Ok, I cut down a the number of things a little, I'm typeing more here than at work

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And the BBC is one of the world leaders in objective reporting.



and then you said
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And I say again, anyone who believes anything on FOX is mentally defective.



BBC is one of the most anti-american broadcasting agencis out there. Even the NY Times has had to take a step back and say "Damn, dudes, chill out a little".


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The CIA themselves have documentary evidence of their dealings with the mujahadeen and Osama.



Mujahadeen yes, Osama no. They were not the same, Osama would have killed any American on sight that tried to give him help to fight the Soviets in A-stan. Most of Osamas boys didn't do the fighting, they stayed in northern P-stan and chanted "Death To America" day in and day out.

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Iraq was pretty much a no-go zone for Osama and friends. In fact they hated each other.



You're correct in stating they didn't care for one another, however, they were cozing up to one another. It was that whole "My enemy's enemy is my friend thing".

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Many international law experts would disagree.



Ironically, they all happen to hate Bush.

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And you believe anything else wait say 5 years and see how much comes out about how bad it actually is.



There was a Belgum General came over and toured Gitmo, said we were treating them far better than they would have. A freaking Euro saying we were soft???

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The US is supposed to be the beacon on the hill for modern democracy,



We are, why won't the rest of the world help us bring democracy to Iraq? Because they hate Bush so much it prevents them from looking at the big picture. If the democracies of the world would bind together, and knock off this sillyness Iraq would have calmed down by now.

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al qaeda as you no doubt think are supposed to be evil camel fuckers



They are.

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So why don't we stoop to their level?



We don't.

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The British cracked it with the US from the start with their use of weopons indiscriminantly on civilians. They've killed thousands, often for no good reason.



Man, you got some good weed. [By The Way] What does "cracked it" mean[/By The Way]

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The only time something gets fixed is when the French, British, Germans, Spanish go and do it by themselves.



So I can expect the Iran thing to solved shortly? 3/4 of those countries are supposed to be handling it.

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China is building up its military alarmingly. India and China have emerging middle classes and exploding economies that are sucking investment and technology etc away from the US.

So they are huge threats to the US. Huge. In fact they threaten to topple the US as a world power. Its hard to maintain military power when you have a destroyed economy.



You are correct in china's buildup. But intentions are harder to decipher than counting tanks. You stated in your post about the Chinese middle class is exploding. That sort of thing creates pressure to democratize**. **Disclaimer: Hopefully.

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Asks the Japs



Stationed there for 2 years, not a problem with population.

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Phillipinos



We left when they demanded too much money for their bases, they wanted us there.

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Saudis



Again, they invited us in. From the civillian point of view, they need us there to run their businesses, and other technical things. Most Saudis, who get degrees, get them in "Religous Studies" which isn't helpful in business/medicene/technical/etc. And most find that type of work demeaning so we do. AAAAhhhh Saudi Arabia, a bastion of religous tolerance.
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Australians



Don't know, never been there. I'm not evan sure if we've have/had any US military presence there long term, beyond port calls.

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Cubans



Fidel doesn't like us there, don't know about the population in general though. Dictators are funny like that, sometimes(always) don't think of the people the "represent".

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its fine for America to be big and noble when it suits them, but when something 10 times worse is happening its turn a blind eye time. Get it???



To some degree, hopefully you can get this. Everytime we do something, somebody on this planet, of roughtly 6 billion people, is going to get pissed off. EXAMPLE: Stop a brutal war in Africa, and the dictator who started it will be pissed off at us, then you will start screaming about bad we are. In short, we can't please all of the people all of time. You only listen to the ones that we can't please.

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Well, again I say I think of all the American "interventions" I can think of, it was the most succesful in a number of key areas.



Generally it was.

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Iraq didn't have an awful lot of terrorists b4 it was invaded.



Yes it did, many groups trained there. Very Well Documented(beside Fox News).

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Do you even know how many countries there are in Europe? Do you know how many governments are right-wing? Do you know what right-wing means?

You're just stabbing blindly because you hate Europe.



More or less, I don't keep a running tally in my head. Right-wing means oppressing everyone, stealing everything, and killing lots of people for money right. Whoops forgot the [sarcasm] tags. I don't hate Europe, just disappointed. Its a continent with so much potential, yet all they care about is their "social justice". They could compete head on with America, but they're more concerned their August vacation.

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Democrats left-wing? Hardly these days.

Bush and friends dragged politics in America and around the world to new lows. No new low is too low apparently.



Nope, started with the Robert Bork nomination and went down hill from there.

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So I'll take your word for it. Are you a debt based economy like Australia? Are you running a record deficit etc? I'm not sure.



You can take my word for it. We are a DEBT based economy big time. Another one of my critisms of the Republican party is the way they're spending.

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Isn't Bush supposed to be the head cheese? And such a disaster shouldn't it be led federally?



Yes, and the second is sorta. Thats one of the reasons it got fucked up. Divisions of responsibilities weren't as clear as they should have been, coupled with some bad info.

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There's always big ships in Perth anyway.



For some reason, I thought you lived in Melbourne??? No idea why I thought that??

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We get highly subsidised drugs here. That will be removed piece by piece. In many respects all the good things about Australia will be removed as we become more like America. Healthcare and so on I mean. $70 for a bandaid. A lot of healthcare here is free of subsidised



Not sure how your medical system is run. It doesn't cost us $70 for a bandaid. In fact, most medical cost are pretty reasonable, its when you get something like cancer prices hit the roof. All in all I would say our medical care is better here than in Canada/Europe. Its cheaper there(people go there to get the drugs), but we get better service here(people come here to be treated). Kinda Weird.

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Everything you've said so far has been "Bush 101"



Not really, I've critisized him and praised, its you who hasn't stopped the critism. I have demenostrated my objectivity. Show yous. State something you think Bush has done right in the national/international arena.

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My point about it was that US style democracy will fail in most parts of the world. Especially when ppl know its all crooked



Are you saying democracy in general, or American-style. I wasn't aware there was a differance. Democracy is when they have the right to choose their own government. If you are so against democracy what form of gov't should the people have?

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have you ever had Jehovah's Witnesses come to your door?



Yea, I was wearing a Death Metal T-shirt one of my brothers loaned me, they never came back.

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So I say, from an objective and informed viewpoint as most ppl could possible have, much of what you say is simply going to be proved wrong.



Objective in liberal kool-aid drinking sort of way.

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When you actually defend FOX, stick up for Bush almost all the time, it shows exactly where you are coming from. And if you cannot see exactly that, even deep down, then you are kidding yourself.



When Fox offers(and follows though) by bringing on their critics and letting them have their say it goes a long way with me. They read emails on the air critisizeing them. As far as Bush goes I've critisized/praised him when he did a bad/good job. I've shown objectivity. You have not. All your studies have revolved around left wing thinking. Go get some books by the right wing so you can get some perspective.... It'll help you win some of these debates

P.S. About invading SA. I think we should, seriously. Their "version" of Islam is Wahabbi and its pretty violent/oppressive.

P.P.S. The editings way worse in this one.
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