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#187730 - 08/23/06 12:11 AM
Haley Paige's Affidavit Against Csaba Marton
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Stormy's Lawyer
Registered: 06/26/06
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AFFIDAVIT
Declaration of M***** I**** H****
I, M****** H*****, make oath and declare as follows:
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My name is M***** I**** H*****.
I was born on December 30, 1981 and am a citizen of the United States of America.
I met Csaba Marton, a Hungarian-born citizen, in May 2005 at an adult movie shoot where he worked as a cameraman. He seemed to take a particular liking to me and continued to hire me for more work.
On my third shoot, he asked me out on a date. After three weeks of dating and intimate relations, he brought up the subject of marriage. He asked, “What do you think about marriage? Do you think about getting married? What do you think about us getting married?†At that time I believed I was in love and I had never fallen in love so quickly before. He insisted that he would not judge me for my job, saying, “I don’t care about you doing porn. It’s not a big deal if you do black guys, do gays or gangbangsâ€. I had been depressed since I felt that no one could ever love me if they knew about my occupation. I was prepared to accept his marriage proposal and grew more attracted to him as I began to trust and love him wholeheartedly.
During our period of courtship, I was not aware of Csaba’s illegal alien status as he never gave me any indication of his immigration problems. He persuaded me to believe he was acting on pure love and our relations would have no bearing on his immigration proceedings. He told me that he was famous in Hungary and was in good standing with U.S. immigration. He said he was not an illegal alien and had only a few more months to go before he would receive his greencard.
I accepted his marriage proposal with good faith and sincerely believed we would spend our lives together in every aspect that holy matrimony ordinarily offers. I told my friends I was in love as Csaba treated me like a princess, from the way he spoke to me to how he acted around me. He told me he had never met anymore more beautiful and for the first time in my life, I felt like a teenager in love. However, Csaba told me that I shouldn’t tell anyone we were dating and contemplating marriage. He didn’t want anyone to know about his personal business.
I respected his decision since I wanted to be loved and craved his affection. Growing up, I had never received much love or affection. I was molested by an uncle, which my parents knew about but never did anything. At school, I raped consistently by gang members. As a result of these traumatic experiences, I went into counseling for two months. In addition, my last boyfriend prior to Csaba was verbally, emotionally, mentally and physically abusive, only compounding my psychological distress.
During our dating period, he became very controlling, demanding to know who my friends were and whom I went out with. He did not like my friend Stephanie very much because she saw his possessive characteristics. In turn, he introduced me to his friends, essentially the people in the adult entertainment industry. A select few people knew that I was his girlfriend but most people did not even realize we were dating. I respected his request for privacy even though gossip of our relationship would not have affected our work.
Csaba told me he had been married before to a famous Hungarian singer (Sarolta Zalatnay) and that the marriage ended approximately four to five years ago. He said he had been living in the U.S. for seven years.
When we had dated for about two and a half months, Csaba told me suddenly something had happened and we needed to get married within one month; otherwise, we would have to wait over two years to get married. When I questioned him for specific reasons, he explained it as merely a “timing thingâ€. Getting married would actually be detrimental to his greencard application, he told me, but he was still willing to take that risk and marry me. I had no knowledge of immigration regulations and trusted him wholeheartedly. I had no reason not to trust him since at that time, he had never lied to me (to my knowledge). He asked me to find someone convenient to marry us as soon as possible as he kept saying, “I can’t wait to be your husbandâ€. At that point, I wanted to be his wife and believed that at some time in the near future, we would have a big celebration with family and friends. He instructed me not to tell anyone of our plans since he wanted the big affair to be perceived as the real thing. In addition, he planned to market it as the first pornographic wedding movie. When I did tell my parents and a few close friends, Csaba became extremely upset and ordered me not to tell anyone else.
On October 15, 2005, driving to Santa Monica, Csaba turned to me and said, “Let’s get married right now on the beach. Wouldn’t that be romantic?†I said, “yes†and was extremely happy about his idea. We contacted the Los Angeles marriage office and promptly bought wedding rings. Five hours later, with his cousin Tibor as witness and wearing jeans, sweatshirts and yellow sweats, we were married on Santa Monica beach by Minister Chris Robinson. Pictures of the wedding ceremony were taken by Tibor.
Our marriage was not consummated that evening. Csaba dropped me off at my apartment and told me he still had video editing to work on at his studio. I was devastated since in my mind I felt like this night should have been special. However, I could not say anything since I feared making him upset and angry.
