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#149886 - 02/28/06 11:06 PM
Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/02/05
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Intimacy...knowing your partner as well as you know yourself. It is what truly cements a relationship between a man and a woman. What her favorite fragrance is, what his favorite desert is, why she hates tall buildings, why he won't let you play with his ass during sex. All aspects of intimacy. It used to be that sexual relations was the cornerstone to intimacy in a relationship, but that has been erased thanks to today's over-the-top Circus Atmosphere Pornography. As I have been reading lukeisback and observing the wonderful sharing of intimacy between Luke and Holly, I am both amazed and dismayed, simply because it is set against the backdrop of pornography.
Luke and Holly are lucky...their sex life will forever always be theres, apart from what specific details Luke chooses to publish on his website. In other words, if Luke and Holly ever decide to have anal intercourse, it will not be on film for all the world to share in and see. What's more, since Holly does not perform in Pornographic films, Luke is only sharing, in a limited fashion, whatever sexual relations he has with Holly with her previous lovers, which is a limited number of men. If Holly had been having sex on Film, Luke would basically be sharing her with the world, for we would all be vicariously having sex with Holly by watching these films, no doubt rubbing our gonads in a rapid up and down manner until climax was reached. In a word, Luke would be 'robbed' of this intimate aspect of his relationship.
I think of several specific porn chicks (out of many) I have seen on film, who I may have liked to possibly get to know better, perhaps even date. I have seen them with all manner and combinations of male partners, with multiple penis' in their orifices, getting doused by dozens of loads at a time...I have seen men ejaculating right inside their vaginas in what is known as "internal creampies"...this used to be known as 'making love/producing children'. I feel robbed....even though I may still like these specific individual women for their personalities and other qualities, I will never truly know what it is like to be sexually intimate with them. Because when I am finally in a position to be busting a nut inside them, I will have to reconcile the fact that at that moment, all around the world, thousands of men are ALSO vicariously doing it to her through the pornographic movies she made.
I am truly a member of a global village, thanks to Pornography...I feel very exposed right now. And robbed....
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#149888 - 02/28/06 11:19 PM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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#149890 - 03/01/06 05:28 AM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
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Shouldn't this be moved to "Talent for Hire", where only Chico has to read it?
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#149892 - 03/02/06 07:51 PM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 02/08/05
Posts: 36
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Nope.
When you have this intimate relationship with a pornstar, I hope it's different from jacking off or performing on a porn set, for both your sakes.
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#149896 - 03/07/06 02:13 AM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Registered: 09/06/03
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If there's any robbing going on, its more so the performer allowing the industry to extract their ability to engage in any bit of intimacy.
We are our own dignity extractors by willingly getting down on our knees, looking up with the look of no soul in our eyes, opening wide, AHH. 
Thank goodness for Gen and all the other girls in porn!!! 
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#149899 - 03/07/06 06:27 PM
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 05/06/05
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I'm not sure if my vote counts since I don't perform in front of the cameras, but I don't feel it's made my love life any less intimate at all.
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#149900 - 03/07/06 08:29 PM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 02/02/06
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What cements a relationship between a man and a woman is mutual respect and trust. A man and woman can meet, fall in love, and have a mutually fullfiling relationship without being physically intimate [ie. having sex]. It's emotional and intellectual intimacy that forms the bedrock of longlasting relationships. Sex is a purely physical act [albeit a thoroughly enjoyable one]. Pornography doesn't rob anyone of anything... intimacy, dignity or otherwise. Under the best of circumstances it can enhance a physical relationship, and only becomes an obstacle when people let their own jealousy and possesiveness take control. And although that kind of caveman mentality is understandable, it's a little impractical in an age when more and more women are challenging the double-standard that labels them "whores" for displaying behavior that men are typically admired for. As far as Luke and Holly are concerned, all I can say is... Jesus Christ Holly, come on! 
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#149901 - 03/08/06 12:55 AM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/02/05
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I'm not sure if my vote counts since I don't perform in front of the cameras, but I don't feel it's made my love life any less intimate at all.
That was my point...you are right on the edge, the pareto efficient intersection, of where porn can help or harm, add to or rob, a relationship betwixt a man and a woman. You and Luke, BECAUSE you merely make and write about explicit, filthy pornography and not ACTUALLY perform in it...can reap the benefits of doing/reenacting all the things you see everyday in and around the porn sets you are on...and NO ONE else can see/share in what you do.
