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Chasey Lain Overdosed In Venetian Hotel At AVN Expo
by Duke Floored (send email to Duke Floored)

Chasey Lain's real name is Tiffany Jones or Tiffany Case (after she got married).


Chasey Lain was found near death in the Venetian. Adult Video News doesn't want that detail revealed in case the Venetian does not want AVN and its porn shows back next year.

Chasey Lain was discharged from the hospital at 4PM Sunday. She was not held on a suicide watch nor does it appear that there are any charges pending or even an intent to indict.

I wonder how many porn stars like Chasey would have to die before video companies like Vivid Video and the industry's dominant trade publication and convention host, start telling the truth about drugs in porn.

I believe AVN publisher and editor Tim Connelly would call me irresponsible for reporting this drug overdose in the Venetian. "Responsibility" in the AVN mindset would be saying how wonderful the AVN Awards were while a porn superstar lies at death's door.

So what have been Tim Connelly's chief accomplishments?

* Brought Rob Black and Extreme Associates back in the fold.

* Got rid of Bill Lyon from Free Speech Coalition and replaced him with Kat Sunlove. Scott Tucker has resigned. Bill Margold has been tossed the FSC board.

* Tried to cover-up Chasey Lain story.

* Forced all porn stars to test for STDs at only one place -- the clinic of his former lover Sharon Mitchell.

AVN has known about Chasey's overdose for almost two days. So what do they use to headline their site for the past day? This report: "The 21st Annual AVN Awards: Glamour, Prestige, Fun. It was a night of fun, laughs, and lots of sexy women, as well as a night when the adult entertainment industry celebrated its finest achievements of the previous... Day 3 at AEE the Wildest So Far"

Yes, AVN, day three was every bit as wild as you intimate -- Chasey Lain almost died of a mixture of cocaine, heroin and alcohol. I know how much AVN loves to promote that "wild" image of porn. Well, there it is. Almost death. Very wild. Put in the headline.

One of porn's best known stars almost dies of a drug overdose, after years of drug problems, and AVN is still scratching itself on the back about how fun the AVN Awards were.

This isn't just a weird exception in AVN's approach to journalistic coverage of porn. Back-scratching always takes precedence at the industry trade over reporting.

If it had its way, AVN would never report on this overdose and many other painful topics, but now it will be forced to do so by this site. I wonder how long until AVNGossip.com goes online to deal with some of these matters?

I wonder why a classy joint like the Venetian would want porn conventions if porners are going to do a bunch of drugs, damage their suites, spread diseases, wear obscene t-shirts and jackets, and otherwise frighten the polite citizens of the otherwise wholesome casino?

Lukeford.com was covering Chasey Lain in tragic detail in 2001. AVN published denials from her in the summer of 2001 that she was just fine and had no drug problem. AVN acted as an enabler for Chasey, as it has done for years for drugged-out disease-spreading porners, many of them with active ties to organized crime. This girl has verged on the dead for three years now because of her drug abuse. And how did her company in 2001, when she killing herself from drugs, handle it? Vivid Video denied she had a problem. They said I was lying. AVN in the summer of 2001 did the same thing.

This is typical how our industry leaders deal with life-threatening problems like AIDS and drugs and the like. They deny them. They cover them up. They lie about them. They pour hatred and threats upon the messenger of bad news.

It is not AVN and Vivid's responsibility to keep Chasey Lain alive or drug-free. They do have a responsibility not to lie about one of their girls having a life-threatening drug addiction that threatens not only her life, but those of all those around her, including her child.

MikeSouth.com broke this story on Sunday with this report: "This one is confirmed but nobody knows who it is. A Chick wearing a badge that said Tiffany Case was taken to the hospital this morning, she was found in a coma with a blood alchohol level of 3.4, she had Heroin and Cocaine in her system and on her person. She is not expected to live. If you know who this person is or might be PLEASE contact me at 678-245-xxxx. The badge had not been activated by having a photo taken so it could have been given to anyone."

MikeSouth told Adultbeat.com Monday afternoon: "Our readers are decent honest people. Not once was my number abused, the only people who called it had something meaningful to offer. That speaks volumes. At first I was hesitant to put my phone number out there but I got faith and I knew that would be the fastest route to Tiffany Case's identity. I want to thank everyone for being sdo cool about it. The rest of these people freak when you put a real name up. Hell, I gave em my phone number."

He subsequently pulled the report. You can read his site to find out why. He got a lot of pressure to do so from the industry establishment which is in the business of covering up for drug addicts.

Chasey Lain is a Pleasure contract girl.

AVN ranked her as the 49th biggest porn star of all time in a recent issue. If you believed her reporting, Chasey had no drug problem.

Chasey Lain showed up on Thursday, January 8, to sign for Pleasure, but was so screwed up on drugs that she was sent back to her hotel room. From the archived profile of Chasey Lain on lukeford.com (notice the way AVN, at the bottom, says Chasey doesn't have a drug problem):

Chasey Lain Flakes

Brooks writes 3/26/00:

VAN NUYS, CA (March 25) -- Chasey Lain, the beautiful but boring porn star, cancelled her three-day show at the Spearmint Rhino Club in the Valley.

The cancellation was made at the last minute. Still, Chasey was supposed to have started dancing yesterday (Friday) at a 2PM matinee. If she did not show up, then the Spearmint Rhino Club should had said so on its web site, which currently at 11:15 PST is still touting Chasey's appearances.

This action on the part of the Club is morally dubious at best. The inimitable (but old and flabby) Teri Weigel filled in for Chasey. The show was quite forgettable, and blonde Teri was obviously out of breath after only ten minutes. I did see the blonde chick Cricket(from Gangbang Audition #3) there, trying to snag lap dances.

"Stars" such as Chasey Lain and Jenna Jameson (who flaked on Spearmint Rhino a few months ago) may get a slight rush or tingle out of breaking contracts. For us fans, it's just another reason why these chicks, whose on-screen performances were lackluster, should just go away. There are other nicer, more punctual porn stars who put these washed-ups to shame.

5/31/01

Chasey Lain took a year off to raise her newborn son Thomas. She is now under contract with Vivid. Chasey's working out now to tone up her body. She will soon come out with her own line of videos marketed through Vivid.

6/7/01

A few days ago I reported that Vivid Video wanted to bring Chasey Lain out of retirement and give her her own series.

Vivid shot Chasey in a movie a month ago.

I hear that Chasey Lain is addicted to crystal methamphetamine. She weighs about 70 pounds, her bones are poking out through her skin, her eyes are bugging out of her head, her face is sunken in and her skin is hanging off of her. She looks like she has been in a concentration camp. Her boyfriend husband Anthony makes crystal and sells it. They have a toddler at home. Chasey burned down her bedroom a few weeks ago, probably when her crack pipe caught fire.

I hear Chasey is turning tricks. A friend met her and said it is like looking at a dying person. Two industry friends saw her recently and said she will be dead within the month. She is cracked out of her mind. She was offered help but she is beyond that, she claims that she does not have a problem.

Chasey has begged certain video company owners to help her out financially. She has lost everything, her cars were even impounded. An acquaintance offered to put her into rehab and that is the last he heard from her.

Vivid is using Chasey in a new series, they filmed her about four weeks ago so they are completely aware of her problem. They need to spend the money getting her into rehab rather than giving it to her to buy more drugs. Members of the crew on her set said it was so sad watching her, that is was like fucking a dying person.

6/22/01

Vivid Girls Intervene With Chasey Lain

XXX says: Vivid girls Raylene and Taylor Hayes went to Chasey Lain's house about a week ago to stage an intervention. Lain's been smoking speed than snorting heroin to come down from the speed. She has a three year old son with this guy Anthony, her boyfriend. Raylene and Taylor asked Anthony, a drug dealer, what he wanted to do about the situation. He was nonchalant. He said she was beyond help. The kid wasn't there.

Apparently, a week ago, Chasey took her kid out on the street and told him that he was worthless, that she hated him and that he was the Devil's child. And left him on the street.

And in his daycare, he was so high from the fumes of her smoking the speed that they called Child Protective Services when he started coming down from his high. A director in the adult business now looks after the boy.

The police came and arrested Chasey. She's in jail and they're trying to get her into a rehab clinic.

Chasey was so high that she was telling Taylor that she would kill her. Lain took a hammer and started beating herself with the hammer.

Chasey's been turning tricks for $100 a pop or in exchange for drugs.

Jeff writes Luke: What a tragedy!! Where does she turn the tricks? Does she do it for an escort agency? Just asking.

