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#121274 - 09/29/05 04:42 PM Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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Marine officers are taught to think ahead. So Josh Rushing, a captain in the Corps until last October, anticipated the unpleasant questions.


Is he a modern-day Tokyo Rose, the nickname GIs in World War II gave to the womenthey heard on Japanese radio trying to turn them against America? Is he a propagandist set to tear down the country he once served? A collaborator aiding the enemy?


Rushing, 33, has taken a job reporting for a new channel for Al-Jazeera. That's the Qatar-based network that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said is "perfectly willing to lie to the world" and has "a pattern of playing propaganda over and over and over again" for its 50 million viewers, most of them in the Arab world.


Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly branded it a "propaganda network ... bent on encouraging violence and sympathetic to terrorists." And Iraq's new government temporarily closed the network's offices in Baghdad, saying that Al-Jazeera incites insurgents by showing video of attacks and statements from Osama bin Laden and his deputies.


But Rushing, who will appear on a global, English-language news channel the network hopes to start by spring, considers his decision to work for Al-Jazeera noble, not seditious. "I've given my entire adult life to the health and well-being of this nation," Rushing says. "I wouldn't do anything to threaten that.


"What the Marines trained me to do was to represent the best of what America stands for to a foreign audience. That's exactly what I'm going to do."


The network, heavily subsidized by the emir of Qatar, says it presents news from all sides in a part of the world in which most Arab media outlets are government mouthpieces.


Rushing views Al-Jazeera's English-language channel as a forum for reaching millions of Muslims, many of whom may not understand the America he knows, and for reaching millions who he thinks know little about the Muslim world, including Americans.


"The gravity of it sets in all the time," he says during an interview in the dining room at the private Army and Navy Club, two blocks from the White House. "It puts me where the good fight is — at a station that's going to bridge America and the rest of the world."


Not everyone agrees with his reasoning. "I don't see how in good conscience he can work for Al-Jazeera," says Cliff Kincaid, editor of the conservative Accuracy in Media Report. "It incites Arabs and Muslims to kill Americans."


Another former Marine also is concerned. "I wish I could count on him to further our efforts" in the war on terrorism "rather than hinder them," says Keith Delp of Louisville. He spent five years in the Marines, leaving as a corporal in March 2004 after a seven-month tour in Iraq. Delp writes the weblog Kadnine. In an e-mail, Delp says he will "be watching Josh closely."


So will others, says the author of a book about the network.


"Al-Jazeera has been judged already and found guilty already in the eyes of most Americans and particularly the (Bush) administration," says Hugh Miles, a British freelance journalist and the author of Al-Jazeera: The Inside Story of the Arab News Channel That Is Challenging the West. "Many people will see Josh Rushing as collaborating with an enemy propaganda outfit."


Rushing's response to such criticism: "I believe in America so dearly and the values that it stands for that I'm in no way threatened by the kind of information this station's going to put out. ...


"Besides," he explains, "once a Marine, always a Marine."


How Rushing, a self-described "blue-eyed, American son from Texas," has wound up working for Al-Jazeera is something of an only-in-America tale.


Rushing grew up in Lewisville, Texas, just north of Dallas. He played high school football until he hurt his wrist and led what he calls "a normal suburban life." At 18, he enlisted in the Marine Corps. His rationale? "I was immature enough I wouldn't have made it (through college) and just mature enough to realize that."


On Sept. 11, 2001, Rushing was serving as a public affairs officer based at what is now Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, north of San Diego. He was at a seminar with other public affairs officers when terrorists attacked New York and Washington. "How could you watch 9/11 and not say, 'Life is different now?' " Rushing asks. He says he pressed commanders at the Pentagon to send him overseas.


In early 2003, when U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) set up a media operations center in Doha, Qatar, for the war in Iraq, he was ordered to go there.


Though he was one of the youngest public affairs officers, he was made liaison to Al-Jazeera.


"I wanted to learn Arabic," Rushing says, "and when the Al-Jazeera guys showed up, they were the first Arabs I'd run into. ... So I would go by each day and learn a phrase from them.


"There were so many reporters in the media center, and we only had nine spokesmen, we divided them up into accounts. The boss said, 'Rushing, you've got a pretty good relationship with those Jazeera guys, why don't you take them?' "


The assignment would bring Rushing unexpected attention.


When Egyptian filmmaker Jehane Noujaim first came to CENTCOM's media center in Doha, Rushing and the other public affairs officers thought she was making a student film about the media's coverage of the war. Instead, her documentary, Control Room, gained worldwide attention and brought Rushing a modest amount of fame. He's the only American who figures prominently in the film, which focuses on Al-Jazeera's coverage of the war's early days.


