Just for giggles;

There's nothing on this site that doesn't make me giggle.


I have been to your country several times, and many of the people I met don't share your opinion. And not a single one ever presented an opinion such as you have. As a point of conversation, most hated the new gun ban law forced on them by their benevolent government.
I also would would try to find some stats dated later than 1973 to bolster my point, If I were on your side of the discussion. A lot of things change in 33 years.

I'm buggered if I know where you've been hanging out. Redneck Gun Owners Of Northern Queensland or somewhere? There was overwhelming support for the post Port-Arthur gun ban except for in small sections of the community such as some farmers and some gun enthusiasts.

Any straw poll you conduct will be supportive of gun control in this country.

You're not secretly james are you? Again, it was a very quick google to illustrate a point. Which was why I qualified it with an nb as well as saying no doubt someone will post conflicting figures etc.


And yes, I'm happy we, both, live where we do.

Good, because you scare me.


Oh and as far as being a police officer "over there" , your answer to the question about their professionalism in their use of the Queens English; depends on the color of their skin? That's what made the story smack of BS, or maybe the police, you speak of in that story, are just that unprofessional.

I knew you'd say that. Its so symptomatic of America. And reinforces what I say about guns in US society.

No, nothing to do with the colour of their skin. 5 huge grown men shouting out "Don't shoot don't shoot" with all their arms out of the car is a bit of a puzzling phenomenon around here.

And if as you say you've ever been a policeman, I'd be very suprised if you treated and spoke to some lovely old lady the same way as someone who'd just tried to run you down with their car. "Fuck" and other slang is effective when used in context.


And you are correct a lot of people kill other people with guns, a lot of people kill themselves with guns, and way too many officers are killed in the line of duty; with guns. So by your way of thinking guns are bad. I can respect that, understand it no. Respect it yes.

But let's carry on to all deaths.....
More people are killed in cars in a week than are killed by guns in a year. Cars are bad?

More people commit suicide with prescription drugs in a year than are killed with guns. Prescription drugs are bad?

More people are killed with everyday items, knives, baseball bats, fists, hammers, ice picks, blunt objects ect...than are killed with guns. They all must be bad too.

Where do we stop the banning?

Well we can't ban cars, I bet you need them.

We can't ban prescription drugs; I bet you have needed them from time to time.

And we can't ban all the rest, there would be nothing left to work with.

You see, to me, it has nothing to do with the gun, it has to do with people, and people tend to be hard to regulate.
Bad people will always find a way to prey on the weak, blaming guns is just, in my opinion, a cop out.

But hey that's just my opinion.


See I can see the allure and seduction of guns. My car got broken into out front of my house, like 5 metres away from the bedroom window a couple of nights ago. If I privately owned a gun and I was an average Joe I would well have been tempted to use it.

But cars serve a purpose. Transport, not killing.

Drugs too. Medication.



The guns sole purpose, from its inception, is about killing. Animals, ppl. There are of course some sporting shooters, clay targets etc, but they are highly regulated here too.

So everyone can own a tank? A nuclear missile? An F-16? An aircraft carrier?


I have very little faith in human nature to not use a gun.

Guns have been shown to make killing psychologically easier. It removes you from the victim. Other tools such as knives etc do not.



As I say, I can how guns are seductive. They're powerful, they make little ppl big men. But the paradox of groups like the NRA etc is they love law enforcement and long prison terms etc, but then advocate a free and easy liberal approach on gun ownership.

The old line "Guns don't kill ppl, ppl kill ppl" is all very well, but I know its a lot easier to kill a person from ten metres away with a handgun in all respects than it is to kill them from 0 metres away with a club, a knife etc.


Ppl need protection from themselves. Which is why we have governemnts, police etc. Putting such a deadly tool in the hands of all sorts of ppl is just plain crazy.