6/28/01

I've heard a report from Las Vegas from a man who partied with a strung out Chasey Lain. She's evidently out of jail and is still avoiding treatment for her drug addiction.

Amber@EroticVideos.com writes: I stand SHOCKED after reading all I did about Chasey Lain today. First of all Chasey Lain has always been one of my favorite porn stars. She is both beautiful and classy. I find it highly amusing how so many people have went out of their way to say she is a cracking smoking whore without so much as one piece of evidence. Did it ever phase you guys that someone probably started this rumor who didn't like her or perhaps Vivid?

Think about it ... if someone so famous was out there whoring her body for $100, wouldn't so much as 1 person have come up with some proof by now? DUH PEOPLE -- think about it. This is just a rumor - started by a bunch of losers that only get off on trying to hurt other people. I for one am going to stand up and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I don't believe any of it. I personally will look forward to Chasey's return to videos.

And Heather Barron, shame on you for jumping on this trash Chasey bandwagon. You say you want to be one of the industry insiders, well let me be the first to tell you that you just made a MAJOR mistake. People who really cared about Chasey Lain would have jumped to defend the vicious lies being spread about her - not spend an hour writing a long letter, adding even more fuel to the fire.

So although I can say I've never met or heard of a guy named Louis that works for Vivid - you can rest assured Vivid hires "team players" not girls who look for any chance they get to attack another Vivid girl - especially one as wonderful as Chasey Lain. So in other words, don't look for big companies like Vivid or Wicked to come knocking on your door any time soon. SHAME SHAME SHAME on you!!

And as for the rest of you - start using common sense. Until so much as one person can cough up some hard evidence to prove these allegations of drugs and prostitution, it's all just a bunch of stupid rumors.

Luke says: I'm afraid the stories about Chasey Lain and her drug problems are true. Cops were called on her, she was arrested, her kid was taken away. She's been strung out on drugs. Ask the people at Vivid.

Amber@EroticVideos.com replies: True as in because you have 100% cold hard proof? No. I know that you don't. Why? Because this I actually do KNOW.

I am not going to pretend Chasey is perfect, heck - who of us is? BUT at the same time I know Chasey is not out there giving blow jobs for $100 bucks so she can buy more smack and abuse her child, blah blah blah

... Think about it - she is Chasey Lain - the one, the only - she is PerfectChasey.com ... Oops, did I just say that. ;-) But seriously - think about this entire story, step outside of it for just a second. Then start putting the peices together. Oh and then have a few conversations with Chasey like Kelli [owner of EroticVideos.com] has ... then and ONLY then will you know that Chasey is not a $100 whore.

A Dark Day For The Industry

Theorist writes: It's a dark day for the industry when one of it's sweetest, most accessible stars finds herself in dire straits and rather than being able to rely on the compassion and assistance of her peers, is subjected to name-calling, stereotyping and slanderous gossip. Only on the periphery of the industry, I was once fortunate enough to sit in a Crab Pot restaurant, eating crab and drinking some beers with the owner of Wicked, Lana Sands and Chasey [Lain]. She, for those brief moments, ceased to be a porn star and became nothing more or less than the girl next door. She reminisced about her childhood (Wisconsin? I don't recall, forgive me) and told stories while looking far off and remembering, a sparkle in her eye. At that moment, no man could have not fallen in love with this girl. As is always the case when keeping good company, the giggling and laughter echoed through that restaurant to excess as we waited for our plane to depart. A tale about Chasey's cum-eating dog nearly had me snorting beer out of my nostrils. It was one of the briefest, but most memorable, good times I've had with anyone in this industry.

There were no sluts at that table...no addicts...only four people traveling and spending a moment of comraderie during a tedious layover. Now, to read this continuing post, whether fully true or not, is entirely disheartening. Where is an industry that steps up for and looks out for it's own? Certainly one of the most popular girls in adult entertainment, Chasey falls on hard times and is the target of scorn and ridicule?! Who can fault a government, no matter how draconian, for waging war against an industry so very devoid of compassion and humanity? These are not disposable jackmasters here, these are human beings. No matter how low any one of them can go - dirty, bruised, naked, drug-addled, confused, homeless, toothless, I don't really give a damn. You pick the person up, if need be, and carry them on your back, until such time as they are settled enough to be placed on their feet again. Then the enemy, looking on, sees a community that will not let it's weak and it's weary be devoured by misfortune or chaotic happenstance and perhaps one day, the adult industry will be given the respect that so many of you feel it deserves. Until then, there's something here that's misshapen, ugly, bad and needs to die.

It's a sad commentary that many of us seem to put ourselves and each other through more hell than the religious right could ever hope to. Lighten up on each other...we all get old...we all experience crisis from time to time..we all make complete fools of ourselves at least once. In the small microcosm that is the adult entertainment world, how sad that anyone in need is met only with ridicule and criticism rather than literally dozens of people stepping forward with open arms. It's quickly becoming something that I, and probably this country, can live without. Chasey, hopefully, will make it through this, and will then be in an excellent position to re-evaluate friendships, career choices and her life in general. May she be blessed. Thanks for allowing my diatribe.

Amber@EroticVideos.com writes: I see again you posted "Luke says: I'm afraid the stories about Chasey Lain and her drug problems are true. Cops were called on her, she was arrested, her kid was taken away. She's been strung out on drugs. Ask the people at Vivid."

I did ask the people at Vivid, I did ask Kelli, she even let me talk to Taylor Hayes, (because Kelli [owner of EroticVideos.com] knows how much I love Chasey and how much this breaks my heart) which by the way is who you said told you that Chasey was a cracking smoking whore who got arrested and well - Taylor tells a different story. In fact Taylor Hayes laughed (just as Kelli did before) when I asked her about all of this --- so hmmmmmmm.... again I must ask - if you all say it is true - then where my friends can we find so much as one tiny piece of actual evidence - no here say but ACTUAL EVIDENCE.

Doesn't seem to be any actual evidence- all I hear are she said, he said, blah blah blah - come on Luke baby - show me something more than he said she said or I'm never gonna believe you - I'm just going to keep on believing what Vivid is telling us - that Chasey is perfect!!

7/27/01

Chasey Lain Says She's Not Addicted To Drugs

Vivid contract performer Chasey Lain told AVN.com: “I know everyone has said that I like to have a good time and everything and it’s true that I do but the rumors that I am a drug addict are one-hundred percent unfounded and not true.

“I didn’t really ever leave porn. I was pregnant for nine months and then I didn’t work for the whole year after he was born. My son is 2 years and 6 months now, so I started dancing again about a year ago and now I’m doing movies again. I liked taking a break. I got spoiled. I’ve been working about twelve years and doing adult for ten so I enjoyed the break but I’m really glad to be back.”

Vivid has revived Lain's series Chasin’ Pink which will be shot vignette-style. "They’re Andrew Blake with a Greg Dark edge. They’re really pretty, not much dialogue with a lot of music over them." (From AVN.com)

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Mutt writes on GFY: AVN is nothing but a bunch of slicks glued together with a cover.

Porn biz is pathetic when it comes to drugs - I never knew it was this bad. It's nothing like other industries, it's probably 3 times as worse. AVN can't do much about the problem but Luke is right, as the bible of the industry and one who has made millions off the little mental patients who make the porn world turn they should not bury the story of the drug problem and STD problem in the biz.

The truth is normal girls do not fuck on video for money. Not many anyway. They're messed up and lazy and it's all about the money. And almost always a piece of shit boyfriend behind the scenes.

I wish this biz was based on happy chicks who just are inhibited sexual thrill seekers but the majority are headcases.

That Chasey Lain is still in the business is kinda sad. I was told a couple years ago that she was married to a guy with a nice business, contractor or something.

You have to be a "loser-druggy" aka Substance Abuser to get anywhere in the porn world even yet gain respect at all by anyone. Or at least a history of substance abuse...

Have you people not realized that? The least you could do is joke about doing it too. And suddenly you're cool. I'm contemplating on whether I should move on with my life or joke around about how much heroine I shoot up a day and stand proud for it all. Better yet try it to make all you losers happy that yet another clean person in the industry just "made it big."

And I thought I was fucked in the head. LOL

Gee Gen, you sound miffed.

Is it because you're realizing this porn myth isn't all it's cracked up to be? If that story doesn't send shivers down your spine, I don't know what will.

By the way...about 'that girl'...

I'm sure you've all been wondering how that turned out...

She's out of porn.

Yep, I finally got in contact with her, and to my surprise, none of Gen's wonderful peers had enlightened her to the dangers she narrowly avoided.

