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#151975 - 03/12/06 07:03 AM
About the condom use
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Hello my friends ! It´s a great pleasure to be here ! I´m inviting all of you to talk about this subject. Why almost 100% of the porn world is used to avoid the condom use ? Is this an answer to a costumers demand ? If it´s right...what a dangerous answer ! Don´t you agree ? Almost crazy in my point of view. How many performers payed, or are paying, a high price in consequence ?  Some may say 'Nobody is forced to do this...it´s a free choice !' Sure, you´re right...but I still think 'What a strange free choice'.  Others would talk about the anti-HIV testings. I think it´s not reliable. Twice we had problems...at Marc Wallice´s crisis and, nowadays, Dareen James. Let´s talk about a country like Brazil. Do you know that in the beginning of Brazil´s porn market almost 100% of the videos were with condoms ? But the arrival of Evil Angel changed that. Shemale videos increased the problem. Nowadays we had one suicide HIV+ tranny and, at least, one HIV+ female put in the beginning of James´problem.  What do you think about it ? Are you pro or against condoms ?
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#151976 - 03/12/06 09:27 AM
Fantasyland next right
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you are fueling someones liberal attitude that condoms are 100% effective at all times. but alas condoms like testing FAIL....just like I have said before.....if you cant stand the heat stay out of the kitchen....
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#151977 - 03/12/06 12:22 PM
Re: About the condom use
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I'm against the use of condoms in adult movies. When I'm watching an adult movie I want to see people having real sex. Real sex involves skin to skin contact between the penis of the man and the pussy/ass of the woman. Condoms prevent that skin to skin contact. Also condoms are visually distracting from the action.
When I'm watching adult movies I want to see women who are willing to do everything. They must have no boundaries. A performer who doesn't want to have sex without condoms isn't willing to do everything in my opinion. It's the same thing with creampies. When there are creampies in a movie I want to see real creampies and no fake ones. If you don't want to do a creampie as a performer don't do it, but also don't fake it.
Porn movies aren't mainstream movies. I think, that many people are watching adult movies, because they show you sexual practices which aren't acceptable for large parts of the society. Is it acceptable for a woman to have anal sex with four men at the same time without condoms? No. Is it hot to watch? Yes.
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#151978 - 03/12/06 01:31 PM
Re: Say no to dingers.
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AC Cream Wannabe
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Yeah I find nothing more unerotic than condoms in a porno.
I know in RL everyone should wear dingers all the time, and they probably should in porno too.
But as its been said many times in the industry fans just don't like them at all.
Except maybe in a novelty context, like jizz in it, and the girl drinks it. Doesn't do it for me, but neither does bukkake or facials.
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#151979 - 03/12/06 01:53 PM
Re: Fantasyland next right
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you are fueling someones liberal attitude that condoms are 100% effective at all times. but alas condoms like testing FAIL....just like I have said before.....if you cant stand the heat stay out of the kitchen....
My friend your opinion is 100% important but I disagree. I´m sure that even parcial protection is better than no protection...and condoms, if you know HOW to use them, are able to give substancial protection.
For example...you know that NET viruses are all around our PCs waiting the right time to strike. They´re unbeatble but we´re still using anti-viruses programs.  They don´t give 100% safety but we´re still using them.
Another one...when a soldier is going to a war. They use extra protection against bullets even when everybody knows that they aren´t 100% effective.
It´s only MY opinion. 
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#151980 - 03/12/06 02:05 PM
Re: Say no to dingers.
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Yeah I find nothing more unerotic than condoms in a porno.
I know in RL everyone should wear dingers all the time, and they probably should in porno too.
But as its been said many times in the industry fans just don't like them at all.
Except maybe in a novelty context, like jizz in it, and the girl drinks it. Doesn't do it for me, but neither does bukkake or facials.
My friend this is the point !
Like fellow bluey wrote. It´s related to fantasy. In porn we´re watching performers doing 'extra' sexual action. Condom is unerotic ? Yes, I have to agree. But, as you said, in our RL it´s veeeeeeeeeery useful to use it.
The pressure of industry fans really exists...now I´m understanding it. 
But.......life goes on 
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#151981 - 03/12/06 02:14 PM
Re: Fantasyland next right
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Yes Heyyou porn is about fantasy. When I'm watching porn I don't wanna see any rubbers which are distracting from the action. I wanna see beautiful women and nasty sex.  If you wanna play in a gonzo movie you know as a performer that you can't use condoms. That's the reality. If you don't wanna perform without condoms you shouldn't play in adult movies.
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#151984 - 03/13/06 04:42 PM
Re: About the condom use
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AC Cream Wannabe
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I was thinking about it, and for me at least its not even the fact its not "dirty" when a chick fucks a guy without a condom and plays the AIDS lottery.
That doesn't worry me.
I think its quite visually unappealing. And that is where the problem is.
If there were invisible condoms that you couldn't see or know where there, I wouldn't care if the guy wore ten.
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#151985 - 03/13/06 05:02 PM
Re: About the condom use
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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bluey & Cumfiend, I understand your opinion. But I keep on disagreeing. Ok, ok, I know that a girl or guy working in porn industry must be prepared to take the high risks....and maybe the heavy price of their choices. It´s like an alpinist, a policeman, a 'deep diver'...a dangerous job. But, talking about porn industry, we can decrease this danger. The problem sounds more psychological as our friend Jack Mehoff wrote. It´s a matter of be used to condoms use. I agree with Porno Dan...and I think that it will become more and more popular through the years.
