I tried to read the first few posts of that Tierny and Cassandra thread but it bored the living hell out of me. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZzzzzzzzz... I'm much more into this Sammura thread even though there isn't any craziness going on here like most of you expected.