For instance, none of you caring, loving, oh-so-self-righteous porn people had bothered to tell her what Gonnorea, Syphillis, Hepatitis C, and Chalamydia do.

But man, oh man, were you all so willing to offer her teenage body up for new bukkakes and gangbangs.

I feel pretty good knowing I helped a young woman possibly avert danger.

Maybe, one of these days, people like Gen will get where I'm coming from.

Can you imagine the shock on my face when this lovely young woman stared at me, here in my apartment, while watching a movie, and said...

"Syphillis can make you crazy? And it can make you lose your hair?"

"I could die from Hepatitis C?"

"Chlamydia can make me sterile?"

Yep, I had held out hope that maybe ONE of you people might have some decency, and might have told her about these horrors before I did...

...but guess what? None of you had.

And know I have a new story to tell her.

The Story of Chasey Lain.

I feel pretty damn good about getting that young lady, whom I will STILL never identify...

...OUT OF THE INDUSTRY.

I know that God smiles kindly on me for that.

Maybe one day I'll add a second name to my list.

Whenever you're ready to 'move on' with your life, Gen, I'd sure love to get that cup of coffee with you.

Until then, I'll just watch you all jerk each other off, while you slide down the tubes.

Duke Floored has EXACTLY the CORRECT perspective on the industry in his article.

I applaud him for having the guts to write it.

'The Outsider'

Everything IS what it's cracked up to be.

It's about sex, drugs, alcohol, rock n roll, STD risks, assholes and a few good people

But no matter where you go and what you do... the same will be there.

The only difference, the facts of what makes up an industry doesn't shine as brightly as the facts of pornography does.

Plain and simple.

You won't have my respect until Full Panel Tests are the NORM, and they are REQUIRED by ALL PORN COMPANIES before performing.

I know that AIM is now 'testing' for many STD's, but the fact is the studios still aren't requiring Full Panel Tests. They still only ask for PCR/DNA tests.

Sharon Mitchell herself said that the day is coming when the government will step in to regulate the industry.

God, how I wish that day comes soon.

If the government gets into it, which I pray it will, you'll also see mandatory drug screening, I belive, which would help filter out the 'Chasey Lains' before they get started.

Like I've said a million times...I don't hate porn.

I simply hate the way it's made.

If it was made to be safe...with all the things I just spoke about...I'd be praising you people from the top of my voice.

Sadly, things are moving very, very slowly.

I guess we'll just sit here and make fun of Chasey Lain for a while, and nothing will really change.

Enabler is a great word.

Duke Floored used it in his article.

That's what most of you are:

You're 'Enablers'.

By not telling young women what horrors await them, by not stepping in and truly requlating yourselves...

...you are indirectly 'enabling' more Chasey Lains, more angry young girls who will become sterile, and more pain and suffering.

If anyone ever actually takes action on the suggestions I've made, you can bet I'll be back here, singing their praises.

Porn DOES NOT have to be run this way, folks.

And girls like Gen, who actually have brains, know it.

Would any of you care if I came back and told you that the girl I knew had become sterile, or might die from Hepititis C?

Probably not.

Let the Chasey Lain's roll on then.

Let the Marc Wallice's continue editing.

None of you have my respect, and will never have my respect, until you stand up, and make porn SAFE.

Only your collective laziness prevents you from change.

'The Outsider'

If you don't get it, then don't worry about it.

If Chasey DIED of her O.D., she would be waayyyy cooler than anyone could ever conceive by now...

Who gives a toss what Luke Ford thinks?Or his "exclusives"? I wish people wouldn't build this guy up to be some sort of gosple on porn. He's only a guy like any one of us.
Excluding the women.
M Lyons.

i get what you are saying gen... thats why everyday i wake up i thank god for my addiction to pyrodoxine hydrochloride. it might help boost my career. clean living just doesnt pay off in this business.

LOL make sure you're taking the 100mg not the 50mg just in case. Or maybe we should do an overdose on the vitamin and be cooler!

marry me!

I was thinking... an extreme increase of B6 dosage can result in tingling sensations and even balance difficulties... that's gotta be a weird experience. If you have high levels of homocystiene you'd be damn to not have any issues with the coronary arteries. That means, you can die with pleasure and not die from coronary blockage. HUH? Cool! haha

I can't be any more simple than how I said it. Perhaps I'm dumb.

Just a few comments here on this whole issue:

So I'm really glad that the angel the outsider pulled some girl from the depths of porn and told her everything about the whole world that obviously her momma had forgotten to tell her. I had to do the same thing recently with my friend who joined the police force.

Can you believe nobody ever told him that he might get shot in the line of duty. I mean it was never explained to him by his superiors during training. They also never told him that there were dangers of gang violence, racial hate crimes and that people might rob a bank one day. He was actually responsible for knowing that himself????? I mean what the fuck!?!?!

Outsider you are one dumb asshole, any girl who lays down on a porn mattress to be filmed for a porno is 18 or over (some cases excluded in T. Lords case) and are ADULTS meaning if they don't know that sex causes STD's that is not the director or her co-stars fault, it is HERS! it is hers that she is so fucking stupid that she never learned about health. I can't be responsible that she was too busy doing her makeup in 4th peroid health/sex-ed class that she missed how to put the condom on the banana, or that she dropped out so she could hang out with her meth dealing boyfriend so she missed the final three years of school where she was supposed to learn that. And It's not Gen Padova's fault that your friends mom never took the time to teach her daughter what STD's you can get.

2nd point nimrod, syphilis, ghonerea, aids, all of it are passed around by people daily. not just porn people. At least the companies force some kind of test. At the nightclubs and house parties where the 18-25 party people are passing X, roofies, and gallons of alcohol around then going off and fukking their brains out with no condoms they don't make you show a current clean bill of health, so don't blame the industry you dipshit.

as far as the guy going on and on about how the industry is to blame for Chasey Lain and how that should have been the AVN's top story or what not, please tell me you have more common sense as a journalist about knowing which are the sexy stories and which ones aren't. You were all here in Vegas for a weekend and what did you see as advertisements..... "Best buffet in town $4.95" "loosest slot play gives you a guarunteed jackpot" "friendliest blackjack dealers in town" "best odds" "free show tickets", never do the casinos throw up on the marquee "welcome to the bellagio where so far 318 people have lost their life savings at our craps tables and had their wives leave them and 29 of the 318 have committed suicide." It's not good press to do so. Is it true? yes! everyday people come here and lose their ass and blow their brains out or jump off the stratosphere after losing everything, but vegas doesn't promote that image, and the AVN shouldn't be responsible for reporting their black eyes either.

And finally onto that assinine statement about a classy joint like the venetian doesnt want people drinking, doing drugs, ruining suites , spreading diseases etc.... what do you think normal tourists do in these places???? The hotels love when you drink yourself into a coma then go down to the tables and lose everything you have, or if they do drugs then hire hookers to come to the room, anyone who walks through the casino to go anywhere in the hotel is likely to drop money at a table or in a slot, so the casino wins. When the people get high in their room they have to eat after or order room service, more money for the casino. It's all about money!! they don't have a consciense about what their customers do!

All in all is it sad that Chasey Lain O.D.'d? not really, if you are a fan of her or not the facts are shes a complete loser. She has made a career and a name for herself based upon looks only, then has proceeded to waste it all for drugs and booze. She obviously has a shitty choice for her husband/father of her kid who supports and encourages her shitty lifestyle. She's an unfit mom and an addict. All of these choices made by her and her only. The industry never cooked her meth for her, never bought her H directly, but im sure her husband did. Everyday there are hot girls with loser druggy boyfriends who keep em strung out, and they aren't in porn, the industry is not to blame, you can all look at Cahsey and just blame her! just like she needs to look in the mirror and blame herself!

couldn't have said it better myself

Well said. I praise thee!

That was straight to the point.Good job Lowdown.

Dear Lowdown...

I guess if I had no conscience, I might agree with you.

Since I do happen to have one of those, I just don't.

In Real Estate in California, the general theory is DISCLOSE, DISCLOSE, DISCLOSE.

When people go Whitwater Rafting, even on not very dangerous rivers, the general theory is to take the prospective rafters aside BEFORE the rafting trip, and explain to them, 'yes, you could die doing this.'

In both cases, yes, sales might be effected by being HONEST and FORTHRIGHT with the buyers, or, as it were, rafters.

My wife was scared to death to go rafting, for instance.

