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#149886 - 02/28/06 11:06 PM
Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/02/05
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Intimacy...knowing your partner as well as you know yourself. It is what truly cements a relationship between a man and a woman. What her favorite fragrance is, what his favorite desert is, why she hates tall buildings, why he won't let you play with his ass during sex. All aspects of intimacy. It used to be that sexual relations was the cornerstone to intimacy in a relationship, but that has been erased thanks to today's over-the-top Circus Atmosphere Pornography. As I have been reading lukeisback and observing the wonderful sharing of intimacy between Luke and Holly, I am both amazed and dismayed, simply because it is set against the backdrop of pornography.
Luke and Holly are lucky...their sex life will forever always be theres, apart from what specific details Luke chooses to publish on his website. In other words, if Luke and Holly ever decide to have anal intercourse, it will not be on film for all the world to share in and see. What's more, since Holly does not perform in Pornographic films, Luke is only sharing, in a limited fashion, whatever sexual relations he has with Holly with her previous lovers, which is a limited number of men. If Holly had been having sex on Film, Luke would basically be sharing her with the world, for we would all be vicariously having sex with Holly by watching these films, no doubt rubbing our gonads in a rapid up and down manner until climax was reached. In a word, Luke would be 'robbed' of this intimate aspect of his relationship.
I think of several specific porn chicks (out of many) I have seen on film, who I may have liked to possibly get to know better, perhaps even date. I have seen them with all manner and combinations of male partners, with multiple penis' in their orifices, getting doused by dozens of loads at a time...I have seen men ejaculating right inside their vaginas in what is known as "internal creampies"...this used to be known as 'making love/producing children'. I feel robbed....even though I may still like these specific individual women for their personalities and other qualities, I will never truly know what it is like to be sexually intimate with them. Because when I am finally in a position to be busting a nut inside them, I will have to reconcile the fact that at that moment, all around the world, thousands of men are ALSO vicariously doing it to her through the pornographic movies she made.
I am truly a member of a global village, thanks to Pornography...I feel very exposed right now. And robbed....
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#149888 - 02/28/06 11:19 PM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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#149890 - 03/01/06 05:28 AM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
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Shouldn't this be moved to "Talent for Hire", where only Chico has to read it?
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#149892 - 03/02/06 07:51 PM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 02/08/05
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Nope.
When you have this intimate relationship with a pornstar, I hope it's different from jacking off or performing on a porn set, for both your sakes.
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#149896 - 03/07/06 02:13 AM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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If there's any robbing going on, its more so the performer allowing the industry to extract their ability to engage in any bit of intimacy.
We are our own dignity extractors by willingly getting down on our knees, looking up with the look of no soul in our eyes, opening wide, AHH. 
Thank goodness for Gen and all the other girls in porn!!! 
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#149899 - 03/07/06 06:27 PM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 05/06/05
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I'm not sure if my vote counts since I don't perform in front of the cameras, but I don't feel it's made my love life any less intimate at all.
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#149900 - 03/07/06 08:29 PM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Gay For Pay
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What cements a relationship between a man and a woman is mutual respect and trust. A man and woman can meet, fall in love, and have a mutually fullfiling relationship without being physically intimate [ie. having sex]. It's emotional and intellectual intimacy that forms the bedrock of longlasting relationships. Sex is a purely physical act [albeit a thoroughly enjoyable one]. Pornography doesn't rob anyone of anything... intimacy, dignity or otherwise. Under the best of circumstances it can enhance a physical relationship, and only becomes an obstacle when people let their own jealousy and possesiveness take control. And although that kind of caveman mentality is understandable, it's a little impractical in an age when more and more women are challenging the double-standard that labels them "whores" for displaying behavior that men are typically admired for. As far as Luke and Holly are concerned, all I can say is... Jesus Christ Holly, come on! 
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#149901 - 03/08/06 12:55 AM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/02/05
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I'm not sure if my vote counts since I don't perform in front of the cameras, but I don't feel it's made my love life any less intimate at all.
That was my point...you are right on the edge, the pareto efficient intersection, of where porn can help or harm, add to or rob, a relationship betwixt a man and a woman. You and Luke, BECAUSE you merely make and write about explicit, filthy pornography and not ACTUALLY perform in it...can reap the benefits of doing/reenacting all the things you see everyday in and around the porn sets you are on...and NO ONE else can see/share in what you do.
Furthermore, on those cold rainy Late Winter nights when Luke has taken a double dose of Viagra and as he is driving Holly's beautiful head into the Oak headboard on her bed, as he plows her lentil beanfield mercilessly like King David after watching Bathsheba play with Mr Bubbles from his rooftop, No One else anywhere on the planet is watching Holly get plowed (and by extension, vicariously plowing Holly through visual fantasy/mental rape enabled by pornographic films...)...so Luke & holly's physical/sexual-spiritual intimacy is kept between themselves....
See Holly, you intuitively understand and express the point of this thread despite your doubts and slightly guilt-ridden conscience....Luke is having a thoroughly Moral Impact upon your heart and mind.... 
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#149906 - 03/09/06 06:03 PM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Porn Jesus
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Holly, I'm sure you are a sweet gal and all, in some ways I think that makes you all the more objectionable. Your sweet veneer and your (parents) winding driveway into the hills hang like a sheen of normalcy over what you actually do.
There can be no doubt that you are a facilitator of destruction in the lives of those you photograph. (Just ask Simp/Luke.) An honorable person of your "position" and intelligence should be forced by conscience alone to refrain from taking advantage of the desperation/stupidity of others.
When you frolic in the fountains of Rome (funded by the profits of your exploitation) do you ever wonder if your "subjects" dreamed of visiting the very spot in which you stand? Or perhaps you do not give them enough credit as human beings and feel a natural separation between your place and theirs.
Like I said, I'm sure you are great to talk to in person and all, but your "act" makes me uncomfortable. The same kind of "uncomfortable" I experience when I imagine living in my parents house in my late 20's.
Jesus Christ, what a fucking "FIRST POST"....and you are taking potshot/jabs at the most erotic female poster on this Porn Board no less! That's bold, and obnoxious too...
I am NOT neccessarily disagreeing with the general point/message of your post, I actually agree with it on the most General Level . . . . But Before you accuse the so called "evil Pornographers" like Holly of being so inherently....um, "evil", you must first direct your examining lens to the two other groups in the "Triad of Porn Abomination", namely the Consumers and the performers.
People like myself, and all consumers of Porn and other Sexual Services/Products (Strippers/Escorts/Crackwhores, etc) are the primary reason such things exist (well, the crackwhore is a stretch, but...).....we create the DEMAND. Just like with drugs...if people didnt want them and were not willing to pay for them, the story would end right there. The human appetite for things like Sex/Orgasms is of such exagerated proportions these days that many otherwise decent, hardworking, able bodied men & women are willing to pay money to have sex, or watch other people having sex.
We live vicariously through video fantasy....I am ABLE to Fantasy Fuck in my head chicks like Christie Lee, Gia Jordan, Hailey Young and a few others by watching them on Video, while simultaneously yanking on my dick, or paying a woman to yank on my dick while imagining that is ME in the video with the aforementioned porn starlets. My NEED, my Appetite for this shit (and the hunreds of Millions of other horny fuckers worldwide) is what DRIVES the Pornographers like Holly to do what they do...and Holly is on the more Artisitic/Erotic end of the "Evil Pornographer" spectrum, even though the "Spectrum" itself is saturated in male reproductive fluids, and CUM has become the "paint" that Artists like Holly Figuratively Use in their portraits....that is to say, the success/merit of Pornography as Erotic Art is measured/gauged by it's ability to elicit CUM from its audience.
AND HERE's The KICKER as far as Consumers are concerned: Deep down, we ALL feel a twang in our conscience, a tinge of regret, of shame, of moral bankruptcy, everytime we whack off to our favorite porn chick/scene. It is TRUE! We all know, deep down, porn is not healthy, even wrong, on some level (at best Porn is INNOCUOUS, otherwise, why do we 'Hide' our movie stashes and magazines? Instead of "Million Dollar Baby" or "Cinderella Man" from Blockbuster, Why wouldnt we show "A Good Source of Iron #5", "Giant Wet Asses" or "Baker's Dozen #6" when we invite our friends over for dinner and a movie?...maybe some of us do....)
But we blot that out, we suppress our conscience and focus on the NOW...on how fucking good it feels NOW... but when we blow our load, those first 10 seconds after we cum, that feeling of "What the fuck is wrong with me?" takes over and we feel stupid, foolish, remorseful....until our Balls start to produce the next load, our dicks start to twitch again and then it's BACK to the Origins of Sin! We tell ourselves it is OK, we are not being sexually selfish compulsively masturbating to pornography instead of sharing ourselves with a loving, committed partner. We are not being morally callous by getting off while viewing the misfortune and immorality of others (i.e. the people fucking on screen.) Our Appetite to watch other's engage in the most debauched sexual circus acts is a chickenshit way to commit SIN...it's like getting someone else to do your dirty work for you, an abrogation of responsibility in the realm of pleasurable, delicious IRRESPONSIBILITY....I wont stick MY OWN penis in some drugged out, diseased woman, but it's ok for me to watch someone ELSE do it, and for me to have an orgasm watching ...
