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#147008 - 02/17/06 07:10 AM Eon McKai to Vivid
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Source: AVN
Author: Dan Miller
Date: 2-16-06

Director Eon McKai has signed an exclusive deal with Vivid Entertainment Group, and will start a new label with the company called Vivid-Alt that reflects his unique brand of adult content.

McKai is credited with helping to spearhead the alt-porn movement that has staked a place in the adult industry in the past year. He got his start in November 2004 with VCA Pictures.

“I just really want to see the alt-thing happen, and at first I thought, ‘no way could I ever go to Vivid.’ It seemed like such a big brand and they would never be interested.’ But the more meetings I took, I saw how they were interested, and how far they would go to support [alt-porn] and give it a chance,” McKai told AVN.com. “They are going to give me the chance to take things in more of an alt-direction, and that’s what made me decide to bring it over here. The sheer amount of support and creative control I’m going to have is greater than it was before.”

McKai’s deal entails him directing four “big-budget” features this year and producing eight other features by up-and-coming alt-porn directors – all for Eon McKai Productions and Vivid-Alt.

“This guy is great and he’ll tap us directly into this exciting new trend in the adult movie industry,” said Vivid co-founder Steven Hirsch. “Eon will find the first actress to give a fresh, new face to the imprint. He’ll also be looking for all sorts of alternative and progressive talent and programming to keep us at the top of this genre. I can’t wait to see his first work.”

McKai, who has a master’s degree from the California Institute of the Arts and has taught filmmaking, said the first directors he would be tapping for Vivid-Alt productions are photographers Octavio Arizala, aka Winkytiki, and Dave Naz.

Winkytiki is a fetish photographer who has a book coming out and Naz has published three coffee table books (“Lust Circus,” “Panties” and “Legs”) and has had his work featured in art galleries worldwide.

“I really want to take what alt has started to become, and take those parentheses that are alt and push them really far to the right and really far to the left,” McKai said. “On the web, alt-porn has a much more diverse, eclectic voice. But on video, it’s just been us - Rob Rotten, Joanna Angel and me.”

He continued, “This is kind of a dream job. I was always at VCA knocking on their door to get so-and-so to make a movie. But over here, that’s my job.”

McKai revealed that his first project for Vivid-Alt would be called Girls Lie, which would be along the lines of mainstream films such as Over the Edge and River’s Edge.

“It’s a movie that’s kind of about that time,” McKai said. “You’re an adult, but you don’t really have your own place to have sex. You’re running wild in the street, finding different places. You’re a really young adult and you still have a lot of time on your hands. It seems like the kind of place that the youth that are buying my films are at.”

McKai said the terms of his Vivid contract include him being able to use his own production team.

“I’ll be slowly bringing my people over,” he said, noting that he’d be working closely with Suicide Girls photographer Lithium Picnic, among others.

The 26-year-old debuted in adult with Art School Sluts, and followed that with three volumes of Kill Girl Kill before releasing the critically acclaimed Neu Wave Hookers, which is currently No. 1 on AVN’s Top 25 Weekly Rentals and Sales Chart.

“It’s been a pretty quick ride,” McKai admitted. “When I came in there was no one really from the alt-world from the web, except for Rob. I’m really close with Rob Rotten, and he was telling me the other night, ‘Thank God you guys are here.’ It gives him context.”

McKai said response has been almost overwhelming for Neu Wave Hookers.

“It’s crazy. It’s the first movie I’ve made where I’m getting emails every day. I put so much of myself into that movie,” he continued.

McKai indicated he would continue to do mainstream work; he just finished directing a music video for Bedroom Walls, and previously shot a video for the band Louis XIV.

He said leaving VCA recently was “really heartbreaking.”

“I really loved being at VCA, I think VCA has a rich history. It took some time, but VCA really got it,” McKai said. “They took risks with me. That’s where I cut my teeth, where I found my voice. Peter Reynolds [director of sales and marketing], he was the first person who sold alt. He was the first guy who made the distributors understand what this product was because everything was happening on the Internet.

"It was really hard to go, but I feel like I have to take this chance. It’s good for alt, and by producing stuff for other people, I have the opportunity to expand what alt is. Joanna and I really wanted to stay together [at VCA], but we’re just going to work for both sides, and it’s exciting to have two big companies in the alt game. It will help alt have some staying power that maybe some other movements in porn haven’t had.”
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#147009 - 02/17/06 07:37 AM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
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I heard Smelly Monkey (allegedly ) was desperately trying to get McKai to sign for his new company, but once the news about the Vivid deal broke, he signed up Mike John instead in an effort to save face.

