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#121335 - 09/30/05 10:37 AM
Bill Bennett: Pariah
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Congressional Democrats blasted former Education Secretary William Bennett on Thursday for saying that aborting "every black baby in this country" would reduce the crime rate, and demanded their Republican counterparts do the same.
"This is precisely the kind of insensitive, hurtful and ignorant rhetoric that Americans have grown tired of," said Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Illinois.
White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan told reporters on Friday that President Bush "believes the comments were not appropriate."
Bennett, who held prominent posts in the administrations of former presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, told a caller to his syndicated radio talk show Wednesday: "If you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down.
"That would be an impossibly ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down," he said.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-California, had called on President Bush to condemn the comments by Bennett, who was anti-drug chief in Bush's father's administration.
"What could possibly have possessed Secretary Bennett to say those words, especially at this time?" Pelosi asked. "What could he possibly have been thinking? This is what is so alarming about his words."
Bennett stood by his comments Thursday night.
"I was putting forward a hypothetical proposition. Put that forward. Examined it. And then said about it that it's morally reprehensible. To recommend abortion of an entire group of people in order to lower your crime rate is morally reprehensible. But this is what happens when you argue that the ends can justify the means," he told CNN.
"I'm not racist, and I'll put my record up against theirs," referring to Pelosi and other critics. "I've been a champion of the real civil rights issue of our times -- equal educational opportunities for kids."
"We've got to have candor and talk about these things while we reject wild hypotheses," Bennett said.
"I don't think people have the right to be angry, if they look at the whole thing. But if they get a selective part of my comment, I can see why they would be angry. If somebody thought I was advocating that, they ought to be angry. I would be angry."
"But that's not what I advocate."
Asked if he owed people an apology, Bennett replied, "I don't think I do. I think people who misrepresented my view owe me an apology."
Bennett served as Reagan's chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities from 1981-1985 and secretary of education from 1985-1988. From 1989-1990, he served as "drug czar" in the administration of the elder Bush.
Rush called on "my friends, the responsible Republicans" to rebuke the former Cabinet official by backing a House resolution condemning his remarks as "outrageous racism of the most bigoted and ignorant kind."
"Where is the indignation from the GOP, as one of their prominent members talk about aborting an entire race of Americans as a way of ridding this country of crime?" asked Rush, a former Black Panther. "How ridiculous! How asinine! How insane can one be?"
He called instead for "aborting" Republican policies "which have hurt the disadvantaged, the poor, average Americans for the benefit of large corporations."
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid said he was "appalled" by Bennett's remarks.
"The Republican Party has recently taken great pains to reach out to the African-American community, and I hope that they will be swift in condemning Mr. Bennett's comments as nothing short of callous and ignorant," said Reid, D-Nevada.
And Bruce Gordon, president and CEO of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, demanded an apology from Bennett and the Salem Radio Network, which airs his radio program.
"In 2005, there is no place for the kind of racist statement made by Bennett," Gordon said in a written statement. "While the entire nation is trying to help survivors, black and white, to recover from the damage caused by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, it is unconscionable for Bennett to make such ignorant and insensitive comments."
A man who answered the phone at the network said no one would be available to comment until Friday.
Bennett's 1993 repackaging of traditional morality tales, "The Book of Virtues," became a bestseller, and Bennett became a popular lecturer on moral issues. But in 2003, stung by news reports that he had lost millions of dollars in Las Vegas and Atlantic City over the last decade, he publicly renounced gambling and vowed to stay away from the slots from then on.
He is a Fox News contributor and chairman of "Americans for Victory over Terrorism," which his Web site calls "a project dedicated to sustaining and strengthening public opinion as the war on terrorism moves forward
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#121337 - 09/30/05 04:14 PM
Re: Bill Bennett: Pariah
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Registered: 09/13/05
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From the liberal mediamatters.org: Quote:
BENNETT: Well, I don't think it is either, I don't think it is either, because first of all, there is just too much that you don't know. But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.
The view that aborting Black babies would be "ridiculous and morally reprehensible" seems to be a strongly anti-racist statement to me. I wonder how many news outlets will be showing the inflammatory quote in full context?
This controversy strikes me as phony and unwarranted as the Washington DC politico fired for using the word "niggardly".
