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#135891 - 12/26/05 07:26 PM Racial Discrimination In Porn
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Arena magazine has a feature on racism in porn. Clip clip clip.

Arena journalist Justin Quirk writes: "But incredibly, in the US, none of the biggest studio-contracted-stars, Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, Devon, Jesse Jane, etc -- do interracial. This anachronistic trend is inextricably linked with the rise of authoritarian Christian republicanism in America."

This is bollocks. The biggest porn stars have rarely done interracial (for the past 35 years, as long as there have been porn stars). This is not a trend. And it has nothing to do with "authoritarian Christian republicanism," whatever that is. What precisely is authoritarian about the Christian Right? They want to diminish your freedom to have an abortion and to consume porn. Aside from that, what established freedoms are they threatening?

The freedom-loving Justin Quirk writes:

Overt racism in US porn is nothing new. Black/white bigotry was evident in a much more base aspect into the early 1990s, with even [Lexington] Steele having his head superimposed on a monkey's body on the covers of some of his earliest films. Thankfully, this kind of rubbish is largely a thing of the past: it's difficult to imagine anyone today getting away with a production like Gregory Dark's Let Me Tell Ya About Black Chicks (1985) which culminated in a black woman getting double-penetrated by two white men in KKK robes.

So Quirk, who earlier argued against Christian authoritarianism, is now rejoicing that filmmakers have less freedom to create today than 20-years ago. Quirk and his leftist ilk do not care about freedom. They care about legislating their morality. That's fine. I and those on the Right want to legislate our morality as well. What matters is the specifics of what we want to legislate. Freedom is a great value. It is not the ultimate one (unless you are a libertarian).

In my 2004 book The Producers: Profiles in Frustration, I learned that filmmakers have far less freedom to create today than in the 1950s. Is the Right behind Political Correctness? Is it the Right that pushes Hollywood to only put cigarettes in the hands of bad guys?

Quirk writes:

Sadly, echoes of this racial stereotyping still exist today, albeit in a more insidious form -- even among the directors who do shoot interracial. Films like Gangland play on the staple right-wing stereotype of white women straying into bad neighborhoods and falling foul of marauding packs of African-Americans...

What if the stereotype is factually correct? Do you hear about gangs of white men raping black women? The instances of black men raping white women are far higher in the United States than white men raping black women.

Even Jesse Jackson said that if he was walking in a bad part of town and he saw a gang of youths following him, he'd worry if they were black.

Is it the fault of whites that blacks in the US commit a disproportionate rate of violent crime?

What do you think would happen if a young attractive women walked alone through a bad black neighborhood? The brothers would want to discuss poetry with her?

I'd love to see Justin Quirk (and those who think like him) send their young white attractive female loved-ones alone into tough black neighborhoods and let these girls walk around for a few hours and see what happens to them.

The biggest problem with that scenario is that the innocent women would pay the price for Quirk's willful stupidity.

Remember the Chris Rock joke -- what do you say to someone who calls you and says, "I'm on Martin Luther King Blvd. I'm lost. What should I do?" Run!

Is it the fault of whites or Christians that most Martin Luther King Blvds (wherever they are in the United States) are not somewhere most people would like to live? The real estate is cheap. I wonder why?

There are many interesting related issues here. Would you like to live on Hooker Alley? Would you like to live on a street where there are lots of sex shops? Would you like to live in a community where the average person spends two hours a day masturbating to pornography? If you are a pornographer, would you like to live among your most ardent fans?

Note how in the Arena article Lexington Steele is portrayed in only the glowing terms. This is typical white leftist patronizing of blacks.

Lex is not a saint.

I've only had positive interactions with the guy. I like him. He's number one at what he does, but he's a complete human being. How many porn girls have started bleeding from having sex with Lex (because he's so big)? A lot. I've seen it a couple of times on set. They bleed, not because Lex is vicious, but because he's abnormally big and many women can't comfortably accommodate his penis.

Why is busting open chicks (white or black) till they bleed a good thing?

Quirk writes: "Meanwhile, in an equally blatant act of discrimination, black female performers are routinely paid 25 per cent less than their white counterparts."

That's because consumers prefer to buy porn starring non-black women. Performers are free to sell their services on the open market. If there's an extraordinary profit to be made from shooting black chicks, plenty of pornographers will shoot them.