The following day, he arrived at my place with all of his possessions (computer, clothes, dog, desk, DVDs, etc). Since my apartment consists only of 600 sq. feet, he took me to look at houses. Upon deciding on a house, he assured me he had enough money for the down payment. However, later on, he told me he wanted to save more money and buy a better house so we held off from purchasing a larger place.
We had signed a prenuptial agreement one week prior to our marriage to protect our assets. Upon moving into my apartment, Csaba never paid any of the bills. He did loan me money on two occasions to help with rent but I paid him back promptly. He said he was struggling with finances as he was still in debt and paying for his car. However, I genuinely believed our relationship was moving along as well as could be expected.
At this time, I was suffering from an addiction to painkillers that my doctor had prescribed. Csaba knew about my addiction and began giving me painkillers to keep my withdrawal symptoms away. I was taking painkillers to numb myself for video shoots and I did not know how to treat my addiction. Csaba told me that one of his friends had died from a painkiller overdose and he was now concerned about me.
The night before Thanksgiving, on November 23, 2005, Csaba met with a painkiller doctor/specialist and returned home to tell me that the doctor thought it would be better if I recover from my addiction alone. I was completed shocked and devastated at this announcement. One hour prior to this, with his knowledge, I had made plans to visit my mother and her new boyfriend for the first time to celebrate Thanksgiving in San Diego. He began moving most of his belongings out of the apartment that night and finished the day after while I was at work. We had lived together as a married couple for only a little more than a month before he announced his decision to move out.
During this time we had minimal contact and no intimate relations. I followed through with my sobriety plans in his absence. I wanted to be with him but he constantly excused himself as “unavailableâ€. I began to feel that he did not want me to sober up so that he would always have a reason to stay away and be able to make me feel guilty. He told me he had moved to his studios while we were separated.
I made plans for Christmas day in that he would come to my place and celebrate with since I did not think he had family in the area. I bought presents and wrapped them under the tree in anticipation of his visit. However, he did not show up and or even call for the week following Christmas. A week later, in January 2006, Csaba called to say that he was staying with his stepbrother Gabor who was going through a divorce. He explained Gabor was depressed and they had gone to Vegas for a week.
In February 2006, Csaba told me that we had to go to the INS for the “little interviewâ€. He put on his best behavior during this time, asking for us to hang out and be friends again. He asked me, “Can I do anything for you? Let’s hang out and be palsâ€. However, there was still no intimacy between us. We have not shared a common residence since November 23, 2005 when Csaba moved out.
At that time, I was in denial and still hoped our marriage would be able to work. I was too scared to confront the truth as I was already emotionally and mentally devastated by his absence. I needed denial to stay sober as I struggled both with my addiction and my marriage. During my state of emotional distress and vulnerability, I was deceived by his many promises of reconciliation as he led me to believe that we may be able to save our marriage. With this falsehood, Csaba coerced me to agree to accompany him to his INS interview. At that time, I still held faith in our marital relations and believed our marriage continued to stand on authentic grounds of love and commitment.
We met with an attorney named Bernard Lurie a few weeks prior to the interview to be advised on what documents we needed. The lawyer said the immigration officials would not ask me any questions.
Prior to the interview date, Csaba called me while crying that he needed my help with taking more realistic wedding photos. Believing this would be an opportunity to spend time together and rekindle our love, I went along with his idea. I wanted to do everything right so he would love me again. The pictures were taken by his friend Kenny, depicting us in more traditional wedding garb from the waist up. We wore jeans which were not shown in the photos and I donned a fake “wedding veil†purchased from a costume store. We also took a picture at a nearby Starbucks where Csaba pretended to know someone at the restaurant Jerry’s Deli and persuaded this “friend†to take a picture with us “newlywedsâ€. He wanted to use this picture as evidence that he was introducing me to his friends as his wife.
I was persuaded to remain silent on the above matter as he convinced me I would face grave legal consequences if his interview did not proceed well since I was bound to him by marital relations. I had no knowledge of immigration regulations and feared his threats to be true.
The interview took place in February or March 2006 and we were accompanied by our lawyer. At the interview, Csaba brought our marriage certificate, joint bill, joint bank statement (Washington Mutual), photo album with the fake photos mentioned above, false wedding announcement cards, and false congratulation cards.