After the CONSUMERS, the next group deserving scorn in the Triad of Pornography are the actual PORN performers, the men and WOMEN who engage in the most unnatural, intense, fucked up sexual antics performed by so-called civilized man since The Orgies of Caligula. The Porn Stars, in particular the women, FORCE themselves to ignore the pangs in their conscience, the little Willy Wonka-like voice inside them saying "Stop, Dont, Come Back..." when they contemplate fucking four guys at once and swallowing their loads, or eating the four load's out of another chick's ass...The Performers who RELISH the fact that, by fucking strangers on film and getting paid decent amounts of money (in the short term), they can be excused from so-called "regular life" responsibilities, like getting up and going to a job that actually produces something people can use, or performs a service that society needs...The Porn Stars who CONVINCE THEMSELVES that it is FUCKING GREAT that they can afford all kinds of durable goods (cars, Shoes, 1000s of Music CDs) and Non-durable goods (Blow, Meth, Pot, Expensive Prescription Drugs to prevent/control Herpes outbreaks, etc) by simply having sex for all the world to see, FOREVER, and that this sex is sometimes actually ENJOYABLE, so they further reason "I am getting paid to have ORGASMS...Isnt this Great? You people who criticize and condemn me are just Jealous!! So What if I have Warts on my ass and my system is resistant to antibiotics because I keep having to take them to fight another STD, thus making me susceptible to all kinds of OTHER non-sexual infections...you dont see the POSITIVE side to this life/business, etc..."
The performers, who use the easy, quick money to buy the drugs they need to medicate their conscience so they can keep making porn to keep getting money to keep buying drugs....and to attend these Monthly PORN parties, where everyone in porn, and a few DESPERATE fans, pretend that what Porn represents is something significant and meaningful, Like the Grammy Awards or the Mail Carriers of America Association Awards, where the Porn Performers' OWN vicarious self absorbed fantasies of mainstream stardom and artisitic success (ala Lockwood's Acting/Punk Music Careers) are "make-believed" for a few hours at places in Hollywood like whereever Sex-z Pictures is having their party tomorrow night. And of course, the ubiquitous, pathetic human characterisitic of Sloth, and the neverending lengths people will go to in order to get something for nothing...Porn Performers, who some people will claim are being exploited, are really attempting to make a lot of money doing what is, when expressed naturally and properly, a pleasurable BIOLOGICAL activity.
Porn and Porn Stars' Lifestyles are out of whack with societal needs, however...if too many people adopt the porn star mantra/style of being totally self absorbed so that all energy and focus is upon oneself, one's appearance (so that Hair/Nail/pedicure appointments are an ABSOLUTE INVIOLABLE priority) and one doesnt engage in ANY Altruistic or philanthrophic activity, just waking & baking followed by selfish day long pursuits like Nordstrom excursions and having drinks at 2:30 pm on a tuesday with other porn starlets, where they try to out-pout and out-preen each other and secretly criticize each other's hair, or agent, or recent movie "role" choices, or sexual act enthusiasm...where porn chicks try to one-up each other by claiming that they almost fucked the lead singer of <insert name of latest hot mainstream band you still have never heard of>, or that one porn chick's "private fan/customer" who is crippled and has money is going to buy her a vibrating, adjustable medical/hospital bed with a built in CD Player/stereo, while another pornchick's sugardaddy is taking her on a vacation to Ireland in May to kiss the blarney stone .... and then culminating in night time drunken/stoned orgies and passing out only to wake and bake the next day all over again...well then society is in fact, FUCKED in its under age 30 demographic pooper)
No, I am sorry....Evil Pornographers Like Holly Randall are NOT the primary Culprits here...I rate the pornographers as number 3 on the "Porn Evil Triad" chart, Behind CONSUMERS/FANS (me) and PERFORMERS....
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#149909 - 03/09/06 11:54 PM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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ADT regular
Registered: 03/08/06
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DA - off the hop, from what I know of you (which is reading on these boards) I like you. I really have to laugh though when you accuse a poster on something called xxxporntalk, in the monkey cage no less, of being obnoxious.
I want to try and keep this brief, which is tough based on the length of your post.
To be clear - I never called anyone "evil". And I am not splitting hairs. I am not disturbed by Holly's evil tendencies, I am disturbed by her hypocrisy. She garners financial reward from general debauchery without ever getting her hands dirty (yes, I know she lubes the dildo's.) The part that is especially disturbing is that this is not even a venture of her own creation - her mother pulled her/propped her up in the biz!
I appreciate that in your defense of Holly you state that you agree with my premise. I return the favor in acknowledging yours. However...
In your particular case you are clearly defensive. This is understandable as you have a form of "relationship" with Holly. I think the bigger factor here though is that you, like her have crossed the line. You are now in the same boat in that you are profiting from acts committed by others that you would never yourselves partake in. Holly directly by capturing it for eternity and a "paycheque", and you by building a certain level of social interaction and notoriety.
DA, you are a smart man. Smarter than to blame the victim. Smarter that to take some circuitous route of logic that both condemns and exonerates you. Porn is what it is, and pornographers, no matter how many cocktail dresses they own are pornographers. These are the people that you should be describing as those that don't want the hassle of a regular job, enjoy getting drunk at 2:30 in the afternoon (btw, what the fuck is wrong with that) and boastfully profit from orgasms (the male version of anyway). I know you are smarter than to actually believe the bluster and bravado presented by 18 year old girls as they try and rationalize how and why they have ended up where they are.
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#149910 - 03/10/06 12:24 AM
Re: Does porn Rob You of Intimacy?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/02/05
Posts: 5750
Loc: ATLANTIC CITY
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DA - off the hop, from what I know of you (which is reading on these boards) I like you. I really have to laugh though when you accuse a poster on something called xxxporntalk, in the monkey cage no less, of being obnoxious.
I want to try and keep this brief, which is tough based on the length of your post.
To be clear - I never called anyone "evil". And I am not splitting hairs. I am not disturbed by Holly's evil tendencies, I am disturbed by her hypocrisy. She garners financial reward from general debauchery without ever getting her hands dirty (yes, I know she lubes the dildo's.) The part that is especially disturbing is that this is not even a venture of her own creation - her mother pulled her/propped her up in the biz!
I appreciate that in your defense of Holly you state that you agree with my premise. I return the favor in acknowledging yours. However...
In your particular case you are clearly defensive. This is understandable as you have a form of "relationship" with Holly. I think the bigger factor here though is that you, like her have crossed the line. You are now in the same boat in that you are profiting from acts committed by others that you would never yourselves partake in. Holly directly by capturing it for eternity and a "paycheque", and you by building a certain level of social interaction and notoriety.
DA, you are a smart man. Smarter than to blame the victim. Smarter that to take some circuitous route of logic that both condemns and exonerates you. Porn is what it is, and pornographers, no matter how many cocktail dresses they own are pornographers. These are the people that you should be describing as those that don't want the hassle of a regular job, enjoy getting drunk at 2:30 in the afternoon (btw, what the fuck is wrong with that) and boastfully profit from orgasms (the male version of anyway). I know you are smarter than to actually believe the bluster and bravado presented by 18 year old girls as they try and rationalize how and why they have ended up where they are.
One of my favorite books in High School was Gulliver's Travels by Jonathan Swift. That book impacted me as a 15 year old smart ass like nothing else could have, except for the Traci Lord's Penthouse Issue...Anyway, Satire and Sarcasm are sadly my staples when it comes to expressing myself...sometimes I fail miserably. This may be one of those times...or maybe not. I dunno....as you say yourself I both Condemn and Defend seemingly, which is a neutral result...Porn, indeed, "is what it is...." and it is hillarious, and retarded, and fucked up, and arousing, etc. Such that I cant resist any opportunity to rant about all the things I see.... my use of the word "evil" may have been the thing that threw you off, but really I include the Pornographers in the EVIL TRIAD, and Holly, as hott as she is, does have a 'dark side' that comes out every now and then, unfortunately though it just makes her twice as strokeable so no one notices, but seriously kids...
I did think it was slightly obnoxious to attack Holly so directly and abruptly, especially since we have So FEW chicks posting here, especially HOTT ones; however, it turned out to be a really therapeutic thing, because when I wrote that long ass reply a few clicks up, I really got a lot off my chest...and it had stopped snowing up here at Lake Mendo by the time I finished and I was able to get out to the garage and grab the 12 pack of Amstel Light that was waiting for me....