Furthermore, on those cold rainy Late Winter nights when Luke has taken a double dose of Viagra and as he is driving Holly's beautiful head into the Oak headboard on her bed, as he plows her lentil beanfield mercilessly like King David after watching Bathsheba play with Mr Bubbles from his rooftop, No One else anywhere on the planet is watching Holly get plowed (and by extension, vicariously plowing Holly through visual fantasy/mental rape enabled by pornographic films...)...so Luke & holly's physical/sexual-spiritual intimacy is kept between themselves....
See Holly, you intuitively understand and express the point of this thread despite your doubts and slightly guilt-ridden conscience....Luke is having a thoroughly Moral Impact upon your heart and mind.... 
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#149906 - 03/09/06 06:03 PM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Porn Jesus
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Holly, I'm sure you are a sweet gal and all, in some ways I think that makes you all the more objectionable. Your sweet veneer and your (parents) winding driveway into the hills hang like a sheen of normalcy over what you actually do.
There can be no doubt that you are a facilitator of destruction in the lives of those you photograph. (Just ask Simp/Luke.) An honorable person of your "position" and intelligence should be forced by conscience alone to refrain from taking advantage of the desperation/stupidity of others.
When you frolic in the fountains of Rome (funded by the profits of your exploitation) do you ever wonder if your "subjects" dreamed of visiting the very spot in which you stand? Or perhaps you do not give them enough credit as human beings and feel a natural separation between your place and theirs.
Like I said, I'm sure you are great to talk to in person and all, but your "act" makes me uncomfortable. The same kind of "uncomfortable" I experience when I imagine living in my parents house in my late 20's.
Jesus Christ, what a fucking "FIRST POST"....and you are taking potshot/jabs at the most erotic female poster on this Porn Board no less! That's bold, and obnoxious too...
I am NOT neccessarily disagreeing with the general point/message of your post, I actually agree with it on the most General Level . . . . But Before you accuse the so called "evil Pornographers" like Holly of being so inherently....um, "evil", you must first direct your examining lens to the two other groups in the "Triad of Porn Abomination", namely the Consumers and the performers.
People like myself, and all consumers of Porn and other Sexual Services/Products (Strippers/Escorts/Crackwhores, etc) are the primary reason such things exist (well, the crackwhore is a stretch, but...).....we create the DEMAND. Just like with drugs...if people didnt want them and were not willing to pay for them, the story would end right there. The human appetite for things like Sex/Orgasms is of such exagerated proportions these days that many otherwise decent, hardworking, able bodied men & women are willing to pay money to have sex, or watch other people having sex.
We live vicariously through video fantasy....I am ABLE to Fantasy Fuck in my head chicks like Christie Lee, Gia Jordan, Hailey Young and a few others by watching them on Video, while simultaneously yanking on my dick, or paying a woman to yank on my dick while imagining that is ME in the video with the aforementioned porn starlets. My NEED, my Appetite for this shit (and the hunreds of Millions of other horny fuckers worldwide) is what DRIVES the Pornographers like Holly to do what they do...and Holly is on the more Artisitic/Erotic end of the "Evil Pornographer" spectrum, even though the "Spectrum" itself is saturated in male reproductive fluids, and CUM has become the "paint" that Artists like Holly Figuratively Use in their portraits....that is to say, the success/merit of Pornography as Erotic Art is measured/gauged by it's ability to elicit CUM from its audience.
AND HERE's The KICKER as far as Consumers are concerned: Deep down, we ALL feel a twang in our conscience, a tinge of regret, of shame, of moral bankruptcy, everytime we whack off to our favorite porn chick/scene. It is TRUE! We all know, deep down, porn is not healthy, even wrong, on some level (at best Porn is INNOCUOUS, otherwise, why do we 'Hide' our movie stashes and magazines? Instead of "Million Dollar Baby" or "Cinderella Man" from Blockbuster, Why wouldnt we show "A Good Source of Iron #5", "Giant Wet Asses" or "Baker's Dozen #6" when we invite our friends over for dinner and a movie?...maybe some of us do....)
But we blot that out, we suppress our conscience and focus on the NOW...on how fucking good it feels NOW... but when we blow our load, those first 10 seconds after we cum, that feeling of "What the fuck is wrong with me?" takes over and we feel stupid, foolish, remorseful....until our Balls start to produce the next load, our dicks start to twitch again and then it's BACK to the Origins of Sin! We tell ourselves it is OK, we are not being sexually selfish compulsively masturbating to pornography instead of sharing ourselves with a loving, committed partner. We are not being morally callous by getting off while viewing the misfortune and immorality of others (i.e. the people fucking on screen.) Our Appetite to watch other's engage in the most debauched sexual circus acts is a chickenshit way to commit SIN...it's like getting someone else to do your dirty work for you, an abrogation of responsibility in the realm of pleasurable, delicious IRRESPONSIBILITY....I wont stick MY OWN penis in some drugged out, diseased woman, but it's ok for me to watch someone ELSE do it, and for me to have an orgasm watching ...