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#121340 - 10/01/05 02:42 PM
Re: Bill Bennett: Pariah
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In my opinion, its the fact that Bill Bennett has a long history of behaving like a complete hypocrite nutjob that makes the public so quick to cut him down. I mean, he says that he qualified the statement (which he did), but we're inclined to believe that he actually meant it because of who it was that said it. How the man still finds himself in the public eye is beyond me, for any media outlet with half a brain knows that he's a lightning rod for extremism and hypocirisy and one rusty screw away from becoming completely unhinged.
This guy has accrued some seriously bad karma and I have no doubt he'll be reborn the daughter of a meth-head in Canoga Park and grow up aspiring to be throat-fucked, head-UPSIDEDOWN on film. That's all I gotta say about that.
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#121342 - 10/01/05 07:18 PM
Re: Bill Bennett: Pariah
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whatever the case the flash cut to the democrat on the stand saying "dis be redic ooh russ" was priceless.
and if the DNP has to sensationalize whatever any repulicans say to sway pulic opinion and win the next election i am behind it 100000000 percent
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#121343 - 10/01/05 08:43 PM
What's wrong with the truth?
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Registered: 01/02/04
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People don't like this shit because it's true. The black community doesn't like it because it makes people examine crime in America ***AND*** it forces the black community to examine itself.
This is what I have to say - and you guys can call me a racist freak if you want - but here goes...
The black community has squandered the advancement of equality that was earned by the blood of the people that fought racial injustice up until the late 70's by sitting back and making excuses for themselves, letting their community degrade into chaos and taking absolutely no responsibility for themselves or their families.
The black community needs to remember the people that took a bullet, got lynched, got hosed or attacked by dogs to make a better world for their kids. What did they do? Fucked off, quit school, fucked up their neighborhoods and blamed someone else.
The government can pump as much welfare into the system, but it wont do any good. If the black community wants people to stop saying shit like 'abort all black babies to reduce crime' then they should take the initiative and do something to change their community like build a stronger family unit, take pride in their community, work hard to get an education, work hard on the job, save money, teach their children respect and assimiliate into Americana.
AMEN!
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#121344 - 10/01/05 09:57 PM
Re: What's wrong with the truth?
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Good points all, X, good points. I just think Bill Bennett might be amongst the worst choices to say anything about anything anymore. In other words, its unfortunate that such a vital message had to be conveyed by this shithead, resulting in a misfire that probably just deepened the quicksand of self-loathing and defeatism in black America that much more.
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#121345 - 10/01/05 10:01 PM
Re: What's wrong with the truth?
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Well, nobody seems to listen to Bill Cosby so....
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#121346 - 10/02/05 12:04 AM
Re: What's wrong with the truth?
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Human Garbage
Registered: 09/13/05
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50 percent drop out rate, I’m telling you, and people in jail, and women having children by five, six different men. Under what excuse? I want somebody to love me. And as soon as you have it, you forget to parent. Grandmother, mother, and great grandmother in the same room, raising children, and the child knows nothing about love or respect of any one of the three of them. All this child knows is “gimme, gimme, gimme.†These people want to buy the friendship of a child, and the child couldn’t care less. Those of us sitting out here who have gone on to some college or whatever we’ve done, we still fear our parents. And these people are not parenting. They’re buying things for the kid -- $500 sneakers -- for what? They won’t buy or spend $250 on Hooked on Phonics.
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Ladies and gentlemen, listen to these people. They are showing you what’s wrong. People putting their clothes on backwards. Isn’t that a sign of something going on wrong? Are you not paying attention? People with their hat on backwards, pants down around the crack. Isn’t that a sign of something or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up? Isn’t it a sign of something when she’s got her dress all the way up to the crack -- and got all kinds of needles and things going through her body. What part of Africa did this come from? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a damned thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Shaligua, Mohammed and all that crap and all of them are in jail.
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Brown versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person’s problem. We’ve got to take the neighborhood back. We’ve got to go in there. Just forget telling your child to go to the Peace Corps. It’s right around the corner. It’s standing on the corner. It can’t speak English. It doesn’t want to speak English. I can’t even talk the way these people talk. “Why you ain’t where you is go, ra.†I don’t know who these people are. And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. Then I heard the father talk. This is all in the house. You used to talk a certain way on the corner and you got into the house and switched to English. Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t land a plane with, “Why you ain’t…†You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. There is no Bible that has that kind of language. Where did these people get the idea that they’re moving ahead on this. Well, they know they’re not; they’re just hanging out in the same place, five or six generations sitting in the projects when you’re just supposed to stay there long enough to get a job and move out.
