Again, you and phlog have subdued me by the length of replies.

But pretty much everything you have both said is "American Stereotype V.1". How can you argue with ppl who chant meaningless slogans and propoganda? Who are so defensive and hateful anything but kill kill kill is unacceptable?

Would you try to reason with a muslim screaming "Allah akbar" wildly and praising Osama? Probably not. I wouldn't. So I like to think I fall in the middle of the two extremes of both sides. I do like to think it would be easier to reason with ppl such as yourselves, but you make it hard.

So in short, yes, it is very difficult to argue with ppl who are so dogmaticly entrained.

And I say again, its very hard to see the wood for the trees when you have ppl standing in front of you flapping away and sticking their hands over your eyes.



This is an American source that came up first from google. From msnbc which you can't say is overly left wing. I'm not sure about the author. He might be a left-wing fly-by-nighter, he sounds a bit like it, but there's plenty of other stuff on it.

http://msnbc.com/news/190144.asp?cp1=1

I thought it was a pretty widely acknowledged "fact" that Osama received CIA funding, but I'm suprised that it is not. I mean so what if he did? It was convinient at the time.

But my point is that its quite hypocritical and totally reinforces my point of hero or zero depends on what side of the US administration you sit on today.

Again I suspect more smoke and mirrors and propoganda and historical revisionism for the times we live in.


So at this point in time at least, I can't be bothered going through point by point.

But as I say, give it five years and re-read what I've written and see how much of it is true.

The US government, media moguls such as Rupert Murdoch [you can have him] and the US military have become quite expert at spin-doctoring. So it absolutely no suprise to me that many Americans still believe things that are clearly untrue.

We can see it in the cultural output of America, which is increasingly all about chest-beating and propoganda. A sign of the times I think.


The US economy is built on its military. Who suffers when the US is not at war? Its military. And its economy. And the companies, ppl and other entities that feed off the US military.

If you can't have a war on [insert word, terrorism, drugs, gangs, teenage delinquents etc etc etc], then how are you going to scare the ppl into submission and compliance?

Free thought and ideas are very very dangerous things.


I'm starting to sound like George Orwell. But 1984 the book , written what, 70 years ago was it? I forget. But anyway its hilarious in its currency, even after all the changes the world has gone through since it was written.


Just have a think about it. Step back, stop thinking I'm attacking America, and just have a few thoughts on a few issues of "what if....".