After the interview, I did not hear from Csaba for a month. I had been sober for almost six months by that time; yet he showed no intentions of resuming our relationship. Realizing that he was not returning, I was very upset and called him in mid-April to ask if our relationship was strictly for his immigration purposes. He replied, “I never lied to you. I have documents to prove that I was a legal citizen and that by marrying you, it made me harder to stay in the countryâ€. I asked for copies of the documents but he refused to hand them over to me. Instead, Csaba offered me money if I would not seek divorce and keep silent on his immigration matters. I refused his monetary offer and since then, we have not had any contact or direct communication.
I have only now began to realize that my marriage was a complete sham, initiated and planned by Csaba solely for his immigration purposes. He never had any intention of staying in the marriage and saw our relations solely as a means to procure a permanent residency. There was no marital faithfulness as during our relationship, he secretly kept in contact with his previous Hungarian-born girlfriend who had obtained her own permanent residency through marriage to a U.S. citizen. Unbeknownst to me, Csaba designed our relationship to culminate in marriage and ultimately, his attainment of permanent residency in the U.S. In retrospect, I am greatly distressed by the manner in which I have been deceived and lied to.
I now realize the extreme depths to which my marriage was based on fraud and deception. My husband was never the person he portrayed himself to be as he lied about his immigration status and his Hungarian ties. I learned recently through an article printed on Transition Online, a European news website, that my husband was charged with fraud alongside his ex-wife in Hungary. The article states that he moved out to Los Angeles and in 2002, informed Hungarian authorities that he had a “medical condition†preventing him from returning to his home country to stand trial. From the day I met Csaba, he has never mentioned this part of his past as he gave all indications of a clean record. He never discussed this as a possible reason for his urgency to obtain permanent residency in the United States.
I am submitting to the U.S. Immigration Services this affidavit and supporting documentation for proper investigation in the validity of Csaba’s greencard. As painful as the experience has been for me, I realize this is no mere marital dispute or dissolution of marriage. Rather, in light of the fact that Csaba designed this marriage from the onset to obtain his permanent residency, his actions would constitute a serious violation of U.S. immigration and criminal laws.
I am deeply distressed that I was unknowingly exploited by my husband for my U.S. citizenship status. Nevertheless, I still firmly believe in the principles and values of the United States and feel bound by my duties as an American citizen to present this before the proper authorities for investigative action.
I, M****** H****, hereby declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States of America that the foregoing contents of this affidavit are true and correct to the best of my knowledge, information and belief.
ed: removed the real names
Edited by TonyMalice (08/24/06 08:08 AM)
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#187734 - 08/23/06 01:05 PM
Re: Haley Paige's Affidavit Against Csaba Marton
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 11/01/05
Posts: 537
Loc: Holly Randall's garden
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I was molested by an uncle, which my parents knew about but never did anything. At school, I (was) raped consistently by gang members.
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#187737 - 08/23/06 11:05 PM
Re: Haley Paige's Affidavit Against Csaba Marton
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
Posts: 10321
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WTF is this affadavit for anyway? Divorce? Immigration? 
That's my question, too. In what type of action or under what kind of circumstances would this be elicited?
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#187738 - 08/23/06 11:09 PM
Re: Haley Paige's Affidavit Against Csaba Marton
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 04/21/03
Posts: 675
Loc: Belgrade
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#187741 - 08/24/06 05:34 PM
Re: Haley Paige's Affidavit Against Csaba Marton
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/26/03
Posts: 8160
Loc: Roma, Repubblica Italiana
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#187742 - 08/26/06 07:31 AM
Re: Haley Paige's Affidavit Against Csaba Marton
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 02/28/06
Posts: 137
Loc: california
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I am submitting to the U.S. Immigration Services this affidavit and supporting documentation for proper investigation in the validity of Csaba’s greencard.
In this instance it would be for federal immigration proceedings. When circumstances suggest that someone entered into a fraudulent marriage for the purpose of obtaining a green card and (eventual) citizenship, an investigation will occur.
It could also be family law proceedings. In this situation, one may want to seek an annulment, rather than a dissolution since the "marriage" was a sham to begin with. It would be directly relevant to community property, support and attorney fees issues.
For future reference, if it was a state action, the person would declare to be telling the truth under the "laws of the State of California" (or whatever state the declaration was being filed in). Family law matters are state matters. Immigration is handled in Federal courts.
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#187743 - 08/26/06 12:19 PM
Re: Haley Paige's Affidavit Against Csaba Marton
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 02/23/05
Posts: 3724
Loc: Paddling my canoe in the wild
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It appears she's trying to get his green card cancelled.
