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#178173 - 07/09/06 10:32 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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Terrible PPV and didn't live up to the hype. Seemed rigged to set up Ortiz-Shamrock 3.
Why didn't John McCarthy ref both big matches? He would never have ended it so quickly.
I've seen Mcarthy make some bad calls too. I don't think it was rigged at all. Ken got smashed hard by 2 hard elbows, then stopped moving his arms and defending. If you've got an animal like Tito on you and your not coherant, it's night night time. Yes he got up quick but he's a fighter and recovers fast. Herb made the right call IMO.
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#178181 - 07/10/06 06:46 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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Look at Pride's top 5.
1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3. Mirko Cro Cop
4. Mark Hunt
5. Josh Barnett
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1. Tim Sylvia
2. Andre Arlovski
3. Jeff Monson
4. Frank Mir
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The heavyweight division is no doubt week, but saying that Pride is that much better is a stretch. I think the heavyweight division is week simply because MMA is a middle weight class man's game.
More specifically about the Pride Top 5. I can't speak for the top 3 because I have no clue who they are, but Mark Hunt!? That would be the Mark Hunt that didn't win K1 tournaments until the old standard champs retired? Then you say Josh Barnett!? Is that the Josh Barnett that use to get his ass handed to him back in UFC before weight classes?
The only heavyweights I'm looking to see(since Arlovski seems to have lost his marbles) are Brad Imes(I hope his disappearance is because he's gone into serious training with a top camp). Brad has a suspect chin, but so do Silvia and Arlovski. Though Brad impressed me by continuing to get up after Rashad Evans put him down. A fighter I would like to see come back to give Silvia a gut check would be Andre "The Chief" Roberts, but I see there is a gay weight restriction of 265 pounds for heavyweights. Being that The Chief never fought lower than like 320 I doubt he will ever get down to 265. I wish Chuck would decide to drop a little weight and take the titles from Rich Franklin and Matt Hughes. Then he should put on a little weight and take Silvia's belt too.
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#178182 - 07/10/06 08:24 AM
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Porn Jesus
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The first fight was the only good one on the card.It was one of the bloodiest fights I have ever seen.Other than that UFC 61 sucked.
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#178183 - 07/10/06 09:10 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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I haven´t watched UFC in a long time but two fighters that i haven´t heard from anything at all are tito ortiz and vitor belfort...i rememeber watching ortiz in his debut match i think(he wasn´t supposed to fight that night) and he was very good, but vitor belfort, he was just amazing, i saw that motherfucker tear apart 2 guys and i have never seen anything like that...he reminded me of Mike Tyson, not because of his record or how quickly he knocked people out, but just because how superior he looked over his opponents.
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#178184 - 07/10/06 11:01 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 07/20/03
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Look at Pride's top 5.
1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3. Mirko Cro Cop
4. Mark Hunt
5. Josh Barnett
UFC
1. Tim Sylvia
2. Andre Arlovski
3. Jeff Monson
4. Frank Mir
5.
The heavyweight division is no doubt week, but saying that Pride is that much better is a stretch. I think the heavyweight division is week simply because MMA is a middle weight class man's game.
Yes it is. Any true MMA fan will tell you. Your basing that on a weak UFC division. Go watch Pride and then make your conclusion. King of the Cage, Gladiator Challenge, WFA, Rage in the Cage, Hook n Shoot, to name a few; have great up n coming heavyweights.
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More specifically about the Pride Top 5. I can't speak for the top 3 because I have no clue who they are, but Mark Hunt!? That would be the Mark Hunt that didn't win K1 tournaments until the old standard champs retired?
If you dont know who the top 3 are, you don't watch MMA on a regular basis. Fedor is the current champ and seems unstoppable.
Nogueria is the former champion and Cro-Cop is the most acurate and feared striker in MMA. Go rent some recent Pride events to see what Im talking about.
Mark Hunt isn't a bad MMA fighter. K-1 is kickboxing, two completely different sports. You should know that.