After the CONSUMERS, the next group deserving scorn in the Triad of Pornography are the actual PORN performers, the men and WOMEN who engage in the most unnatural, intense, fucked up sexual antics performed by so-called civilized man since The Orgies of Caligula. The Porn Stars, in particular the women, FORCE themselves to ignore the pangs in their conscience, the little Willy Wonka-like voice inside them saying "Stop, Dont, Come Back..." when they contemplate fucking four guys at once and swallowing their loads, or eating the four load's out of another chick's ass...The Performers who RELISH the fact that, by fucking strangers on film and getting paid decent amounts of money (in the short term), they can be excused from so-called "regular life" responsibilities, like getting up and going to a job that actually produces something people can use, or performs a service that society needs...The Porn Stars who CONVINCE THEMSELVES that it is FUCKING GREAT that they can afford all kinds of durable goods (cars, Shoes, 1000s of Music CDs) and Non-durable goods (Blow, Meth, Pot, Expensive Prescription Drugs to prevent/control Herpes outbreaks, etc) by simply having sex for all the world to see, FOREVER, and that this sex is sometimes actually ENJOYABLE, so they further reason "I am getting paid to have ORGASMS...Isnt this Great? You people who criticize and condemn me are just Jealous!! So What if I have Warts on my ass and my system is resistant to antibiotics because I keep having to take them to fight another STD, thus making me susceptible to all kinds of OTHER non-sexual infections...you dont see the POSITIVE side to this life/business, etc..."
The performers, who use the easy, quick money to buy the drugs they need to medicate their conscience so they can keep making porn to keep getting money to keep buying drugs....and to attend these Monthly PORN parties, where everyone in porn, and a few DESPERATE fans, pretend that what Porn represents is something significant and meaningful, Like the Grammy Awards or the Mail Carriers of America Association Awards, where the Porn Performers' OWN vicarious self absorbed fantasies of mainstream stardom and artisitic success (ala Lockwood's Acting/Punk Music Careers) are "make-believed" for a few hours at places in Hollywood like whereever Sex-z Pictures is having their party tomorrow night. And of course, the ubiquitous, pathetic human characterisitic of Sloth, and the neverending lengths people will go to in order to get something for nothing...Porn Performers, who some people will claim are being exploited, are really attempting to make a lot of money doing what is, when expressed naturally and properly, a pleasurable BIOLOGICAL activity.
Porn and Porn Stars' Lifestyles are out of whack with societal needs, however...if too many people adopt the porn star mantra/style of being totally self absorbed so that all energy and focus is upon oneself, one's appearance (so that Hair/Nail/pedicure appointments are an ABSOLUTE INVIOLABLE priority) and one doesnt engage in ANY Altruistic or philanthrophic activity, just waking & baking followed by selfish day long pursuits like Nordstrom excursions and having drinks at 2:30 pm on a tuesday with other porn starlets, where they try to out-pout and out-preen each other and secretly criticize each other's hair, or agent, or recent movie "role" choices, or sexual act enthusiasm...where porn chicks try to one-up each other by claiming that they almost fucked the lead singer of <insert name of latest hot mainstream band you still have never heard of>, or that one porn chick's "private fan/customer" who is crippled and has money is going to buy her a vibrating, adjustable medical/hospital bed with a built in CD Player/stereo, while another pornchick's sugardaddy is taking her on a vacation to Ireland in May to kiss the blarney stone .... and then culminating in night time drunken/stoned orgies and passing out only to wake and bake the next day all over again...well then society is in fact, FUCKED in its under age 30 demographic pooper)
No, I am sorry....Evil Pornographers Like Holly Randall are NOT the primary Culprits here...I rate the pornographers as number 3 on the "Porn Evil Triad" chart, Behind CONSUMERS/FANS (me) and PERFORMERS....
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#149909 - 03/09/06 11:54 PM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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ADT regular
Registered: 03/08/06
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DA - off the hop, from what I know of you (which is reading on these boards) I like you. I really have to laugh though when you accuse a poster on something called xxxporntalk, in the monkey cage no less, of being obnoxious.
I want to try and keep this brief, which is tough based on the length of your post.