'We don't see blood'


Control Room captured Rushing's growing respect for Al-Jazeera's staff, particularly senior producer Hassan Ibrahim, with whom he had many philosophical debates. In one scene, Rushing talked about how revolted he was by Al-Jazeera showing dead American soldiers and interviews with American prisoners of war. Then he noted that he had seen video of Iraqi casualties on the network and not been affected by what he saw.


"It upset me on a profound level that I wasn't as bothered as much the night before," he said in the film. "It makes me hate war."


When the film was released in 2004, reviewers commented on Rushing's candor. Rushing told The Village Voice that American media don't tell the whole story when they cover a war. "In America war isn't hell — we don't see blood, we don't see suffering. All we see is patriotism, and we support the troops. It's almost like war has some brand marketing here," he said in that interview.


Soon after, Rushing was ordered not to talk to the media about the film. "I didn't think it was appropriate for him to be speaking about this documentary — almost promoting it," says Lt. Col Stephen Kay, deputy director of public affairs for the Marine Corps. "It was purely a decision I had to make as his commanding officer."


Rushing had been debating whether to apply for training to be a Marine foreign affairs officer or to leave the Corps. He decided it was time to leave.


Opportunity knocks


Al-Jazeera approached him earlier this year about joining the new channel, Rushing says. He was out of work, giving speeches while trying to decide what to do next.


The network has been hiring staff for more than a year. A spokeswoman, Katie Bergius, said in an e-mail that the channel is "over halfway there" in hiring the "hundreds" of people it will need. In past statements, the network has said it will need about 200 staffers.


So far, Bergius said, Al-Jazeera has hired reporters and producers from several Western competitors, including the Associated Press, the BBC, the Canadian Broadcast Corp., CNBC, CNN and Fox News.


Nigel Parsons, the channel's British-born managing director, was previously director of sales for Associated Press Television News and before that worked for the BBC. Will Stebbins, an American, is Washington bureau chief. He also came from AP Television News. Riz Kahn, who will host a talk show from Washington, previously worked at the BBC and CNN.


Rushing is the most prominent American hired so far. Exactly what he'll be doing remains undecided, but it probably will involve a combination of in-studio work and field reporting. In announcing Rushing's hiring, Parsons said the American "understands the importance, as well as the consequences, of providing news from all sides of the issue, a core value of the channel."


Rushing won't say how much he's being paid, except that his salary is more than the $70,000 a year in pay and housing allowances he earned as a Marine captain and roughly what he could have expected to earn if he had gone into public relations.


The English-language channel will have broadcast centers in Doha; Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia; London and Washington, where Rushing now lives. It has yet to reach any agreements to be carried by cable systems and satellite operators that serve the USA. A spokesman, Mike Holtzman, said Al-Jazeera is confident it will sign such contracts in time to be on the air in the USA next spring.


Rushing says his new bosses will not try to dictate his commentary.


"One of my big questions coming in was, would they want to control what I was going to say? Or my perspective?" he says. "(There's been) no sense of that at all. Editorially, you say what you want."


Kay says he still considers Rushing a friend. "He's a talented guy. ... I think very highly of him," Kay says. "I'm sure he'll do a fine job and be very successful at Al-Jazeera." As for the network, Kay says, "It's obvious Al-Jazeera is probably not the most objective news organization."


Jim Wilkinson, now senior adviser to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, was director of strategic communications for CENTCOM when Rushing was in Doha. Although he has "strong negative feelings" about Al-Jazeera, Wilkinson says no one should question Rushing's loyalty to his country.


"Josh has served his country with honor and distinction in uniform, and he did a good job, a fantastic job," Wilkinson says. "If Sept. 11 taught us anything, it taught us that we simply have to engage more with the Arab media. Josh clearly did a good job of engagement with their media."


Giving Rushing a job "is a smart move on (Al-Jazeera's) part," and taking the job is "a gutsy move on Josh's part. Both sides will come under some criticism."


'Turn the map around'


Rushing says he's ready for that. "I'd like to go on Fox News as much as possible to explain what I'm doing," he says. He says he knows he'll be asked about his politics. "I'm not registered with either party," Rushing says. He won't say who he voted for in 2000 and 2004, but says he voted for Ross Perot in '92.


He predicts that critics also will question whether he believed in the military's mission in Iraq.


He says he "bought into all the reasons we were going — that Saddam was horrible ... that there were weapons of mass destruction that might get into the hands of terrorists."


But though he's "glad Saddam Hussein isn't there anymore," Rushing says he sometimes thinks "maybe we did the right thing for the wrong reasons" because it's "clear" there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.