Before we went on our Class 5 high season ride, the guide took us all aside, and the very FIRST words out of his mouth were these:

"Ladies and gentlemen, we here at American Whitewater Rafting would like you to know something before you go on this trip. We don't care about sales enough to mislead you. You could DIE doing this, folks. If you fall out of the boat, and get caught in those branches on the sides, your flesh could get turned into swiss cheese. To avoid this danger, if you do happen to fall out, GET YOUR ASS TO THE MIDDLE OF THE RIVER AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. Your lifejacket will float you, and we will get you back in the boat as soon as humanely possible."

He went on from there, and very eloquently told us about ALL THE WAYS IN WHICH WE COULD GET HURT, AND WHAT WE COULD DO TO AVOID SCREWING UP.

Why can't it be this way in porn?

You people are taking TEENAGERS, straight out of high school, and putting them in DANGEROUS SITUATIONS, such as DP, Double Anal, Ass-to-Mouth (disease) and so on.

Why can't you take the time to do what our rafting guide did, and EXPLICITLY tell these KIDS about the DANGERS?

We all know why you don't do this.

You're all afraid the girl would run out of your office, and you'd lose your next big Bukkake or Anal queen.

But would this really happen?

My wife went on the rafting trip, EVEN AFTER she endured the chilling, and HONEST explanation of all the terrible things that could go wrong.

You know WHY she still went?

Because she was GRATEFUL that our guide had been HONEST with us, and felt she could TRUST HIM because he had DISCLOSED all the possible associated risks.

You may think a girl, straight out of high school, should know what all these diseases do. Guess what? They don't.

You may think all girls in high school have been around creeps like many of the jerks on this board and know what coke and speed are, and do. Guess what? Not all of them do.

In my dealings with people in life, I ALWAYS DISCLOSE, DISCLOSE, DISCLOSE.

I can sleep at night.

Can you?

No one in the industry has any diseases.

That's what you'd think from reading these forums.

No one in the industry, especially you fat ass slobs in this forum, EVER offers young girls coke or speed.

That's what you'd think from reading these forums.

Do you remember where the fuck YOUR HEAD WAS when you were 18?

I know where mine was.

It was straight up my ass.

You people have been in this game for YEARS.

To attempt to tell me that all girls SHOULD KNOW the things that even YOU DIDN'T KNOW when you were 18...

That's fucking ludicrous.

Sorry, it don't fly with me.

You tell people what you know.

You tell these girls, straight up and honest, ALL THE RISKS before they get into this shit.

After that, if they still choose to do it...it's on them.

Porn can be made safely, and morally.

You people need to take responsibility, since you've been in the fucking game so long.

Trying to tell me that an 18 year old is a worldly human being is a joke.

Yeah, you've got the law on your side.

They're adults.

But when they leave the industry with 6 STD's and a coke habit...it's all the girls own faults?

I don't think so.

Those who have KNOWLEDGE and EXPERIENCE are bound, BY GOD, AND BY A SENSE OF PERSONAL MORAL RESPONSIBILITY-

...to protect EVEN THE WEAK AND STUPID.

So, were you a genius at age 18?

Did you know what all those diseases were?

Did you know what coke, speed and heroin do to an addict in the long run?

Did you know?

I don't think you did.

I sure as fuck know I didn't.

Being honest with teenagers, and DISCLOSING ALL OF THE RISKS involved in porn would NOT HURT ANY OF YOU.

And I doubt very seriously that you'd lose any girls at all, and they'd probably have a lot more respect for you.

The girl I knew had actually spoken to many of you on this board.

Guess what?

She never got a lecture from ANY OF YOU about what could happen to her.

Through her, I now have a pretty good idea of how you people operate.

You treat these girls like shit.

I think you need to start treating them better.

But hey, that's just my opinion.

Until the feds come in and force you to change, which they will be doing very soon, the stupidity will go on, and on.

That is, unless I actually get through to some of you, and your hearts...if you still actually posess them.

God Bless Duke Floored (Luke Ford) for having the balls to call a spade a spade.

Things DO NOT have to be this way people.

Porn can be made SAFELY, and the performers CAN BE protected.

'The Outsider'

p.s.

I'd like to thank Mr. Duke Floored (Luke Ford) for featuring this thread on his site, Adultbeat.com.

To report the Truth, ladies and gentlemen, whether it makes people mad or not...

That- is what we call a JOURNALIST.

There need to be more of those in this industry.

Too many TOOLS, not enough JOURNALISTS.

The Outsider

Whether you love him or hate him,I'll admit that Luke Ford(Duke Floored) always knows how to make his articles interesting,entertaining,and very readable,no matter how angry,pitiful, or anti-porn he seems to be at times,for he has that certain catch that can always get you pissed at him,or be laughing with him or at him(which many folks seem to always do).

DCypher of HardcoreGossip.com responds to Duke Floored's article on the Chasey Lain O.D. story. ("Duke Floored" is actually Luke Ford the person--not to be confused with LukeFord.com). At the beginning of Duke Floored's original Chasey Lain O.D. article on the AdultBeat.com website, he briefly quoted someone named Don Ho, but the rest of the article were the words of Duke Floored. However, in DCypher's original response to the Duke Floored article, he got confused and thought that the article was written by Don Ho. When Duke Floored found out, he took DCypher to task via a heated exchange of e-mails between them. DCypher made the decision to edit his original response (posted below), substituting the name of Duke Floored everywhere in his article he had erroneously mentioned Don Ho. Note: Although I can't prove it, I'm 99.9999% certain that "Don Ho" is none other than Duke Floored (aka Luke Ford). Luke Ford (his real name) has a history of coming up with fictitious people and quoting them in his articles as if they're real. You can take it to the bank that "Don Ho" is Duke Floored, even though DCypher seems to think that Don Ho is a real person. Kind of confusing, isn't it?
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Chasey Lain OD Scandal Exposed- ***UPDATED***

[By DCypher, January 12th, 2004]

After a series of insulting emails I have exchanged with Don Ho this evening I have come to the knowledge that Don Ho did not say ANY of the things in the adultbeat.com article and that in fact Duke has only quoted Don Ho for the following:

1. "Tiffany Case" is a character in a Bond flick. Which I know off the top of my head.
2. "Chasey Lain's" real name is Tiffany Jones. Which I find out in 30 seconds.


The problem stems from a misreading of another Duke Floored article, in which his befuddled writing has lead me to believe that Don Ho had said the litany of unacceptable statements. Fuck me. How do you tell someone that they were right, you are sorry for the misunderstanding, and go fuck yourself? When I find out, I'll tell Don Ho. Until then, I have replaced the words Don Ho with DUKE FLOORED. I guess that settles that...

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There is a breaking story running on ADULT BEAT from DUKE FLOORED about Chasey Lain's apparent cocaine overdose on the Convention Floor during AEE. I have checked with my sources that tell me that it is TRUE but that she is all right.

The article goes on to slam AVN, VIVID, and Tim Connelly, accusing them of covering up the overdose for fear of making AVN and porn look bad. DUKE FLOORED castigates Tim and to call up a litany of decisions that Tim has made since he became publisher he disagrees with. He claims, without a shred of substantiation, that Tim tried to cover the story up, amongst other ludacrious claims.

Me personally, I am happy to have Tim as the spokesperson for the Adult Entertainment Industry, which I got the chance to tell him to his face during the show. As to the accusations that have been levelled against him, let's go through them, shall we? Then we can try to make sense of them.

TIM BROUGHT EXTREME BACK INTO THE FOLD
I understand and sympathize with those of you who lament AVN, Paul, and Tim's decision to bury the grudge with Extreme Associates, Rob Black, and Evolution Erotica. I can assure you that on some level this must have been difficult for everyone involved. After all, Rob Black ran a malicious, personal character attack against Paul Fishbein, including starting a website entitled fuckpaulfishbein.com, in which he was depicted as a dancing Hitler. No, you say, that doesn't sound like Rob Black. Sure it is. No one has more reason to hate Rob than Paul, so for Paul to bury the hatchet and accept him back, there must be a good reason.

I am just speculating here. We know that it wasn't money because Rob doesn't have any, and his checks are no good anyway. If I had to guess, AVN brought Rob back to rein him in and put him on a leash so he could be walked through his obscenity trial that AFFECTS US ALL with it's outcome. Do you want Rob making a circus act out of his trial and saying, fuck porn, who cares what happens, when we all have to live with the aftermath of his trial? Tim, Paul, and everyone involved deserve our praise and our thanks for that, not scorn. Pull your head out of your ass, DUKE FLOORED, and wake up. Ashcroft is still riding a white horse through Porn Valley and swinging the sickle and you might be next. The war on terror is turning on it's own citizens. For further education on that, check the latest AVN article by Mark Kernes.