To be clear - I never called anyone "evil". And I am not splitting hairs. I am not disturbed by Holly's evil tendencies, I am disturbed by her hypocrisy. She garners financial reward from general debauchery without ever getting her hands dirty (yes, I know she lubes the dildo's.) The part that is especially disturbing is that this is not even a venture of her own creation - her mother pulled her/propped her up in the biz!
I appreciate that in your defense of Holly you state that you agree with my premise. I return the favor in acknowledging yours. However...
In your particular case you are clearly defensive. This is understandable as you have a form of "relationship" with Holly. I think the bigger factor here though is that you, like her have crossed the line. You are now in the same boat in that you are profiting from acts committed by others that you would never yourselves partake in. Holly directly by capturing it for eternity and a "paycheque", and you by building a certain level of social interaction and notoriety.
DA, you are a smart man. Smarter than to blame the victim. Smarter that to take some circuitous route of logic that both condemns and exonerates you. Porn is what it is, and pornographers, no matter how many cocktail dresses they own are pornographers. These are the people that you should be describing as those that don't want the hassle of a regular job, enjoy getting drunk at 2:30 in the afternoon (btw, what the fuck is wrong with that) and boastfully profit from orgasms (the male version of anyway). I know you are smarter than to actually believe the bluster and bravado presented by 18 year old girls as they try and rationalize how and why they have ended up where they are.
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#149910 - 03/10/06 12:24 AM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/02/05
Posts: 5750
Loc: ATLANTIC CITY
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DA - off the hop, from what I know of you (which is reading on these boards) I like you. I really have to laugh though when you accuse a poster on something called xxxporntalk, in the monkey cage no less, of being obnoxious.
I want to try and keep this brief, which is tough based on the length of your post.
To be clear - I never called anyone "evil". And I am not splitting hairs. I am not disturbed by Holly's evil tendencies, I am disturbed by her hypocrisy. She garners financial reward from general debauchery without ever getting her hands dirty (yes, I know she lubes the dildo's.) The part that is especially disturbing is that this is not even a venture of her own creation - her mother pulled her/propped her up in the biz!
I appreciate that in your defense of Holly you state that you agree with my premise. I return the favor in acknowledging yours. However...
In your particular case you are clearly defensive. This is understandable as you have a form of "relationship" with Holly. I think the bigger factor here though is that you, like her have crossed the line. You are now in the same boat in that you are profiting from acts committed by others that you would never yourselves partake in. Holly directly by capturing it for eternity and a "paycheque", and you by building a certain level of social interaction and notoriety.
DA, you are a smart man. Smarter than to blame the victim. Smarter that to take some circuitous route of logic that both condemns and exonerates you. Porn is what it is, and pornographers, no matter how many cocktail dresses they own are pornographers. These are the people that you should be describing as those that don't want the hassle of a regular job, enjoy getting drunk at 2:30 in the afternoon (btw, what the fuck is wrong with that) and boastfully profit from orgasms (the male version of anyway). I know you are smarter than to actually believe the bluster and bravado presented by 18 year old girls as they try and rationalize how and why they have ended up where they are.
One of my favorite books in High School was Gulliver's Travels by Jonathan Swift. That book impacted me as a 15 year old smart ass like nothing else could have, except for the Traci Lord's Penthouse Issue...Anyway, Satire and Sarcasm are sadly my staples when it comes to expressing myself...sometimes I fail miserably. This may be one of those times...or maybe not. I dunno....as you say yourself I both Condemn and Defend seemingly, which is a neutral result...Porn, indeed, "is what it is...." and it is hillarious, and retarded, and fucked up, and arousing, etc. Such that I cant resist any opportunity to rant about all the things I see.... my use of the word "evil" may have been the thing that threw you off, but really I include the Pornographers in the EVIL TRIAD, and Holly, as hott as she is, does have a 'dark side' that comes out every now and then, unfortunately though it just makes her twice as strokeable so no one notices, but seriously kids...
I did think it was slightly obnoxious to attack Holly so directly and abruptly, especially since we have So FEW chicks posting here, especially HOTT ones; however, it turned out to be a really therapeutic thing, because when I wrote that long ass reply a few clicks up, I really got a lot off my chest...and it had stopped snowing up here at Lake Mendo by the time I finished and I was able to get out to the garage and grab the 12 pack of Amstel Light that was waiting for me....
