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#170193 - 05/29/06 09:12 AM
Luke Is Back MAFIA Chronicles
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/02/05
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Luke's site is much better these days, which I guess we can attribute in part to the fact that he is focussing on interesting, engaging and important topics like the Mafia Connection detailed in K. Gallo's blogs, and the fact Holly Randall must not have had Chapped lips in the last several weeks. Consider this excerpt from lukeisback regarding Gallo's blog:
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When I first got into porn the Stars were women, then they became so young 18 or 19, these girls do not know s---. They have no idea the wreck they are making out of their lives. When you f--- on film it is forever. People will always find it. It will pop up when you don't want it. They think they are making big money, really its piss. The big companies make the money off these young girls. I used to be around these girls when the day is over. Its no bed of roses. Amber Lynn what a train wreck! She could have gotten out...
I find this statement and the topic it encompasses compelling and morbidly fascinating. Because it cuts to the core of "WHY?", and really hits home in my mind about what is going on with Porn and the young, semi attractive girls that generally comprise the performer/talent pool. In light of my recent exposure and time spent hanging around personally with various people, and communicating via means like my interviews, I actually can see in stark and vivid detail what Gallo is describing.
By and large these 18-22 year old chicks are totally fucking themselves and their lives over, doing what they are doing and for the amount of money they are doing it...I am particularly baffled by the Monetary angle, because I know personally, and have actually sat with pornchicks and "done the math" and determined that if a girl is going to sell her body, Porn is not necessarily the most lucrative path to follow. Consider...
An escort, average in terms of appeal and physical attributes, if she puts forth modest effort and does not do anything desperate or stupid, can earn 1500 a day seeing 2 or 3 clients MAXIMUM, at 1-2 hours per client. There is an element of uncertainty and danger with first time clients, but by and large with established repeat clientele, escorting offers the same or greater benefits as porn monetarily, without the FILMED/RECORDED for POSTERITY aspects that Gallo points out will follow a chick to her grave. An escort who maintains discretion and anonymity can pursue most other vocations and careers if she chooses, and she can hide from family/friends/lovers-potential spouses her sordid dirty little secret. Porn chicks cannot. Plus the numbers I am referencing for escorts are for the average woman...it is obviously, and easily, possible to make A LOT MORE than that, as a private escort, even if you are NOT super model hott but merely porn chick with lots of makeup hott....and I have not even broached (yet) feature dancing as another alternative or complement to porn....
19-20 year old girls doing porn, commanding, say 800 bucks on average for a Boy girl (slightly more as time goes by and popularity increases), working 3-4 times a week, with other projects and modifications intermingled, can pull 5 grand+ a week when things are rocking. Perhaps a little more, often somewhat less because of things like slow downs in work, illness or mensruation, etc. 200k pre tax for the year is achievable for a typical porn starlet. An escort who works 4 to 5 days (or more, because she sets her own schedule and is her own boss, and in most cities, the demand is constant) will make more week after week on a consistent basis. So why do chicks choose porn? It is perception, along with bullshit ideals and illusions of fame and stardom....and attention, that lead them to fuck with their lives and options that Gallo describes.....
Some porn chicks, I have learned first hand or here online, DO NOT regard fucking porn dudes like Dirty Harry, or TT Borg, or Erik Evilhard, or Steve Holmes for 900 bucks on film (minus Agent fees) as the same as, say, visiting a 45 year old affluent, clean (disease wise and hygiene wise) lawyer in a hotel for 500 bucks an hour, 2 hour visit, plus tips. Somehow, they reason that the filming is NOT prostitution and therefore is not demeaning or as degrading. They also fixate and rationalize, with Porn's self created importance and stardom, that they are a form of celebrity and that entails certain benefits NOW, or in the short term. They also see the filming of themselves, and the dissemination of their filmed sex acts as a way to satisfy whatever artificial or fucked up craving they have for attention.