TIM GOT RID OF BILL LYON FROM FSC AND REPLACED HIM WITH KAT SUNLOVE
The Free Speech Coalition has been as rife with corruption as the Italian Government for years. We could spend days and days discussing just this issue alone. Why don't you post the real issue here instead of pointing fingers? You accuse AVN of hiding something after this cryptic, good ole boy post?

TIM TRIED TO COVER UP THE CHASEY LAIN STORY
Great. Good. Now you've got some good stuff here. How did he try to cover it up? The only thing you say Don is that AVN didn't cover it on their website, AVN.COM. Where is the rest of your proof? Let's hear it, and it better be substantiated this time with some real fucking evidence. I will hold my breath.

TIM FORCED ALL PORN STARS TO TEST AT AIM
I loved this one personally. This was the most malicious of them. First of all, Tim isn't forcing people to test at AIM. They can test at their personal doctor if they like, as long as it is a valid PCR DNA test. You suggest Don that the reason he does this is because Sharon is his former lover. What you fail to mention is that the "other clinic" who shall remain nameless, was returning inaccurate test results and was engaged in questionable and unsafe practices. You fail to mention that several HIV POSITIVE performers were sent to this other clinic and came back with NEGATIVE results from their lab tests, effectively proving the clinic to be not only ineffective, but DANGEROUS. Any time you want to answer to any of these allegations, let me know.

I found this statement particularly quixotic...

This is typical how our industry leaders deal with life-threatening problems like AIDS and drugs and the like. They deny them. They cover them up. They lie about them. They pour hatred and threats upon the messenger of bad news.

Who are these industry leaders? Paul Fishbein? Tim Connelly? Steve Hirsch? When have they denied that AIDS is a real and serious issue in the world or in porn? When have they come out and said that drugs are not real or that they don't affect the porn industry? Where is this virulent hatred for AVN coming from and why is it so misdirected?

Another bizzare statement as far as I am concerned, was this...

I wonder why a classy joint like the Venetian would want porn conventions if porners are going to do a bunch of drugs, damage their suites, spread diseases, wear obscene t-shirts and jackets, and otherwise frighten the polite citizens of the otherwise wholesome casino?

I am glad to see it was at least given as a musing rather than a CNN report this time. Let me address it, too. First of all, not all porners do drugs. Second of all, drug addiction is a problem facing all professions, not just pornography.

Next, who damaged a suite at the Venetian? Are you sure you aren't just talking out your ass again DUKE FLOORED?

And what is this nonsense about spreading disease? Porn stars are tested regularly for VD in the course of their work, at reliable clinics like AIM who don't return dangerously inaccurate test results, which is far better than the odds you face taking some chick home from a bar. I also don't think these polite citizens you are so worried about protecting were fucking the porn stars, and the only place in the world that has airborne chylamedia is China, so that's not the issue. How are the porn stars spreading disease? Are they going door to door and handing out crabs? Can you name a case where a polite citizen visiting the Venetian contracted herpes because a dirty porn star was staying there at the same time? I'm beginning the think that LUKE FORD is the the psuedonym for Jimmy Swaggart.

I can personally say that the polite citzens of the wholesome casino were the only people I saw wearing obscene t-shirts. I never once saw Andrew Blake dressed in a shirt that read "IT'S MY BIRTHDAY NOW SUCK MY DICK" or Michael Ninn wearing a shirt that said "THE MAN, THE LEGEND" with one arrow pointing to his head and one to his crotch. I saw both of those shirts on the same polite citizens that came to the showfloor and bellowed out obscenities at passing girls, grabbed my girlfriends ass, and are probably at home now with their wives and children trying to hide the contraband they got signed under their beds with the crucifix hanging over them.

The article you wrote DUKE FLOORED is stupid, antiporn, and crude, lacking style or substance, but most of all lacking validity. I hope Tim personally responds to you because he could take you apart in seconds and teach you some fucking manners. As to AVN covering it up, read all about it as well as another OD here on AVN.COM, CHASEY LAIN OD ARTICLE

Here is the bottom line. Chasey has a substance abuse problem. It is problem that 1,776,923 people checked into rehab for in 2000 alone according to the SAMHSA It is not Tim's fault that Chasey has a drug problem, or Paul Fishbein's or Steve Hirsch's or Rob Fucking Black's. Next time think before you open your fucking mouth or address the real issues bothering you, DUKE FLOORED.

Outsider,
I am so sick of you saying that because the girls are 18 they don't know the risks of having sex. When I was in school that's all they drilled into our heads. In homeroom they showed us videos about the AIDS epidemic and how it was spreading, in health and biology they showed us films on STD's and their prevention. The teacher were constantly preaching safe sex, safe sex and these rituals started in Jr. High.
I also think it's quite presumptuous
of you to assume that we (the industry) feed these girls drugs. Do you think there is more or less drug use going on in every college in America? Are we (the industry) supplying their drugs too?

Why don't you go take up a more worth while cause like stopping bombs from going off in Iraq.

You all want porn to be accepted into mainstream society.

Problem is, it simply isn't going to happen when stories like Chasey Lain, and girls who get STD's from shoots keep popping up.

Do girls get drugs in society outside of porn?

Sure they do.

Do girls get diseases in society outside of porn?

Sure they do.

But guess what?

We have TESTS that can ELIMINATE those girls with DRUG HABITS and STD'S from ever bringing EITHER with them to their shoots.

If you want porn to be truly acceptable, you're simply going to have to treat it like a BUSINESS- with ETHICS, MORALS, and CODES- just like ANY OTHER BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN AMERICA.

If a girl gets an STD from doing some loser she met at a bar, that's her bad.

But DAY OF SHOOT TESTING AND RESULTS would PREVENT HER from ever bringing that STD to the shoot, and exposing other performers.

Same with Mandatory Drug Testing.

If you require Drug Testing along with your STD testing...

You won't have any more nasty Chasey Lain stories popping up.

Is the logic of this really so hard to understand?

Obviously, the REAL REASON you people aren't following these practices is because YOU DON'T WANT TO.

Most of you already have Herpes, Chlamydia, Gonnorea, Genital Warts, and Hepatitis A, B, or C.

Full Panel Testing directly threatens your INCOMES.

Many of you also have DRUG HABITS.

Mandatory Drug Testing would eliminate YOU TOO.

That's why the United States Government is simply going to have to step in, and make you morons adopt higher standards.

Funny thing is, when that happens, porn will begin to be seen as SAFE...AND GUESS WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT?

You'll have a BOOM in the new Actress and Actor market, prices for their services will DROP, and you guys will get better quality people, FOR LESS MONEY...because it's SAFE.

Is THAT logic hard to understand?

You're all just stuck, is what's going on.

It's partially political, partially economic, and partially just fucking EVIL.

These girls that come in straight out of high school aren't doing DP's and Ass to Mouth because they're well adjusted teens.

They're doing this shit out of ANGER.

Mom didn't pay attention to them because she worked nights and was never home.

Dad took off a long time ago.

Nobody gives a shit what they do, so they come to you people to get attention.

And then you people grind them up, like hamburger meat, put them in a package, and send them out in little DVD boxes to Iowa and beyond.

My point is this:

Just because these girls were ugly duckings in school, who recently got 'cute'- hell, MOST of these chicks aren't even 'cute', not by my standards anyways...

...but regardless...

...just because you're dealing with KIDS who aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, doesn't mean you have the moral right to treat them this way.

If you followed the procedures I outlined up top, you would be PROTECTING THEM.

Wouldn't it make you feel better to know that these 18 year olds didn't get an STD on your set, and spread it, on your set?

Wouldn't it make you feel better to know that you PREVENTED a drug addict from entering the porn world to begin with?

Wouldn't you all be able to sleep better at night knowing you had created a SAFE AND SANE PORN PRACTICES CODE that made your industry look better in the eyes of America- and would be responsible for leading the WORLD to better practices?

Hell, it sure would make me feel MUCH BETTER to know that these girls I'm whacking off to are SAFE, HEALTHY, and AREN'T ABOUT TO COMMIT SUICIDE at the next expo in Vegas.

I happen to LOVE women.

I don't enjoy knowing that these girls are getting hurt.

Sue me.

The Outsider

You know outsider I do have a problem sleeping at night, but while reading you dreadful ass 8 mile long post i zonked right the fuck out!!!

I can't sleep at night because i can not possibly believe that there is a guy as ignorant as you walking the face of the earth and nobody has cracked your annoying ass skull in yet! it really bothers me!