It's a smart move on Vivid's part in my opinion, because whilst John may have ascended to the rank of gonzo Godhood, he can't deliver the sort of poorly shot, dull, sexless man-ass-fingering action that these 'alt. kids' (who make up the vast majority of today's porn buying public) are looking for.

Vivid alt. is gonna be bigger than New Coke, just you wait and see!

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#147010 - 02/17/06 08:12 AM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
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It's a perfect match. Boring vanilla porn meets unerotic alt.porn. Whatever McKai does will never change the fact that Neu Wave Hookers is a total flop & the worst film in porn history. Congrats on that.

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#147011 - 02/18/06 09:53 PM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
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Registered: 12/11/05
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Vivid isn't even porn to me.

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#147012 - 02/28/06 08:54 AM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
Snowman Offline
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Registered: 02/28/06
Posts: 137
Loc: california
Quote:

It's a perfect match. Boring vanilla porn meets unerotic alt.porn. Whatever McKai does will never change the fact that Neu Wave Hookers is a total flop & the worst film in porn history. Congrats on that.




Total flop in what regard? It's currently #4 on the AVN rental and sales chart and was #3 last week.

I'm still trying to understand what alt.porn is. I haven't seen any yet. Why is it "unerotic" to you?
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#147013 - 02/28/06 03:30 PM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
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"It’s crazy. It’s the first movie I’ve made where I’m getting emails every day. I put so much of myself into that movie,” he continued."

Anyone wanna let this idiot know hes making porno not Shindlers List.
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#147014 - 02/28/06 04:18 PM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
frankenswine Offline
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Registered: 02/28/06
Posts: 123
hey snowman consider how much advertising Hustler/VCA does, then we can talk about what Avn ranks in their stupid fuckin manufactured sales charts. Grow Up!

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#147015 - 03/01/06 01:37 AM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
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hey snowman consider how much advertising Hustler/VCA does, then we can talk about what Avn ranks in their stupid fuckin manufactured sales charts. Grow Up!




True...AVN can provide no hard and fast figures on sales (look at how they purport to collect said data), nor any figures to back up their claim about how many billions a year the XXX industry is worth. Just ask for proof, and watch the AVN'ers scuttle off...it's quite literally a figure pulled out of Fishbein's ass, and they have done nothing to prove otherwise.

Perhaps Wetscrog Rex would care to drop some hard and fast figures and data which allows them to arrive at their estimate?

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#147016 - 03/04/06 12:23 PM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
Snowman Offline
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Registered: 02/28/06
Posts: 137
Loc: california
Sorry ... I don't buy that AVN totally fabricates the charts based on advertising revenue. Just because they haven't explained their methods does not mean they do not have one.

I'm sure a careful examination of the titles on the charts and ads places in the magazine will reveal there is no correlation, except perhaps the the obvious one - larger studios who move more product have larger advertising budgets. And of course, a large studio that releases a dozen titles each month has a better chance of producing a best seller. To some degree, it's a numbers game.

And I am grown.
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#147017 - 03/04/06 06:03 PM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
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Snowman...how do AVN purportedly collect the data used to compile the sales and rental charts? As far as I'm aware, it's largely anecdotal.

You are far better served looking at the Top Ten on a site like Adult DVD Empire...sure, it's not representative of the whole industry, but it is a fairly big site, and the placings reflect what people are actually buying.

Perhaps the best way to settle this would be for one of us to email Wetscrog Rex/Peter Warren and ask him to chip in precisely what methods AVN uses to compile it's charts, as well as the total industry worth figure as well. Gene Ross is forever kicking AVN's ass over that, just like Tod Hunter is currently tearing them a new ass because they still haven't reviewed 'Neu Wave Hookers' yet...seems to me AVN could shut both of these guys up if they wanted to by just providing the figures and the review, yet for some reason they seem rather reticent...

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#147018 - 03/04/06 09:04 PM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
JimJaded Offline
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You are far better served looking at the Top Ten on a site like Adult DVD Empire...




Nope,that ones total bullshit too..

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Perhaps the best way to settle this would be for one of us to email Wetscrog Rex/Peter Warren and ask him to chip in precisely what methods AVN uses to compile it's charts,



Its called a dartboard

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Gene Ross is forever kicking AVN's ass over that, just like Tod Hunter is currently tearing them a new ass because they still haven't reviewed 'Neu Wave Hookers' yet...seems to me AVN could shut both of these guys up if they wanted to by just providing the figures and the review, yet for some reason they seem rather reticent...




well the fact of the matter is even AVN doesnt know what the hell is going on at AVN.They probably cant find the god damned screener copy of NewWaveHookers, which is why they havent reviewed it.....Hint...its under someones coffee cup.

