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#123846 - 10/13/05 06:49 PM
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AHAHAHA that pic is hilarious but anyone no why the fbi was at his place?
i use to not like max hardcore but ive realy goten into his videos latley, i do love the little schoolgirl look 
and yes that is an excellent idea Da Burglar
Edited by numbmind (10/13/05 06:50 PM)
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#123849 - 10/13/05 07:14 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 07/04/05
Posts: 1006
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http://www.maxhardcore.com/promo/ff04promo.wmv
After watching this clip, I wonder how Kami feels about all this 
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#123850 - 10/13/05 07:16 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 05/29/04
Posts: 764
Loc: Tralfamadore
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#123851 - 10/13/05 08:37 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/20/05
Posts: 9184
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That should be used as a Glory Hole in the next movie...I am not a fan of MAX at all, but as a Form of protest and demonstration against the Feds, I would buy the movie with this scene and watch some chick blow him through that exact hole .... 
Great idea DB!..... and the hole is just big enough to acomodate Max's tool. lol 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is Max wearing a Scarface shirt? Fuckin' hilarious. Holding up a shotgun blast while his clothes scream, "SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!"
Fuckin' Max 
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#123852 - 10/13/05 10:22 PM
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Registered: 02/04/05
Posts: 3499
Loc: The Dirty: 480
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but is Max wearing a Scarface shirt? Fuckin' hilarious. Holding up a shotgun blast while his clothes scream, "SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND!"
Fuckin' Max
This whole snafu incident and worsening FBI scene has just earned Max a spot on my "Death List". Ariana Jolie was a miss on that list, however.
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#123854 - 10/14/05 11:22 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
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That thin piece of plywood is supposed to be a piece of a floor in a multistory office building? I could see it if it was 3/4" plywood but for the life of me can't come up with a combination that would have that shit being the top layer of a floor system. The paint is easily explained because during construction the painter will often lay out trim and spray it on the floor before installation but if so, why is the wood splintered in the opposite direction, i.e., OUTwards.
Something smells funny here. I'd like to know what gauge shotgun this supposedly is and what load the Agent had in the gun so I can try to recreate it in my yard tomorrow.
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#123856 - 10/14/05 11:52 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 12/10/04
Posts: 261
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That thin piece of plywood is supposed to be a piece of a floor in a multistory office building? I could see it if it was 3/4" plywood but for the life of me can't come up with a combination that would have that shit being the top layer of a floor system. The paint is easily explained because during construction the painter will often lay out trim and spray it on the floor before installation but if so, why is the wood splintered in the opposite direction, i.e., OUTwards.
Something smells funny here. I'd like to know what gauge shotgun this supposedly is and what load the Agent had in the gun so I can try to recreate it in my yard tomorrow.
I agree that something smells here. Most commercial multi floor buildings cannot use plywood on the floor because the firecode will not allow it.
Say what you want about the FBI but they do not accidently discharge weapons willy nilly. They know what they are shooting at and what's behind it. Local cops screw up all the time but training programs for the FBI are extensive.
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#123858 - 10/15/05 12:04 AM
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Porn Jesus
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That thin piece of plywood is supposed to be a piece of a floor in a multistory office building? I could see it if it was 3/4" plywood but for the life of me can't come up with a combination that would have that shit being the top layer of a floor system. The paint is easily explained because during construction the painter will often lay out trim and spray it on the floor before installation but if so, why is the wood splintered in the opposite direction, i.e., OUTwards.
Something smells funny here. I'd like to know what gauge shotgun this supposedly is and what load the Agent had in the gun so I can try to recreate it in my yard tomorrow.
I agree that something smells here. Most commercial multi floor buildings cannot use plywood on the floor because the firecode will not allow it.
Say what you want about the FBI but they do not accidently discharge weapons willy nilly. They know what they are shooting at and what's behind it. Local cops screw up all the time but training programs for the FBI are extensive.
I'm no fan of the feebees but this reeks in a lot of ways. Please Mr. South Jr. rejoin this thread and answer a few questions. I'm sure Max won't answer.