Did I know everything at 18? well let's see... I guess background may help..... I'm 25, raised my whole life by a single mom who worked 2 jobs, dad bailed when i was 3 years old. so based upon those facts i guess i was destined to be both a gangbanger, uneducated about sex, and i should have turned to drugs and alcohol as an outlet for the frustration. Ok, so i went a different route I didn't join a gang i played football instead, I actually stayed awake in health class to know to put on a condom, and i never touched drugs or alcoho

But check this out... I had this friend in school his parents were loaded, great family structure like dinner every night with mom dad bro sis all that stuff, real bright kid could always depend on him for help with homework and what not , highly religious and everythign i wasnt, That kid was toking weed at 13, and drinking heavily by 14, by the time we graduated he was way into meth and coke, go figure

The point is you dumb prick people are people, the ones who are gonna be boozers and crackheads are not determined by the line or work they choose.

The sex performers in the world cannot be babysat and followed around with fucking handcuffs on them like you want them to have done , did i ever tell you about this girl heidi??? ok imagine this bitch man, im like 15-16 right? this girl is in my health class, shes so fukcking hot, an ass that wont quit, great face great body, and this girl don't wanna hear shit about what anyone has to say , you can't tell her anythign, teachers can't get her to pay attention she's just not into being taught or told right. So what happened to heidi, She's 25 now, has 3 kids, from 3 dads, a nice spped habit, with a chaser of alcoholism, and not to mention a great set of strechmarks all over that once hot body, and guess what outsider, she never did porn!! She didn't want to hear what people who knew better had to say she chose her life now she's living with it.

How many 18 year old porn girls are gonna wanna sit through classes about std prevention and how to handle money issues with your porn career and how to have a fallback plan after the laying on your back days are over??

Sorry to everyone for the rant this guy just really runs my nerves with his shit that doesn't make any sense what so ever, instead of us finally seeing it your way, how about you realize how off base you are and see it our way, things aren't gonna change for your desires anytime soon. You mentioned that you had your head up your ass at 18, well all these years later, it hasn't come out yet!!

i agree with you lowdown, this guy is a total idiot with a "need" to feel important by "rescuing" these girls. while at the same time suffering from a classic "maddona/whore" complex.

truth is, i can only think of one other person who annyoys me this much, and that is that scumbag Luke Ford. why people in this business even still speak to him is beyond me. Luke wants nothing more than to see us alll up shits creek on the ashcroft ferry boat, and yet some porners still go and speak to him.
the funny thing is how much The Outsider reminds me of him....

My posts aren't geered towards regular people, such as yourself, or even your fucked up friend, Heidi.

My posts are intended to be read, and debated, by people IN THE INDUSTRY who actually MAKE PORN.

These people in this business want you to believe they're all just nice guys, doing a 'job'.

They aren't.

They aren't running a BUSINESS in the manner that ALL OTHER AMERICAN BUSINESSES run.

But, THEY SHOULD BE.

If creating works of art in which people are having sex on camera is your business, you should treat it as such.

What would happen if a piece of dirt got into a silicone computer motherboard at a computer factory?

Well, they'd make damn sure it wouldn't get in again, by installing fans that suck dirt out of the air in the factory, and making the workers wear white, clean suits.

If drywall guys have to go in and take out a ceiling that has asbestos in it, they are required to wear protective gear.

Why?

Because they could get cancer from the asbestos they're pulling out of the ceiling.

OSHA, the Occupational Safety and Hazard Administration, under the government of the United States, REQUIRES that WORKERS be treated with care while in safe working environments on the job.

Why is porn exempt?

Why should a drug addict who's been using needles be allowed on a porn set, or even at a convention in Vegas?

Don't we all know that needles spread diseases?

Was anyone out to lunch about Chasey Lain, and her condition?

I don't think so.

The bottom line is this:

The people who make porn made Chasey Lain.

Now, they'd like to sweep her under the rug.

She's all used up, and ready for the scrap pile.

Is that fair?

Is that right?

People WHO DON'T FUCK ON CAMERA FOR A LIVING are NOT doing a JOB.

People who ARE FUCKING ON CAMERA FOR A LIVING are DOING A JOB.

In America, it isn't fair to treat one business one way, and another a different way.

Going to work in porn should be just as safe, without long-term repercussions, as going to work at a computer manufacturing company, or a construction job where they pull asbestos out of old ceilings.

Since you apparently ARE NOT employed as a porn person...

...exactly NONE of my posts apply to you.

The Outsider

outsider... before i glorify your response withe an answer was it directed at lowdown, me, or us both.

hopefully it was you rob, cause im not even glorifying his ass with a response to that, he obviously is the type of guy who once he knows you have him outwitted wants to discount you from the conversation, hes that same guy who talks shit then once you turn around and he realizes you could beat the dog shit out of him says " no im sorry sir i wasnt talking to you i was talking to that little old lady on the motorizedcart who i am sure i could take out"

Hmmm....I'm beginning to wonder if Outsider isn't Luke Ford himself. Just a thought.

not quite the subtle way i said it... but the same point is there.
kind of obvious when the thread showed up on adult beat.
luke is a whiney fuckin coward.

and by the way Outsider/Luke,
if you were referring to me, i work in front of the camera, im a meat puppet. i'm new, ive been in this for 4 months, but it's what i do... so obviously your posts WERE directed towards me.... my wife works in this business as a performer as well, and you are sorely mistaken in your view of people in this business.... you like all the other anti-porn wackos use a few bad examples as representative of a whole industry. i dont say all postal workers are insane killers, or all catholic priests are child molestors... or even that all Porn "journalists" are assholes.... just because luke ford is, doesnt mean that the others are. i judge people on an individual basis, by the actions they display. these girls are not all stupid, niether are the guys... we know the risks we take walking on set every day, just like i know the risk when i manuver my 1500lbs bomb through traffic at 70 miles an hour on the way there. we are not all on drugs, we are not all molested as children... some of us just act on our carnal desires and dont mind getting paid for it.

yeah... i think i remember that conversation.... i was lurking long before i was posting.

I don't think 'The Outsider' is Luke Ford. One reason being is that he posts on other boards like GFY and Oprano and has confrontations, pointed posts, topics, etc. using his real name (or at least DUC).
He's not afraid to express his opinion on AdultBeat or anywhere else, so why would he hide using an alias here?

I am absolutely honored, and flattered, that some of you think I'm actually Luke Ford.

Luke is a Journalist, with a capital J.

I have also been a Journalist.

Besides that, I've been a college English teacher.

Thus, both Luke and I share a number of things in common.

As a Journalist, you are taught to report the Truth.

You're also taught that there are many, many people who won't like you very much when you do that.

In defense of Luke Ford, what many of you don't want to admit is this:

When you think of a TRUSTED source of information, you go to Luke FIRST. You do this, whether you want to admit it or not, because you know Luke can take the heat. He doesn't bow to advertisers, or threats from ex-cons who run porn companies.

Luke focusses on telling the Truth.

As to Rob's comments:

Rob, I wish you the best in this industry.

My wife and I had briefly thought of getting into it, probably for the wrong reasons, and our education, given to us by the people on this board, helped convince us out of it.

We're going to have kids within the next few years, and my wife gave me an ulitimatum.

She said, "yeah, sure we can do that. But if I get a disease, and can't have kids because of it, you'd better believe you're never going to hear the end of it."

I listen to my wife, and I love her dearly.

We love having female lovers, and we've had many of them, but it's always been relationships. I guess the new, hip term for this is 'monogamous polyamorism'. Shit, we used to just call it 'having a girlfriend'.

So, I must admit Rob, I am a bit envious of you.

However, knowing what I now know about how this industry REALLY works, I'd have to say I worry about you.

If you aren't planning on having kids, you're probably fine.

Unfortunately, if you are planning on having kids, you might want to rethink this.

What sucks is that I know I could give all you 'meat puppets' a good run for your money. Mr. Everhard's 'hate plow' is something I do on a regular, nightly basis. It comes easy.

I would LOVE to participate in the industry.

But, from what I now know, it simply isn't safe.

I wish you luck, though.

Even though you might not know it, Rob, what I'm fighting for here is rules and codes that actually protect YOU.

I hope this never happens, but if you ever wake up one day with that 'it hurts when I pee' feeling, you may think of me.

Unfortunately, Americans aren't very good at visualizing bad things that may happen in the future. We kind of live on a day-to-day basis, and take things as they come...

Why?

Because we're cowboys, right?

I guess I'm a different kind of cowboy.

I'm a cowboy who's able to think many, many moves in advance, kind of like in chess.

No matter which way I play this porn game out in my head, however, I always end up losing.

I don't like the odds.

