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#189761 - 09/02/06 04:02 PM Gas prices
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Is it any coincidence gas prices are dropping with an election looming? If they go up after November there should be an investigation.

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#189762 - 09/02/06 09:44 PM Re: Gas prices
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It will go back up if the Demoncrats get in.
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#189763 - 09/03/06 05:54 PM Re: Gas prices
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It will go back up if the Demoncrats get in.




Be..cause...why?
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#189764 - 09/03/06 06:08 PM Re: Gas prices
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It will go back up if the Demoncrats get in.




Be..cause...why?




Check to see what gas prices are in Democratic areas versus Republican areas. California, New York City, and all the most liberal always have the highest prices. Remember that Al Gore in his book "Earth in the Balance" wanted extortative and arbitrary taxes on gasoline to force reduced consumption.

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#189765 - 09/03/06 06:12 PM Re: Gas prices
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Check to see what gas prices are in Democratic areas versus Republican areas. California, New York City, and all the most liberal always have the highest prices. Remember that Al Gore in his book "Earth in the Balance" wanted extortative and arbitrary taxes on gasoline to force reduced consumption.






you are joking right?
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#189766 - 09/03/06 06:42 PM Re: Gas prices
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Check to see what gas prices are in Democratic areas versus Republican areas. California, New York City, and all the most liberal always have the highest prices. Remember that Al Gore in his book "Earth in the Balance" wanted extortative and arbitrary taxes on gasoline to force reduced consumption.






you are joking right?




Sadly, probably not. Prices are higher in urban areas because that's what the market will sustain. Everything is more expensive in urban areas, except maybe, obscure ingredients at the ethnic grocery...
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#189767 - 09/03/06 06:58 PM Re: Gas prices
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Check to see what gas prices are in Democratic areas versus Republican areas. California, New York City, and all the most liberal always have the highest prices. Remember that Al Gore in his book "Earth in the Balance" wanted extortative and arbitrary taxes on gasoline to force reduced consumption.




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you are joking right?


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Sadly, probably not. Prices are higher in urban areas because that's what the market will sustain. Everything is more expensive in urban areas, except maybe, obscure ingredients at the ethnic grocery...






No i get that...i live in an urban area and know that gas prices are higher, but so are wages. i meant about the way he is somehow blaming it on Democrats lol

if the speculating on oil prices would end that would take at least 20% off the prices and of course Big Oil is making profits never seen before which would be all "free market cool" if BUSHCORP wasnt giving tax breaks and shit to them at the same time!


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#189768 - 09/03/06 07:09 PM Re: Gas prices
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Sorry for the big article:

Buying the GOP Congress Highly Profitable for Oil Companies
Posted by Joe Rospars on April 27, 2006 at 01:08 PM


When people talk about the Republican culture of corruption and the buying and selling of our democracy, a lot of times you think it's just preferential treatment or special access or inflated importance that they buy.

With folks scratching their heads over soaring gas prices and soaring oil profits, it's worth a simple look at the data, which shows that for oil companies, big spending on buying Republican leaders pays off with even bigger giveaways of your taxpayer dollars.

Here's how, courtesy PoliticalMoneyLine.com:


The top ten oil companies reported spending $33,173,092 lobbying the Congress and the Executive branches in 2005.

* ChevronTexaco -- $8,550,000
* ExxonMobil -- $7,140,000
* ConocoPhillips -- $5,098,084
* Marathon -- $4,290,000
* BP -- $2,880,000
* Occidental -- $2,042,177
* Shell -- $1,478,831
* Ashland -- $904,000
* Sunoco -- $540,000
* Anadarko -- $250,000

There's more from the same source:
No Disruption In Flow of Oil Company PAC $

A review of the PACs of the top ten oil companies shows that over $1 million in PAC money continues to flow in the 2005-2006 cycle, through March 31st. These ten oil company PACs gave out a total of $1,092,980 to federal candidates, plus other funds to party committees and leadership PACs. Of the $1,092,980 total, eighty-four per cent ($918,150) went to Republican candidates, and 16% ($174,830) went to Democratic candidates.

The top recipients in 2005-2006 (through 3/31) were Sen. Conrad Burns $39,500; Speaker Dennis Hastert $35,000; Rep. Joe Barton $31,500 (chairman, House Energy and Commerce Committee); Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison $28,250; Rep. Richard Pombo $27,000; Sen. George Allen $26,100; Sen. Craig Thomas $24,000; Rep. Tom DeLay $22,500; Rep. Bill Thomas $20,500; and Rep. James McCrery $20,000. [...]

