It's Fucking messing with my brain but, in a extension of the principle ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, it just dawned on me, that all of us were at one point mere pussy creampies.


How fucked up is that? I mean I have watched several volumes now of 5 guy Cream Pie and I cant fucking get over it...those were actual, potential members of the human race that just flashed across my screen before the self-centered socipathic porn skanks pushed them out and said "Oh its so warm, can you see the cum ooze out of my pussy? You like that...?" FUCKING Bitch, that could have been the next Ludwig Von Beethoven, or Jonas Salk, or Larry King you just cunt-farted all over Rod Fontanna's Futon...

Get the dustpan, quick!

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that could have been the next Ludwig Von Beethoven, or Jonas Salk, or Larry King you just cunt-farted all over Rod Fontanna's Futon

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More like the next Dahmer or Bundy... but hey its all good.

Ghost, you've just summed up one of the central themes of Pope John Paul II's Humanae Vitae. Are you experiencing Catholic guilt? It's a feeling I know all too well.

Same here - hence my lack of posting

Not necessarily... some of us are pre-cum baby rejects to the world. Never intended but I guess meant to be.

it's probably an example of greedy reductionism to break things down to fluids being created equal. a bottle of 78 montrachet isn't the same beast as the boone's consumed by swami and other homeless men. jizz has been commodified in the same way by sperm banks-if you're too short, didn't attend college or use drugs your sperm is essentially worthless.

ryan knox's semen=worthless save for decrorative purposes at bukkakes. the fluid that concieved wankus would be valued the same as warm mad dog 20/20 with a butt put out in it, all things relative.

"Every Sperm Is Sacred", Lyrics by Michael Palin and Terry Jones.

There are Jews in the world, there are Buddists,
There are Hindus and Mormons and then
There are those that follow Mohammad, but
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six footer,
You don't have to have a great brain,
You don't have to have any clothes on,
You're a Catholic the moment Dad came, because

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs,
On the dusty ground,
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Hindu, Taoist, Morman,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is useful,
Every sperm is fine,
God needs everybody's,
Mine, and mine, and mine.

Let the pagans spill theirs,
O'er mountain, hill and plain.
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

bullshit, you're using an ad-hoc example to support a completely environmental position on development?



even stuff like criminality is INTERACTIONAL-meaning you have to combine nurture with heritability of a certain genetic expression.

meaning antisocial behavior is partially-heritable and someone with a high value for the genetic part of the phenotypic equation will pass it on to offspring. porn actors go to jail and do drugs at an elevated rate and social determinism can't explain everything.

so their cum is full of crime.

stuff like intelligence is between 40-80% heritable-there's no getting away from that no matter how many gerald ford examples you can find.

the intelligence of the guy doing the creampie dramatically affects the potential intelligence of the kid. if john strong fathers a child, you'd STILL end up with an adult of average intelligence at best no matter how perfect an environment for learning you created. take e.o. wilson's jizz and put it in the same ideal environment and you're going to end up with a smarter kid. that simple, some sperm is more valuable than other sperm.

gerald ford isn't even an example of an exceptionally smart or capable person. he was a good football player. that got him into michigan and made him appeal to joe sixpack as a politician just like reagan's sitcoms did. the presidency is based on relating to the lowest-common denominator as much as anything-name the last president to do anything exceptional in a results-based capacity in the private sector.
yes, one's environment is a major factor in the expression of phenotypes like religion/what language you speak. and after those two examples, it can't explain ANYTHING by itself.

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Funny thing about sperm banks is that only college grads unable to co-op and get a real job donate to them. Any dumbass can get a postsecondary education. I think it would be great if only hardened criminals in prison could give sperm to dikes.

No. Even EO makes bad sperm...there is a randomness to life that you cannot ignore. EO's kids, if he were to have any, could fuck up ten times worse than the average schmucks brood but because they are EO's kids, and access to all that that entails and implies, including being caught by the HARVARD campus Police smoking crack behind a dumpster off Mt Auburn instead of hardened Boston Gestapo, they dont get arrested or institutionalized until they fuck up 15 more times, if they do. They can still skirt the societal edge and wind up completely useless, corrupt and a total waste of space, but it is because of EO, his life and circumstances and not his sperm that they ultimately dont appear as FUCKED as Genesis Pork Chops Skye or Lain "thats not Meth, that's Heroin so its all ok" OI. For all we know Lain and Genesis could have been the offspring of Warren Buffet and one of the Coca Cola Spokes Models from the early 1980s.

potential intelligence is like anything else prefixed with potential....pointless until realized. To borrow the phrase of Gordon Gekko "Most of these Harvard MBA Types dont add up to dog shit. Give me a guy who is Poor, smart and hungry." Notice he said MOST...some are not dog shit. Notice he also said smart...some of the most brilliant people I know went to Harvard with me, but I know MORE brilliant people outside of Harvard. In fact the two smartest people I probably ever met never went to college....Me personally, I have seen enough success and failure of all types and all strata to know it's a pointless exercise to try and predict. I once managed a sales force of 38: 20 were four year degrees, 5 MBAs, 13 Hustlers (no college just ethic and chutzpah...and smart). the top 10 had 6 of the 13 hustlers, the top 20 had 10 of them. And we were not selling Blister Packaged Dildos or Liquor.