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#151987 - 03/14/06 12:05 PM
Re: About the condom use
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I think that there's a big difference between feature movies and gonzo movies. Feature movies are more couples orientated. So condoms are less distracting there. In gonzo movies there's no storyline, there are no costumes, there is only sex. When I'm watching a gonzo movie I want to see hot and nasty sex acts. Nothing has to distract from these sex scenes. No story and no condoms. In a good gonzo movies the performers are willing to do everything. So I'd like to see lots of anal sex and also some ass to mouth, gaping and sometimes a creampie. It's my opinion that when condoms are used the scene is ruined.
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#151989 - 03/14/06 04:50 PM
Re: About the condom use
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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Porn is about fantasy. When was the last time you fantasized about sex and it included putting on a condom?
The industry protects itself with self-imposed mandatory STD testing. Because of this there has only been ONE case of HIV being transmitted in the last decade! This is a per capita rate far far far below the general public.
(and that one case was because someone got stupid in Brazil and then continued to be stupid once he returned, but testing caught it before it spread. If only the real world was as proactive.)
I would fuck almost any female porn starlet bareback long before I would take that same risk out in the non-porn world.
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#151992 - 03/16/06 07:58 AM
Re: About the condom use
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I guess I wasnt clear in what I was tryin to say but if you look at the aim website it states that sucking dick is just as bad as fucking it without a rubber....now if that was the case outside of the girls that wernt on the pill why not just do it all with condoms.....sucking and fucking.....
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#151996 - 03/16/06 11:28 AM
Re: About the condom use
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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There is no documented case of anyone ever contacting HIV through receiving oral sex
porno dan,
when the girl snorted cum did she actually "snort it" and did it go down her throat or did she just pretend to? did it make her nose bleed? did it make her eyes get all watery?
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#151997 - 03/16/06 02:05 PM
Re: About the condom use
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There is no documented case of anyone ever contacting HIV through receiving oral sex
ok.....but according to the aim website.....lol
remember it comes froms Gods mouth and is passed on to the leader of aim....Dr. Mitch. She knows ALL!!!
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#151998 - 03/16/06 02:42 PM
Re: About the condom use
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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There is no documented case of anyone ever contacting HIV through receiving oral sex
Any stats on HIV risk from intranasal use of semen? Couldn't find em on the WHO website for some reason... 
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#152000 - 03/17/06 09:57 AM
Re: About the condom use
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Porn Jesus
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There is no documented case of anyone ever contacting HIV through receiving oral sex
Perhaps. I don't know.
But this chart in a paper published by the CDC gives a non-zero estimate of risk. This is taken from a 2002 paper I've never been able to track down.
As for Heyyou's earlier comment:
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I´m sure that even parcial protection is better than no protection...and condoms, if you know HOW to use them, are able to give substancial protection.
The problem is that condoms aren't good enough to rely on in porn. When you start multiplying out the failure rates against the number of scenes the performers do condoms simply aren't enough to keep the performers HIV-.
If you could do both testing *and* condoms then you would increase the odds, but I can't see people continuing to emphasize (expensive, inconvenient) testing if condoms are used.
Right now any performer can refuse to work with a partner without a test and nobody is going to complain about it. But if condoms became mandatory I suspect, at least at the lower-tier companies, there would be pressure to work with people whose test turned out to be slightly out-of-date, or perhaps some hot newbie whose test hadn't come back yet. I can imagine T.T. Boy saying “This is her first scene! She's from Kansas! You'll use a condom! Don't make me can the shoot!†Not to mention performers who might be more willing to present a fake test to save a few bucks (that happens some already, though rarely).
It's worth noting that gay porn uses condoms and refuses to do testing, and it's widely assumed there are a lot of HIV+ performers in gay porn - after all, nobody will stop you from continuing to perform after you become HIV+, because nobody will know, and if there's a reservoir of HIV+ amongst performers it will spread some over time through condom failure. Indeed I'm not sure they try to keep on HIV+ guys out of the performer pool in the first place.
To suggest condoms are the answer you really have to show that gay porn is somehow safer than straight porn, and the evidence doesn't exist. Based on the obituaries it certainly hasn't been true in the past.
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#152001 - 03/17/06 01:26 PM
Re: About the condom use
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ADT regular
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The problem is that condoms aren't good enough to rely on in porn. When you start multiplying out the failure rates against the number of scenes the performers do condoms simply aren't enough to keep the performers HIV-. If you could do both testing *and* condoms then you would increase the odds, but I can't see people continuing to emphasize (expensive, inconvenient) testing if condoms are used.
As I've said earlier I'm against the use of condoms in adult movies. The only "safe sex" is no sex. Also condoms can fail. It's also a fact that most adult movies don"t have condoms. So that's a clear signal that most porn viewers don't want condoms in their movies. So it's very important that all performers get tested regularly to minimize the risks as much as possible. How many people get tested like pornstars every month?
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#152003 - 03/18/06 07:58 PM
Re: About the condom use
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AC Cream Wannabe
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I came across a statistic in one of the weekend news mags over here.
[my emphasis]
Chances of becoming pregnant while using a condom correctly once a week over a year: 3 per cent;
with typical once-a-week usage: 10 per cent.
I think for HIV/AIDS IIRC the statistic is 98% effective, and I'm assuming that's with correct usage. Multiply this by doing however many chicks on however many shoots on however many days and its suprising HIV isn't rampant. If I also RC there is a 6 month window before HIV shows up in testing.
Pretty scarey stuff.
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