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#167138 - 05/14/06 03:50 PM carson palmer is the best quarterback in the nfl
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does he have a left knee? any thoughts?
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#167139 - 05/14/06 03:58 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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here's my favorite pure qb since young. jesus, he looks more hiv-ridden than joey silveria.

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#167140 - 05/14/06 04:14 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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I'm not a Colts fan but watching P. Manning run the two minute drill with ease at any point during the game is fun. As far as pure pocket passers go he's right up there with D Marino. PM just needs to get his shit together in the playoffs and win a championship.


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#167141 - 05/14/06 04:25 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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peyton needs too much shit to function for my tastes. no doubt he's marino-redux. but the fact is he couldn't do it with edge, 2 of the best wideouts in football and a line with tarik glenn protecting him. i could watch him throw deep-hitches all day, i just think the day for a qb like that came and went before dan fouts.
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#167142 - 05/14/06 05:44 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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Marino- never had a Rb.
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#167143 - 05/14/06 05:46 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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quick-name tom brady's tailbacks other than corey dillon the last super bowl.

quick-name steve young's back in 95
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#167144 - 05/14/06 06:46 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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i just think the day for a qb like that came and went before dan fouts.




I don't know about that. You take the last ten years of Super Bowl Champs and most are primarily pocket passers. Last year B. Roeth. only had 69 yards rushing. The year before that T. Brady only had 28 yards rushing and only 63 yards in '03. Brad Johnson, Kurt Warner Troy Aikman all stayed in the pocket. Brett Farve scrambled when he had to and Elway ran quite a bit but those guys made their mark throwing first and only scrambled as a necessity. Plus the more they run the greater chance of injury like Michael Vick. Vick is awesome to watch on TV but if I needed one QB to build a team around it would be a pocket passer like P Manning. But of course if you can find a guy that has it all like S. Young and even Elway thats the best.
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#167145 - 05/14/06 06:48 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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i'd disagree with someone like brady or aikman being a pure pocket-guy in the mold of marino or manning. not saying 20 steps out of where they're supposed to set, maybe 3-5 of the right steps. that's all you need. peyton can't do it.


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#167146 - 05/14/06 06:57 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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i'd disagree with someone like brady or aikman being a pure pocket-gut in the mold of marino or manning




True they don't have cement shoes like Manning/Marino but they are closer to that type of QB than the scramblers like Vick or R. Cunningham back in the day. The coaches aren't exclty calling for Brady to bust a run around the outside. Anyway, who do like to win it in '07 James. I take it your a NE Pats fan given your location. You like their chances this season?
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#167147 - 05/14/06 06:58 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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when warner was on, his release took him far outside of any pocket passer for adapting/dumping.

AZ is my huge IF this year. they've got the back, they've got the 2nd best split end in the game this year. and if kurt still sees things in half-speed, they've got the qb. and if not, they've got the most polished passer to come through the draft since carson.
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#167148 - 05/14/06 07:02 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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pats have no fucking chance. they're pulling a pump and dump.

pgh again, if i had to call it. i think indy gave away half of the reason manning could playfake those yards.
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#167149 - 05/14/06 07:28 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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....AZ is my huge IF this year...




I agree. I think they will be the "sexy" pick for a lot of people. There is no way they don't improve from last year. I wouldn't give up on the Pats too soon they have a smart front office and have a great coaching staff. I don't know if Pitts. will repeat this year but they look like the class of the league again. I'm a Skins fan and they spent a lot of money AGAIN this year. We'll see if the $ turns into w's.
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#167150 - 05/14/06 07:33 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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dude, how does washington ALWAYS seem to come up with the most money in the league to spend?
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#167151 - 05/14/06 07:41 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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have you guys ever heard of Joe Montana???...anybody at all???...Manning is nice, but he aint won dick...same with Marino...at least Favre got one, and is on the verge of eclipsing Marino's records...why do you think he came back?!!..the Pack wont win shit this year...it's all about records. Steve Young was damn good as was Elway. 2 of the best. Montana,Elway,Favre...in that order...
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#167152 - 05/14/06 07:45 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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give me bill walsh, bill walsh and bill walsh. throw in roger craig and rice and young could win 5 straight. best quarterback i've ever seen.
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#167153 - 05/14/06 07:48 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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dude, how does washington ALWAYS seem to come up with the most money in the league to spend?




lol I know. They must be using Enron accounting tactics to always be able to spend money and not be strangled by the salary cap. I think the teams can pay an up front signing bonus that doesn't count towards the players salary or the team's cap.
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#167154 - 05/14/06 10:29 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the nfl
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does he have a left knee? any thoughts?