If INS had launched an investigation, she likely wouldn't need to swear out an affidavit like this. I would suggest she is trying to get them to OPEN an investigation.
Intersting that she's so pissed about a guy courting her and not fucking her, than about gangs of guys fucking her and NOT COURTING HER.
Where's the affidavit for the child molestion against sick fuck uncle or the rapists whom she likely knows, since she was REPEATEDLY raped!?!?!?
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#187744 - 08/26/06 03:22 PM
Re: Haley Paige's Affidavit Against Csaba Marton
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Human Garbage
Registered: 09/13/05
Posts: 1594
Loc: The "Phlogbox", apparently.
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Declaration of M***** I**** H****
And so begins the guessing game...Mariah Ilana House?
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#187747 - 08/27/06 03:47 AM
Re: Haley Paige's Affidavit Against Csaba Marton
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Human Garbage
Registered: 09/13/05
Posts: 1594
Loc: The "Phlogbox", apparently.
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Declaration of M***** I**** H****
And so begins the guessing game...Mariah Ilana House?
If you got here before it became edited you wouldn' t have to guess.
I need to spend more time here apparently. I miss things like this otherwise. Marcia Ilene Haney?
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#187749 - 08/27/06 10:17 AM
Re: Haley Paige's Affidavit Against Csaba Marton
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/20/05
Posts: 9181
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Yup, I saw it before it got starred out...however, if it's on the document, it's a matter of public record anyways... 
Well, not always. But who really cares? I am used to my porn whore names, therefore it's much easier to wax my bat to "Haley Paige" than "Matilda Ilona Hoffenstein." 
/s/ Willie "cock sucking maggot infested NIGGER coonshit head" D
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#187752 - 08/28/06 10:40 AM
Re: Haley Paige's Affidavit Against Csaba Marton
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 10/29/03
Posts: 9489
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Since you assholes focused on all the wrong shit in that affadavit, Haley sent me this message to post:
first of all, the reason my uncle isnt in jail is because he died of alcohol poisoning, im sure it comes as no shock that he was an alcoholic for as long as anybody in my family knew him. the reason my parents never did anything about it was because he and my aunt providied a home for us when we were broke, which was often. to this day, my aunt doesnt know what went on under her own roof. as for my paernts, i dont understand why, but i guess they felt desperate and figured not having a roof over my head was worse than being molested. when i was raped by a gang member and his buddies, it was at gunpoint, and i know this is coming from a whore who no one really cares all that much about, but i just thought i should set the record straight.
-h
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#187753 - 08/28/06 11:06 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/25/04
Posts: 8662
Loc: In a k1ng like state of medioc...
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Since you assholes focused on all the wrong shit in that affadavit, Haley sent me this message to post:
first of all, the reason my uncle isnt in jail is because he died of alcohol poisoning, im sure it comes as no shock that he was an alcoholic for as long as anybody in my family knew him. the reason my parents never did anything about it was because he and my aunt providied a home for us when we were broke, which was often. to this day, my aunt doesnt know what went on under her own roof. as for my paernts, i dont understand why, but i guess they felt desperate and figured not having a roof over my head was worse than being molested. when i was raped by a gang member and his buddies, it was at gunpoint, and i know this is coming from a whore who no one really cares all that much about, but i just thought i should set the record straight.
-h
God sometimes sends us messages on paths to take in life, in this case with her pro incest molesting uncle, gang member rapes, addictive nature with drugs, black boyfriends who fuck her but don't want to be seen in public with her, luring her to befriend kami andrews and so on he might be pointing you in the direction of a fenceless cliff ledge.
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#187755 - 08/28/06 04:02 PM
Re: Haley Paige's Affidavit Against Csaba Marton
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Demon Spawn
Registered: 08/25/06
Posts: 3018
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Since you assholes focused on all the wrong shit in that affadavit, Haley sent me this message to post:
first of all, the reason my uncle isnt in jail is because he died of alcohol poisoning, im sure it comes as no shock that he was an alcoholic for as long as anybody in my family knew him. the reason my parents never did anything about it was because he and my aunt providied a home for us when we were broke, which was often. to this day, my aunt doesnt know what went on under her own roof. as for my paernts, i dont understand why, but i guess they felt desperate and figured not having a roof over my head was worse than being molested. when i was raped by a gang member and his buddies, it was at gunpoint, and i know this is coming from a whore who no one really cares all that much about, but i just thought i should set the record straight.