Hillary Scott made an excellent and interesting general comment/observation to me about somegirl(s) in the business (who i will NOT NAME). Hillary pointed out that in these chick(s)' case, Money was not the primary motive, NOR was an insatiable lust for SEX or to be a sexual goddess the primary motive for making porn and performing in a shitload of flicks. Rather it is a NEED to make any and ALL MEN they encounter, or who encounter them, want and lust after them. They are ATTENTION whores, so I guess I have to wonder just how many TOTAL girls are in porn because they crave the attention from MEN it provides in the short term (2-3 years of their career at its height.) Both Money, and SEX, can be achieved and satisfied through means OTHER than Porn and fucking on film in hundreds of scenes for the world to see.
Some chicks find their own balance and karma....they will do, say 20-30 porn flicks and get out, simply because the sex scenes will be the catalyst for their escorting or feature dancing career. And there is another possibility, stripping which allows chicks to make a certain amount of money fairly quickly and easily, albeit not as guaranteed or as quickly as porn or escorting. I do know strippers who can pull down at least 1100-1500 a day pretty easily and consistently in cities like Chicago, Vegas and especially Houston. Working 5 days a week, that is about as much (maybe a little less or more) money as porn whores fucking and being degraded on film...plus stripping LASTs a long long time as a career or source of income...Gia Jordan, 35 years old, can still feature dance and make a lot of money, which obviously indicates she is doing porn for additional reasons besides the money, the dirty whore.
But Gallo's points in the blog quote above really hit home...these girls think they are doing something positive and great with their lives pulling in 200K+ (on the high end) for 2 or 3 years performing debased acts from straight fucking to things like American Bukkake and eating Cumfart cocktails. I was shocked to learn that one popular actress was paid 900 bucks for her american Bukkake shoot...and to think her AGENT got his share of that, that is SHIT (peanuts) to be jerked off upon by 40+ absolute Losers and dregs of society...one chick I talked to, in describing some of the dudes on the AB sets, painted for me a picture of abject debauchery, where total weirdo perverts who NEVER get laid or even date women are standing in line with other similar dudes just to ejaculate upon an equally desperate whore....10 seconds is what these dudes get....10 seconds of the orgasm playing out in their brain as the semen emerges from their dick onto the American Bukkake Girl, and then its over and back to reality they go...but for the girl the moment(s) are captured forever for the world to see, all for 900 bucks minus agents fee. So CLEARLY, something else is afoot in these girl's minds in cases like American bukkake shoots....it has to be attention. How sad is that, that basically beautiful chicks need to be ejaculated upon by scores of creeps to feel beautiful or validated or in tune with their femininity, all for a few fleeting moments but wih lasting impact and consequences.
...to be continued.....
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#170195 - 05/29/06 12:03 PM
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Porn Jesus
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burg, too much man, just too much. orgo interested me for a while. lots of words are for books, write one and i'll buy it. i just want to call people names and see brandon get banned.
the truth is, analyzing unpredictably stupid people will drive you CRAZY. it doesn't make sense, they do stuff you'll never understand.
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#170196 - 05/29/06 12:07 PM
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 07/21/05
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Loc: *quah quah quah quah*
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Luke's site is much better these days, which I guess we can attribute in part to the fact that he is focussing on interesting, engaging and important topics like the Mafia Connection detailed in K. Gallo's blogs, and the fact Holly Randall must not have had Chapped lips in the last several weeks. Consider this excerpt from lukeisback regarding Gallo's blog:
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When I first got into porn the Stars were women, then they became so young 18 or 19, these girls do not know s---. They have no idea the wreck they are making out of their lives. When you f--- on film it is forever. People will always find it. It will pop up when you don't want it. They think they are making big money, really its piss. The big companies make the money off these young girls. I used to be around these girls when the day is over. Its no bed of roses. Amber Lynn what a train wreck! She could have gotten out...
I find this statement and the topic it encompasses compelling and morbidly fascinating. Because it cuts to the core of "WHY?", and really hits home in my mind about what is going on with Porn and the young, semi attractive girls that generally comprise the performer/talent pool. In light of my recent exposure and time spent hanging around personally with various people, and communicating via means like my interviews, I actually can see in stark and vivid detail what Gallo is describing.
By and large these 18-22 year old chicks are totally fucking themselves and their lives over, doing what they are doing and for the amount of money they are doing it...I am particularly baffled by the Monetary angle, because I know personally, and have actually sat with pornchicks and "done the math" and determined that if a girl is going to sell her body, Porn is not necessarily the most lucrative path to follow. Consider...