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#123861 - 10/15/05 08:49 AM
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Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 04/16/04
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Loc: On the Mia Rose bandwagon
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OK, judging from the rest of the pic, that doesn't look like a high tech office building. Notice the wood paneling on the wall and that fucked up vent thing above the door.
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#123862 - 10/15/05 08:51 AM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 09/19/04
Posts: 41
Loc: NJ (peoples republic of)
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As best as I can tell by this picture, the accidental discharge story is bullshit. The FBI issues as standard Mossberg 590A 12 Ga shotgun with 18 1/2" barrel length. There may be some Remmington 870M or even a few model 12's around but the key here is barrel length, all of which are NO LESS THAN 18 1/2" Standard ammunition for these weapons is #00 buck shot, 3" magnum load, consisting of 9 .177 dia lead pellets with associated wadding. Situational discretion of the agent will allow him/her to alter the load ie; beanbag, #6 shot,or even a 12 ga slug. Since non-lethal loads are generally used for crowd control situations, and most likely will not penetrate a plywood sheet unless at very close range, and slugs are used when the possibility of "protected resistance applying reciprocal force exists" (FBI TACTICAL ENTRY AND APPREHENSION T.E.A.) the most likely load here was buckshot. In any of the above however, unless the agent was standing on a platform elevated at least 8' off the floor surface of impact, THERE WOULD EXIST A WELL PRONOUNCED "RING" OF POWDER BURN WADDING MATERIAL AND UNBURNED POWDER RESIDUE AROUND THE GLORY HOLE. A slug even at an extreme angle would not have produced a hole like this, nor would a std buckshot load. The agent, in order to shoot the floor would have had to be holding the shotgun at point down (along the leg) or some other modified downward potion. In a low risk entry such as Max's studio the shotgun was most likely very casually held at port arms or rest (muzzle pointed down and to the front). In any event, "ANY DISCHARGE OF A WEAPON MUST BE REPORTED TO THE FIELD SUPERVISOR WHO WILL ENTER SUCH INTO RECORD" (FBI FIELD TRAINING MANUAL), Im sure Max or his mouthpieces will be able to obtain the documentation to prove this scenario. So while I Sympathize with Max and anyone else who is bothered by these religious zealots, lets all be true in our presentation of facts. In order to keep in the context of this forum I will publish pictures of 12 ga shotgun discharges at varying angles to 1/2" interior grade plywood with varying ammunition, and I will GLORYHOLE a slut sucking my cock through such plywood (if my dick can fit through the hole). If I get splinters I will hold the moderators of this forum responsible and demand as restitution on of Max's sluts to degrade, debase, cum on, piss on and otherwise defile according to the protocols of the Industry. VTY chiXter 
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#123864 - 10/15/05 10:10 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/20/05
Posts: 9184
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...that fucked up vent thing above the door.
It's called a CLOCK!
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#123865 - 10/15/05 11:27 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
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In order to keep in the context of this forum I will publish pictures of 12 ga shotgun discharges at varying angles to 1/2" interior grade plywood with varying ammunition, chiXter
I'm going to do the same thing sometime today or tomorrow. I don't have any slugs here at home so I'll have to pick up a box of them when I get into town, but I have everything else.
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#123866 - 10/15/05 11:53 AM
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Porn Jesus
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Say what you want about the FBI but they do not accidently discharge weapons willy nilly. They know what they are shooting at and what's behind it. Local cops screw up all the time but training programs for the FBI are extensive.
That may be true, but if the FBI's training program is anything similar to the DEA's, then I point you to the much posted video clip of the DEA agent giving an anti-drug speech in some classroom filled with kids who accidentally shoots himself in the foot while explaing why only professionals should handle weapons.
I'm not sure, but the above may be my best run-on sentence to date. Fuck I'm proud.
I don't have the link, but I'm sure someone remembers and has or feels like looking up the link.
Fuck the feds. They suck anus.
I got it.
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#123867 - 10/15/05 05:54 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 07/21/04
Posts: 92
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THERE WOULD EXIST A WELL PRONOUNCED "RING" OF POWDER BURN WADDING MATERIAL AND UNBURNED POWDER RESIDUE AROUND THE GLORY HOLE.