Life discriminates. For instance, white women are far more likely to date black men than white men are to date black women. White men are more interested in dating Asian women than black women.

The biggest porn stars have always been white. The most popular beauties and movie stars in the world have always been white. This is not an American phenomenon. Aside from a handful of exceptions, black leads don't create box office either in the US or overseas. Few non-blacks watch TV starring blacks (the Cosby Show as an exception).


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#135892 - 12/26/05 08:18 PM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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That's because consumers prefer to buy porn starring non-black women. Performers are free to sell their services on the open market. If there's an extraordinary profit to be made from shooting black chicks, plenty of pornographers will shoot them.





I believe that's partially true, also black women don't seem to want to do the more degrading videos that white women do. The less degrading stuff just happens to pay less.

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#135893 - 12/26/05 08:23 PM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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"The biggest porn stars have always been white. The most popular beauties and movie stars in the world have always been white. This is not an American phenomenon. Aside from a handful of exceptions, black leads don't create box office either in the US or overseas. Few non-blacks watch TV starring blacks (the Cosby Show as an exception)."





This is bull- I love "black tv". Amos and Andy was the best show ever

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#135894 - 12/26/05 10:35 PM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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Arena journalist Justin Quirk writes: "But incredibly, in the US, none of the biggest studio-contracted-stars, Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, Devon, Jesse Jane, etc -- do interracial.





Uh-oh! People are actually choosing the people that they have sex with! Oh, the humanity! I keep forgetting about the "civil right" to make others have sex against their will for your personal amusement. This sounds like a job for Jesse Jackson:

(In Southern Reverend baritone)

"I be hating
the discriminating
the White women be making
While I'm masturbating"

/flamebait!

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#135895 - 12/27/05 04:44 AM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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The freedom-loving Justin Quirk writes:

Overt racism in US porn is nothing new. Black/white bigotry was evident in a much more base aspect into the early 1990s, with even [Lexington] Steele having his head superimposed on a monkey's body on the covers of some of his earliest films. Thankfully, this kind of rubbish is largely a thing of the past: it's difficult to imagine anyone today getting away with a production like Gregory Dark's Let Me Tell Ya About Black Chicks (1985) which culminated in a black woman getting double-penetrated by two white men in KKK robes.





The superimposition of Lex's head onto a monkey's body...wouldn't that be off of the cover of one of the volumes of 'Little White Chicks, Big Black Monster Dicks' put out by noted white supremacist Jake Steed? That series also had a KKK themed cover as well, if I remember correctly...

Oh, and there's an absolute humdinger of an anecdote about buying drugs on MLK in one of pro wrestler Mick Foley's books (not him doing the buying, I should add...)

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#135896 - 12/27/05 05:14 AM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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Arena journalist Justin Quirk writes: "But incredibly, in the US, none of the biggest studio-contracted-stars, Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, Devon, Jesse Jane, etc -- do interracial.





Uh-oh! People are actually choosing the people that they have sex with! Oh, the humanity! I keep forgetting about the "civil right" to make others have sex against their will for your personal amusement. This sounds like a job for Jesse Jackson:

(In Southern Reverend baritone)

"I be hating
the discriminating
the White women be making
While I'm masturbating"

/flamebait!





"Indubitably...."

Da Burglar says: Denzel Washington is the best American Actor today...along with Russel Crowe, he commands the screen like no other...every white woman I know that's not related to me by blood would abandon hearth, home and offspring to fuck him...

Da Burglar also says: If I had 24 hours to live and could spend it banging senselessly one woman in all the world, I would pick Halle Berry. I shit you not...
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#135897 - 12/27/05 04:52 PM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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Registered: 12/09/05
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Halle Berry has six toes. That's just gross...


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#135898 - 12/28/05 08:59 AM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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In porn like the real world, blacks are always crying discrimination. They are discriminated because they keep on crying. "We are owed this mentality" is the reason why the majority of them do not succeed. You don't see Hispanics or Asians crying discrimination in porn or the real world. I'm tired of hearing blacks bitch that we owe them. They want reparation for being enslaved. Well wake up!! Many races in history have been enslaved. The only repayment I'd give them is a one way ticket on Air Amistad back to Africa where their own kind will kill them.
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#135899 - 12/28/05 09:34 AM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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Da Burglar also says: If I had 24 hours to live and could spend it banging senselessly one woman in all the world, I would pick Halle Berry. I shit you not...