-h
You'd be wise to stay in the pornography reviewing section, were whatever limited charm you have has appropriate venue to shine. You just seem stupid and sleazy in this mode. I'd advise you to take lessons from the resident Injun, but they'd be wasted upon you.
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#187757 - 08/28/06 08:48 PM
Re: Haley Paige's Affidavit Against Csaba Marton
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 08/12/06
Posts: 76
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Biggest meltdown ever.
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Hey Jeff, isn't there anything that you can do for Haley and the countless little girl losts in the industry.
I hear that a realistic re-enactment can sometimes provide some catharsis to these victims of abuse. Something along the lines of facing your fears until you're no longer haunted by your past trauma. Recreating the molestation by her uncle and the raping of Haley by Chico and his gang buddies.
"Jeff Steward's True Hollywood Stories"
That would be awesome, its a win, win. Closure for the girls and excellent stroke material for your legion of loyal pervs. Legion, for we are many.
THAT SHIT WOULD SELL!!!
PS- Chico, stop trying to sell me oranges off of the 105 onramp, I already got a lot!
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#187758 - 08/28/06 10:23 PM
Re: Haley Paige's Affidavit Against Csaba Marton
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
Registered: 10/09/04
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Hey Jeff, isn't there anything that you can do for Haley and the countless little girl losts in the industry.
Among the non-sociopathic minority of men involved in the world of whores, there can't be many who haven't at some point had the thought of "saving" one. Every once in a while she catches your eye, the "little girl lost" as you so aptly put it, who seems out of her depth amongst the hardened pros, and worth so much more. But more fool you if you try, for you will only have to watch as time and again she returns to the the things that are damaging her. And god forbid you become emotionally involved, because she will rip your heart out in the blink of an eye. When reality finally dawns, you realise that they all started off as "little girl losts" - the hardened whores have just been at it for longer - and there's no helping those that won't help themselves. Then one too many contradictory sob stories makes you finally appreciate the truth of the statement "whores lie".
Learning this lesson the hard way tends to breed just a teensy bit of cynicism, which might account for the hard-hearted nature of some of these replies. In the final analysis, what is there to say about a girl who claims to be traumatised by sexual abuse in childhood, yet voluntarily submitted herself to the debasement of porn? A girl who claims depression at the prospect of being alone and unloved because of her work, but can't join the dots and realise that the answer is to get out of it as soon as possible? A wife who was fucking other guys all the time, but then shocked to discover that her marriage is a sham? Yes, Del Toro is a scumbag, but ultimately it was her life decision to immerse herself in this world of scumbags. Only she can make the decision to get out.
So in summary, your re-enactment idea sounds good to me.
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#187759 - 08/29/06 07:36 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/02/05
Posts: 5750
Loc: ATLANTIC CITY
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Hey Jeff, isn't there anything that you can do for Haley and the countless little girl losts in the industry.
Among the non-sociopathic minority of men involved in the world of whores, there can't be many who haven't at some point had the thought of "saving" one. Every once in a while she catches your eye, the "little girl lost" as you so aptly put it, who seems out of her depth amongst the hardened pros, and worth so much more. But more fool you if you try, for you will only have to watch as time and again she returns to the the things that are damaging her. And god forbid you become emotionally involved, because she will rip your heart out in the blink of an eye. When reality finally dawns, you realise that they all started off as "little girl losts" - the hardened whores have just been at it for longer - and there's no helping those that won't help themselves. Then one too many contradictory sob stories makes you finally appreciate the truth of the statement "whores lie".
Learning this lesson the hard way tends to breed just a teensy bit of cynicism, which might account for the hard-hearted nature of some of these replies. In the final analysis, what is there to say about a girl who claims to be traumatised by sexual abuse in childhood, yet voluntarily submitted herself to the debasement of porn? A girl who claims depression at the prospect of being alone and unloved because of her work, but can't join the dots and realise that the answer is to get out of it as soon as possible? A wife who was fucking other guys all the time, but then shocked to discover that her marriage is a sham? Yes, Del Toro is a scumbag, but ultimately it was her life decision to immerse herself in this world of scumbags. Only she can make the decision to get out.
So in summary, your re-enactment idea sounds good to me.
Outstanding post...As I approach my 39th Birthday, I reflect upon this all too common bullshit excuse used by Strippers, Escorts and porn chicks, that they are what they are NOW because of their upbringing. They do drugs now because of the pain they remember from shit that happened when they were 7 years old, give or take 5 to 7 years either way.
I do not contest the awfulness or unfairness of childhood abuse or trauma, I had my share. It does not constitute a license to do what thou wilt later in life, damn the consequences.