They cant provide the sales figures because noone knows what they are. Except the people at the producer and they arent gonna give anyone anything even close to accurate, so everyone is left to make up whatever they want, which is exactly what they do, period

now its sat night im off to drink heavily and listen to loud repetitive music..

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#147019 - 03/05/06 07:43 AM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
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Quote:

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You are far better served looking at the Top Ten on a site like Adult DVD Empire...




Nope,that ones total bullshit too..






Really...how so? I thought it was an accurate reflection of what titles were selling for Adult DVD Empire (as opposed to the entire market in general).

As for your other points, they have the ring of truth about them....

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#147020 - 03/05/06 03:14 PM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
JimJaded Offline
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negatve, all top ten lists on any site, magazine, etc etc are all influenced by 1. Overstock (if your a retailer), 2. relationships...even DVD Empire...
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#147021 - 03/06/06 08:47 AM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
Jeff Steward Offline
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Registered: 04/14/03
Posts: 7408
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negatve, all top ten lists on any site, magazine, etc etc are all influenced by 1. Overstock (if your a retailer), 2. relationships...even DVD Empire...




So true and a site like DVD Empire is a really poor place to gage sales.They dont carry most of the better selling stuff because of content.Empire only sells the vanilla stuff.
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#147022 - 03/06/06 01:40 PM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
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Quote:

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negatve, all top ten lists on any site, magazine, etc etc are all influenced by 1. Overstock (if your a retailer), 2. relationships...even DVD Empire...






So true and a site like DVD Empire is a really poor place to gage sales.They dont carry most of the better selling stuff because of content.Empire only sells the vanilla stuff.




Very true...I notice they don't carry Gag Factor, nor Throat Gaggers either. Most charts are useless anyway though, as they can never hope to take into account the various distribution and dissemination methods of the media in question such as VOD or copies sold direct from the manufacturer. Such is life, I guess...

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#147023 - 03/06/06 03:36 PM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
JimJaded Offline
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1200 titles get released every month in the porn industry. Its impossible to guage what is outselling what, allthough it IS possible to tell who was the most friends in high places...
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#147024 - 03/06/06 07:04 PM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
frankenswine Offline
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Registered: 02/28/06
Posts: 123
Here is an example of how idiotic AVN is- They reviewed the same title two months in a row and gave it different reviews then nominated it from their 2 to 3 star review. They are worthless and pointless and their time is limited while they continue to lose credibility and respect from Paul "big" joke Fishbein.. someone rob him again and get everyone's money back.

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#147025 - 03/08/06 06:59 AM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
jizzbiz69 Offline
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Registered: 12/27/05
Posts: 34
hey lets start a chain letter and everyone email this to that fucking jew stealing cocksucker fishbein at avn. I called over there an his email is paul@avn.com. Ok 123 I'll start...oh yeah and um.. (thinking) ok if for someone reason you don't then your family will all die in an al queda hijacked Defiance title that will blow up in your hands signifying the ultimate hand jihad movie.

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#147026 - 03/08/06 08:19 AM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
JimJaded Offline
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your family will all die in an al queda hijacked Defiance title that will blow up in your hands signifying the ultimate hand jihad movie.




hmmm....dont you think al queda would pick a company that sells more than 6 dvds of a title?
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#147027 - 03/08/06 05:27 PM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
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Registered: 03/08/05
Posts: 565
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Quote:

Vivid isn't even porn to me.



Agreed!!!
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#147028 - 03/10/06 04:07 AM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
Snowman Offline
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Registered: 02/28/06
Posts: 137
Loc: california
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You are far better served looking at the Top Ten on a site like Adult DVD Empire...sure, it's not representative of the whole industry, but it is a fairly big site, and the placings reflect what people are actually buying.