Palmer's left knee is about as glassy as Cam Neely's jaw.

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#167155 - 05/14/06 10:48 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the nfl
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#167156 - 05/14/06 10:58 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the nfl
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There are few teams in professional sports that are more difficult to be a fan of than the AZ Cards. But keep the faith new season = new hope.
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#167157 - 05/14/06 11:11 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the nfl
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There are few teams in professional sports that are more difficult to be a fan of than the AZ Cards. But keep the faith new season = new hope.



Fuck that. My father was born in Hyde Park (Chicago) tried to be a Chicago Cardinals fan...they sucked. Moved to St. Louis, started a family....Cards followed....still sucked. Moved out to Phoenix, the bastards keep following us like locusts...still sucked.

The Cardinals biggest problems are at the very top, the Bidwells are incompetent and have been since their father died...well it's a long fucking story, but trust me, Floof is 100% on.

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#167158 - 05/14/06 11:13 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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There is no right answer to who is the best. Everyone has their opinions. I am partial to Montana and Young, bust because I think Bill Walsh was the best at making an offence run.

What think that can be said about Palmer is that he has gone such a long way in a short time, of course the same can be said for Big Ben.

With the weaponns that Palmer has he has the potential to be Hall-Of-Fame material. We'll see how well he does coming back form his injury.

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#167159 - 05/14/06 11:20 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the nfl
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Fuck that. My father was born in Hyde Park (Chicago) tried to be a Chicago Cardinals fan...they sucked. Moved to St. Louis, started a family....Cards followed....still sucked. Moved out to Phoenix, the bastards keep following us like locusts...still sucked.

The Cardinals biggest problems are at the very top, the Bidwells are incompetent and have been since their father died...well it's a long fucking story, but trust me, Floof is 100% on.




That's cool. I was just trying to be nice. To be honest I hope the league contracts and gets rid of a few teams. Cards, Lions, Browns, Saints, Ravens. They could all disappear today and that would be cool with me. Plus the Skins could spend more money on the influx of free agents.
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#167160 - 05/14/06 11:30 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the nfl
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Only David Blaine could make that many teams dissappear plus, even though I hate the Cardinals, they are technically the oldest team in the league (older than the Chicago Staleys), I just want to see new owners. Without even breasking out a slide rule, the economics of contraction are against any team folding right now.

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#167161 - 05/14/06 11:34 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the nfl
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That the Cardinals ownership have purported to field an NFL caliber team for ohhh, the last 70 years or so now should be prosecuted as fraud. I admit, with a new stadium and top dollar (slightly aged) running back, they just might make the playoffs. I would be happy for them, I just might be able to see them in a home game on television, they've been blacked out for the last 5 years , you know.
However, this team is so snakebitten, or has accrued such bad karma that I am certain that the before next February the current optimism will have vanished like a mirage in the West Valley.

* Concussion
* Torn ACL(s)
* Completely unlikely and punishing Act of God

Remember these words, for at least one of these three afflictions will be catastrophically visited upon the Cardinals this year. The best/saddest part will be watching Denny Green's tenuous grasp on sanity come unglued with some seismic paint-peeling meltdown. He'll be back in Iowa City coaching the shot-put and discus at City High by next track season. Fuck the Cardinals' skinflint owner and his family, fuck them in their stupid asses. They will break your heart.

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#167162 - 05/14/06 11:38 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the nfl
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I was just fuckin around. The League will never contract there is too much money at stake. The Cards just need to spend money on players and spend it wisely. Its a great area and good fans they just need to fork over the coin and get a competitive team.
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#167163 - 05/14/06 11:40 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the nfl
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#167164 - 05/14/06 11:45 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the nfl
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I was just fuckin around. The League will never contract there is too much money at stake.




