I just cruised over to AVNonline and read the original story. It states that the shot went through 6 layers of 3/4" plywood, PLUS a floor joist. (This coming from Max). Well, I'm even a little more skeptical now. I'll have to redo what I did today, tomorrow with 6 layers of 3/4" plywood and a 2x12. (Even though Max said the floor joist was more than 2" thick - hah!). If a shotgun slug goes through that I'll be very, very surprised. I won't even bother with the buckshot based on what I saw today- I know it won't make it.