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Five or six different children -- same woman, eight, ten different husbands or whatever. Pretty soon you’re going to have to have DNA cards so you can tell who you’re making love to. You don’t who this is. It might be your grandmother. I’m telling you, they’re young enough. Hey, you have a baby when you’re twelve. Your baby turns thirteen and has a baby, how old are you? Huh? Grandmother. By the time you’re twelve, you could have sex with your grandmother, you keep those numbers coming. I’m just predicting.
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What is it with young girls getting after some girl who wants to still remain a virgin. Who are these sick black people and where did they come from and why haven’t they been parented to shut up? To go up to girls and try to get a club where “you are nobody....†This is a sickness, ladies and gentlemen, and we are not paying attention to these children. These are children. They don’t know anything. They don’t have anything. They’re homeless people. All they know how to do is beg. And you give it to them, trying to win their friendship. And what are they good for? And then they stand there in an orange suit and you drop to your knees: “He didn’t do anything. He didn’t do anything.†Yes, he did do it. And you need to have an orange suit on, too.
Now, my remark: Doesn't Jesse look angry and confused, knowing he can't rebut such common sense from Cosby by screaming "racism"?
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#121349 - 10/02/05 06:23 PM
Re: What's wrong with the truth?
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Registered: 11/09/04
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Of course Cosby is right! And a great post by Xvod too!
Problem is that with no-one willing to FACE THESE FACTS in this country things are only going to get worse.
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#121350 - 10/02/05 08:02 PM
Re: What's wrong with the truth?
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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I blame piss poor black leadership and bill cosby is part of that leadership.
White leadership really sucks too.
All the points he mentions are starting to happen in the white community. Give it another 30 years and the whole country will be in the crapper.
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#121353 - 10/03/05 07:55 AM
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Ugly, you intrigue me. I can see what you're saying about blacks, whites, and America going to the crapper. But, what does a man like yourself who seems to have such high standards and taste consider worthwhile or valuable?
Valuable = health, Children, puppies, Women who age well and aren't junkies or emotional disasters, Cigars, Honesty, motorcycles and the new ford mustang v8 convertible.
Worthwhile = education, health, roads, sensible energy and trade policies, Stopping PETA, Stoping Nut case liberals and nut case conservatives, Fighting evil, beating up liars and invading Venezuela.
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#121354 - 10/03/05 10:32 AM
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No way on the Venezuala invasion- I am against invading or helping any more of these places UNLESS we actually do steal their resources for our own. If we are just going to invade to depose a dictator screw that- I want their oil and all their pleasant looking women for America. Where the hell is all the oil we were supposed to steal from Iraq?
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#121355 - 10/03/05 01:49 PM
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i think bush is holding it all out, squeezing every last penny out of americans for oil, then, when enough people cry, hell take the oil from iraq stating hes just doing what the people want . all this of course as he makes his cut off everything. 
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#121359 - 10/04/05 01:00 AM
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 01/02/04
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I blame piss poor black leadership and bill cosby is part of that leadership.
Are you kidding me??? Cosby is the man! He is the only high-profile black willing to say what needs to be said. The only problem is the black community doesn't want to hear it because it's easier for them to listen to Jesse Jackson (see dancing devil --->)  blame whites instead.
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#121360 - 10/04/05 02:37 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 12/10/04
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He is part of the problem. Not the solution.
Look at his history. Just because he finally got cranky and said something 30 years too late does not impress me.
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#121361 - 10/04/05 03:01 AM
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Human Garbage
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He is part of the problem. Not the solution.
Look at his history. Just because he finally got cranky and said something 30 years too late does not impress me.
Bill Cosby is a mixed bag, for sure. However, I think his life has to be looked at in two phases: before and after the murder of his son Ennis. Before Ennis was killed, he was an aggrieved "activist" type, known for stating paranoid nonsense, such as the belief the government created AIDS to kill Black people. After Ennis, he got on board with personal responsibility, rather than misguided rage.
A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, after all - so imagine the changes a murdered son brings. Either way, Cosby's quotes are dead accurate.
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#121363 - 10/04/05 06:28 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 12/10/04
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I can't debate the accuracy of his recent statements and I think that is what makes me sad. It should never have been allowed to go this far. That is why I blame the black leadership. Leaders should warn us when the cliff is near not after we go over it. 
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#121366 - 10/09/05 07:58 PM
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thirty posts and not one reference to levitt and donahue? harvard quarterly journal of economics, may 2001 boys, c'mon.
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