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Then you say Josh Barnett!? Is that the Josh Barnett that use to get his ass handed to him back in UFC before weight classes?
Barnett is a very good fighter. He has only 1 loss in the UFC, and that was to Pedro Rizzo. He took Cro-Cop to the full 3 rounds in Pride 30.
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A fighter I would like to see come back to give Silvia a gut check would be Andre "The Chief" Roberts, but I see there is a gay weight restriction of 265 pounds for heavyweights. Being that The Chief never fought lower than like 320 I doubt he will ever get down to 265.
The Cheif is too old now. He's got to be around 48 by now. He'd get his ass handed to him for lack of stamina and technical skills.
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I wish Chuck would decide to drop a little weight and take the titles from Rich Franklin and Matt Hughes. Then he should put on a little weight and take Silvia's belt too.
AC Cream
Are you insane? Chuck cant drop down to Hughes weight. Thats a 30 lb difference. With his height, he'd look like Naomi. He'd lose alot of strength and power.
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#178185 - 07/10/06 11:11 AM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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More specifically about the Pride Top 5. I can't speak for the top 3 because I have no clue who they are, but Mark Hunt!? That would be the Mark Hunt that didn't win K1 tournaments until the old standard champs retired?
K1 is MMA? I didn't know that. You admit not knowing the top 3? Nogiera, Cro Cop, and Fedor? Do some googling, any one of these guys could walk in to UFC take the belt and shoo Tim Sylvia outta the ring.
And tell Fedor that this ain't the game for him. 
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Then you say Josh Barnett!? Is that the Josh Barnett that use to get his ass handed to him back in UFC before weight classes?
Again with the history holes. Look up the results of the Randy Couture vs Josh Barnet, matches. And title history too.
No one here had heard of Silva either, look how that turned out for Leben.
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#178187 - 07/12/06 04:04 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/19/04
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Ok guys I just starterd to get back into MMA stuff again after an decade long hiatus- I really seem to like the Pride stuff and have just started picking up some of the dvds. Chico or anyone else who has seen them - can you give me a heads up on what are the best of the available dvds for Pride. I like striking more than mat but if there is a lot of action then the mat stuff is great too.
Juat finished the Armed and Ready dvd and that was a really great purchase, The ninja vs.Sperry match and the others were all good.
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#178194 - 07/12/06 07:15 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 01/12/06
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Heres something you will like.
Fedor Vs Randleman
I'm going to comment on previous posts when I have more time, but I did want to say.
So this dude Kevin Randleman manhandled is the big bad Pride champ? If little(UFC Middleweight) Kevin Randleman had his way with him what do you think Silvia or Arlovski would do to him? I know you are going to say "manhandled? Fedor won". Any objective fight fan could see Randleman was in total control. I think it was pretty shitty the ref didn't stand them up when Kevin's legs got tangled in the ropes. The little bit of Pride I've watched on Fox Sports Net I know they stand guys frequently. I've seen them stand guys when their backs barely rub up against the ropes. Ok, so I've seen Pride's "best". I'm less impressed with him than I am with Silvia and that's saying something.
AC Cream
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#178196 - 07/12/06 08:13 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/19/04
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Thanks for the info Chico and Lance  I like the fighters and of course i like the ring girls in Pride. I also watch what i can of ufc on spike. Are there channels other than fox that show mma events- i could of sworn i saw something on an espn a while ago?
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#178197 - 07/12/06 09:11 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
Registered: 02/18/05
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Where are you dowloading them from? Is there a program you can use for youtube or google video?
I use bit torrents. Sort of like limewire or kazaa, but slightly more complicated.
You search for the file or program on a site like torrentspy.com then you download the torrent file which is basically a roadmap to where the files are located. You need a program to download torrents for you though. I use Azureus
And search from http://www.torrentspy.com You can find just about anything there. Programs, movies, porn...not that I do but I digress. 