I especially don't like the odds for beautiful teenage KIDS who happen to be ANGRY and enter the industry without any sort of fair and balanced information.

That's why I like Luke.

Luke has a heart.

He gives us both sides of the porn story because he cares.

People don't make good decisions based on propaganda.

So who makes propaganda?

Well, let's see...

Scott Fayner loves drugs. He wants a porn star for a wife. He's Jewish. And he loves drugs. Not a whole lot of both sides of the story coming from Scott Fayner.

Adultfyi...well, they completely passed over the negative story of Chasey Lain because they couldn't 'confirm it'. That means they weren't working very hard. They missed the story. Then, when they got it, they tried to nail Luke for getting it. That's called 'sucky jounalism.'

Mike South...well, he still has a heart, but needs to acquire a backbone. Trying to please everyone won't make you happy, Mike. Learn from Luke. Just report the Truth, and stick to it, even if it makes you unpopular. It's better to be respected than loved. Love is fleeting.

I hope you all hate my guts for saying the things I say.

I really do.

It's okay with me.

I'll always tell you the Truth.

That's how I live my life, and that's why my wife loves me, and allows us to have female lovers.

It's an honor to be mistaken for Luke Ford.

As for you, Rob, I wish you the best.

If things always go okay, and you never catch anything, you'll probably hate me forever.

But if things go wrong, and you end up with something...

...something that you'll never ever get rid of, and makes your health provider drop you or triple your rates...

...maybe then you'll see me differently.

The Outsider

outsider, first off, im sorry i boosted your ego it was an honest mistake. pompusness like that i thought was one of a kind.

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i don't consider luke a trusted sorce... in all the years i watched him he only covers the negative angle (for the most part) and if you are referring to who i think you are about the "ex-con", in my dealings with him he is a fine man who i trust far more than i ever would Luke.

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well, i would say a comparison to a disease is appropriate... i promise when i go to AIM to pick up my antibiotics i will tell them i have a case of The Outsider.

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im far from angry, and im no kid. i have been around or involved in adult entertainment most of my life... i grew up around it. i am aware of all of the risk... as for anger, anger is a wasted emotion. i say things to draw the truth from people sometimes, but never out of anger... when i say i dislike anyone it is not from anger or hatred, it is because they act with a certain level of ignorance.
i do agree that many performaers come in unaware of many of the risks, but they will not care if you tell them or not. it's a sad but true fact. ignorance is abound in every profession though... there are always those who wont take the proper precautions in their everyday job...not just in porn. but we do what we need to to keep safe.

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Scott Fayner loves drugs. He wants a porn star for a wife. He's Jewish. And he loves drugs. Not a whole lot of both sides of the story coming from Scott Fayner.

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i agree that Fayners drug use is bad... personally i have not touched a drug in 8 years. i feel they are evil in many ways. but you throw in that he is jewish as one of the bad things... that is frightening. that discounts any point you make... besides... luke is jewish too.

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Adultfyi...well, they completely passed over the negative story of Chasey Lain because they couldn't 'confirm it'. That means they weren't working very hard. They missed the story. Then, when they got it, they tried to nail Luke for getting it. That's called 'sucky jounalism.

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on this i disagree, while mike, luke and others were running with incomplete stories.. gene and wayne were being responsible trying to get the full and complete story, not going off of maybes. that is responsible journalism.

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Mike South...well, he still has a heart, but needs to acquire a backbone. Trying to please everyone won't make you happy, Mike. Learn from Luke. Just report the Truth, and stick to it, even if it makes you unpopular. It's better to be respected than loved. Love is fleeting.

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im gonna stay out of this one, i consider mike a friend and he helped us get into the business, but i cannot always agree with him though. i didn't always agree with my father but i still loved him... i feel the same way about mike.

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I hope you all hate my guts for saying the things I say.

I really do.

It's okay with me.

I'll always tell you the Truth

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i dont hate, it is wasteful to spend energy on something like that. i would rather spend that energy on the things i love.

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As for you, Rob, I wish you the best.

If things always go okay, and you never catch anything, you'll probably hate me forever.

But if things go wrong, and you end up with something...

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as i said, i dont waste time on hate, it is petty and better left aside. i dont have time for hate. i might notagree with what you say,but that does not mean i dislike you as a person. i think you really do feel you are trying to help. but i also feel you are slightly sociopathic, its ok, most of us are... but once you admit it you can see why people might take the things you say as sounding psychotic sometimes, bordering on threatening. sometimes we need to step back away from ourselves and realize the way we are percived is the way we are treated... if you did not come off sounding so deranged, you might find more willing to hear what you have to say.... but your approach is what is questionable... i agree the business could be safer than it is now, i agree with your core message... just your technique needs help.

I'm not going to be as nice as Rob, sorry I have hate in me


This guy the fucking outsider , ok nimrod if you are such a fucking journalist with a capital J and you belive in truth truth truth truth truth, where is the supposed reality show about you and your wife we were supposed to see come last October that top Hollywood producers wanted you for?? Oh what's that you made it up and it was all a lie to make you look cool on this message board, nice truth asshole!!

Go down to a print works and scan a copy of your college degree fuckface and prove one thing you have said on this board, let's see a college schedule with your name on it as professor from any college?

I have gone back and looked at your posts and one thing is clear you are FULL OF SHIT!! You also promised you would leave this board, so why couldn'y you keep that the truth


crossover, slam dunk, GAMEOVER!!!


* I know I am new on the board and haven't really earned my stripes yet and sorry if I am stepping on anyone's toes by being so vulgar to this guy, but he is a god damn cockroach and needs to be exterminated or crushed with a boot! Rob you and your wife need to piss into his wife's mouth while hes tied to a chair!

The Outsider... you realize you keep preaching, spending so much time with your long messages which is fine, but its redundant. Not only that but it's obvious that almost everyone on this message board know the risks otherwise they wouldn't be acknowledging you or even reading your messages.

Also, I think you should interview as many porn girls as you can, of course collect their names and ask them if they know the risks of the industry. I believe more than half know the risks. And I bet you a bigger percentage know the risks and aren't too concerned of it. Who knows what the case may be.

But you keep asking why can't the porn industry be the same as this white water rafting class... that's because porn isn't white water rafting. I dont know how else to explain it. You know damn well that every kind of life's risk in death isn't prevented the same way. SO by you using that as an example of how the porn world should be is like saying that's how everything should be warned.

I have the impression that if pornography wasn't a huge concern with life's risks, more so health risks, it'd be something else. I just wanted to point out that this is never going to end.

Keep on ranting and raving.

Also, it's funny how you say that part of the reason why pornography isn't accepted into mainstream because of people like Chaisy Lain and her over dose etc...

...that's a bunch of bull shit. First off, you're always hearing about mainstream hollywood actors on drugs, OD-ing such as Robert Downey Jr. he's the biggest story of them all to say the least.

I think the fact that pornography is rated X which leaves available to a smaller community of people and the content thats portrayed is high controversial when it comes to sex.

Hollywood has a battle of it's own producing too rich of films showing too much detail. Sure the idea of mainstream accepting us is ideal but reality is, forget about it and move on.

If you want to make things dirty, THE OUTSIDER, tell me what makes you think it's the "RIGHT THING" to fuck around with other people with your wife?

At the rate you're going, you sound like a hopeful preacher and any preacher definitely wouldn't approve of sharing your LOVING partner. That's not very unporn of you. You could get a STD, you could DIE, oh my fucking god! You must stop and save yourself from death and destruction of your sacred body. Get real.

I remember you saying you always had your partners tested before you fucked with them which is a bunch of crap because you claimed to have a different partner with your wife every week... put them together, it's not possible. Sorry dude.

Go ahead and use the condom excuse but if you think about it, you're taking a risk still being that latex isn't 100% guaranteed. Latex, Pores, STDs equals possible infection, OH MY!

Even if you did have all your partners tested for STDs, you're still taking a risk because mistakes can happen. There's a 12% mistake rate in a lab. Urine accuracy is only 77% accurate... okay so you had all the tests done by blood, still you're taking a risk because it's not 100% accurate. Trust me, the lab may be clean in some degree but it's still dirty and there's always a mess to clean up and mistakes to re-do. What about herpes that you can not detect by test especially when the person is not having a outbreak? What about HPV in women that you can't detect unless they have a papsmear, cultures, biopsies? hmmm, I think you should start thinking deeper into things if you're gonna make this public and take it as serious as you seem to go with the STD issue...