The top ten oil company PACs giving to Members in 2005-2006 were:

* ExxonMobil giving $265,050 (90% to Republicans)
* ChevronTexaco giving $167,000 (77% to Republicans)
* Occidental $156,590 (89% to Republicans)
* Ashland $102,740 (75% to Republicans)
* Marathon Oil $90,600 (84% to Republicans)
* Sunoco $89,500 (75% to Republicans)
* Anadarko $44,500 (96% to Republicans)
* ConocoPhillips $49,500 (88% to Republicans)
* Shell Oil $29,500 (93% to Republicans)
* BP $64,000 (78% to Republicans)

In addition, these company PACs also gave to party committees and leadership PACs. Marathon's PAC gave $123,500 (103,500 to Republicans). Sunoco's PAC gave $116,000 ($108,500 to Republicans). Ashland's PAC gave $74,000 ($68,000 to Republicans). Anadarko's PAC gave $26,500 (all to Republicans). BP's PAC gave $10,000 ($5,000 to Republicans). Shell's PAC gave $5,000 (all to Republicans). Occidental's PAC gave $5,000 (all to Republicans).

In the last full twenty-four month cycle, 2003-2004, these oil company PACs gave out $2,801,824 to federal candidates, including $2,417,469 (86%) to Republican candidates and $384,355 (14%) to Democratic candidates. In 2003-2004 the top recipients were Rep. Tom Delay $51,675; Sen. Lisa Murkowski $50,000; Sen. Richard Burr $49,500; Rep. Joe Barton $45,000; Sen. Christopher Bond $43,400; Sen. Jim Bunning $38,500; Rep. Barbara Cubin $37,500; Rep. Richard Pombo $ 37,000; Rep. Don Young $37,000; and Sen. James DeMint and Sen. George Voinovich $35,500 each. [...]

In the full 2003-2004 cycle, these ten oil company PACs gave:

* ExxonMobil $728,545 (95% to Republicans)
* Occidental $361,000 (81%)
* ChevronTexaco $350,300 (88%)
* Ashland $306,600 (87%)
* ConocoPhillips $242,000 (88%)
* BP $220,499 (62%)
* Marathon Oil $181,250 (83%)
* Anadarko $178,000 (94%)
* Sunoco $148,630 (80%)
* Shell Oil $85,000 (84%)

The above figures do not include contributions made by officers, employees, or stockholders of the companies.

Now, what did they get for it? A few sweetheart provisions slipped into an energy bill:
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#189769 - 09/03/06 10:50 PM Re: Gas prices
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Registered: 03/22/06
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I think elaborator hit the nail on the head with this-
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if the speculating on oil prices would end that would take at least 20% off the prices..




Blaming Republicans for high gas prices and "control" of the oil industry is a simplistic left wing talking point that has no merit. If Republicans had control of the oil biz they would keep gas prices low to spur on the economy and pimp it politically for all its worth. Politicians are greedy, but not so greedy that they will risk losing their cushy position over oil. Republicans wouldn't have allowed themselves to take it on the chin like they have been recently concerning oil if they truly had control. If Democrats didn't listen to the environmentalist doom and gloomers and block every attempt to drill for oil in Alaska and off shore maybe prices would drop. I love the "war for oil" theory too. If we "occupied" Iraq to "steal" their oil shouldn't oil prices have dropped long ago? Where is all this oil we supposedly went to war for? And using an article by Joe Rospars, Howard Dean's personal media bitch, is like me citing Ann Coulter as a reference, not exactly an impartial source. Anyway, I can't wait for some smart fucker to find a viable alternative energy source so we can stop buying oil from the Middle East and let those fuckers toil in economic despair.


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#189770 - 09/03/06 11:09 PM Re: Gas prices
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Registered: 09/13/05
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Loc: The "Phlogbox", apparently.
Gas prices increase = Bush Conspiracy to gouge the public.

Gas prices drop = Bush Conspiracy to win elections or increase favorability ratings, depending on nearest election cycle.

The paranoiacs get something to whine about either way.

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#189771 - 09/04/06 11:04 AM Re: Gas prices
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Registered: 02/04/05
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It will go back up if the Demoncrats get in.




Be..cause...why?




Check to see what gas prices are in Democratic areas versus Republican areas. California, New York City, and all the most liberal always have the highest prices. Remember that Al Gore in his book "Earth in the Balance" wanted extortative and arbitrary taxes on gasoline to force reduced consumption.




Phlog,

IIRC, New Yawkers pay State taxes on the dollar amount verses a gallon

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#189772 - 09/04/06 10:24 PM Re: Gas prices
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Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
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Check to see what gas prices are in Democratic areas versus Republican areas. California, New York City, and all the most liberal always have the highest prices.




The direct reason their gasoline prices are higher is probably taxes, but also higher transportation costs and fewer suppliers competing. Texas has many refineries to buy from, nearby, where CA has to import much gas from out of state, and I'm not sure where NYC imports its supplies from (by boat from Europe at times!)

Current prices are largely a result of Chinese demand, not something US politicians could easily do anything about. Worse we're starting to see demand from India start to ramp up.

Coal-to-gas, oil shale extraction and other technologies will keep oil from exceeding $80 or so over the long run, but it will take a while for investors to be convinced it's safe to assume oil prices won't fall, and longer still to build large scale production.
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