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#178200 - 07/13/06 09:18 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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September 10th Absolute Finals Cro Cop VS Silva Nogiera VS Barnett Article
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#178202 - 08/04/06 05:56 PM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 06/27/06
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... Ok, so I've seen Pride's "best". I'm less impressed with him than I am with Silvia and that's saying something.
AC Cream
If we are speaking in theoretics, sure it's possible that Sylvia could knock out Fedor. Almost anyone can beat their opponent on any given day. But to suggest that Tim Sylvia is in any way a better fighter than Fedor is ridiculous.
Exactly what part of Fedor's dominance are you unimpressed with? Is his 23-1 record not enough? How about the fact that his only loss came almost six years ago to Tsuyoshi Kohsaka as a result of a cut, 17 seconds into the fight. By the way, he did defeat Kohsaka at PRIDE-Bushido 6 last year, avenging that sole blemish on his record.
Maybe his wins over guys like Cro Cop, Nog, Coleman, Fujita and Randleman should be an indicator as to his level of talent.
The guys that Arlovski and Sylvia have beaten on their way to UFC heavyweight elite status? Buentello, Eilers, Sims, Block and Gan McGee. Needless to say, the discrepancy between talent of those guys versus the guys Fedor has beaten is quite significant.
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#178203 - 08/04/06 06:55 PM
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Porn Jesus
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... Ok, so I've seen Pride's "best". I'm less impressed with him than I am with Silvia and that's saying something.
AC Cream
If we are speaking in theoretics, sure it's possible that Sylvia could knock out Fedor. Almost anyone can beat their opponent on any given day. But to suggest that Tim Sylvia is in any way a better fighter than Fedor is ridiculous.
Exactly what part of Fedor's dominance are you unimpressed with? Is his 23-1 record not enough? How about the fact that his only loss came almost six years ago to Tsuyoshi Kohsaka as a result of a cut, 17 seconds into the fight. By the way, he did defeat Kohsaka at PRIDE-Bushido 6 last year, avenging that sole blemish on his record.
Maybe his wins over guys like Cro Cop, Nog, Coleman, Fujita and Randleman should be an indicator as to his level of talent.
The guys that Arlovski and Sylvia have beaten on their way to UFC heavyweight elite status? Buentello, Eilers, Sims, Block and Gan McGee. Needless to say, the discrepancy between talent of those guys versus the guys Fedor has beaten is quite significant.
I really like this girl. Definately knows what she is talking about. What your take on King of the Cage, Pancrease, WFA, Rumble on the Rocks etc.
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#178204 - 08/07/06 09:24 PM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 06/27/06
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I really like this girl. Definately knows what she is talking about. What your take on King of the Cage, Pancrease, WFA, Rumble on the Rocks etc.
Thanks for the kind words Chico. I don't really get to talk MMA all that much with my girlfriends for obvious reasons, most of them aren't really into it but one of my ex boyfriends trains at the American Kickboxing Academy in San Jose and he's a huge fan too, really got me into it.
As for King of the Cage, Pancrase, etc. I enjoy them all but to a lesser extent than PRIDE FC and The Ultimate Fighting Championship. But I do enjoy watching guys like Mac Danzig, Bas Rutten and of course Rampage. What a great signing for WFA, I really thought UFC could have benefited from having him on board though. A Rampage- Liddell rematch would have definitely grabbed my attention since Chuck is much improved since their last meeting.
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#178208 - 08/08/06 09:05 AM
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Porn Jesus
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I love her too, between CG Gurl, Chico and Lance I get all my MMA info updated. I don't do the PPV thing so I am a bit behind the times as I wait for the matches to hit the net or DVd.
Plus anyone who likes Quinton is alright in my book. He is one of the most entertaining fihgtwers in the game. I love the slams and it seems that he is one of the few that actually does them. Why is that Chico? Is he stronger in the lower body than the ohers or is it because you take a chance when you slam that others dont want to take?