No one except the Bush administration could create a situation where I end up defending Max Hardcore. 
The plywood is subflooring. At a minimum, there was carpet above it. The powder marks would have ended up on the flooring material above the subflooring.
When Max was quoted in AdultFYI, he said several times that the raid was at his house, so office building codes don't apply. I don't know what the building codes are in CA, but plywood that thin isn't uncommon in residential subflooring.
I don't care how well trained the FBI agents are, they're human. The idea that all agents will follow the rule book all the time under all conditions is ridiculous. Somebody got bored, started playing with his shotgun, flipped the safety off, on, off again, tugged on the trigger....boom.
If you're going to test Max's story by discharging a shotgun through plywood, remember to find out what the upper layer of Max's flooring is and put a layer of that over the plywood before firing. Otherwise, you won't be reproducing the conditions under which the shotgun was fired. Also, if you're standing that close to the surface the buckshot strikes, what are the odds of any of those little pellets ricocheting? Do you think you may want goggles? I don't know. It's been years since I fired a shotgun.
Edited by Ren Galskap (10/15/05 06:07 PM)
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#123868 - 10/16/05 07:36 AM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
Registered: 08/10/05
Posts: 42
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http://www.maxhardcore.com/promo/ff04promo.wmv
After watching this clip, I wonder how Kami feels about all this
That's a great clip, why we love Max movies. 
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#123870 - 10/16/05 09:08 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/20/05
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I got it.
Ahh cool, thanks.
Is it on that site? You may have to search the site for it.
It just redirects you to the home page. I tried cutting and pasting, but same thing.
Hmmm...it worked before, try this one: http://www.compfused.com/directlink/680/
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#123872 - 10/16/05 02:11 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
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I just cruised over to AVNonline and read the original story. It states that the shot went through 6 layers of 3/4" plywood, PLUS a floor joist. (This coming from Max). Well, I'm even a little more skeptical now. I'll have to redo what I did today, tomorrow with 6 layers of 3/4" plywood and a 2x12. (Even though Max said the floor joist was more than 2" thick - hah!). If a shotgun slug goes through that I'll be very, very surprised. I won't even bother with the buckshot based on what I saw today- I know it won't make it.
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#123874 - 10/16/05 05:09 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 07/21/04
Posts: 92
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I just cruised over to AVNonline and read the original story. It states that the shot went through 6 layers of 3/4" plywood, PLUS a floor joist. (This coming from Max). Well, I'm even a little more skeptical now. I'll have to redo what I did today, tomorrow with 6 layers of 3/4" plywood and a 2x12.
I just looked at two different sheets of 3/4" plywood. One had five layers of wood and the other had six. You think maybe Max was referring to the layers of wood in the plywood?
I don't think Max is trying to say that he's got 4 1/2 inches of plywood for subflooring in his house. If you need more than 3/4" of plywood, you need more than 2x6 for floor joists. A single sheet of plywood will support anything standard floor joists will support.
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#123875 - 10/16/05 05:26 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
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Ren, go read the article. He specifically says "six layers of 3/4" plywood, plus a floor joist over 2" thick". Not exactly in those words but close enough. He did not say "one layer of 3/4", 6-ply plywood". Besides, it wouldn't make much difference. Just for shits and grins I'll also do the 6-ply plus a standard 2x12 floor joist. I'll be surprised if a slug goes through that, either.
My pics will be out later- if not elsewhere, then here.
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#123876 - 10/16/05 10:14 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 07/21/04
Posts: 92
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Ren, go read the article. He specifically says "six layers of 3/4" plywood, plus a floor joist over 2" thick". Not exactly in those words but close enough. He did not say "one layer of 3/4", 6-ply plywood". Besides, it wouldn't make much difference. Just for shits and grins I'll also do the 6-ply plus a standard 2x12 floor joist. I'll be surprised if a slug goes through that, either.
My pics will be out later- if not elsewhere, then here.
