while i admire your research, you're just corroborating that we've got a number of submarines, none of which being listed as "boomers" in the gulf. i already said that was the case.
ohios are boomers, LA's are the kid's size. the former is meant primarily to launch lots of missiles from long-range without the burden of engaging coastal aircraft, other subs, etc. LA's are the smaller submarines with the ability to fuck other subs and ships up as well as launch a bunch of missiles. i said small=in gulf, big=outside, the articles confirm it with no mention of "boomers". when we've launched missiles from them at the middle-east it's easier to do it from outside gulf waters and they're on a long-leash given the range of their missiles. again:i said, attack subs-in gulf, ohios as silos away from the action. you said: i'm going to research stuff that agrees with james then try to form an argument from it.

you said: collisions were frequent and an inherent problem with submarining shallow waters in wartime. you'd be wrong, there are tons of first-time crew going out there yearly and we've had no damaged subs, just some dead japanese fishermen in the way of stuff you DON"T DO in hostile waters, like decide to breach for the fuck of it. the subs in the gulf are staying down and as undetectable as possible in combat and either engaging or avoiding other vessels as hostile.

two minor scrapes screwing around during months at sea in peacetime in a decade with smaller submarines really says there ISN'T an issue with vulnerability to collision.

the serious submarine accidents of the last decade or so, as i said in my prior post don't include us, russia's got impressive designs and duct-tape for upkeep and everyone else has stuff technologically-comprable to the 60's-era subs. ours were bored kids drilling without paying attention and hot-dogging, that doesn't happen in war and the subs aren't coming up much.