David justice banged halle sensless for the last 6 months of their marrage. I saw the photos myself in star magazine. Nigga has lost his mind beating on that woman.

Niggas is wylin!

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#135900 - 03/03/06 02:07 PM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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How many porn girls have started bleeding from having sex with Lex (because he's so big)? A lot. I've seen it a couple of times on set. They bleed, not because Lex is vicious, but because he's abnormally big and many women can't comfortably accommodate his penis.

Why is busting open chicks (white or black) till they bleed a good thing?




Sounds pretty good to me. Where can I find a video of Lexington Steele busting open a white bitch till she bleeds.


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#135901 - 03/03/06 07:29 PM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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First off, the very idea of criticising porn for being racist is absurd. Pornography routinely features women (and men) in situations which are degrading and dehumanizing. All in the interest of portraying taboos that will, presumably, arouse the viewer. Why would the taboo of racism be exempt? If pornography can exploit our fantasies about rape, incest, and pedophilia... why shouldn't it also exploit our racist fantasies?
I don't have a problem with porn's obvious racism. It's just a fact of life, and really just reflects the racism in society. If a performer thinks doing an interracial scene will hurt her marketability, or has personal reasons for not doing it... that's her business, end of story. And to that extent alone, I agree with you.
However...

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What if the stereotype is factually correct? Do you hear about gangs of white men raping black women?





Yes, in fact I have. And stereotypes are almost never factually correct. They're simply a convenient aggregation of cultural cliches which few, if any, individuals conform to completely. Of course there's an element of truth behind all stereotypes, but assuming every person you meet is going to conform to whatever stereotype applies to them respectively, would be ridiculous. So I fail to see the benefit of stereotypes as any kind of useful reference.

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Is it the fault of whites that blacks in the US commit a disproportionate rate of violent crime?





No, it's the fault of white's that blacks are poor. Historically whites have always discriminated against blacks (when they didn't own them outright), which led to fewer opportunities for blacks, poverty, and the consequent higher crime rate that you see in economically depressed neighborhoods (ie. ghettos). Unless of course you think economics has nothing to do with it, and blacks are simply more prone to commit crime because they happen to be black?

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The biggest porn stars have always been white. The most popular beauties and movie stars in the world have always been white.





This is absolutely true. Until very recently, whites not only had exclusive control of mass media production, they also constituted the majority of consumers. So is it any surprise that our collective ideal of physical beauty is white?
As for the idea that the left is a bigger enemy of the porn industry than the right...

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Quirk and his leftist ilk do not care about freedom. They care about legislating their morality.
In my 2004 book The Producers: Profiles in Frustration, I learned that filmmakers have far less freedom to create today than in the 1950s. Is the Right behind Political Correctness?





No, the Right wasn't behind political correctness. But, apart from a few radical feminists like Catherine McKinnon and Diana Russell, the Left is far less concerned with the supposed socially deleterious effects of pornography, and far more concerned with protecting 1st amendment rights than the Right. Were pc Liberals behind the Meese Commission in the 80's? Has the porn industry enjoyed more creative freedom during the Ashcroft/Alvarez years than it did during Janet Reno's term?
Ask Rob Zicari, Janet Romano, and Paul Little how concerned the current administration is with their 1st amendment rights.




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#135902 - 03/03/06 10:07 PM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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Very good critique Mr. Hyde...very good. I'm sure the porn scene will change over time.

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#135903 - 03/03/06 10:30 PM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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Brilliant William, just brilliant.
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#135904 - 03/03/06 10:44 PM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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Is it rascist to think that Sean Michaels looks, in person, like Dave Chapelle? Seriously, I talked to him briefly at AEE, I thought he might he might break into a skit of "Ribs." Rock on, brah.

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#135905 - 03/04/06 02:47 AM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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Why is it that some of the contract girls fuck NBA players and rap stars in real life but refuse to fuck blacks on-screen?

Is there any evidence (sales-wise) that doing interracial scenes has ever been detrimental to anyone's career?

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#135906 - 03/04/06 06:03 AM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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Halle Berry has six toes. That's just gross...






and she got $500,000.00 just to show her TITS in Swordfish. I have heard of girls who made the porn verision of the film and had to fuck 5 guys and barley made $500 bucks!!! and thats why Da Burglar is right....I would bang her hotter and harder then the scene she was in with billy bob thornton in Monsters Ball. She is simply delicious.