I want honesty...like I can freely admit I get trashed/stoned/bombed now because, well, I am bored, and every now and then its actually fun. Mostly not, but still...
Point is, GET OVER IT. The past is the PAST...its HISTORY, not an excuse.
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#187761 - 08/29/06 09:01 AM
Re: Haley Paige's Affidavit Against Csaba Marton
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 11/01/05
Posts: 537
Loc: Holly Randall's garden
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when i was raped by a gang member and his buddies, it was at gunpoint,
You had said before you were consistently raped by these gang members --- why did you go back again after the first time?? did they have really good weed or something? 
PS - Where did the gang members cum?
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#187764 - 08/29/06 11:04 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 06/30/06
Posts: 62
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You people ask the stupidest questions and have the dumbest advice.
The irony of this statement is profound. 
The stupidity of your statement is profound.
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#187765 - 08/29/06 11:07 AM
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Registered: 07/23/04
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#187766 - 08/29/06 11:19 AM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 02/23/05
Posts: 3724
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#187767 - 08/29/06 11:22 AM
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#187768 - 08/29/06 03:52 PM
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Demon Spawn
Registered: 08/25/06
Posts: 3018
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Among the non-sociopathic minority of men involved in the world of whores, there can't be many who haven't at some point had the thought of "saving" one. Every once in a while she catches your eye, the "little girl lost" as you so aptly put it, who seems out of her depth amongst the hardened pros, and worth so much more. But more fool you if you try, for you will only have to watch as time and again she returns to the the things that are damaging her. And god forbid you become emotionally involved, because she will rip your heart out in the blink of an eye. When reality finally dawns, you realise that they all started off as "little girl losts" - the hardened whores have just been at it for longer - and there's no helping those that won't help themselves. Then one too many contradictory sob stories makes you finally appreciate the truth of the statement "whores lie".
Learning this lesson the hard way tends to breed just a teensy bit of cynicism, which might account for the hard-hearted nature of some of these replies. In the final analysis, what is there to say about a girl who claims to be traumatised by sexual abuse in childhood, yet voluntarily submitted herself to the debasement of porn? A girl who claims depression at the prospect of being alone and unloved because of her work, but can't join the dots and realise that the answer is to get out of it as soon as possible? A wife who was fucking other guys all the time, but then shocked to discover that her marriage is a sham? Yes, Del Toro is a scumbag, but ultimately it was her life decision to immerse herself in this world of scumbags. Only she can make the decision to get out.
So in summary, your re-enactment idea sounds good to me.
This is a wonderfully worded statement that has fine mind working behind it, but it is the the typical pure hogwash. The world is in the mess it is in currently due to the proliferation of this cretinous brand of studied myopia. The issue and the useful "truism" here is not the doors clanging authoritatively shut of the "whores lie", sir. It is the distant horizon and the gaping chasm of whores making one lie to one's self, sir.
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#187769 - 08/29/06 04:17 PM
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Hailey, I hope you are getting some therapy for everythng you've been through.
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#187770 - 08/29/06 04:32 PM
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This is a wonderfully worded statement that has fine mind working behind it, but it is the the typical pure hogwash. The world is in the mess it is in currently due to the proliferation of this cretinous brand of studied myopia. The issue and the useful "truism" here is not the doors clanging authoritatively shut of the "whores lie", sir. It is the distant horizon and the gaping chasm of whores making one lie to one's self, sir.
I appreciate the critique, and must resist the temptation to simply bow to the authority of a more studied mind than mine, for I seek further insight. Are you saying, perhaps, that such dissillusionment is merely a convenient justification; an excuse to indulge an inner mysogyny that was just waiting for release? This would be difficult for me to assimilate; every fibre of my being genuinely wishes for a different outcome to these situations, I'm simply jaded to the point of surrender. Or have I inferred too much from your deliberately vague statement, perhaps revealing something about myself?
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#187771 - 08/30/06 12:45 AM
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Outstanding post...As I approach my 39th Birthday, I reflect upon this all too common bullshit excuse used by Strippers, Escorts and porn chicks, that they are what they are NOW because of their upbringing. They do drugs now because of the pain they remember from shit that happened when they were 7 years old, give or take 5 to 7 years either way.
I do not contest the awfulness or unfairness of childhood abuse or trauma, I had my share. It does not constitute a license to do what thou wilt later in life, damn the consequences.