I've read the article. We're not disagreeing on what he said, we're disagreeing on how to interpret it. Six sheets of 3/4" plywood makes no sense. No builder in his right mind would stack plywood 6 sheets thick on top of 2x6 floor joists. There's no way to justify the cost. Max has a reputation for being mean, but not for being stupid enough to claim that the plywood in his floor is six sheets thick.
However, it's pretty obvious that Max is milking this for as much publicity as possible. Most people would be satisfied to say that the FBI discharged a shotgun into the floor. Max has himself photographed with a piece of plywood with circles and arrows so no one misses the buchshot hole. You and I have already given him enough extra publicity. I've made my point, so I'll drop out now.
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#123877 - 10/17/05 03:03 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 04/16/03
Posts: 72
Loc: Los Angeles
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Well it seems we got a real Sherlock Holmes here on the board. I don't know what kind of pipe he's been smoking, but maybe he should consider another blend of whatever it is he puts in it. A stupid FBI agent shot a hole in my fucking floor, while my housekeeper and handyman were here to hear the blast, and see one of their agents come running and hyperventilating down the stairs. By the way, this shot was taken at World Modeling by Jim South Jr.
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#123878 - 10/17/05 04:00 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
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Well it seems we got a real Sherlock Holmes here on the board. I don't know what kind of pipe he's been smoking, but maybe he should consider another blend of whatever it is he puts in it.
Good one dude, I'll take that advice to heart.
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A stupid FBI agent shot a hole in my fucking floor, while my housekeeper and handyman were here to hear the blast, and see one of their agents come running and hyperventilating down the stairs.
Just clarify what you said to AVN, Sport: did this shotgun really go through six layers of 3/4" plywood plus a floor joist over 2" thick, narrowly missing your slacker, late to work editors desk?
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#123879 - 10/17/05 09:43 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 10/14/05
Posts: 53
Loc: Mayhem is a proxy server away!
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Well it seems we got a real Sherlock Holmes here on the board. I don't know what kind of pipe he's been smoking, but maybe he should consider another blend of whatever it is he puts in it. A stupid FBI agent shot a hole in my fucking floor, while my housekeeper and handyman were here to hear the blast, and see one of their agents come running and hyperventilating down the stairs. By the way, this shot was taken at World Modeling by Jim South Jr.
Max
You disgusting smutpeddler! The way you sodomize, facialize, and piss on vulnerable and naive womyn makes me wish that the next "accidental" FBI discharge happens when the shotgun is jammed inside your rectum.
Why can't you make sensitive and non-masculine porn, like Tony Comstock? He does a great job of sucking the week-old dog semen out of my colon. I love him!
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#123881 - 10/17/05 10:38 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/17/04
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that's because he killed a girl and belongs in jail. monkey said so.
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#123883 - 10/18/05 09:43 AM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 02/23/05
Posts: 3724
Loc: Paddling my canoe in the wild
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he only killed her future - not the same thing
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#123884 - 10/18/05 03:17 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 09/13/05
Posts: 1594
Loc: The "Phlogbox", apparently.
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he only kileld her future - not the same thing
Ahh.. a "symbolic" coke bottle violation. Gotcha.
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#123886 - 10/23/05 07:03 AM
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Stormy's Lawyer
Registered: 10/17/05
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This is a little troubling... ...especially because the Nowthatsfuckedup.com site was an embarassment to the Bush administration because soldiers were posting pictures of attrocities in Iraq... ...could this all be a ploy??? (Midori, deSade and other sites already taken down...) Am I the only one who hasn't read about this??? - Ivy
Some Members of BDSM Community Self-Censoring, Citing Obscenity Prosecution Fears
by Connor Young
http://www.ynot.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=profile&mode=viewprofile&u=
Obscenity Issues / News: Law and Politics
Date: Oct 12, 2005 - 09:59 AM
CYBERSPACE - The owner of three BDSM websites, known in the BDSM community as GrandPa DeSade, announced today that he would be removing his websites from the internet out of fear of a possible obscenity crackdown by the federal government. The move comes after other BDSM sites have also removed content from the internet, lending additional credibility to arguments that federal obscenity attacks lead to an unwarranted chilling effect on what should be protected speech.