Also one more question- why did the fight professor leave Pride commentary? I liked him so much better than this new guy. I can only hope that Bas is retained for a long time because for my money he is the best announcer in either KOC, Pride, or the UFC.
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#178209 - 08/08/06 10:09 AM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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Sorry to dissapoint Cleetus. Bas hasn't been with Pride for a while now. He's running his own show now. IFC. Last time I saw it was Chico's boy Frank Trigg announcing. And he had hair! No offense to him Im just not used to it. If you like slams, then check out Matt Hughes. That's his claim to fame, well that and being one of the toughest sons of bitches alive. www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3JzFSXoNPc
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#178210 - 08/08/06 02:44 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/19/04
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Damn it, well that is what i get for being months behind the times. Oh well thanks for the news anyway Lance. Maybe Bas' promotion will take off and I will be getting those dvds someday. I happened to see Randy Couture (sp) announce a pride match and he did a really good job too, maybe he would make a good announce if he is really retired
Lance- thanks a lot for the MAtt Hughes tip- he rocks. Not only with the slams but he is really quick. I beginning to finish up on Pride and will be checking out the UFC more so I hope to see more of him. I like to watch Tito and Chuck Liddell fight- do you happen to remember ufc 47 I think it was where they fought each other? Was that a good fight?
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#178211 - 08/08/06 03:27 PM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
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...I like to watch Tito and Chuck Liddell fight- do you happen to remember ufc 47 I think it was where they fought each other? Was that a good fight?
It was a good fight if you wanted to see Chuck punk out Tito and beat his ass. He lost via KO (punches) at :38 into the 2nd round. For all the talk that preceded the fight, Tito didn't want any of Chuck once that match started.
Also, it appears that Shamrock VS Ortiz III is slated to take place in October. Subsequently, Shamrock is due to retire.
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#178213 - 08/08/06 03:37 PM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
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Did you go to the Strikeforce events? Shamrock dismantled Gracie in 35,45 seconds.
Yes I did attend the Strikeforce events, it's great to finally have MMA events close to home. The Shamrock VS Gracie fight was over before it even started. I think it ended at 21 seconds but it seemed even faster.
Cung Le had a lot of fans in attendance, I even saw some Latinos holding a Vietnamese flag, hehe. He's pretty much a local hero and I hope to see him continue his success in MMA competition. I sorta dig Asian guys anyway, had an ex who was Viet.
The June event was pretty cool too, though Belfort continues to dissapoint. Granted he had his hands full with Overeem, he just didn't seem fully focused.
The matches have been pretty exciting though, of the 12 matches that took place in June, 5 ended in submission and 4 ended in TKO's.
I'm probably going to the October event too, headlined by Tank VS Buentello.
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#178215 - 08/08/06 04:50 PM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
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Actually I would like to see that- I was hoping it was that kind of a fight. As Much as i like Tito , he talks a lot of shit it seems so it would be cool to see chuck hammer him.
Hopefully Chuck will do the same to Wanderlai. I really disliked the axe murderer when I started watching MMA again but his talent has begun to grow on me. Much like my opinion of Julio cesar Chavez changed to one of respect from dislike in boxing.
Yeah, if you disliked Tito or wanted to see him get beat down, that match with Chuck is right down your alley. I was also pulling for Chuck so I had no problem with the outcome.
Tito does talk a lot but UFC needs his personality. With all the boring fighters and guys with no true presence, he is a vibrant personality, albeit a controversial one from time to time. No matter what we think of him personally, the guy is a good fighter and busts his ass when it comes to training and conditioning, that much was evident when I watched season 3 of "The Ultimate Fighter".
I'm going for Chuck against Wanderlai too, though it isn't because I have anything against Silva, he's a great talent and exciting striker. I just really like Chuck and would like to see him defeat a top level fighter. Plus it would be a boon for the UFC, which is obviously behind PRIDE as far as talent goes.
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