Let's take a look at two of the retailers I partner with on my site:

Adult Video Universe

1. Don't Tell Daddy 10 Pack, Acid Rain ($16.59 - quite a deal)
2. Award Winning Sex Scenes Part II, Vivid
3. Jenna in the Middle, Vivid
4. Pirates, DP
5. Strokin' to the Oldies - Vanessa Del Rio, VCA
6. Big Ass Part 2, West Coast
7. Taboo #01, Addictive
8. My Friend's Hot Mom #03, Naughty America
9. Taboo #02, Addictive
10. Super Sized Meat, Wicked
11. Swallow My Squirt #02, Elegant
12. New Devil in Miss Jones, Vivid
13. Super Blonds of Vivid, Vivid
14. Debbie Does Dallas, VCX
15. Princess Has Come of Age, GGG

Action-DVD

1. Pirates, DP
2. Sex Island, Adam & Eve
3. Fashiontistas, Evil Angel
4. Caribbean Undercover, Adam & Eve
5. Brats, Inc. #01, Dane
6. Academy, Private
7. John Holmes & Company, CCC
8. Jenna in the Middle, Wicked
9. Island Fever #03, DP
10. Dinner Party 1, Adam & Eve
11. Sorority Sex Kittens #04, VCA
12. Behind the Green Door, VCX
13. Daughter's Fucking Blackzilla 3, NS
14. Belladonna: Fetish Fanatic, Evil Angel
15. Swallow My Squirt 2, EA

I would include Gamelink too, but they have top sellers split up by category - and I don't see an overall list.

I do see some overlap in these two stores -- Pirates, Jenna in the Middle and Eat My Squirt appear on both charts. Also comps and oldies seem to dominate the chart.
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#147029 - 03/10/06 06:30 AM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
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It's very interesting that they can only 'agree' on 3 out of fifteen.

Here are some others:

Adult DVD Empire:

1) All-Time Best Teen 2 (Devil's Film) (comp)
2) Pirates (Digital Playground)
3) All-Time Best Cream Pie (Devil's Film)(comp)
4) All-Time Best MILF (Devil's Film) (comp)
5) Jesse Jane: All-American Girl (Digital Playground)
6) The New Devil In Miss Jones (Vivid)
7) All-Time Best P.O.V. (Devil's Film) (comp)
8) Award Winning Sex Scenes 2 (Vivid) (comp)
9) Busty Stars (Elegant Angel) (comp)
10) Fuck Dolls 6 (Red Light District)
11) Swallow My Squirt 2 (Elegant Angel)
12) Flower's Squirt Shower (Elegant Angel)
13) Cum Fart Cocktails 3 (Red Light District)
14) All-Time Best Teen (Devil's Film) (comp)
15) Big Wet Asses 7 (Elegant Angel)

Interesting to note that just under half of it is made up of cheap comps (and unless I'm mistaken, the Devil's Film comps are exclusive to ADE, which would tend to play into Frankenswine's theory about overstock and relationships). If I had extended it to take in the top 20 titles, it would have been exactly 50% comps...of course, all this goes to show is that cheap bastards shop at Adult DVD Empire...

There are of course other areas of convergence (Pirates, Swallow My Squirt 2, The New Devil In Miss Jones), but no 'Jenna In The Middle' for ADE as yet. Wicked's new biggie 'Curse Eternal' doesn't even make the top 20 as of yet, despite the fact that it's got Kaylani Lei in it !

Jake Malone's RLD stuff seems pretty popular too...one could only begin to guess where 'Throat Gaggers' might be, if only they weren't so prissy about carrying it (or 'Gag Factor' for that matter).

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#147030 - 03/10/06 10:47 PM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
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I think this would probably be the best way to construct a Top 10 (or 20 or whatever) list -- aggregate the top seller lists from as many web retailers as possible.

From these three charts, it appears that "Pirates" and "Swallow My Squirt" should be at the top of the chart. They are the only titles to appear on all three. It is interesting that "Neu Wave Hookers" is not on any of the charts.
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#147031 - 03/11/06 03:58 AM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
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I think this would probably be the best way to construct a Top 10 (or 20 or whatever) list -- aggregate the top seller lists from as many web retailers as possible.

From these three charts, it appears that "Pirates" and "Swallow My Squirt" should be at the top of the chart. They are the only titles to appear on all three. It is interesting that "Neu Wave Hookers" is not on any of the charts.





Agreed re: aggregate chart...obviously, there are certain things which will skew it (like retailer exclusive titles), but it should give a fairly clear (or at least clearer) picture.

The lack of Neu Wave Hookers is down to one of two things 1) It came and went like the flash in the pan it was (and McKai is) or 2) AVN's charts are total bullshit. Hell, it may be down to both of those things.

I don't yet have the technological know how of how to do it, and I don't know if you do either Snowman, but I figure there must be some way of perhaps setting up some sort of RSS Feed from the retailers for the charts, then having the results aggregated on a points-for-position rating scale.