We really dont know HOW many of today's porn stars come from apparent decent breeding or upbringings (lets say Middle class and up.) Try and explain Gia....you recently said yourself in a backhand reference about pornstars who skipped caltech because they like sex. The sad, uncomfortable truth, which I experience everyday when i wake up and brush my teeth and look in the mirror, is that some of the most corrupt, debauched, venal people I personally know all remember Neil Rudenstine had putrid breath and Archie Epps liked Hostess Cheese Danishes purchased at the Store 24. Like someone just sang for the 28th time on XPT in the last 3 months, "EVERY SPERM IS SACRED"....although I will give you John Strong, the man is a moral pygmy and ruins every porn scene he is in with his "Yeahhhhh Baby....you like that?" rhetorical bulshit. Someone should shoot him in the balls with a tranquilizer dart gun.

nah, the randomness is pretty well accounted for(additive variance, etc.) unless EO's kids ate lead paint or he married a woman with an IQ of 56 or something. i'm the offspring of a harvard mba and i do ok. most people i grew up with that had two smart parents ended up smart and functional, much more so than the kids who had a smart dad and dumb trophy-wife and ended up at places like trinity or conn-college.

why does that matter? a person with a 90 or below is 75 times less-likely to finish highschool, around 15 times more likely to stay on welfare and roughly ten times as likely to face incarceration than someone with above 120.

2 parents over 120 reliably have kids above 120, parents below 100 rarely produce offspring that breaks 100.

so something that correlates highly with level of academic and economic achievement is also a heritable trait. take every way of measuring intelligence and take the highest-order common factor and you've got g. g's heritable and highly so and it's undoubtedly biological as it coordinates with shit like prefrontal lobe size.

so basically, the major thing they're testing your IQ for is heritable to the tune of 0.5.low values LIMIT success at complex tasks and there's almost nothing that environmentally can alter your glass ceiling. of course, you can be smart and lazy and drop out into poverty, but you're not going to be limited the same way.

addendum about the sales force-sales is the only white collar job requiring only social intelligence. my mom basically decides to hire someone for sales/brokerage based on how attractive they are and whether they're likable. some of them break a million a year doing it, but they're still employees that live and die by commision with marginal understanding of how the numbers and operation of what's going on. i don't get why you'd get a fancy mba and do sales, but the degree is starting to get meaningless and i decided if you can get a master's at night school in a subject i should probably find something different and ended up making more than the average dude out of wharton by the age i would have been applying.

ok, so i hate anyone that tries to sell things. i'm biased. but the internet means i can avoid interacting with people trying to sell me anything. there are way too few people actually making shit or doing shit in relation to people who market/sell shit or push paper in america right now. the longer i do this job, the more i'm convinced 15600 people actually do stuff that's indispensible and everyone else could quit and the country would run fine.
somewhere after we moved beyond the need for subsistence-farming on a daily, individual basis we fucked up and created more jobs to do when 33 men in kansas now can farm for the entire nation.

Eh, I agree with enough of what you wrote to simply say I'd really rather see way more swallowing in porn now than creampies. But I dont swallow the entire premise...I've seen and known way too many sick fuck professors who used escorts for things even Himmler would not have imagined for any Rhinemaiden, and who's children wound up in bellevue or even walpole. Perhaps I am a realist to a fault...A leopold and loeb in prison for murder, because of a completely STUPID mistake, doesnt seem to make much REAL difference when compared to a hick with a 97 IQ who torched a mobile home cooking meth and fried 3 people. They are both murderers and will rot in prison...

Kudos on the sales force argument, that is true to a large extent, I just find it telling AGAIN in a realist point of view: The dudes witht he degrees almost expected shit to be handed to them, while the non-degree dudes seemed way more willing to bust their ass...where I worked it did involve more things than simply selling however (like inventory control, and making contract proposals in MIL-SPEC speak (which is like another language, or was in 1996) which, even with today's sophisticated programs and guides, which we didnt have 10 yearsd ago, you still need to be QUICK with numbers and have intuitive perception, two things DEFINITELY related to both intelligence and chutzpah/ethic.)

bump for the Gerald Ford reference...RIP nigga.

Still one of the ten greatest posts on XPT ever. The soul searching....

No one ever "talks" like this here anymore. Nice thread bump.

I miss Jamesn, but he could come out with some pretty simple-minded elitist bullshit. Montrachet isn't better than Boones. Like intelligence, there's no objective criteria to determine these things. Just a set of agreed upon standards. In fact, we can't define intelligence. We recognize it only by the benchmarks. We assume a set of common goals, and measure intelligence by our ability to achieve those goals. But do education, wealth, power, and social status = "intelligence"? I suppose by some definition. But ignoring spirituality, in strictly Darwinian terms, the only real measure of "success" is one's reproductive rate [ just ask EO Wilson ]. Intelligence, wealth, power, social status, etc only have value to the extent that they increase one's likelihood of attracting a mate and fostering offspring. In that regard, a goodlooking male pornstar who manages to father a fair number of illegitimate children would actually be considered far more successful than someone like Barak Obama who only fathers two. Of course, you could argue that Obama's children would someday be making decisions for the pornstars children. But since the pornstars would far outnumber the Obamas, the bulk of political power would rest, as it always does, with the masses. Which is why our "leaders" are forever compelled to kowtow to the whims of the middleclass. Look at the bell curve. The prize goes to the C students.

You've just outlined the backstory to the movie Idiocracy