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#149911 - 03/10/06 04:27 PM
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 05/06/05
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First of all, thank you DB for defending me. That was very sweet, and I do appreciate it. Namely because I’m not going to really respond to this guy’s post and here’s why. The argument over whether or not porn is “evil†and “destructive†(and whatever other negative taglines you care give it) is I find fairly pointless. Pointless in the fact that you, “Mr. Sauzeâ€, and I harbor entirely different opinions regarding the adult industry, and no amount of bickering back and forth is going to change that. Also, in your post you generalize that all adult performers are “desperate†and “stupidâ€, and you suggest that that I “don’t give them…credit as human beingsâ€. These words give your argument a twinge of viciousness that makes me think no matter what I say, no matter how I respond, you will continue to reply in a manner that is both a tad nasty and judgmental. Perhaps I am wrong, and if you do really seek my opinion on this matter, you are welcome to contact me via email. But, if you are simply here to insult me on a public message board and try to push my buttons, I won’t play that game. I’ve seen too many “Gen Padova vs. whoever†rants to go that route.
Now, out of my own pure curiousity-- and you don't have to answer this of course, since I did not do much to answer your post-- what exactly is your position on adult? If you find it to be such a "facilitator of destruction" I wonder how you found yourself on this chatboard. If you find porn so objectionable, why aren't you out thinking about something else? Seriously, I'm not trying to attack you, I'm just wondering. Also curious as to what your upbringing was. Liberal, conservative? Religious?
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#149912 - 03/10/06 05:45 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 02/12/04
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I'm shocked--shocked--this could raise so much as an eyebrow among this jaded crew.
Of course Holly is a facilitator of evil (everytime I see that word I think of overenthusiastic corporate luncheons on the theme of "team building"). So am I. People hire me to hurt each other, and it's frankly beyond my abilities to know with absolute certainty whether it's done righteously or if their "defense" is simply a way to rationalize their own heartless cruelty. Yet every morning, prior to destroying people, I pull on hundreds of dollars worth of clothing that contains the malnourished blood of tiny Malaysian children, and this probably bothers me a scintilla more than the person whose life, career, finances and/or reputation I'm about to ruin.
Holly, who I have difficulty believing would consciously bring harm to any living creature, sees things a different way. Personally it's a life I couldn't imagine, and I'm sure she feels sickened by how I just described mine. But upbringing, mores and so on really aren't at issue. Mother Theresa, the media embodiment of saintliness, left thousands to suffer in agony by beseeching them to pray rather than seek medical treatment which was available to them--and funded her little beacon of light in Calcutta with money from the Duvalier family. Show me a human saint and I'll show you a fucking murderer. Looking at the world the other way is pleasant enough to do on December 25th and a few other days a year but you're sucking on a narcotic lolly if you do so the rest of the time.
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#149915 - 03/10/06 08:27 PM
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Gay For Pay
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Holy shit. Ya know, I really wasn't gonna weigh in on this, but after reading some of these polemics, I feel suddenly compelled to respond. Not least, because the views being expressed so clearly epitomize this country's [and our puritanical culture's] schizophrenic attitude toward sex. First of all, what's the foundation for this assumption that pornograhpy is evil? What exactly is evil about it? Pornography is nothing more than any artistic material, either graphical or printed, that's created specifically with the intent of producing sexual arousal [usually for the purpose of a masturbatory aid]. Where's the sin? Where's the evil? Do we as human beings despise ourselves so much, that we see a simple expression of our most fundamental desire as sinful? Does the evil lie in the way the pornography industry exploits performers? No one is holding a gun to these people's heads. They make a conscious choice, as adults, to do something which gives them the opportunity to earn [in most cases] much more money than they otherwise could. Does the industry profit by their lack of education and opportunity? Yes. But so does the fucking U.S. military. So do a million other corporate entities around the world. Our whole economy is based on profiting from the limited opportunities of the third world [see neo-colonialism]. And yet the people who perform in pornography are accused of producing "nothing of value to society", because all they do is fuck on film. Whereas lawyers, business executives, journalists, and politicians [who all spend a fair portion of their spare time stroking to porn], are all making the world a better place in their daily efforts to maintain a way of life in America that ensures that millions of dark skinned people around the world will continue to get paid 3 cents and hour. Damn, sign me up to be a "responsible" member of society! I'm really stunned at the average man or woman's capacity to pass judgement on an industry which THEY themselves make one of the most lucrative businesses in America! And no, for the record, I DON'T feel shame or regret when I jackoff to porn. I DON'T think it's unhealthy. And I go out of my way to share pornography with my friends. [it's why they all call me a pervert]. But ya know what? They always take it! They always take it, and I always tell them.. "Enjoy it!" Don't be ashamed of being human... of feeling lust or desire... and wanting to satisfy it in a way that hurts NO ONE! [despite the insane rantings of Catherine McKinnon]. Although the internet has allowed greater access to porn than ever before, pornography itself is not some modern plague that just descended on us with the birth of Gerard Damiano. People have been producing images of sex before recorded history. All those "fertility idols" that were so common in ancient cultures, were nothing more than Gorak's stack of prehistoric Hustlers. This is who we are! We enjoy sex. But we also enjoy sexual fantasy. Indulging our most primitive desire to have power or control over another person. Sometimes people can't make the distinction between reality and fantasy, and in their quest to satisfy those desires, other people get hurt. It's a sad fact of life. But the majority of people are perfectly able to make that distinction. And pornography is what allows them to indulge their deepest, darkest fantasies in a safe and healthy way. And I, for one, think that IS a service that society needs. "The only unnatural sex act is that which you cannot perform." Alfred C. Kinsey "The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your soul grows sick with longing for the things it has forbidden to itself, with desire for what its laws had made unlawful." Oscar Wilde "I love me some titties!" Me 
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#149916 - 03/10/06 09:30 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 01/09/06
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holly is an inspiration to young women who unashamedly pursue what they want in the face of oppressive mores. her work appeals to anyone who can appreciate the beauty of the female form. while you imply she got a free ride, you ignore that the children of great talent often struggle much harder to achieve recognitition in their field, especially when they share that field with their parents. regardless of the mark they make in their own right, the legitimacy of their accomplishments is questioned by people who are pathetically envious and generous only when it comes to themselves.
she is a master in her craft and you are threatened by her because she doesn't live up to your notion of what a pornographer is - rather, what you think a pornographer should be. fortunately, your views are becoming archaic. there is no nobility in delusions of superiority.
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#149918 - 03/10/06 11:58 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Semantics suck....immoral might be better than evil as a word... I really get off on celebrating the joys of pornography by pointing out just how ridiculous and fucked up it really is. Hence my initial post about a surreal, figurative "robbery" of physical intimacy that happens when a person performs in, or fixates upon pornographic scenes.... Then we turned to the Evil aspects of pornography, and I say that Porn is somewhat "evil" which is why it is so much fun, and interesting, and compelling...and addicting. If Porn was just innocuous, and healthy, who would give a crap about it in the way, manner and extent people currently do? It is the 'sinful' nature of porn that STILL makes it what it is and allows it to serve its purpose, which someone already mentioned so I dont have to feel like a fucking weirdo in repeating: Porn makes people horny, with the ultimate aim being to jerk off .... I just like to type a lot lately, so I seized upon the chance when someone dared to raise the question-equivalent: "Holly Randall: Porn's Little Red Riding Hood or Big Bad She-Wolf?" I think Luke will attest that Holly is both... Little Red Riding Hood in the public eye, and a she-wolf in the bedroom...Hell, Luke will admit Holly is partly evil, but in my opinion that is what makes her such a good 'pornographer', and The Most Erotic Woman in Porn
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#149919 - 03/11/06 01:41 AM
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Holly, you do understand that the majority of people who are responding here, especially in your defense do so from an entirely different perspective than yours. I know that on the surface their words are a comfort to you, but really lets put some perspective on this. They consume. You create. It is easy to flippantly support something that exists only conceptually. Something that is viewed on film or computer screen displayed only at it's most marketable.
There is no attempt at shock value here, but they do not see the puss and lesions, cannot feel the bitterness and worthlessness that many of the "performers" express once they cut away from/are cast aside by the industry.
I never once used the term "evil". You are using that as the construct of your argument. I am not judging you. Or at least I do not in any way feel superior. I just see a simple truth - you make money from filming people do things that you would never do, let alone do for dissemination to the masses. You can dress this fact up in any way that you want. You (or those who have spoken for you) can say there is no gun to their heads and other overly dramatic, yet remarkably analogous statements. A gun made of metal and plastic, no, but a gun none the less (read food/shelter/money for their kids/drugs so that the itching in their brain goes away.) Or do you actually believe, beyond what people say, in the moment and out of necessity that this is what they would choose to do with their lives? That they would say the same 10 years later?
In response to your questions:
I am interested in moral dilemmas's, the human condition etc. Porn to me is a petri dish of such study. At this point I really only enjoy it as such.
I was raised in a liberal, non denominational environment. In short, this is not about god/your soul/my soul. I am not even entirely sure any of those things exist.