All in all, no matter what you're always taking a risk. Even when you're getting in a car to drive someone. For all you know you could be driving home late night and some asshole like Fayner or Taylor Rain is driving under the influence and decides to take your life... but they don't seem to be bothered by the DUI, they'll keep going. Same as porn and STDs if you want to get technical.

So remember, don't drive either. I wouldn't want to put your life in more jeopardy...

Shut the fuck up already.All your posts are the same.Whether your "MichelinHB", or" The Outsider",among the names you used, you keep ranting about the same shit over and over again.Get off your high horse already.

Dear Rob, Lowdown, Gen, and Mr. WankerWang-ChicoTraviesco-KhanTusion-andwhateveraliascomesnext-

Gen makes a good point.

Life is not safe.

I'll have to agree with that. It isn't. Rob also made that point, in saying that even if you told most new performers the risks, they wouldn't care anyway. Chico-Wanker-Khan made the point that many of my posts harp on the same things. He's correct too.

The only point I fervently disagree with is the gentleman who suggested tying me down as Rob and his wife pissed down my wife's throat.

Gosh, that just seems rude, not to allow me to participate.
How unfriendly.

So here's my response to all these lovely points:

Yes, most girls probably would be too fucked up to care if you sat them down, and attempted to scare the crap out of them by telling them what could happen to them if they decide to go into Porn. We aren't talking about people who are already in the business, Rob, we're talking about the 'fresh off the bus' girls who just put their pencils down a month ago.

I think you have a DUTY, if you are KNOWLEDGABLE, and have EXPERIENCE, to PROTECT the WEAK and STUPID.

If you tell them, if you test them, if you make an ATTEMPT to protect these fresh KIDS from disaster, in my book, that makes you a good person.

On the other hand, if you get them to give you a blow job in your office, offer them a line of speed or coke, tell them you'll give them a 'whopping' $1,500 for a 'DP', and send them to AIM so they can get their 'clean test result' without informing them that a PCR/DNA test is ONLY an AIDS/HIV test...

Well then, I'd say you've got some real issues.

As for Gen's comments about my wife and I...

Darling...are we ever going to resolve this?

We all know you're in love with me.

Why don't we get a big Vegas style boxing ring, put you and me and my wife in it, and let the fur fly.

We could sell out the cheap seats, ya know.

I'd put $200 on us wearing you out first.

It could be a 'fuck to the death' battle.

Of course, participation is limited to those who are actually able to pass a Full Panel Test.

Odds are only my wife and I could do that...

As for Chico-Wanker-Khan...

Why not try a new alias?

How about 'Really Short Asian Guy With Nasty Temper'?

I hear the crowd applauding.

As for Rob's comments...

I see you have a sense of humor.

Yes, it sure would be funny if you went to AIM with a case of 'The Outsider'. You made me laugh so hard I shot water out my nose, Rob. Thank you.

I think some of you on this board are just pissed at me because I got my way, and got the girl I'm crazy about to tell all of you 'no thanks'.

You all thought I was making it all up, which is rather funny, in hindsight.

Sorry I cost you all money, but hey, none of you told her the Truth.

I think most of this anger may be sore loser syndrome.

If you'd been honest with her upfront, she might still be working with you folks. Instead, you ended up confirming ALL OF THE STUFF I HAVE SAID HERE.

Now I'm not speculating.

Now I have PROOF.

There's a lot of people who read this board who aren't in Porn.

Let me tell you this...

There is two sides to this Porn story.

These people are telling you one side- how wonderful it all is- and I'm telling you both sides.

Luke Ford is, too.

Please remember this, dear newbies to Porn-

These people are selling products.

To sell the products, they battle to keep the Porn Myth Image from being tainted more than it is.

None of you out there in Idaho or Iowa or Nebraska want to know that those girls you're whacking off to got Herpes, or Gonnorea while making that wonderful work of art on your screen. They also don't want you to know that at the release party she went to, the owner of the company and the director of the video gave her her first lines of speed and coke in the back of some ugly 50 year old guy's car. It tends to make you uncomfortable.

What really makes them mad is that I'm here to point it out, and harp on it.

I'll say it again...

I have no problem with Porn at all.

I just hate the way it's made.

However, I am glad that Gen loves me.

It helps me sleep at night.

The Outsider

alrightman, just listen for a second... first this Chico is not Wanker... i know this for a fact as i have met him in person. and if it was Wanker isnt short... hes taller than me.
you are incredibly racist which makes me wonder a bit about your upbringing.

my next point is that your comment about is only HIV testing.... i get a ghonno/chlymidia test every month just like everyone else is required to. obviously you do not know much about what you are talking about. also as much as you think it could be so much safer... give some ideas, send them to sharon mitchell. i cant think of much we could do to make it safer. you say smae day testing... whos gonna pay for it, wait its not even possible... you would need a CDC type mobile lab and even most of those need time to grow cultures to confirm the presence of an illness... scientifically it is an impossible proposal. we stay as safe as possible. pure and simple.
and your stalking of gen seems much like a self deluded near psychopathic form of behaviour. exactly what i meant in my last post about how you fail to go about things properly.

Thanks Rob for informing The Outsider that I AM NOT WANKER. I am 6'1", 200lbs. and Latino.

If you really want to change things,DO something about it.Ranting on this board is'nt going to change anything.If you spent enough time and energy looking into avenues where you can be a POSITIVE influence,instead of complaining,
critizing, and whining-you might get something done.

As far as Gen,Rob,Lowdown etc.,you shouldn't talk shit about people you dont know.Gen is one one the sweetest people you WILL EVER MET-PERIOD.Rob is a cool,laid-back guy.Havent really got to know him well,but I can tell he's a good guy.

Its time to kill this thread and give it a rest.

If anyone is still listening, after all this ranting and raving.This point proving here, that point proving there.
there is one constant in all of this no "responsibility"
true Chasey is responsible for herself and herself only
but in an industry that is constantly under the radar you
should be looking out for each other than critiquing or pointing fingers at one another like school kids.In addition cause and effect are not payed attention to at all
in this industry. Your lifes work is gagging on a mans penis
etc., I dont care what anybody says not every girl is proud
like Jenna Jameson or Gen Padova to be a whore. You do that
kinda of work theres going to be emotional babbage ya damn right Imma smoke something! to erase that pain. As a woman
you want to get married and have kids, but the only guys that wanna talk to you 9 times out of ten want you to perform what you do in your movies. That is painful man for a women Jenna Jameson said it herself on E! on the howard Stern show (most of the porngirls hate themselves)"cause and
effect".So knowing this shit and knowing that they are an investment to a company hellwithout females there is no Porn
cause that is what it is about. Don't get it twisted if homosexuals were only doing Porn I have a hard time believing the vatican and right wingers would be making such abig deal about. So in essence if these girls are the
money makers then protect your investment, we see drug usage
in porn i.e. tiffany mynxs asswoman in wonderland opening scene we know drug usage exists and the porn industry is supposed to be about being open and real but it is not!
now I aint taking nobodys side I just call how I see it.
A girl is hooked on drugs and a ton of other problems is the perfect pornstar thus dont help the girl cause thats a
bonus for the industry. Of course with rare exception of
Nina Hartly, Jenna Jameson, Gen Padova, etc.,every othergirl
is fishbait we know it they know it so fuck it.

I forget who she is, but doing porn & doing drugs may be fucked up, but they are both personal choices. If somebody chooses to do one or both, it's their decsion. You can't stop anybody from flushing their life down the toilet. But not all porn stars are hooked on coke or come from broken families. At least they're not walking the streets getting beat-up by johns or pimps, but then again, that's not even a fair comparison. Anti-porn people want you to believe that porn=prostitution so that way the authorities can shut it all down.
Maybe you have to have some emotional baggage or psychological problems to even want to get involved with an industry that is obviously filled with too many scumbags as well as some genuienely nice people who too often get overlooked. Unless there's hard stats you're perpetuating a myth fostered by the anti-porn contigent. Why does a woman have to be wife or a mother to have any value in this world? Can't they be sexually active individuals without being tarnished as a whore? So the bitch likes to make money sucking cock or getting dicked up the ass everyday. Like that's any worse than slaving your life away being a housewife or working for Ronald Mcdonald or some other monolithic corporation as a cashier, a waitress, a teacher, a secretary, or a low-level manager or somebody's boss. WTF! I hate the predators in porn as much as anyone, but nobody is putting a gun to anybody's head as feminist cunts like Andrea Dworkin would have the world believe. Also, we live in a society where nobody wants to take any responsibility for their own actions anymore. Instead it's like: Let's sue the gun industry, cigarette makers, fast food joints, or whatever for our lack of self-control