It should also be pointed out, before we both read too much into these things, that these are merely sales positions (and thus do no correlate with each other from site to site). As such, what's number 1 on Jaded Video might have only sold enough copies to make it number 32 on Gamelink or ADE. Even so, I think this is a far more reliable guide than the AVN charts...

If anyone out there knows a way of setting this idea up, I'd definitely be interested in hearing more and participating with it.

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#147032 - 03/15/06 10:40 AM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
Snowman Offline
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Agreed re: aggregate chart...obviously, there are certain things which will skew it (like retailer exclusive titles), but it should give a fairly clear (or at least clearer) picture.

I don't yet have the technological know how of how to do it, and I don't know if you do either Snowman, but I figure there must be some way of perhaps setting up some sort of RSS Feed from the retailers for the charts, then having the results aggregated on a points-for-position rating scale.

It should also be pointed out, before we both read too much into these things, that these are merely sales positions (and thus do no correlate with each other from site to site). As such, what's number 1 on Jaded Video might have only sold enough copies to make it number 32 on Gamelink or ADE. Even so, I think this is a far more reliable guide than the AVN charts...




I agree Dan. It would be very useful for producers in the industry to spot trends and be perceived as less bias than the current AVN charts.

I think your last point is interesting. It says something about popularity if you are the #1 best-seller even at a smaller store. But it also says something about popularity if you sell 100 copies that month at Adult Video Universe and 10 copies at Store X even if that was sufficient to make the disc the top seller at Store X.

Unless the stores reported the number of copies sold, we wouldn't have a way to tell what the volume is. We could approximate this by weighing some stores more than others based on our estimates of volume, but we could be way off, i.e. assume a store is moving much more product than they really do or vice versa.

Perhaps the list could contain tier one, tier two and tier three stores. If a title was #1 at a tier one (bigger) store, it would get 3x the points in the composite rank system. If a title was #1 at a tier three store, it would get 1x the points. The points could be based on an inverted rank system -- for example, in a top 25 composite list - a #1 rank title would receieve 20 points and a #25 ranked title would be awarded just 1 point before the tier 1-2-3 multiplier.

I don't have the programming skills to automate the process and I think the stores would have to participate in order to do this -- by providing the data in a uniform format. This is something that might have to be done manually.
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#147033 - 04/27/06 03:01 AM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
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hey snowman consider how much advertising Hustler/VCA does, then we can talk about what Avn ranks in their stupid fuckin manufactured sales charts. Grow Up!




True...AVN can provide no hard and fast figures on sales (look at how they purport to collect said data), nor any figures to back up their claim about how many billions a year the XXX industry is worth. Just ask for proof, and watch the AVN'ers scuttle off...it's quite literally a figure pulled out of Fishbein's ass, and they have done nothing to prove otherwise.




I was talking with Mark Kernes at AVN earlier this week at the "Celebrate Free Speech Lobbying Days" event in Sacramento. I remembered this thread, and raised the issue of the sales charts with him. Mark found it rather humorous and represented to me that AVN does indeed have a system in place, unrelated to advertising revenue.

According to Mark, there are about 35-50 retailers that report to them the top sellers each month and they compile the top sellers charts from this data. He said the process is not a secret and as far as he knows, no one has ever really asked about the methodology of the charts before.


Edited by Snowman (04/27/06 03:02 AM)
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#147034 - 04/27/06 09:01 AM Re: Eon McKai to Vivid
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Snowman...how do AVN purportedly collect the data used to compile the sales and rental charts? As far as I'm aware, it's largely anecdotal.





Snowman, Kernes just proved what I thought...it's anecdotal. There's no guarantee that what the retailer says is true and/or correct, and if you gave 20 of the 35-50 retailers $1,000 each to say 'Title X' is pissing all over Jules Jordan's latest movie in sales terms, then you could probably get said imaginary title in the AVN Top Ten.

If a distributor was handling and compiling the Top Ten, I'd give it a lot more credence...but that still wouldn't be much credence.

Also, on a purely statistical basis, are 35-50 retailers (out of how many stores nationwide?) really going to give an accurate reflection on the buying trends for the whole of America? At the most, it equates to one per state (if you forget about the Bible Belt ones), but even then it's hardly enough. The only way to be sure is to see some hard and fast figures, which we all know won't be forthcoming.

Having said that, I'm really glad you picked his brain on this issue Snowman, because I think a unified and accurate chart would be a damn good thing.


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