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#149911 - 03/10/06 04:27 PM
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 05/06/05
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First of all, thank you DB for defending me. That was very sweet, and I do appreciate it. Namely because I’m not going to really respond to this guy’s post and here’s why. The argument over whether or not porn is “evil†and “destructive†(and whatever other negative taglines you care give it) is I find fairly pointless. Pointless in the fact that you, “Mr. Sauzeâ€, and I harbor entirely different opinions regarding the adult industry, and no amount of bickering back and forth is going to change that. Also, in your post you generalize that all adult performers are “desperate†and “stupidâ€, and you suggest that that I “don’t give them…credit as human beingsâ€. These words give your argument a twinge of viciousness that makes me think no matter what I say, no matter how I respond, you will continue to reply in a manner that is both a tad nasty and judgmental. Perhaps I am wrong, and if you do really seek my opinion on this matter, you are welcome to contact me via email. But, if you are simply here to insult me on a public message board and try to push my buttons, I won’t play that game. I’ve seen too many “Gen Padova vs. whoever†rants to go that route.
Now, out of my own pure curiousity-- and you don't have to answer this of course, since I did not do much to answer your post-- what exactly is your position on adult? If you find it to be such a "facilitator of destruction" I wonder how you found yourself on this chatboard. If you find porn so objectionable, why aren't you out thinking about something else? Seriously, I'm not trying to attack you, I'm just wondering. Also curious as to what your upbringing was. Liberal, conservative? Religious?
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#149912 - 03/10/06 05:45 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 02/12/04
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I'm shocked--shocked--this could raise so much as an eyebrow among this jaded crew.
Of course Holly is a facilitator of evil (everytime I see that word I think of overenthusiastic corporate luncheons on the theme of "team building"). So am I. People hire me to hurt each other, and it's frankly beyond my abilities to know with absolute certainty whether it's done righteously or if their "defense" is simply a way to rationalize their own heartless cruelty. Yet every morning, prior to destroying people, I pull on hundreds of dollars worth of clothing that contains the malnourished blood of tiny Malaysian children, and this probably bothers me a scintilla more than the person whose life, career, finances and/or reputation I'm about to ruin.
Holly, who I have difficulty believing would consciously bring harm to any living creature, sees things a different way. Personally it's a life I couldn't imagine, and I'm sure she feels sickened by how I just described mine. But upbringing, mores and so on really aren't at issue. Mother Theresa, the media embodiment of saintliness, left thousands to suffer in agony by beseeching them to pray rather than seek medical treatment which was available to them--and funded her little beacon of light in Calcutta with money from the Duvalier family. Show me a human saint and I'll show you a fucking murderer. Looking at the world the other way is pleasant enough to do on December 25th and a few other days a year but you're sucking on a narcotic lolly if you do so the rest of the time.
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#149915 - 03/10/06 08:27 PM
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Gay For Pay
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Holy shit. Ya know, I really wasn't gonna weigh in on this, but after reading some of these polemics, I feel suddenly compelled to respond. Not least, because the views being expressed so clearly epitomize this country's [and our puritanical culture's] schizophrenic attitude toward sex. First of all, what's the foundation for this assumption that pornograhpy is evil? What exactly is evil about it? Pornography is nothing more than any artistic material, either graphical or printed, that's created specifically with the intent of producing sexual arousal [usually for the purpose of a masturbatory aid]. Where's the sin? Where's the evil? Do we as human beings despise ourselves so much, that we see a simple expression of our most fundamental desire as sinful? Does the evil lie in the way the pornography industry exploits performers? No one is holding a gun to these people's heads. They make a conscious choice, as adults, to do something which gives them the opportunity to earn [in most cases] much more money than they otherwise could. Does the industry profit by their lack of education and opportunity? Yes. But so does the fucking U.S. military. So do a million other corporate entities around the world. Our whole economy is based on profiting from the limited opportunities of the third world [see neo-colonialism]. And yet the people who perform in pornography are accused of producing "nothing of value to society", because all they do is fuck on film. Whereas lawyers, business executives, journalists, and politicians [who all spend a fair portion of their spare time stroking to porn], are all making the world a better place in their daily efforts to maintain a way of life in America that ensures that millions of dark skinned people around the world will continue to get paid 3 cents and hour. Damn, sign me up to be a "responsible" member of society! I'm really stunned at the average man or woman's capacity to pass judgement on an industry which THEY themselves make one of the most lucrative businesses in America! And no, for the record, I DON'T feel shame or regret when I jackoff to porn. I DON'T think it's unhealthy. And I go out of my way to share pornography with my friends. [it's why they all call me a pervert]. But ya