Now a question for you. If you ever do have a child, especially a daughter. Would you encourage her to become a performer? I am very interested in your answer.
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#149921 - 03/11/06 12:56 PM
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"There is no attempt at shock value here, but they do not see the puss and lesions, cannot feel the bitterness and worthlessness that many of the "performers" express once they cut away from/are cast aside by the industry."
"Now a question for you. If you ever do have a child, especially a daughter. Would you encourage her to become a performer? I am very interested in your answer."
Your right on the money with this mate ! Its like putting a daguerreotype of near perfect holographic realness in front of them,
only to be fucked up by the mirror image of their own self image, they just cant see past themselves.
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#149922 - 03/11/06 04:46 PM
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I've invited a couple of writer friends to guest on this column. Both declined; they're engaged in new projects (as are we all) and have vowed not to take on any writing assignment that doesn't pay. This gave me pause for thought. The sudden drop in frequency of these columns isn't the result ... that's due to my mother's continuing illness and consequent hospital visiting time. As I come to the end of a third novel, however, with the two previous wonderful ones so far unsold, finances are of course due to take a stranglehold on Kami's deepthroat. I can continue writing for nothing, but I cant expect to live off it. Money has to come from somewhere. My optimism of course is uncurable. My new novel inspires me as being a masterpiece which someone surely will recognize as such. If they fail to do that with sufficient speed there's always the Van Gogh and Kafka route, genius lamentably unrecognized in their lifetimes but genius nevertheless. Such arrogance is half playful, half realistic - without such self-perception these last few years would have been an insane waste of time. Also as my mother has flirted with the eternal these past weeks, one develops a new sense of priorities. I presume my life to have some purpose behind it, and know the main fruits of that purpose are my writings. That's more of a vocation that it is commercial. I may end up writing for nothing, but that doesn't mean the writing isn't everything. 
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#149923 - 03/11/06 04:56 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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I am interested in moral dilemmas's, the human condition etc. Porn to me is a petri dish of such study. At this point I really only enjoy it as such.
I was raised in a liberal, non denominational environment. In short, this is not about god/your soul/my soul. I am not even entirely sure any of those things exist.
Now a question for you. If you ever do have a child, especially a daughter. Would you encourage her to become a performer? I am very interested in your answer.
that you even view porn as a "moral dilemma" is indicative of your problem with assigning blame where none needs be assigned. there will always be girls who want attention and money, and there will always be men who want girls. that a former pornstar feels "cheated" when she is no longer wanted isn't bad or wrong in itself because the girl's value lies solely in how attractive she is. when she is discarded, it is not a statement of her worthlessness but of her lack of relevance in an industry which demands youth and beauty; one in which few 'legends' are ever created.
it is the girl's, and not holly's, sole responsibility to make herself into a person who isn't defined by her looks and subsequent popularity in an admittedly shallow industry. that some of these girls made the decision to forego education so that they didn't have to strive in the face of adversity (feeding children, what have you) is more a testament to the reality of their own lack of tenacity than a hypothetical gun.
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#149924 - 03/11/06 05:34 PM
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Chronic Masturbator
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well, i felt an urge to chime in on this thread.... so i will.
First off I agree that this mindset is a result of our cultures outlook on sex. Burg put it best about how we hide our pornography... It is that way in all cultures, cultures with a more liberated attitude toward sex dont see it as dirty or destructive. I think the view of the porn star as a drug addict, desperate human being is another result of that. Due to the fact that we cannot help but see sex as dirty we see those who use it for profit as dirty as well and then it becomes a self fufilling prophecy, hence the higher quality in the european and asian woman in pornography. They come from cultures that are more sexaully libereated and where being a sexual being isn't an evil dirty thing. The pronograhy that our culture has spawned is indicative of this mindset as well. In Europe when they do rough things, it is with passion... something most american male porn talent and directors cannot understand. they dont see passion because they can't feel it, they feel dirty, degredation so that is what they shoot and that is what we breed. There is no psychology to it. Americans look ad BDSM videos or domination porn from europe or japan and only see it as degrading, not the artistic psychological value therein... the fact that it is not done in a truly degrading fashion... buit when it is translated to our culture it is... mind you asia does have some extremes as well that we locked in by the guilt ramming we did when we took over their governments post world war 2. but as the most sexually stifled cultue in the world it is amazing we produce so much pornography... mostly because every idiot with a camera and a few saved up paychecks thinks he is the next Vince Voyuer. Hence why while we produce the most, we of course obvioulsy produce the most... crap. American porn by and large is the shittiest, most unerotic, crap that has ever been displayed on a screen. Our outlook towards the women who choose to use their sexuality for profit , has become a self fufilling prophecy and most girls who should be in porn, wont because they are too well adjusted to deal with the worthless whining throngs that fill the american adult industry and the shitty directors not interested in doing anything but putting enough product on the shelf to possibly even make a dime in the oversaturated market. Give me Euro girls any day, at least they try to look interested, and them male talent dont suck as bad as the viagra fueled meat puppets in the states.
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#149925 - 03/11/06 07:40 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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Give me Euro girls any day
is that like a tranny? after all you made keiko an honest woman. did she beat you at arm wrestling? did she rip your fucking arm off? ^_^
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#149926 - 03/11/06 07:45 PM
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no sweetie, that means girls from Europe. ahhh the american education system strikes again, so sad.
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#149927 - 03/11/06 08:01 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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no sweetie, that means girls from Europe. ahhh the american education system strikes again, so sad.
homeschooled, suck a dick. just because you were "too smart" and had too much going for you to finish school doesn't give you the right to ridicule. if you did finish school (which i sincerely doubt) your very existence, as a failed 'alt porn' performer reduced to drag, proves your premise of the inadequacy of public education.
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#149928 - 03/11/06 08:06 PM
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ummm reduced to drag... sorry sweetie, havent done any drag since i was 18 and on a rocky horror cast.
as far as my schooling... it's a fight you will lose.
Who the fuck are you anyway... i'm not failed at anything as i am far from done with porn... just done with L.A.
and its better to fail than be a nobody heckling from the sidelines... saw you pics darling, you need a jog more than i do.
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#149929 - 03/11/06 08:10 PM
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Rawk awn dawgs. Yes, yes, yes.
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#149930 - 03/11/06 08:14 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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ummm reduced to drag... sorry sweetie, havent done any drag since i was 18 and on a rocky horror cast.
as far as my schooling... it's a fight you will lose.
Who the fuck are you anyway... i'm not failed at anything as i am far from done with porn... just done with L.A.
and its better to fail than be a nobody heckling from the sidelines... saw you pics darling, you need a jog more than i do.
thanks auntie longshot, i'll pass on the pie next time. it doesn't matter what you say or what you do, you were in rocky horror show, you wear false eyelashes, you're married to keiko, you have tiny hands, you're rob longshot and insulting you is as easy as taking a number
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#149931 - 03/11/06 08:21 PM
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Chronic Masturbator
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i dont wear false eylashes, those are real sweetie. I do wear eyeliner... been doing it since i was 14...
you look like a chubby insecure emo girl who makes herself feel better by making fun of peoople online and jumping on bandwagons in a desperate attempt to be one of the kool kids. I bet your a cutter.
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#149932 - 03/11/06 08:28 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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yeah, i'm cutting and crying over here. just because those kinds of people surrounded you growing up doesn't mean that every girl who is more educated than you and wears glasses is some sort of gothic headcase.
obviously you are and have been for a long time: you said it yourself, you've been wearing eyeliner since you were fourteen and you use the phrase "kool kids" with absolutely no acknowledgment of how intensely gay it is. i may be a fatty bitch but at least i'm not a two bit faggot whipbiter.
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#149933 - 03/11/06 08:39 PM
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Chronic Masturbator
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i was using "kool kids" as a way of making fun of you. and no the people i hung out with drove the cutters to cutting. and resorting to the fact that you think you are more educated than me is hilarious. Today i debugged the PHP on three sites, edited a movie, started building a new site.. and writing letters to the mayor of a small town in Italy, in Italian to request some birth certificates and a marrigage certificate... and then found time to wax idiotic with a woman who can't stand her societal place. 
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#149934 - 03/11/06 08:45 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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i may be a fatty bitch
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#149935 - 03/11/06 08:47 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 01/09/06
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i was using "kool kids" as a way of making fun of you.
and no the people i hung out with drove the cutters to cutting.
and resorting to the fact that you think you are more educated than me is hilarious. Today i debugged the PHP on three sites, edited a movie, started building a new site.. and writing letters to the mayor of a small town in Italy, in Italian to request some birth certificates and a marrigage certificate... and then found time to wax idiotic with a woman who can't stand her societal place.
hahaha "a letter to an italian in italy in italian." you're right, i can't stand my societal place. i wish i was a cool and influential male performer and that my wife was a beautiful and elegant woman. what's this new site dedicated to? why so much useless information offered as proof of how meaningless and unimportant your life is? i also like how none of it "is" anything, like you sitting around in your pajamas running adaware and scratching your nuts to the cure is some huge newsworthy task.