What he hopes critics will understand, Rushing says, is that he believes he's doing what a Marine officer is trained to do.


"We're taught to 'turn the map around,' " to see things from the enemy's perspective, Rushing says. He hopes he can help people around the world see America differently, and help Americans see the world in new ways.




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#121275 - 09/29/05 07:03 PM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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In the interest of stirring controversy. I'm going to take the side of Al-Jazeera. Because I'm really not so sure that it's such a bad news organization.

Al-Jazeera is located in Qatar. Qatar being a strong American ally. If there's going to be a best home for the biggest middle-eastern news outlet, Qatar is the best location as far as American interests are concerned.

The only thing substantive that article claims about Al-Jazeera is that they broadcast Al-Qaeda videotapes and the such. How are you going to be a respected news outlet in the middle east and not cover hot stories from Al-Qaeda?

Plus Al-Jazeera is funded by Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa, the ruler of Qatar (yes I did a little googling and looked at wikipedia before posting). I didn't see it when I checked quickly, but I believe this guy has even made substantial democratic reforms in Qatar.

Here's a book written by a westerner that did some investigating inside Al-Jazeera and made a positive report. He was on NPR's Fresh Air in an interview about the book I heard. I'm sure it's still in their archives if you want to search around on npr.org

Al Jazeera : How Arab TV News Challenges America

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#121276 - 09/29/05 07:11 PM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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AJ is slanted. So what? I watch CNN, et al; they're slanted, too.
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#121277 - 09/29/05 08:10 PM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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Maybe Al-Jazeera is just the closest individual embodiment of the cultural divide we'll see between the middle east and the west? From the Washing Post description of that book on the Amazon page I posted:

Even as al-Jazeera was breaking barriers and offering hard-hitting news, Miles observes, it ran into problems with nearly every Arab regime. From Egypt to Algeria to the Gulf, the channel was either shut down or on the verge of having the plug pulled at one time or another. The Saudis even used their clout to block much of its advertising market; according to Miles, Riyadh threatened potential advertisers like the Swedish telecommunications company Ericsson with the loss of their contracts if they bought commercial time. This helps explain why al-Jazeera, for all its regional popularity, still can't operate without extensive subsidies from the Qatari government. (Al-Jazeera is Arabic for "the peninsula," a reference to Qatar's location in the Gulf.)

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#121278 - 09/29/05 09:13 PM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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AJ is slanted. So what? I watch CNN, et al; they're slanted, too.




Exactly zen- all news, especially on tv is trying to lead you to a certain opinion. Fox pulls you one way cnn another. It takes only a little intelligence to realize this and filter out the opinion and propaganda for the news but I am seriously doubting whether many people possess enough to do so in the world. I think the propaganda wins out over Intelligence in most cases.
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#121279 - 09/29/05 09:25 PM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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I think the propaganda wins out over Intelligence in most cases.




Well said, what a scary fact. Terrifying.

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#121280 - 09/29/05 10:58 PM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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AJ is slanted. So what? I watch CNN, et al; they're slanted, too.




Interesting relativism. CNN and the BBC are left-leaning, and Fox is right-leaning - however - none of them are a dedicated outlet for violent extremists. In fact, Al-Jazeera was the only foreign broadcaster permitted in the Taliban's Afghanistan before it was toppled. Since then, they have become the preferred forum for the dissemination of recorded media released by Osama or Zawahiri. Is it a coincidence that murderous Islamic terrorists have maintained intimate links with AJ over the years? No.


Even Reuters - which famously declared "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" while bodies were still being scavenged from the WTC rubble - hasn't gained such friendly status with Al-Qaeda. If Al-Qaeda wanted a "neutral" outlet to broadcast their tapes, why not Reuters? Because they don't want neutrality - they want propaganda. Hence why I unapologetically call AJ "Al-Qaeda's Propaganda Ministry".

Now, as for this "Marine" who chooses to propagandize on behalf of a Al-Qaeda's preferred network? Here's a quote.

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'In a time when American media has become so nationalised, I'm excited about joining an organisation that truly wants to be a source of global information," Josh said. "I witnessed during the war how the U.S. media was co-opted by the U.S. government's messaging. I am proud to be part of a news network that believes in the power of the un-spun truth."




He sounds like John Walker Lindh with a laptop to me...

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#121281 - 09/30/05 07:27 AM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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Maybe or maybe the station just threw an assload of money in his direction. Much of the time people will say whatever you want if you pay them enough. This may or may not be the case here. Nobody in their right mind watches AJ anyway- they are preaching to the unwashed masses.