An escort, average in terms of appeal and physical attributes, if she puts forth modest effort and does not do anything desperate or stupid, can earn 1500 a day seeing 2 or 3 clients MAXIMUM, at 1-2 hours per client. There is an element of uncertainty and danger with first time clients, but by and large with established repeat clientele, escorting offers the same or greater benefits as porn monetarily, without the FILMED/RECORDED for POSTERITY aspects that Gallo points out will follow a chick to her grave. An escort who maintains discretion and anonymity can pursue most other vocations and careers if she chooses, and she can hide from family/friends/lovers-potential spouses her sordid dirty little secret. Porn chicks cannot. Plus the numbers I am referencing for escorts are for the average woman...it is obviously, and easily, possible to make A LOT MORE than that, as a private escort, even if you are NOT super model hott but merely porn chick with lots of makeup hott....and I have not even broached (yet) feature dancing as another alternative or complement to porn....
19-20 year old girls doing porn, commanding, say 800 bucks on average for a Boy girl (slightly more as time goes by and popularity increases), working 3-4 times a week, with other projects and modifications intermingled, can pull 5 grand+ a week when things are rocking. Perhaps a little more, often somewhat less because of things like slow downs in work, illness or mensruation, etc. 200k pre tax for the year is achievable for a typical porn starlet. An escort who works 4 to 5 days (or more, because she sets her own schedule and is her own boss, and in most cities, the demand is constant) will make more week after week on a consistent basis. So why do chicks choose porn? It is perception, along with bullshit ideals and illusions of fame and stardom....and attention, that lead them to fuck with their lives and options that Gallo describes.....
Some porn chicks, I have learned first hand or here online, DO NOT regard fucking porn dudes like Dirty Harry, or TT Borg, or Erik Evilhard, or Steve Holmes for 900 bucks on film (minus Agent fees) as the same as, say, visiting a 45 year old affluent, clean (disease wise and hygiene wise) lawyer in a hotel for 500 bucks an hour, 2 hour visit, plus tips. Somehow, they reason that the filming is NOT prostitution and therefore is not demeaning or as degrading. They also fixate and rationalize, with Porn's self created importance and stardom, that they are a form of celebrity and that entails certain benefits NOW, or in the short term. They also see the filming of themselves, and the dissemination of their filmed sex acts as a way to satisfy whatever artificial or fucked up craving they have for attention.
Hillary Scott made an excellent and interesting general comment/observation to me about somegirl(s) in the business (who i will NOT NAME). Hillary pointed out that in these chick(s)' case, Money was not the primary motive, NOR was an insatiable lust for SEX or to be a young badass sexual goddess the primary motive for making porn and performing in a shitload of flicks. Rather it is a NEED to make any and ALL MEN they encounter, or who encounter them, want and lust after them. They are ATTENTION whores, so I guess I have to wonder just how many TOTAL girls are in porn because they crave the attention from MEN it provides in the short term (2-3 years of their career at its height.) Both Money, and SEX, can be achieved and satisfied through means OTHER than Porn and fucking on film in hundreds of scenes for the world to see.
Some chicks find their own balance and karma....they will do, say 20-30 porn flicks and get out, simply because the sex scenes will be the catalyst for their escorting or feature dancing career. And there is another possibility, stripping which allows chicks to make a certain amount of money fairly quickly and easily, albeit not as guaranteed or as quickly as porn or escorting. I do know strippers who can pull down at least 1100-1500 a day pretty easily and consistently in cities like Chicago, Vegas and especially Houston. Working 5 days a week, that is about as much (maybe a little less or more) money as porn whores fucking and being degraded on film...plus stripping LASTs a long long time as a career or source of income...Gia Jordan, 35 years old, can still feature dance and make a lot of money, which obviously indicates she is doing porn for additional reasons besides the money, the dirty whore.