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#149936 - 03/11/06 09:13 PM
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 12/22/03
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the cure havent released a decent album since 95.
I run my anti-virus and adware stuff while i sleep... and the sites arent mine... they are stes people pay me to build for them. Never said i was an influential male performer... never wanted to be. I stuck my dick in a lot of women on and off camera and will continue to. I liketo fuck, its my hobby.
oh and btw.... Ti metto il cazzo in culo e te lo faccio uscire dalla bocca, porca puttana. Siete non vale un cazzo.
Fatti i cazzi tuoi, topa. Sei una busta de piscio, brutta strega.
Distinti saluti.
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#149937 - 03/11/06 09:16 PM
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#149939 - 03/11/06 09:30 PM
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Chronic Masturbator
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bah, no flame war smut... just me killing time while shit renders.
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#149941 - 03/11/06 09:40 PM
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Chronic Masturbator
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it is a shame that my attempt at chiming in intellectually on the subject had to be dragged down by petty idocy.
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#149942 - 03/11/06 09:57 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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I like Holly but I agree with every word that Kaiser Sauze wrote. I experience this conflict as a battle between my values (with Kaiser) vs my feelings (with Holly).
I don't explicate on my beliefs on this with Holly or any porner because it would be pointless. Yes, the Bible says you should reprove people if they are doing wrong, but only if they will listen to you. "Reprove a wise man and he will love you. Don't reprove a fool for he will hate you."
I would not want anyone I cared about performing in porn films, but for many years I have financially profited from their self-destruction through banner ads on my sites.
Here is what Allan MacDonnell (he was the Editor of Hustler magazine and worked for LFP's editorial side for about 20 years) writes in his new memoir Prisoner of X:
"All the skin photographers I met reinforced the prejudice that theirs, more than any other, is a craft of deception. The girls are fooled into believing they are receiving free money. The viewer is duped into believing the photographer has captured the girl in a moment of ecstasy. One photo shoot visit too many ruins the illusions. Afterward, you look at a "nude glamor" shot, and you see a strained expression held for the duration of a camera click. If you are not careful, your cynicism penetrates beyond the illusions of hte photo layouts, and nothing in real life seems authentic anymore."
I hate to be mean but there is such a gargantuan difference in the quality of the writing between those defending Holly and Kaiser Sauze. One guy spells and punctuates correctly and writes clearly (showing he thinks clearly). I like Cassandra and Da Burglar and I don't want to lose their good will, but I would not want them defending me in such slipshod writing. Holly is a grammar and spelling snob. I adore that about her. I know she loves the defense of her, but she must be appalled at the abuse of the English language (DB, Cassandra, you know there's nothing personal in my point).
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#149943 - 03/11/06 10:26 PM
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Porn Jesus
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I like Holly but I agree with every word that Kaiser Sauze wrote. I experience this conflict as a battle between my values (with Kaiser) vs my feelings (with Holly).
I don't explicate on my beliefs on this with Holly or any porner because it would be pointless. Yes, the Bible says you should reprove people if they are doing wrong, but only if they will listen to you. "Reprove a wise man and he will love you. Don't reprove a fool for he will hate you."
I would not want anyone I cared about performing in porn films, but for many years I have financially profited from their self-destruction through banner ads on my sites.
Here is what Allan MacDonnell (he was the Editor of Hustler magazine and worked for LFP's editorial side for about 20 years) writes in his new memoir Prisoner of X:
"All the skin photographers I met reinforced the prejudice that theirs, more than any other, is a craft of deception. The girls are fooled into believing they are receiving free money. The viewer is duped into believing the photographer has captured the girl in a moment of ecstasy. One photo shoot visit too many ruins the illusions. Afterward, you look at a "nude glamor" shot, and you see a strained expression held for the duration of a camera click. If you are not careful, your cynicism penetrates beyond the illusions of hte photo layouts, and nothing in real life seems authentic anymore."
I hate to be mean but there is such a gargantuan difference in the quality of the writing between those defending Holly and Kaiser Sauze. One guy spells and punctuates correctly and writes clearly (showing he thinks clearly). I like Cassandra and Da Burglar and I don't want to lose their good will, but I would not want them defending me in such slipshod writing. Holly is a grammar and spelling snob. I adore that about her. I know she loves the defense of her, but she must be appalled at the abuse of the English language (DB, Cassandra, you know there's nothing personal in my point).
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#149945 - 03/11/06 11:38 PM
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Porn Jesus
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I hate to be mean but there is such a gargantuan difference in the quality of the writing between those defending Holly and Kaiser Sauze. One guy spells and punctuates correctly and writes clearly (showing he thinks clearly). I like Cassandra and Da Burglar and I don't want to lose their good will, but I would not want them defending me in such slipshod writing. Holly is a grammar and spelling snob. I adore that about her. I know she loves the defense of her, but she must be appalled at the abuse of the English language (DB, Cassandra, you know there's nothing personal in my point).
I went back and re-read both my own and cassandra's posts, and, gee whiz, I didnt think the writing was all that 'slipshod', for XPT anyway. Some would say it has to be somewhat slipshod in order for people that visit here to understand it....
I admit, I am not thinking clearly (as I am often not when it comes to porn), but usually I can just type my way through it...and arrive at something that makes sense. I defended Holly because I like her and, as far as pornographers go, she is seemingly 'less evil' and more concerned with the girls' welfare than most. But I also agreed with a lot of what Kaiser said (I just felt it harsh to single out Holly so specifically, especially on his first post)...Hell I even placed myself at the top of the "Evil" Porn Triad (as a consumer/viewer of porn & sex...)
But that is precisely my Point about Porn: It is an enigma, a contradiction, a two sided coin:
Porn depicts intimate acts done in the most non-intimate way and settings; it depicts pleasure and yet is full of pain and heartache; I enjoy much of what I see and jerk off to, but I also sometimes feel very empty and foolish for doing so. The Angel on my right shoulder tells me it is immoral, but the devil with his dick in his hand standing on my left shoulder rationalizes "Relax, whack away, you are not actually fucking these girls yourself, its all in your head..." Both the Devil and the Angel are correct...It's a huge GRAY area...and I already alluded to Holly figuratively representing something of an enigma in my Little Red Riding Hood/She-wolf analogy.
I really intended this thread to discuss what I realized would be a tough situation to deal with, namely, If I had a relationship with a porn starlet, and I actually did something like cum inside of her during intercourse, I would be denied (robbed) of much of the intimacy typically associated with this act because thousands of men around the world would be viewing (and jerking off to) that VERY same event with my would-be porn starlet partner. Is Holly, or the other pornographers, primarily responsible for that, or is my porn partner?
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#149947 - 03/12/06 01:01 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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I like Holly but I agree with every word that Kaiser Sauze wrote. I experience this conflict as a battle between my values (with Kaiser) vs my feelings (with Holly).
I don't explicate on my beliefs on this with Holly or any porner because it would be pointless. Yes, the Bible says you should reprove people if they are doing wrong, but only if they will listen to you. "Reprove a wise man and he will love you. Don't reprove a fool for he will hate you."
I would not want anyone I cared about performing in porn films, but for many years I have financially profited from their self-destruction through banner ads on my sites.
Here is what Allan MacDonnell (he was the Editor of Hustler magazine and worked for LFP's editorial side for about 20 years) writes in his new memoir Prisoner of X:
"All the skin photographers I met reinforced the prejudice that theirs, more than any other, is a craft of deception. The girls are fooled into believing they are receiving free money. The viewer is duped into believing the photographer has captured the girl in a moment of ecstasy. One photo shoot visit too many ruins the illusions. Afterward, you look at a "nude glamor" shot, and you see a strained expression held for the duration of a camera click. If you are not careful, your cynicism penetrates beyond the illusions of hte photo layouts, and nothing in real life seems authentic anymore."
I hate to be mean but there is such a gargantuan difference in the quality of the writing between those defending Holly and Kaiser Sauze. One guy spells and punctuates correctly and writes clearly (showing he thinks clearly). I like Cassandra and Da Burglar and I don't want to lose their good will, but I would not want them defending me in such slipshod writing. Holly is a grammar and spelling snob. I adore that about her. I know she loves the defense of her, but she must be appalled at the abuse of the English language (DB, Cassandra, you know there's nothing personal in my point).
well, mr. ford, i'd be grateful if you found the time to proofread some of my writing. up to this point i thought i was doing pretty well, but it appears i could use a lot of help.
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#149948 - 03/12/06 01:12 AM
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Chronic Masturbator
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bah, it was a typo arab.