I want honesty...like I can freely admit I get trashed/stoned/bombed now because, well, I am bored, and every now and then its actually fun. Mostly not, but still...
Point is, GET OVER IT. The past is the PAST...its HISTORY, not an excuse.
Bullshit, you get stoned and hammered because your legs are as stable as slinkys and its depressing for you (im sure) but at least that was god fucking you over instead of another human being that you face everyday, truth is unless you have been raped then you don't know how you'd handle it especially as a child when the world still seems like a great place.
If you are made to feel like a worthless fuck object from day one then its what you grow up to believe you are, case in point ryan knox.
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#187773 - 08/30/06 08:30 AM
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Bullshit, you get stoned and hammered because your legs are as stable as slinkys and its depressing for you (im sure) but at least that was god fucking you over instead of another human being that you face everyday, truth is unless you have been raped then you don't know how you'd handle it especially as a child when the world still seems like a great place.
If you are made to feel like a worthless fuck object from day one then its what you grow up to believe you are, case in point ryan knox.
1) There is no God, Or Devil. You are ample proof of that, no benevolent deity would allow someone like you (or pol pot, Hitler, Dahmer, Donald Trump or Michael Jackson etc etc) to exist...and a Devil wouldnt tolerate the competition.
Life is Unfair, this mudball we live on is Entropy tempered with survival instincts tuned through millenia of fuckups amongst higher life forms...
2) Sure I'm depressed, what the hell is so remarkable about that? Even still, I am better off than 99.89% of the earth's population, depending on how the Dow Closes today. I am also more intelligent, better looking, and yes, even stronger than you (from the waist up)...sit next to me for 10 seconds and I will ease your passing.
3) Ryan Knox was Loved as a child and young adult, it's obvious. He just tasted Meth at a young age and BOOM, certain lights were extinguished, others were lit and voila, it's green lesbian tea and crumpets for brunch.
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#187774 - 08/30/06 09:13 PM
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My point is simply that girls with low self esteem generally refuse to hook up with men who would value them and try to help them feel better about themselves. Instead they gravitate towards those who will use them and lead them into further self-destructive behavior. Then they whine and whine about their poor little selves. And those of us who have been burned before get fed up with hearing it.
Thats true. Its no accident that they are always finding themselves in relationships with assholes because when you have been a victim then its easier to keep putting yourself in that position rather then being with someone who loves you and wants to treat you right as that means you have to resolve your previous problems, open your heart and let your guard down for this person, its a lot easier to be guarded and fuck a scum bag then to address your issues, overcome them and start clean with a good guy.
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1) There is no God, Or Devil. You are ample proof of that, no benevolent deity would allow someone like you (or pol pot, Hitler, Dahmer, Donald Trump or Michael Jackson etc etc) to exist...and a Devil wouldnt tolerate the competition.
i sit on the other side of the fence and strongly believe there is a god when people like mark wallice and lara roxx have aids and you need the assistance of a chair with wheels to get around.
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even stronger than you (from the waist up)...sit next to me for 10 seconds and I will ease your passing
Ive watched nature shows, id treat you the same way people do snakes, if i stay at the back of you i can beat you, as i can move faster then you can wheel a 360, or i could stick a pole in your spokes and have free will to attack you from behind, ive given this some thought, can you tell?.
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#187775 - 08/31/06 01:42 AM
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My point is simply that girls with low self esteem generally refuse to hook up with men who would value them and try to help them feel better about themselves. Instead they gravitate towards those who will use them and lead them into further self-destructive behavior. Then they whine and whine about their poor little selves. And those of us who have been burned before get fed up with hearing it.
Thats true. Its no accident that they are always finding themselves in relationships with assholes because when you have been a victim then its easier to keep putting yourself in that position rather then being with someone who loves you and wants to treat you right as that means you have to resolve your previous problems, open your heart and let your guard down for this person, its a lot easier to be guarded and fuck a scum bag then to address your issues, overcome them and start clean with a good guy.
This part I agree with completely. Ivor alludes to it when he nonspecifically states "those of us who have been burned..." Fact is, most non-sociopathic men have been duped by a damaged/borderline chick at one time or another, the exception to the sociopath conditional being Monkey of course, back when he lent Genesis Skye 600 bucks and she disappeared like Tunafish up Kyoto's asshole. Fact is, I never ever gave Hailey Young anything, NOTHING, NADA ZIP: No money, No Pills, No Dick....zero. All she got was a curious George Doll and some of my time, which I do value since it is my most valuable possession, but still...What did you expect from Genesis Monkey, and Dont tell me "Simple Interest"
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i sit on the other side of the fence and strongly believe there is a god when people like mark wallice and lara roxx have aids and you need the assistance of a chair with wheels to get around.