“With a heavy heart, we make the following announcement,†read a statement written by DeSade and obtained by YNOT. “Our three sites, www houseofdesade.org, www.grandpadesade.com, and www.realbdsm.com are all going away. The current politics makes it too risky. The FBI is setting up a special task force to find and prosecute what they see as porn sites. One of the criteria for porn prosecution is if the site promotes or features S&M. If convicted they can confiscate anything involved and throw the owners in jail. Even if not convicted, or the conviction overturned, the process would financially break us.â€
The statement underlines one of the primary problems with obscenity laws and their rigorous enforcement; although adult content is often, in theory, protected by the First Amendment, the ultimate decision of whether a work is obscene or not can only be determined by a jury that has applied a complex and highly subjective set of standards known as the Miller Test. If a website decides to defend itself in court from charges of obscenity, the experience would likely cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees – none of which the webmaster gets back if he/she prevails in court. Few webmasters have the financial means to mount such a defense. Obscenity cases can also drag on for years, leaving the webmaster uncertain about his or her fate for many sleepless nights. All of this means that federal obscenity efforts often result in a powerful chilling effect on what might otherwise be protected speech – as seen by the announcement from DeSade.
According to DeSade, the threat of an obscenity indictment is too much to risk, even though he feels the First Amendment should protect his websites. In addition to removing his own websites, he will also stop his hosting services for other S&M websites.
“We will also be sending individual e-mails to any sites we are hosting on our server that have S&M as their subjects, giving them until the end of the month to move their sites to another server. At that time we will be discontinuing any hosting of S&M based sites,†the announcement continued. “Given those criteria, we feel we have no choice but to follow the example of Midori and others in taking our sites down. Our sites will return if and when the current attitudes change again to reflect the average citizen’s viewpoint [about] freedom of speech.â€
Midori, referred to in DeSade’s statement, is a fetish model and former professional domme who now teaches classes on rope bondage and other forms of BDSM. Midori previously removed her own website, BeautyBound.com, citing the same fear of an obscenity crackdown.
Additionally, popular goth/porn website SuicideGirls.com recently made headlines when a model posted concern over a possible obscenity crackdown, and announced that the company had decided to self-censor some of its materials.
“While we do not believe any of our images are illegal, SG has removed a number of images in order to ensure that we are not targeted by the U.S. Government's new ‘War on Porn,’†the statement read. “We have received no formal government notice to remove these images, however, in the course of our involvement, as witnesses, in a federal criminal prosecution that does not target SG, we have been made aware of the risks posting such content poses the owners of the company. Given the U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' new war on porn task force and it's intent to bring obscenity charges against their loosely defined "Deviant" imagery, we have removed any images with fake blood and any images we felt could be wrongfully construed as sadist or masochist. Given the natural disasters in Louisiana and Texas, the U.S. Government's numerous foreign war's and the growing U.S. deficit, we feel there are far better uses of government resources then pursuing the legality of imagery created by consenting adults, but as is usually the case, our opinions are not shared by the Current U.S. Administration. Also, we really miss Bill Clinton.â€
Some argue that the fetish community is at special risk in any “anti-obscenity†effort since its products are meant to appeal not to the average person, but to a specialized interest group. Obscenity laws focus on language such as “community standards†and “average person†when determining what is and what is not protected speech. That means sexuality groups with specialized interests not easily understood by the mainstream population can find themselves at an especially high risk of persecution. Additionally, federal sentancing guidelines state that any obscenty-related punishment should be "enhanced for sado masochistic material," meaning the possibility of longer prison terms for BDSM webmasters convicted of obscenity.
Fetish photographer Barbara Nitke and the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom (NCSF) previously challenged federal obscenity laws as applied to the internet, arguing unsuccessfully that obscenity laws are too vague and their existence is an unjustified burden on protected speech, resulting in unwarranted self-censorship due to the fear of prosecution. A district court thee judge panel ruled that while Nitke and the NCSF were probably right, they failed to provide the necessary proof in court that obscenity laws would cause otherwise protected speech to be restrained through acts of self-censorship. The case is currently on appeal to the United States Supreme Court.