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#149949 - 03/12/06 01:28 AM
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Even assuming that nobody would actually want to work in porn [which -although I'm willing to concede the point for the sake of argument- is a falacious assumption], how is working in porn any different than any other job that people do strictly for money? I don't like waiting tables... but my physical labor is exploited and I'm compensated monetarily. In what substantive way is performing in porn different? Is the primary difference that the "labor" consists primarily of performing sexual acts? And are we to assume that performing sexual acts is necessarily more degrading or exploitative than other forms of physical labor? And is it only degrading to women? I notice the focus is almost always on the supposed misery of the women performing. Is doing porn less degrading for men? And if so, how come so many men seem more than willing to do it? I think this whole argument is founded, on the one hand, on an antiquated notion that sex -particularly for women- is somehow sacrosanct, and not just a simple biological process... and on the other hand, on an archaic double-standard that says promiscuity is a vice when exhibited by women, but somewhat more acceptable when exhibited by men.
As I stated before, working in porn offers a lot of these performers the opportunity to make much more money than they'd earn doing anything else. As Nina Hartley has said, "These women do not have a choice of Harvard or porn. It's porn or white paper hat, porn or double-wide trailer". If there are cases where working in the industry leads to personal misfortune, I can only conclude that in many, if not most of those cases, it arises not from horrible emotional scars left by promiscuous sex [which a lot of these girls were having long before they entered porn], but by the reckless self-indulgence so common when people acquire wealth and a measure of fame overnight. Despite the stereotype, substance abuse, financial ruin, and misery is not the rule by default in porn. Performers have a choice. Porn can be a blessing or a curse. What people in the industry make of it is largely a matter of personal character. But to blame porn or pornographers like Holly for the self-destructive behavior of some performers, is rather like blaming producers, agents, and sports team owners for the self-destructive behavior of actors and pro athletes. Is there any difference? Should these people feel morally responsible because they profitted from other people's misery? Of course not, because there's absolutely no need for misery. The baseless and false assumption underlying Kaiser's argument, is that all performers in porn [at least the female ones] enter the industry under duress, out of "desperation", and are invariably "victims" of the industry... not willing participants.
Finally, why attack those who produce rather than those who consume? You can point the finger at pornographers all you want, but the industry would be non-existent if it weren't for an insatiable public demand. So why should Holly or anyone else in the business feel guilty for giving us all exactly what we want? If you find pornography personally objectionable, don't watch it. But please don't try to impose your moral viewpoint on the rest of the world. Many of us don't share it.
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#149951 - 03/12/06 09:20 AM
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Finally, why attack those who produce rather than those who consume? You can point the finger at pornographers all you want, but the industry would be non-existent if it weren't for an insatiable public demand. So why should Holly or anyone else in the business feel guilty for giving us all exactly what we want? If you find pornography personally objectionable, don't watch it. But please don't try to impose your moral viewpoint on the rest of the world. Many of us don't share it.
My point exactly, after the original thread's topic, which everyone seemed to enjoy talking about (Intimacy) became hijacked by Kaiser's well expressed but harsh attack on Holly. I now accept my share of RESPONSIBILITY, as a consumer (at first casual, but in the last month, serious) of Pornography for it's existence...if the demand wasn't there, it would not exist to the extent and in the Manner in which it does...Porn itself is neither inherently Bad or Good (it's innocuous more or less with respect to most people whether they are consumers or performers, but might be slightly more negative than positive in terms of its overall potential impact)...Pornography impacts each person according to how that person already is inside (happy, stable, self-destructive, selfish, weak, insane, etc.) Just like the observation about money: Money doesnt CAUSE problems for people, people cause their own problems, Money just magnifies and alters the DEGREE and scope of the problems. Same with Porn...chicks who leave porn fucked up either entered Porn Fucked up, or the problems were most likely under the surface but came bubbling forth through Porn. I will examine Porn as it affects me further in a different thread, this one is shot out like Kelly Wells' Gaping Rectum
BUT....One last observation on Real, Genuine Intimacy and Porn (and how it can rob those who either perform in it or have relationships with porn performers.) I notice that some Porn Chicks Seemingly Climax during their porn scenes, some having multiple, INTENSE, Genuine orgasms. I find this to be anxiety-inducing: If I am in a relationship with a porn starlet, even if she does climax with me, I am not experiencing anything truly special or genuinely intimate, because thousands of MEN all around the world are witnessing her orgasm at the same time as I am trying to experience it with her in person...this is like having to share her with the rest of the world, and it is dishearteneing to think that I would never live up to her orgasmic experiences on a Porn Set, that everyone else is actually able to see/witness through her films. I feel hopelessly inadequate and insecure now...How did she become so sex crazed/orgasm obsessed? Intimacy counts for nothing, Love for nothing, it is all about those fleeting seconds of intense cerebral sexual activity in her brain during orgasm...my good heartedness, my concern for her well being, my exceptionally good hygiene, my ability to quote romantic excerpts from Keats or Shelley or Shakespeare, my ability to give footmassages and cook...none of this MATTERS, none of these earnest sincere expressions of intimacy, because for whatever reason, women under age 30 (and in particular, women who are in porn) are greedy and empty...they need 4, 5, 7, 12 or more dicks at a time...they want MANY men (or women, in the form of Piss) cumming on them at once because they cant be happy with one partner...they seem to only care about Orgasms (their own and mens' which they use to keep score), and Money, and Attention, and Pot, and...and.... 
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#149952 - 03/12/06 09:31 AM
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hey longshot, been with any men since you got back home? or is keiko's new haircut short enough that if you squint your eyes hard enough, she kinda looks like the other guy from WHAM!
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#149953 - 03/12/06 09:39 AM
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i refuse to read anything with as high a wordcount as people seem to be posting unless you pay me ungodly sums of money/hour. here's lord asmus, he's got a tat on his penis. his penis is larger than rob longshot's. 
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#149954 - 03/12/06 10:32 AM
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i refuse to read anything with as high a wordcount as people seem to be posting unless you pay me ungodly sums of money/hour.
here's lord asmus, he's got a tat on his penis. his penis is larger than rob longshot's.
You kill me Jamesn. I love to read your shit. Where ya been? 
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#149955 - 03/12/06 10:51 AM
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I like Holly but I agree with every word that Kaiser Sauze wrote. I experience this conflict as a battle between my values (with Kaiser) vs my feelings (with Holly).
I don't explicate on my beliefs on this with Holly or any porner because it would be pointless. Yes, the Bible says you should reprove people if they are doing wrong, but only if they will listen to you. "Reprove a wise man and he will love you. Don't reprove a fool for he will hate you."
I would not want anyone I cared about performing in porn films, but for many years I have financially profited from their self-destruction through banner ads on my sites.
Precisely...you are a hypocrite Luke. Neither fish nor fowl, but 100% pussy through and through. If you were a real man with the courage of your convictions, you'd pick a side and come down off the fence, but instead you continue to speak out of both sides of your mouth, and weaken both sets of arguments (those arguments being 'Porn is evil' and 'Join Suze.net' respectively).
I couldn't give a damn which side you pick, pro-porn or anti-porn, but you can't hunt with the hounds and run with the foxes. All it does is undermine what little credibility you have even further. Fact is, you make money through banner ads, just like me. PORN banner ads, not banner ads for Steven Spielberg's latest opus. Therefore, you, just like me, are as 'tainted' or 'dirty' as Holly is, as her mum is, as Steve Hirsch is, as Steve Orenstein is, as Rob Black is, as Jeff Steward is, as Khan Tusion is, as Max Hardcore is and so on ad nauseum.
And you know what? I'm proud of the fact. I'm proud to be 'dirty'. And I'm only gonna get dirtier as the years go by.
I don't care for Max Hardcore or his product, but I respect him more than you because he's not afraid to do what he wants to do without trying to rationalise it. If you are truly as anti-porn as you claim to be, why not simply remove all the adult banners from Lukeisback.com and replace them with something more wholesome...amazon.com, ebay, so on and so forth. Why not? Because you are a hypocrite is the long and short of it.
As for the old 'Would you want your daughter doing that?' chestnut...well, if she's over 18 and that's what she wants to do, good luck to her. Better to do porn than telesales. 
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#149956 - 03/12/06 10:55 AM
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You are to Rob Black what Mini-Me is to Dr. Evil in this pic, Longshot... 
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#149957 - 03/12/06 10:59 AM
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#149958 - 03/12/06 01:00 PM
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bah, it was a typo arab.
See, that's kind of the point, Rob. There are now three people posting to this thread who I am 100% certain are (a.) more intelligent than you, (b.) wealthier than you, (c.) went to better schools than you and (d.) can refer to themselves by a title other than "LORD MASTER OV TEH DARKNESS." And those are only the ones I'm certain of.
Yet only one person is this thread is crowing about being an intellectual, while littering his posts with "typos" which betray a frightening unfamiliarity with the English language. Only one person talks about what schools they went to, even though I'm quite sure that the only way you could get on campus of the two fine institutions I cut my teeth at is with a slopbucket and a nametag. Only one person talks about how fantastic his career is, with the requisite money attached, even though he made his "living" for a few years selling his soulmate's love canal, which is a step below selling your own blood and a very small step above selling children to sex offenders on the scale of human worthlessness.