You are like one of those kids who used to stick his tongue out at the other kids while hiding behind his mother's skirt (fake moniker "Smelly Monkey" = Mother's Skirt) This point, yet another example of your reckless hatred, really only proves my inherent superiority, if it is infact true, which it is not. A wheelchair in and of itself is a small price to pay for everything else in MY life...granted I have taken the wheelchair and made it as much of an asset as anything. I shudder to think what God has in store for you...I hope it is for you to become so jaded and bored with heterosexual purstuits that by the time you are 50 you're blowing troop 181 of the Chatsworth Cub Scouts, and a 67 year old Luke Ford interviews you in your arraignment Orange prison jumps, complete with a picture.
But what of Hailey Paige Then? How is her lot in life reconciled with a Almighty God inviting Crack Pipe Toting 8 trey Gangster Crips over to her Uncle's house everynight for 2 years to play parchesi while they excavate her bunghole? 'Splain that please...
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Ive watched nature shows, id treat you the same way people do snakes, if i stay at the back of you i can beat you, as i can move faster then you can wheel a 360, or i could stick a pole in your spokes and have free will to attack you from behind, ive given this some thought, can you tell?.
....I always had you pegged for that obnoxious, vapid Australian turd who likes to put his infant children in front of venomous snakes and half starved Crocodiles 280 miles from the nearest health care facility. So here's what we are going to do....Friday Morning of the upcoming AEE, meet me in front of the Extreme Associates Booth and we'll see if you can do what you think you can. Even if I lose I win, but what the hell. And since I know who you are, dont try sending a recently cut offensive lineman from North Dakota State who you taught to grunt the words "Me Smelly Monkey...."
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#187776 - 08/31/06 04:41 AM
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#187778 - 08/31/06 08:47 AM
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I never thought I'd be so moved by a man named Smelly Monkey.
I, too, was touched by Smelly Monkey and Ivor. I'm filing charges tomorrow. 
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#187779 - 08/31/06 09:45 AM
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Monkey of course, back when he lent Genesis Skye 600 bucks
did you hear that marc wallice died? chicos doing gay porn now and ive adopted sammura's kids.
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This point, yet another example of your reckless hatred
Ohh no this ones controlled, believe me
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A wheelchair in and of itself is a small price to pay for everything else in MY life...granted I have taken the wheelchair and made it as much of an asset as anything
Who you trying to convince here , me or you?. You did manage to convince my penis to get hard over this though.
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I shudder to think what God has in store for you...I hope it is for you to become so jaded and bored with heterosexual purstuits that by the time you are 50 you're blowing troop 181 of the Chatsworth Cub Scouts, and a 67 year old Luke Ford interviews you in your arraignment Orange prison jumps, complete with a picture.
Hopefully when i reach that age i'll have enough money to buy myself out of any jail time no matter how harsh the crime (which right now looks like a double murder of porn gossip/porn board mod todd hunter aka snake in the grass and a alcoholic irish cripple).
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So here's what we are going to do....Friday Morning of the upcoming AEE, meet me in front of the Extreme Associates Booth and we'll see if you can do what you think you can. Even if I lose I win, but what the hell. And since I know who you are, dont try sending a recently cut offensive lineman from North Dakota State who you taught to grunt the words "Me Smelly Monkey
LOL its been suchhhhhhhhh a long time since ive been challenged to a fight on this board, god who was the last one? I think it was sammura or chico, you are now in proud company. Im sick enough to do it too (god we need a wheelchair gremlin)
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All of the above notwithstanding, what's the upside of Monkey, or any biped, accepting a challenge to fight a fella in a chair. Best case scenario: you earn a reputation for beating up cripples Worst case scenario: you earn a reputation for getting beating up by cripples
I can't see how even the most steroid-enraged meatpuppet could accept that challenge. Good effort though
Maybe we could make it a charitable affair with all proceeds going to 'the chet anuszek, opps im a selfish fuck who left me family broke foundation'
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I never thought I'd be so moved by a man named Smelly Monkey.
no hard evidence as to what my sex is.
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I, too, was touched by Smelly Monkey and Ivor. I'm filing charges tomorrow.
I have a big heart (like chet) otherwise how else would i get my ukrainian order bride to stay with me well after the time she can legally acquire half my stuff through a divorce.
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