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#135907 - 03/04/06 09:17 AM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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Most contract girls don't do interracial scenes. I think Brianna Banks (Mirage) did a Gangbang Auditions with Diabolic and I think Mr Marcus was in the scene. Savanna Samson fucks brothers off camera (Cali 33) thanks

As far as Gonzo girls. A lot of the top female talent has done interracial scenes and imo it hasn't hurt them one bit.

Ashley Blue
Flower Tucci
Lauren Phoenix
Tiffany Mynx
Nikki Hunter
Kami Andrews
Cytheria
Belladonna ....there are plenty more.

Even old school talent

Jewel De'Nyle
Kylie Ireland
Nina Hartley
Shanna McCullough
Nikita Denise
Juli Ashton
Ginger Lynn
Marilyn Chambers

I'm not saying they're the biggest stars in the industry. I do think that more fans have heard of Lauren Phoenix then Tawny Roberts or some other contract girls. A girls carrer in Porn is what she makes of it.

That is all....


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#135908 - 03/04/06 10:09 AM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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Halle Berry has six toes. That's just gross...






and she got $500,000.00 just to show her TITS in Swordfish. I have heard of girls who made the porn verision of the film and had to fuck 5 guys and barley made $500 bucks!!! and thats why Da Burglar is right....I would bang her hotter and harder then the scene she was in with billy bob thornton in Monsters Ball. She is simply delicious.






Goddamn right...I forgot about this thread....

With 2 or 3 exceptions amongst actual porn chicks today, I would say Halle Berry, and in particular her scorching sex scene in Moster's Ball, is theeee most erotic, arousing film scene I have ever witnessed and HAlle is the most dick hardening actress (primarily because of that scene.) I am totally serious...if you watch her and LISTEN (most of all) to her dialogue in that scene it is mind blowing....her frenetic, earnest-sounding begging to Billy Bob to "Make me Feel good" is the kind of dialogue that sends you over the edge, both when whacking off to shit like that or especially in real life if your chick is talking/acting like that.

VERY few porn chicks, in my opinion and experience, can CONVEY that type of sincere, sure-fire animalisitic passion/lust/craziness....the actual imagery in a porn scene (dicks penetrating/cum flying-oozing) is standard, consistently graphic, and is quite hackneyed....it is when a porn chick can TALK/Act/convey these super hott emotions and feelings AND WORDS, married with the imagery in your typical porn scene, that porn approaches truly erotic, insanely sexy levels. And like I said, MAYBE 2 or 3 chicks I know of have/can do it like Halle does ....


Racism in porn is kinda pointless to rant against....not to be disingenuos or insensitive (cuz I abhor racism in real life), but complaining about Racism in Porn is like me complaining there isnt any opportunity for paraplegics To PLAY in the NFL, and therefore the NFL is ANTI-Disability rights/equality, etc. Its a pointless, pseudo non-issue tangent of a otherwise REAL issue.
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#135909 - 03/04/06 12:49 PM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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this article was incomplete

the puertoricans like ttboy suffers discrimination some girls dont want work with him

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#135910 - 03/04/06 12:55 PM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
freedomfighter Offline
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If you want to talk about racial discrimination...point out where are all the Asian men at? Asian men love pussy too.

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#135911 - 03/04/06 09:05 PM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
Jack Randall Offline
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If you want to talk about racial discrimination...point out where are all the Asian men at? Asian men love pussy too.




The stereotype that all Asian guys have small dicks might be the reason for this.

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#135912 - 03/04/06 11:30 PM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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If you want to talk about racial discrimination...point out where are all the Asian men at? Asian men love pussy too.




The stereotype that all Asian guys have small dicks might be the reason for this.




That could be a theory, but just for argument sake I will disagree. I have watched porn where the guy(s) was not hung at all and yet, was doing porn. But, realistically, lets use our brain, lets use some common sense. NOT all Asian men have small penis just like NOT all black men have 11 inch cocks.

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#135913 - 03/05/06 10:28 AM Re: Racial Discrimination In Porn
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Quote:

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If you want to talk about racial discrimination...point out where are all the Asian men at? Asian men love pussy too.




The stereotype that all Asian guys have small dicks might be the reason for this.





small cock guys need to get laid too.....lol

It would just be a little harder (no pun intended) and would allow the director to get more creative then usual since we actually do want to see the penetration shots.

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