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Also: it appears that more prisoners have died in the UN's war crimes tribunal jails than have died in Guantanamo. Where's Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch? Imagine the protests if a Guantanamo prisoner conveniently died of "natural causes" before trial.

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That area of the world has been a disaster of perpetual warfare between rival ethnicities long before Slobodan came around, but he deserves condemnation for playing a role in it as do many others.

I give him credit for fighting Islamic terror before Americans realized it might affect us one day as well, and before most people knew Al-Qaeda even existed. I also wouldn't shed a tear for the "poor quiet muslims who couldn't spell Jihad", since that is the same stock which produced the 9/11 hijackers, mostly in Saudi Arabia. As I don't shed a tear for the rich plutocratic ones who produced Osama himself. I see no difference between Muslims and Muslims, but I embrace my political incorrectness.

Agreed on all the rest, and I did use the term Western pretty looseley when referring to Slobodan. He was pro-Russian beyond any doubt. However, his people were of European stock and practiced Western religion, which is the reason for my usage of Western.

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Thanks for a measured and honest response.

Firstly, regarding Gitmo, and I have no doubt you have strong views, but if anyone died would anyone ever find out? There are so many problems with Gitmo it is hard to describe in words. What about the snatch and grabs happening all over the world where ppl are never heard of again? What about the summary executions of citizens of sovereign nations by predator drones. Yemen for example? What about the missing and dead in Iraq at the hands of US soldiers, contractors and US backed Iraqi forces?

So that's a bit of a red herring. You can't take the moral high ground then take the low road when it suits you. That's a general observation of recent history and all time history.

The old defence of "yeah sure, Slobbie killed 100 000 civilians, we only killed 99 000" is a bit on the nose.

So that's Gitmo vs The Hague. Who knows who is in there? Who knows is flying around Europe and other US allies like Egypt at any one time? Who'd notice? Who'd listen?

Nobody knows.


Yep, the Balkans has long been the cradle of war in Europe. Many pundits predict / predicted the Third World War to spin out of there. The fact Tito managed to keep it under control for so long was a miracle. But Slobbie as I say did his best, and succeded, in agitating nationalists to the point where he had what he wanted; an excuse to attack the Croats and the muslims.

Western I was just refering as "modern world". Russians practice Christianity, as do Serbs. But in many respects that is where the parallels end.


As for for the muslim comments, there are what, over a billion of them worldwide. I read a statistic somewhere that 2% [might have been more, I forget] of African-Americans are muslims / muslim converts. That's a big number.

Only a small number of them are blowing things up. Their US army units for instance.

So say for instance your father decides one day he wants to try Islam. He's still you father. He probably doesn't want to blow the shit out of things.

That describes a good number of muslims I think. Religion is like a snickers bar, lots of nuts in everyone.



I know you have an anti-Europe anti-muslim bent, but you do what you can.