But Gallo's points in the blog quote above really hit home...these girls think they are doing something positive and great with their lives pulling in 200K+ (on the high end) for 2 or 3 years performing debased acts from straight fucking to things like American Bukkake and eating Cumfart cocktails. I was shocked to learn that one popular actress was paid 900 bucks for her american Bukkake shoot...and to think her AGENT got his share of that, that is SHIT (peanuts) to be jerked off upon by 40+ absolute Losers and dregs of society...one chick I talked to, in describing some of the dudes on the AB sets, painted for me a picture of abject debauchery, where total weirdo perverts who NEVER get laid or even date women are standing in line with other similar dudes just to ejaculate upon an equally desperate whore....10 seconds is what these dudes get....10 seconds of the orgasm playing out in their brain as the semen emerges from their dick onto the American Bukkake Girl, and then its over and back to reality they go...but for the girl the moment(s) are captured forever for the world to see, all for 900 bucks minus agents fee. So CLEARLY, something else is afoot in these girl's minds in cases like American bukkake shoots....it has to be attention. How sad is that, that basically beautiful chicks need to be ejaculated upon by scores of creeps to feel beautiful or validated or in tune with their femininity, all for a few fleeting moments but wih lasting impact and consequences.
...to be continued.....
I enjoyed that very much. I'm still confused and upset and need to understand but can't. But it seems to me that whatever it is all about is centered on there being the machinery and apparatus of the dreamfactory present, the lights and cameras and sound equiptment, a "crew", and the dissemination to the public as "entertainment". It's still enough to put stars in eyes, I suppose, no matter that whatever dark underbelly is there is turned upward, bloated and gaseous toward maggotified bursting in the hot California sun. Oh, and due to the bloat, the rigored limbs stick out ridiculously at obtuse angles like it is pining for hugs.
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#170197 - 05/29/06 12:36 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 12/12/05
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I agree overall with your point but there are a few things I'd like to dispute. I understand from other threads you have posted in that you have experiance with escorts and the like so I'm not trying to talk down to you, but from my experiance there are a few varying factors.
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An escort, average in terms of appeal and physical attributes, if she puts forth modest effort and does not do anything desperate or stupid, can earn 1500 a day seeing 2 or 3 clients MAXIMUM, at 1-2 hours per client.
Even top notch, non-porn star escorts do not make $1,500 a day. It can and does happen, but it's not like a common occurance. To charge $500+ an hour you generally have to be exceptionally attractive, well established, live in a big city, and cater to an uppercrust clientel. Most escorts do not posesses all of these advantages.
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Some porn chicks, I have learned first hand or here online, DO NOT regard fucking porn dudes like Dirty Harry, or TT Borg, or Erik Evilhard, or Steve Holmes for 900 bucks on film (minus Agent fees) as the same as, say, visiting a 45 year old affluent, clean (disease wise and hygiene wise) lawyer in a hotel for 500 bucks an hour, 2 hour visit, plus tips.
Very few clients who escorts cater to are either affluent, clean, willing to meet in high-class hotels, etc. You are talking about a client base that is dealt with by a very small percentage of call girls. I suppose you could make the argument that most porn chicks are attractive and resourceful enough to be within that margin, but I'd have to disagree.
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...plus stripping LASTs a long long time as a career or source of income...
This one I have to call you out on. While stripping does seem to have a smaller turnover rate than escorting or porn, a significant amount of strippers I have worked with over the years get locked into this spiral of making more money then they have ever had before and spending it all on designer purses, cars, drugs, etc. without saving any of it or planning for the future in any way, shape, or form (much like porn chicks). So they continue to strip for years and years until their looks and bodies are worn out and then they either continue stripping and sink into doing "extras" (hooking while you're on the job) or something else equally desperate, and end up old and shot out with nothing to show for it. And those are the few that don't burn out along the way.
Also, I don't think stripping is any more or less emotionally taxing than pornography, but that also depends on the person and their tolerance for certain things. When you're a stripper you have to work harder for your money and deal with multitudes of cheapass sleazebags, whores, and other bullshit that probably is right up there with the porn industry. Physically it certainly beats being triple-penetrated and donkey punched for hours on end, but emotionally and mentally I'm thinking it's probably one or two rungs below porn. It's not all flowers and sunshine and from my experiance it seems to be just as damaging and dead-end as any other area of sex work.
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