know what? They always take it! They always take it, and I always tell them.. "Enjoy it!" Don't be ashamed of being human... of feeling lust or desire... and wanting to satisfy it in a way that hurts NO ONE! [despite the insane rantings of Catherine McKinnon]. Although the internet has allowed greater access to porn than ever before, pornography itself is not some modern plague that just descended on us with the birth of Gerard Damiano. People have been producing images of sex before recorded history. All those "fertility idols" that were so common in ancient cultures, were nothing more than Gorak's stack of prehistoric Hustlers. This is who we are! We enjoy sex. But we also enjoy sexual fantasy. Indulging our most primitive desire to have power or control over another person. Sometimes people can't make the distinction between reality and fantasy, and in their quest to satisfy those desires, other people get hurt. It's a sad fact of life. But the majority of people are perfectly able to make that distinction. And pornography is what allows them to indulge their deepest, darkest fantasies in a safe and healthy way. And I, for one, think that IS a service that society needs. "The only unnatural sex act is that which you cannot perform." Alfred C. Kinsey "The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your soul grows sick with longing for the things it has forbidden to itself, with desire for what its laws had made unlawful." Oscar Wilde "I love me some titties!" Me 
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#149916 - 03/10/06 09:30 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 01/09/06
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holly is an inspiration to young women who unashamedly pursue what they want in the face of oppressive mores. her work appeals to anyone who can appreciate the beauty of the female form. while you imply she got a free ride, you ignore that the children of great talent often struggle much harder to achieve recognitition in their field, especially when they share that field with their parents. regardless of the mark they make in their own right, the legitimacy of their accomplishments is questioned by people who are pathetically envious and generous only when it comes to themselves.
she is a master in her craft and you are threatened by her because she doesn't live up to your notion of what a pornographer is - rather, what you think a pornographer should be. fortunately, your views are becoming archaic. there is no nobility in delusions of superiority.
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#149918 - 03/10/06 11:58 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Semantics suck....immoral might be better than evil as a word... I really get off on celebrating the joys of pornography by pointing out just how ridiculous and fucked up it really is. Hence my initial post about a surreal, figurative "robbery" of physical intimacy that happens when a person performs in, or fixates upon pornographic scenes.... Then we turned to the Evil aspects of pornography, and I say that Porn is somewhat "evil" which is why it is so much fun, and interesting, and compelling...and addicting. If Porn was just innocuous, and healthy, who would give a crap about it in the way, manner and extent people currently do? It is the 'sinful' nature of porn that STILL makes it what it is and allows it to serve its purpose, which someone already mentioned so I dont have to feel like a fucking weirdo in repeating: Porn makes people horny, with the ultimate aim being to jerk off .... I just like to type a lot lately, so I seized upon the chance when someone dared to raise the question-equivalent: "Holly Randall: Porn's Little Red Riding Hood or Big Bad She-Wolf?" I think Luke will attest that Holly is both... Little Red Riding Hood in the public eye, and a she-wolf in the bedroom...Hell, Luke will admit Holly is partly evil, but in my opinion that is what makes her such a good 'pornographer', and The Most Erotic Woman in Porn
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#149919 - 03/11/06 01:41 AM
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Holly, you do understand that the majority of people who are responding here, especially in your defense do so from an entirely different perspective than yours. I know that on the surface their words are a comfort to you, but really lets put some perspective on this. They consume. You create. It is easy to flippantly support something that exists only conceptually. Something that is viewed on film or computer screen displayed only at it's most marketable.
There is no attempt at shock value here, but they do not see the puss and lesions, cannot feel the bitterness and worthlessness that many of the "performers" express once they cut away from/are cast aside by the industry.
I never once used the term "evil". You are using that as the construct of your argument. I am not judging you. Or at least I do not in any way feel superior. I just see a simple truth - you make money from filming people do things that you would never do, let alone do for dissemination to the masses. You can dress this fact up in any way that you want. You (or those who have spoken for you) can say there is no gun to their heads and other overly dramatic, yet remarkably analogous statements. A gun made of metal and plastic, no, but a gun none the less (read food/shelter/money for their kids/drugs so that the itching in their brain goes away.) Or do you actually believe, beyond what people say, in the moment and out of necessity that this is what they would choose to do with their lives? That they would say the same 10 years later?
In response to your questions:
I am interested in moral dilemmas's, the human condition etc. Porn to me is a petri dish of such study. At this point I really only enjoy it as such.
I was raised in a liberal, non denominational environment. In short, this is not about god/your soul/my soul. I am not even entirely sure any of those things exist.