I have dreams of the Cardinals marching off to the L.A. market leaving our kick-ass new stadium with 4 or 5 suitor teams who'd move here instantly, begging for terms.

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The Cards just need to spend money on players and spend it wisely. Its a great area and good fans they just need to fork over the coin and get a competitive team.




The Cards have done just that in this off-season. My point is that I sense impending disaster, a collapse, a letdown. That is simply what the local fan has come to expect with this ownership regime. It really is that bad.

Edit to add: Sorry for the hijack, yes Carson Palmer is good, not the best, and that his injury happened as it did and when it did was bullshit. That's all I gotta say about that.


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#167165 - 05/15/06 12:04 AM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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I have dreams of the Cardinals marching off to the L.A. market leaving our kick-ass new stadium with 4 or 5 suitor teams who'd move here instantly, begging for terms.



We dont want the Cardinals or the Saints for that matter. L.A is still without a team. How can Houston be awarded a franchise before the second largest market does? The City of LA doesnt want to spend money on a stadium. The NFL doesnt want to use the Coliseum. Personally, I think the Cardinals will win the Super Bowl before we get another team.
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#167166 - 05/15/06 12:05 AM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the nfl
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I have dreams of the Cardinals marching off to the L.A. market leaving our kick-ass new stadium with 4 or 5 suitor teams who'd move here instantly, begging for terms.




That would definately shift the bad karma over to LA. The only problem is only a bad/unsuccesful team would replace them like the NO 'Aints

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...I sense impending disaster, a collapse, a letdown. That is simply what the local fan has come to expect with this ownership regime. It really is that bad.




I hear ya. Injuries are unpredictable. The cards offense is legit this year though. As long as K Warner stays healthy (crossed fingers) they will score a lot of TD's. The defense might be a problem if they can't stop the other team. I don't know enough about the Cards to say if their D is good or not. But as a non-Arizonian they are much improved.
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#167167 - 05/15/06 12:12 AM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the nfl
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Tom Brady is the best in the league right now. Give him a decent running back and home field advantage in the playoffs and will see how good Carson/or any other QB is.
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#167168 - 05/15/06 12:12 AM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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I think the Cardinals will win the Super Bowl




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#167169 - 05/15/06 07:32 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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We dont want the Cardinals or the Saints for that matter. L.A is still without a team. How can Houston be awarded a franchise before the second largest market does? The City of LA doesnt want to spend money on a stadium. The NFL doesnt want to use the Coliseum. Personally, I think the Cardinals will win the Super Bowl before we get another team.



Be glad you guys don't have a team. It will be impossible for your market to blacked-out. Living in San Diego, back in the day, when they sucked, no one would go to the stadium so they would get blacked-out.

The League also puts on games that coincide with the area you live in. So San Diego gets to see the AGC West games, Chicago would see NFC North games, etc... That part was great, got to see my Chiefs play, but they aren't going anywhere this year, defense look awful
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#167170 - 05/15/06 07:44 PM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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ty law's so slow now, he'll still get you 6-8 picks just by being so crafty and just mugging the fuck out of wideouts coming off the line. expensive, you're lucky to have him.
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#167171 - 05/16/06 12:54 AM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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We dont want the Cardinals or the Saints for that matter. L.A is still without a team. How can Houston be awarded a franchise before the second largest market does? The City of LA doesnt want to spend money on a stadium. The NFL doesnt want to use the Coliseum. Personally, I think the Cardinals will win the Super Bowl before we get another team.



Be glad you guys don't have a team. It will be impossible for your market to blacked-out. Living in San Diego, back in the day, when they sucked, no one would go to the stadium so they would get blacked-out.

The League also puts on games that coincide with the area you live in. So San Diego gets to see the AGC West games, Chicago would see NFC North games, etc... That part was great, got to see my Chiefs play, but they aren't going anywhere this year, defense look awful
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We get stuck with alot of Raider games and few Ram games as well. The NFL thinks LA still cares about those teams. Only good thing is we always get a double-header.
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#167172 - 05/16/06 06:00 AM Re: carson palmer is the best quarterback in the n
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Tom Brady is the best in the league right now. Give him a decent running back and home field advantage in the playoffs and will see how good Carson/or any other QB is.





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