In other words, you're out of your fucking league here Longshot, so save the mock-intellectual pose for the 16 year olds you're trying to lure into a threesome at Klub Deth, okay? Namaste, and good luck on the whole steady climb from C-List porn couple to D-Grade human beings.
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#149959 - 03/12/06 01:59 PM
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while longshot's not stupid, he was one uppity bobcat-ewok who could never really deign to admit he was in porn, bisexual, or incapable of getting his employers to pay him. i remember him saying
"and while we are posting scores.... SAT =1480 ACT=33. "
the truth is, if your PSAT's were in that range, you would have been on countless recruiting lists your junior year that resulted in a mailbox stuffed with brochures. financial aid? they'd find it.
even "outsiders" with near-1500's don't fall through the cracks-they end up degreed engineers, lawyers, doctors, or changing dollar bills in midtown. are we to believe you really passed up a free degree and shot at a six-figure income to try your hand at porn? or are the fake numbers and repeated infantilization of everyone around you a self-defense mechanism of someone who needed something to feel good about as paycheck after paycheck bounced? we all spell things wrong, dark leader, i just believe your scores as much as the claim keiko was accepted into juiliard from some interview.
just yesterday young rob confuses whether with weather-far more damning than the wrong keystroke and agrees with fellow bi-sexual steve holmes.
"tm with steve, i would go do a scene and then go home and fuck or go to a swingers party... woe to the person who can't enjoy sex, weather its a job or no. "
are you trying to be like eon because he got people to pay him to make porn?
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#149960 - 03/12/06 04:40 PM
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#149961 - 03/12/06 04:48 PM
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while longshot's not stupid, he was one uppity bobcat-ewok who could never really deign to admit he was in porn, bisexual, or incapable of getting his employers to pay him.
I'm a little confused by this.. i've never denied I was in porn, I love porn and I love fucking... I never denied being bi-sexual, no one ever asked, and Rob Black always paid me... some others, maybe not... but that wasn't till recently.
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I remember him saying
"and while we are posting scores.... SAT =1480 ACT=33. "
the truth is, if your PSAT's were in that range, you would have been on countless recruiting lists your junior year that resulted in a mailbox stuffed with brochures. financial aid? they'd find it.
even "outsiders" with near-1500's don't fall through the cracks-they end up degreed engineers, lawyers, doctors, or changing dollar bills in midtown. are we to believe you really passed up a free degree and shot at a six-figure income to try your hand at porn? or are the fake numbers and repeated infantilization of everyone around you a self-defense mechanism of someone who needed something to feel good about as paycheck after paycheck bounced? we all spell things wrong, dark leader, I just believe your scores as much as the claim keiko was accepted into juiliard from some interview.
Actually I did have offer after offer thrown my way, and was offered scholarships to many institutions. However my career choice was in art, and I had chosen to go to the Savannah College of Art and Design. Well, after careful thinking decided that was not the path I wanted to take. As an artist, going to an art college only serves to stifle your own creativity and make you create in the same way as everyone else. I already was making decent money designing websites and doing freelance coding since I was 14, and since I wasn't' even 16 yet when I graduated high school I decided I was going to tool around on my own for a while. Travel the U.S. learn by experiencing life rather than sitting in a classroom. Later after I turned 18 I went to the University of Central Florida and began studying software engineering, until my father died and I took stock in what was important in life... See, I don't see the world the way you do. I am not into amassing large amounts of stuff and working so hard I never enjoy it and then die never seeing much of the world beyond my front door. THAT is the real reason I left L.A. was that I felt that begin to happen to me. I suffer from terminal curiosity at the world around from me and a serious case of wanderlust. Porn was and is an outlet for my lust for the pleasures of the flesh, and my desire to fuck as many people as possible. Sex is my only drug. I am an artist, I don't do the normal life thing, I considered it when moving back here... and I do it to a degree, I have a job one would call normal-ish, and I have my freelancing. And then we go out and fuck strippers and swingers. I couldn't handle a life in the normal rat race, nor would I want to. I plan on leaving the states in a few months to go bum around Europe for a few years. visit my ancestral lands. work on music. fuck french whores in alleyways. Grab life by the balls and give it a good firm squeeze which most people fail to do. Keiko and I didn't get into porn because of money, the money was a great bonus, but we both love to fuck. We were swingers and said lets make some money doing this, could be fun. No addictions to feed other than an addiction to flesh. She did't like working with certain people, that's for damned sure... but loved working with the ones that had an ounce of skill. My music is my other passion, one that I have never stopped working on, and will never stop. I don't do it for the hope of being rich and famous from it... I do it for the love of creating. I apologize if my approach to existence does no fit within you meager comprehension of it. I really care nothing for possessions, other than those I use to create. My tools, my passions, my faith and my love are what guide me. Money is just a nessascary evil. As long as I make enough to keep a roof over my head, pay for my tools and keep food in my belly I am happy. I find it amusing that people have such a hard time with that outlook on life... trust me it is much less stressful, and bears much greater fruit.
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just yesterday young rob confuses whether with weather-far more damning than the wrong keystroke and agrees with fellow bi-sexual steve holmes.
"tm with steve, I would go do a scene and then go home and fuck or go to a swingers party... woe to the person who can't enjoy sex, weather its a job or no. "
are you trying to be like eon because he got people to pay him to make porn?
you caught me in a grammatical error. I apologize. sometimes when I am typing quickly I just go with what came out.
And so what if I am bisexual. So what if Steve is bi-sexual. We expect all the women in porn to be bi-sexual. we expect them all to take unprotected cock in their ass. but if a man admits to being bi-sexual... which, even though I admit to it, there are many others who are... it is such a taboo thing. I like sex in all of its form and function. to me it is the essence of our existence and I would be losing out on an experience to deny myself pleasure based out outmoded social mores. I wish more men in porn would stand up and just admit to being bisexual... most of the better male performers are ones who I have seen in gay features who do straight porn. because they love sex and are able to enjoy it without any inhibition or restraint. I'm sure the HIV comments will pop up. But the girls have just as much chance of catching HIV from a straight man fucking them in the ass without a condom. the gay/bi = HIV thing is a ignorant mindset only embraced by people looking for one more reason male homosexuality is wrong.
To quote Ron White "we are all gay it just depends on to what degree"
"no way I am not gay at all"
"do you watch porn"
"hell yeah"
"Do you watch only lesbian porn"
"no I like to watch a man and woman make love"
"do you like the guy to have a small flaccid penis"
"HELL NO, I LIKE BIG THROBBING HARD COCKS!.... I did not know that about my self"
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#149965 - 03/12/06 08:14 PM
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I am bisexual.
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#149966 - 03/12/06 08:42 PM
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#149967 - 03/13/06 05:57 AM
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i refuse to read anything with as high a wordcount as people seem to be posting unless you pay me ungodly sums of money/hour.
here's lord asmus, he's got a tat on his penis. his penis is larger than rob longshot's.
I thought Lord Asmus was Brandon!!! Maybe thats Brandon without his makeup? 
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#149971 - 03/13/06 07:00 PM
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this is desperate and unreadable, you're welcome to re-submit it by the weekend should you wish it to be read. Quote:
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while longshot's not stupid, he was one uppity bobcat-ewok who could never really deign to admit he was in porn, bisexual, or incapable of getting his employers to pay him.
I'm a little confused by this.. i've never denied I was in porn, I love porn and I love fucking... I never denied being bi-sexual, no one ever asked, and Rob Black always paid me... some others, maybe not... but that wasn't till recently.
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I remember him saying
"and while we are posting scores.... SAT =1480 ACT=33. "
the truth is, if your PSAT's were in that range, you would have been on countless recruiting lists your junior year that resulted in a mailbox stuffed with brochures. financial aid? they'd find it.
even "outsiders" with near-1500's don't fall through the cracks-they end up degreed engineers, lawyers, doctors, or changing dollar bills in midtown. are we to believe you really passed up a free degree and shot at a six-figure income to try your hand at porn? or are the fake numbers and repeated infantilization of everyone around you a self-defense mechanism of someone who needed something to feel good about as paycheck after paycheck bounced? we all spell things wrong, dark leader, I just believe your scores as much as the claim keiko was accepted into juiliard from some interview.