Now a question for you. If you ever do have a child, especially a daughter. Would you encourage her to become a performer? I am very interested in your answer.
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#149921 - 03/11/06 12:56 PM
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"There is no attempt at shock value here, but they do not see the puss and lesions, cannot feel the bitterness and worthlessness that many of the "performers" express once they cut away from/are cast aside by the industry."
"Now a question for you. If you ever do have a child, especially a daughter. Would you encourage her to become a performer? I am very interested in your answer."
Your right on the money with this mate ! Its like putting a daguerreotype of near perfect holographic realness in front of them,
only to be fucked up by the mirror image of their own self image, they just cant see past themselves.
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#149922 - 03/11/06 04:46 PM
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I've invited a couple of writer friends to guest on this column. Both declined; they're engaged in new projects (as are we all) and have vowed not to take on any writing assignment that doesn't pay. This gave me pause for thought. The sudden drop in frequency of these columns isn't the result ... that's due to my mother's continuing illness and consequent hospital visiting time. As I come to the end of a third novel, however, with the two previous wonderful ones so far unsold, finances are of course due to take a stranglehold on Kami's deepthroat. I can continue writing for nothing, but I cant expect to live off it. Money has to come from somewhere. My optimism of course is uncurable. My new novel inspires me as being a masterpiece which someone surely will recognize as such. If they fail to do that with sufficient speed there's always the Van Gogh and Kafka route, genius lamentably unrecognized in their lifetimes but genius nevertheless. Such arrogance is half playful, half realistic - without such self-perception these last few years would have been an insane waste of time. Also as my mother has flirted with the eternal these past weeks, one develops a new sense of priorities. I presume my life to have some purpose behind it, and know the main fruits of that purpose are my writings. That's more of a vocation that it is commercial. I may end up writing for nothing, but that doesn't mean the writing isn't everything. 
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#149923 - 03/11/06 04:56 PM
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I am interested in moral dilemmas's, the human condition etc. Porn to me is a petri dish of such study. At this point I really only enjoy it as such.
I was raised in a liberal, non denominational environment. In short, this is not about god/your soul/my soul. I am not even entirely sure any of those things exist.
Now a question for you. If you ever do have a child, especially a daughter. Would you encourage her to become a performer? I am very interested in your answer.
that you even view porn as a "moral dilemma" is indicative of your problem with assigning blame where none needs be assigned. there will always be girls who want attention and money, and there will always be men who want girls. that a former pornstar feels "cheated" when she is no longer wanted isn't bad or wrong in itself because the girl's value lies solely in how attractive she is. when she is discarded, it is not a statement of her worthlessness but of her lack of relevance in an industry which demands youth and beauty; one in which few 'legends' are ever created.
it is the girl's, and not holly's, sole responsibility to make herself into a person who isn't defined by her looks and subsequent popularity in an admittedly shallow industry. that some of these girls made the decision to forego education so that they didn't have to strive in the face of adversity (feeding children, what have you) is more a testament to the reality of their own lack of tenacity than a hypothetical gun.
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#149924 - 03/11/06 05:34 PM
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well, i felt an urge to chime in on this thread.... so i will.
First off I agree that this mindset is a result of our cultures outlook on sex. Burg put it best about how we hide our pornography... It is that way in all cultures, cultures with a more liberated attitude toward sex dont see it as dirty or destructive. I think the view of the porn star as a drug addict, desperate human being is another result of that. Due to the fact that we cannot help but see sex as dirty we see those who use it for profit as dirty as well and then it becomes a self fufilling prophecy, hence the higher quality in the european and asian woman in pornography. They come from cultures that are more sexaully libereated and where being a sexual being isn't an evil dirty thing. The pronograhy that our culture has spawned is indicative of this mindset as well. In Europe when they do rough things, it is with passion... something most american male porn talent and directors cannot understand. they dont see passion because they can't feel it, they feel dirty, degredation so that is what they shoot and that is what we breed. There is no psychology to it. Americans look ad BDSM videos or domination porn from europe or japan and only see it as degrading, not the artistic psychological value therein... the fact that it is not done in a truly degrading fashion... buit when it is translated to our culture it is... mind you asia does have some extremes as well that we locked in by the guilt ramming we did when we took over their governments post world war 2. but as the most sexually stifled cultue in the world it is amazing we produce so much pornography... mostly because every idiot with a camera and a few saved up paychecks thinks he is the next Vince Voyuer. Hence why while we produce the most, we of course obvioulsy produce the most... crap. American porn by and large is the shittiest, most unerotic, crap that has ever been displayed on a screen. Our outlook towards the women who choose to use their sexuality for profit , has become a self fufilling prophecy and most girls who should be in porn, wont because they are too well adjusted to deal with the worthless whining throngs that fill the american adult industry and the shitty directors not interested in doing anything but putting enough product on the shelf to possibly even make a dime in the oversaturated market. Give me Euro girls any day, at least they try to look interested, and them male talent dont suck as bad as the viagra fueled meat puppets in the states.