According to attorney John Wirenius, lead counsel for the NCSF, recent acts of self-censorship by the fetish community, such as the decision by DeSade and others to remove websites from the internet, underscore the importance of his organization’s ongoing obscenity law challenge.
“The effect of silencing alternative lifestyle speech was exactly why we brought the lawsuit, and the result we feared if we were not successful. Frankly the chickens are coming home to roost,†Wirenius told YNOT on Wednesday.
Wirenius also pointed to a recent Washington Post story, where it was revealed that the Justice Department was encouraging FBI officials to look at S&M content as one possible avenue for winning obscenity convictions. "Based on a review of past successful cases in a variety of jurisdictions," the Justice Department memo said, the best way to win an obscenity conviction would be to target material that "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior." That story has caused considerable concern in the BDSM online community, as witnessed by the actions of DeSade, Midori, and Suicide Girls.
Last week, adult actor and producer Max Hardcore was raided by the FBI over charges of obscenity. Max Hardcore is known for his often violent brand of porn, although his specific style seems to exist somewhere outside of the established BDSM community. Just Friday, an erotic stories website, Red Rose Stories, was also raided by the FBI, apparently over obscenity. Additionally, webmaster Chris Wilson, owner of amateur website NowThatsFuckedUp.com, was raided Friday on charges of obscenity, although in Wilson’s case no federal authorities were known to be involved, and the raid was carried out by a local Sheriff’s office with a history of being hostile towards adult entertainment.
Even with all this bad news, to this point there have been no federal raids specifically against owners or operators of BDSM websites. According to attorney Jeffrey Douglas, who represents Max Hardcore, there are plenty of reasons why BDSM website owners shouldn’t let irrational fear get the better of their judgment.
“While it's certainly understandable that, because the government has tried to create a climate of fear, it's understandable that people are reacting by self censoring, even to the extreme of pulling down all of their content,†Douglas told YNOT. “However, I think that the risk is not as great as people fear. The history of federal prosecutions in the past suggests that the government hasn't got a particular interest in targeting BDSM material, except when they're in a position to argue [that] the participants are being permanently injured, limbs broken.â€
â€Despite the execution of the search warrant in Florida and California, there's still no indication of a national effort to broadly attack consensual materials by and for adults. It's certainly noteworthy that the two traditional producers of sexually explicit mater that have been targeted, Extreme Associates and Max Hardcore, that both of these companies’ content is regarded as being on the cutting edge. I question whether they would go after BDSM. I do not believe that there is greater vulnerability today than there has been in the previous five years.â€
Douglas, who is also Chairman of the Free Speech Coalition, sees a possible problem for the Bush Administration if it pushes too hard against adult entertainment.
“A colleague of mine believes that this administration is fearful of alienating the so-called ‘NASCAR dad’ who is generally conservative but who appreciates a good fuck film, and that may be a significant factor,†Douglas said. “While it's a fearful time because there are scoundrels in the Department of Justice, this is not a time to be most fearful.â€
Asked about the Washington Post story, which disclosed the DOJ memo that specifically mentioned S&M, Douglas pointed out that self-censorship is likely one of the aims of the DOJ.
“I'm not suggesting that [the memo] is not a legitimate concern, I'm just saying that the government is extremely aware of its power to encourage self-censorship, and they go out of their way to do that, and I believe references to specific content is designed to do that.â€
Douglas added that there are special considerations that come into play when the government chooses to target specialized content like BDSM. According to Douglas, if the judge in such a case follows the rules and issues the proper instructions, the jury would be asked to consider not the standards of the average person of the community, but the standard of the average person from the community which the material was targeted at – in this case, the BDSM community, which is unlikely to take offense at adult content. Nonetheless, Douglas admitted that there is always a concern that a judge will simply ignore the expected rules, or otherwise fail to properly inform the jury as to how they should consider the charges in front of them.
With few hard facts to be found and so much room for speculation about the intentions of the federal government, the industry may just find itself in another "wait and see" position over obscenity, just as it is with § 2257 record-keeping laws. At this point, the only thing that is certain is uncertainly itself, which seems to be the most damaging impact of the current climate of fear.
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Pauline Reage meets Martha Stewart.
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