Actually I did have offer after offer thrown my way, and was offered scholarships to many institutions. However my career choice was in art, and I had chosen to go to the Savannah College of Art and Design. Well, after careful thinking decided that was not the path I wanted to take. As an artist, going to an art college only serves to stifle your own creativity and make you create in the same way as everyone else. I already was making decent money designing websites and doing freelance coding since I was 14, and since I wasn't' even 16 yet when I graduated high school I decided I was going to tool around on my own for a while. Travel the U.S. learn by experiencing life rather than sitting in a classroom. Later after I turned 18 I went to the University of Central Florida and began studying software engineering, until my father died and I took stock in what was important in life... See, I don't see the world the way you do. I am not into amassing large amounts of stuff and working so hard I never enjoy it and then die never seeing much of the world beyond my front door. THAT is the real reason I left L.A. was that I felt that begin to happen to me. I suffer from terminal curiosity at the world around from me and a serious case of wanderlust. Porn was and is an outlet for my lust for the pleasures of the flesh, and my desire to fuck as many people as possible. Sex is my only drug. I am an artist, I don't do the normal life thing, I considered it when moving back here... and I do it to a degree, I have a job one would call normal-ish, and I have my freelancing. And then we go out and fuck strippers and swingers. I couldn't handle a life in the normal rat race, nor would I want to. I plan on leaving the states in a few months to go bum around Europe for a few years. visit my ancestral lands. work on music. fuck french whores in alleyways. Grab life by the balls and give it a good firm squeeze which most people fail to do. Keiko and I didn't get into porn because of money, the money was a great bonus, but we both love to fuck. We were swingers and said lets make some money doing this, could be fun. No addictions to feed other than an addiction to flesh. She did't like working with certain people, that's for damned sure... but loved working with the ones that had an ounce of skill. My music is my other passion, one that I have never stopped working on, and will never stop. I don't do it for the hope of being rich and famous from it... I do it for the love of creating. I apologize if my approach to existence does no fit within you meager comprehension of it. I really care nothing for possessions, other than those I use to create. My tools, my passions, my faith and my love are what guide me. Money is just a nessascary evil. As long as I make enough to keep a roof over my head, pay for my tools and keep food in my belly I am happy. I find it amusing that people have such a hard time with that outlook on life... trust me it is much less stressful, and bears much greater fruit.
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just yesterday young rob confuses whether with weather-far more damning than the wrong keystroke and agrees with fellow bi-sexual steve holmes.
"tm with steve, I would go do a scene and then go home and fuck or go to a swingers party... woe to the person who can't enjoy sex, weather its a job or no. "
are you trying to be like eon because he got people to pay him to make porn?
you caught me in a grammatical error. I apologize. sometimes when I am typing quickly I just go with what came out.
And so what if I am bisexual. So what if Steve is bi-sexual. We expect all the women in porn to be bi-sexual. we expect them all to take unprotected cock in their ass. but if a man admits to being bi-sexual... which, even though I admit to it, there are many others who are... it is such a taboo thing. I like sex in all of its form and function. to me it is the essence of our existence and I would be losing out on an experience to deny myself pleasure based out outmoded social mores. I wish more men in porn would stand up and just admit to being bisexual... most of the better male performers are ones who I have seen in gay features who do straight porn. because they love sex and are able to enjoy it without any inhibition or restraint. I'm sure the HIV comments will pop up. But the girls have just as much chance of catching HIV from a straight man fucking them in the ass without a condom. the gay/bi = HIV thing is a ignorant mindset only embraced by people looking for one more reason male homosexuality is wrong.
To quote Ron White "we are all gay it just depends on to what degree"
"no way I am not gay at all"
"do you watch porn"
"hell yeah"
"Do you watch only lesbian porn"
"no I like to watch a man and woman make love"
"do you like the guy to have a small flaccid penis"
"HELL NO, I LIKE BIG THROBBING HARD COCKS!.... I did not know that about my self"
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#149973 - 03/13/06 10:10 PM
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I like Holly but I agree with every word that Kaiser Sauze wrote. I experience this conflict as a battle between my values (with Kaiser) vs my feelings (with Holly).
I don't explicate on my beliefs on this with Holly or any porner because it would be pointless. Yes, the Bible says you should reprove people if they are doing wrong, but only if they will listen to you. "Reprove a wise man and he will love you. Don't reprove a fool for he will hate you."
I would not want anyone I cared about performing in porn films, but for many years I have financially profited from their self-destruction through banner ads on my sites.
Precisely...you are a hypocrite Luke. Neither fish nor fowl, but 100% pussy through and through. If you were a real man with the courage of your convictions, you'd pick a side and come down off the fence, but instead you continue to speak out of both sides of your mouth, and weaken both sets of arguments (those arguments being 'Porn is evil' and 'Join Suze.net' respectively).
I couldn't give a damn which side you pick, pro-porn or anti-porn, but you can't hunt with the hounds and run with the foxes. All it does is undermine what little credibility you have even further. Fact is, you make money through banner ads, just like me. PORN banner ads, not banner ads for Steven Spielberg's latest opus. Therefore, you, just like me, are as 'tainted' or 'dirty' as Holly is, as her mum is, as Steve Hirsch is, as Steve Orenstein is, as Rob Black is, as Jeff Steward is, as Khan Tusion is, as Max Hardcore is and so on ad nauseum.
And you know what? I'm proud of the fact. I'm proud to be 'dirty'. And I'm only gonna get dirtier as the years go by.
I don't care for Max Hardcore or his product, but I respect him more than you because he's not afraid to do what he wants to do without trying to rationalise it. If you are truly as anti-porn as you claim to be, why not simply remove all the adult banners from Lukeisback.com and replace them with something more wholesome...amazon.com, ebay, so on and so forth. Why not? Because you are a hypocrite is the long and short of it.
This an excellent point. If Luke Ford feels so morally conflicted about the workings of the industry, then maybe he should distance himself from it completely and/or attempt to cease being such a drama-perpetuating, blatantly hypocritical parasite. Either that or own up to the fact he is just as guilty as everyone else (if not more due to the hearsay and tripe he spews out regularly on his website) for perpetuating misery and allover bullshit within porn. Just my worthless .02
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#149974 - 03/14/06 05:11 AM
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"BUT....One last observation on Real, Genuine Intimacy and Porn (and how it can rob those who either perform in it or have relationships with porn performers.) I notice that some Porn Chicks Seemingly Climax during their porn scenes, some having multiple, INTENSE, Genuine orgasms. I find this to be anxiety-inducing: If I am in a relationship with a porn starlet, even if she does climax with me, I am not experiencing anything truly special or genuinely intimate, because thousands of MEN all around the world are witnessing her orgasm at the same time as I am trying to experience it with her in person...this is like having to share her with the rest of the world, and it is dishearteneing to think that I would never live up to her orgasmic experiences on a Porn Set, that everyone else is actually able to see/witness through her films. I feel hopelessly inadequate and insecure now...How did she become so sex crazed/orgasm obsessed? Intimacy counts for nothing, Love for nothing, it is all about those fleeting seconds of intense cerebral sexual activity in her brain during orgasm...my good heartedness, my concern for her well being, my exceptionally good hygiene, my ability to quote romantic excerpts from Keats or Shelley or Shakespeare, my ability to give footmassages and cook...none of this MATTERS, none of these earnest sincere expressions of intimacy, because for whatever reason, women under age 30 (and in particular, women who are in porn) are greedy and empty...they need 4, 5, 7, 12 or more dicks at a time...they want MANY men (or women, in the form of Piss) cumming on them at once because they cant be happy with one partner...they seem to only care about Orgasms (their own and mens' which they use to keep score), and Money, and Attention, and Pot, and...and...."
Last year a close friend of mine had an eighteen year old female heroin addict living with her, this is how she put it:
The intimacy is with the addiction, the addiction cause's selfishness, the selfishness removes all other values & causes criminal behaviour, self harm and harm to others.
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#149975 - 03/14/06 09:12 AM
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#149976 - 03/14/06 01:18 PM
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#149977 - 03/14/06 05:12 PM
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#149978 - 03/14/06 06:21 PM
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#149979 - 10/23/06 09:54 AM
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AC Cream Wannabe
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DOES PORN ROB YOU OF YOUR INTIMACY?
only if you let it.
to me it feeds an addiction.
to nasty sex and attention from men
it allows ya to be free and not give a fuck.
to me i am more intimate now. i feel i know myself a lot more now than before i did porn.
believe it or not but i think that there are girls out there that can make porn can be a "posative experience"
if they can get past all the bull shit with drugs and stupid fucked up nazi-fag agents.
i know it sounds fucked up, oh well. it is not the first fucked up thing that came out of (or into hahaha) my mouth (or the last)
and just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder. is the same true of intimacy?
dont we all have our own concepts of what we consider intimate.
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#149980 - 10/23/06 06:56 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
Registered: 12/09/05
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you've been bumping some obscure threads lately sierra, did someone suggest you post in more threads than just your own one? by the way when that hits 20,000 views i'm coming for my $$$
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#149981 - 10/24/06 12:46 AM
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AC Cream Wannabe
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yes
i caught shit for not posting outside my lil world -o- sinn
i forget that the rest of the pervs want to hear my stoned ramblings.....
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#149983 - 10/27/06 01:10 AM
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Registered: 10/21/05
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Quote:
Does porn Rob You of Longshot? Discuss...
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#149984 - 10/27/06 06:22 AM
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Porn Jesus
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Llooking at that pic...it's just all kinds of aesthetically not pleasing, I can see why meatholes shut down.
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