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#149925 - 03/11/06 07:40 PM
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Give me Euro girls any day
is that like a tranny? after all you made keiko an honest woman. did she beat you at arm wrestling? did she rip your fucking arm off? ^_^
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#149926 - 03/11/06 07:45 PM
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no sweetie, that means girls from Europe. ahhh the american education system strikes again, so sad.
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#149927 - 03/11/06 08:01 PM
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no sweetie, that means girls from Europe. ahhh the american education system strikes again, so sad.
homeschooled, suck a dick. just because you were "too smart" and had too much going for you to finish school doesn't give you the right to ridicule. if you did finish school (which i sincerely doubt) your very existence, as a failed 'alt porn' performer reduced to drag, proves your premise of the inadequacy of public education.
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#149928 - 03/11/06 08:06 PM
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ummm reduced to drag... sorry sweetie, havent done any drag since i was 18 and on a rocky horror cast.
as far as my schooling... it's a fight you will lose.
Who the fuck are you anyway... i'm not failed at anything as i am far from done with porn... just done with L.A.
and its better to fail than be a nobody heckling from the sidelines... saw you pics darling, you need a jog more than i do.
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#149929 - 03/11/06 08:10 PM
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#149930 - 03/11/06 08:14 PM
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ummm reduced to drag... sorry sweetie, havent done any drag since i was 18 and on a rocky horror cast.
as far as my schooling... it's a fight you will lose.
Who the fuck are you anyway... i'm not failed at anything as i am far from done with porn... just done with L.A.
and its better to fail than be a nobody heckling from the sidelines... saw you pics darling, you need a jog more than i do.
thanks auntie longshot, i'll pass on the pie next time. it doesn't matter what you say or what you do, you were in rocky horror show, you wear false eyelashes, you're married to keiko, you have tiny hands, you're rob longshot and insulting you is as easy as taking a number
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#149931 - 03/11/06 08:21 PM
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i dont wear false eylashes, those are real sweetie. I do wear eyeliner... been doing it since i was 14...
you look like a chubby insecure emo girl who makes herself feel better by making fun of peoople online and jumping on bandwagons in a desperate attempt to be one of the kool kids. I bet your a cutter.
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#149932 - 03/11/06 08:28 PM
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yeah, i'm cutting and crying over here. just because those kinds of people surrounded you growing up doesn't mean that every girl who is more educated than you and wears glasses is some sort of gothic headcase.
obviously you are and have been for a long time: you said it yourself, you've been wearing eyeliner since you were fourteen and you use the phrase "kool kids" with absolutely no acknowledgment of how intensely gay it is. i may be a fatty bitch but at least i'm not a two bit faggot whipbiter.
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#149933 - 03/11/06 08:39 PM
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i was using "kool kids" as a way of making fun of you. and no the people i hung out with drove the cutters to cutting. and resorting to the fact that you think you are more educated than me is hilarious. Today i debugged the PHP on three sites, edited a movie, started building a new site.. and writing letters to the mayor of a small town in Italy, in Italian to request some birth certificates and a marrigage certificate... and then found time to wax idiotic with a woman who can't stand her societal place. 
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#149934 - 03/11/06 08:45 PM
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#149935 - 03/11/06 08:47 PM
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i was using "kool kids" as a way of making fun of you.
and no the people i hung out with drove the cutters to cutting.
and resorting to the fact that you think you are more educated than me is hilarious. Today i debugged the PHP on three sites, edited a movie, started building a new site.. and writing letters to the mayor of a small town in Italy, in Italian to request some birth certificates and a marrigage certificate... and then found time to wax idiotic with a woman who can't stand her societal place.
hahaha "a letter to an italian in italy in italian." you're right, i can't stand my societal place. i wish i was a cool and influential male performer and that my wife was a beautiful and elegant woman. what's this new site dedicated to? why so much useless information offered as proof of how meaningless and unimportant your life is? i also like how none of it "is" anything, like you sitting around in your pajamas running adaware and scratching your nuts to the cure is some huge newsworthy task.
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