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#121282 - 09/30/05 09:45 AM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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Maybe or maybe the station just threw an assload of money in his direction. Much of the time people will say whatever you want if you pay them enough. This may or may not be the case here. Nobody in their right mind watches AJ anyway- they are preaching to the unwashed masses.

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the guy should be shot.
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#121283 - 09/30/05 02:21 PM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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Ah! Excellent! I was worried Phlog was going to chicken out on bashing people who are not absolutely demonstrably terrorists but are related to them. People who have been watching have seen this building for a week or so.

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In fact, Al-Jazeera was the only foreign broadcaster permitted in the Taliban's Afghanistan before it was toppled.


I've never seen this before, but their endorsement does make al-Jazeera look bad. However if you learned that the Christian Coalition played Fox News at breaks during their political conventions, would this mean Fox supported the War on Pornography or zealous anti-abortion laws?

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Since then, they have become the preferred forum for the dissemination of recorded media released by Osama or Zawahiri. Is it a coincidence that murderous Islamic terrorists have maintained intimate links with AJ over the years? No.


And this is the crux of the argument that I've seen around. I could see how if you removed the Al-Qaeda media outlet, you would diminish their power which would no doubt be a good thing. But possibly in being way too liberal about the whole thing. Don't know what it is in me that wouldn't want to censor it based on these grounds. Al-Qaeda has sympathizers in the middle east. And, if you discount their means, and just look at their goals, they have a lot more sympathizers. For a middle-eastern news outlet, this just seems like a valid story to me.

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Now, as for this "Marine" who chooses to propagandize on behalf of a Al-Qaeda's preferred network? Here's a quote.


I did a little googling on your buddy Josh Rushing. Apparently how he feels the US govt has "co-opted" the media's message on the war is that he feels the US media romanticizes the war, doesn't show the gory details of it. Much like how you felt the American media didn't show the violence in New Orleans. (and yes jrv, I still have to get back to you on that in the other thread, sorry for being lazy). According to Rushing al-Jazeera shows this. That's what he's talking about with the American got co-opting the war. Personally I think it has nothing to do with the govt, the American media just knows the American public doesn't have the belly and will change the channel.

Josh Rushing's Surprise Role in 'Control Room'

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#121284 - 09/30/05 04:08 PM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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Ah! Excellent! I was worried Phlog was going to chicken out on bashing people who are not absolutely demonstrably terrorists but are related to them. People who have been watching have seen this building for a week or so.





Me..."chicken out"? Never! Porn forums must be kept safe from Islamic terrorists and their domestic lackeys!

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I've never seen this before, but their endorsement does make al-Jazeera look bad. However if you learned that the Christian Coalition played Fox News at breaks during their political conventions, would this mean Fox supported the War on Pornography or zealous anti-abortion laws?





I am unsure what the collective politics of the Fox network execs may be. They may be ideological conservatives, or maybe they found a niche market - specifically the vast majority of Americans who aren't liberal Democrats. Chistian groups are definitely a part of this niche market, although I have yet see a Fox host endorse the violent excesses of these groups, by, for example, airing propaganda videos on behalf of Eric Rudolf like AJ does Osama or Zarqawi.


Fox's bias is a bit different from that of other networks, since Fox's on-air talent consists of people openly identified as commentators: O'Reilly, Hannity, Colmes, Rivera, etc. They aren't expected to do much else than offer opinions. I don't think there is a Fox equivalent of Dan Rather, who is identified as a journalist, yet attached an editorial slant to much of his reporting. So, although it is reasonable to see a bias in Fox, it is coming from people openly designated as ideologues, so I am a bit more forgiving than ABC, NBC, NPR, etc.


And, finally, if it unclear to anyone, I am not advocating any censorship. I think keeping this propagandized "news" within the monitoring eyes of America's security apparatus may actually prove to have substantial benefits. I just hope the NSA has every phone at AJ's offices monitored, and an agent creeping behind every Al-Qaeda courier dropping off the latest propaganda video. I actually think AJ might be an unwitting tool against terrorism in this regard.

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#121285 - 09/30/05 06:26 PM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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I have yet see a Fox host endorse the violent excesses of these groups, by, for example, airing propaganda videos on behalf of Eric Rudolf like AJ does Osama or Zarqawi.


The difference being that Osama is more significant to the middle east than Eric Raymond is to the United States, or even the South. You don't throw something out there in a responsible media organization just because somebody said it. But, if it's somebody with a following of at least tens of thousands...

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I don't think there is a Fox equivalent of Dan Rather, who is identified as a journalist, yet attached an editorial slant to much of his reporting.


True. But they've got that Fair and Balanced slogan, and then 90% of the commentators are conservative. Alan Colmes does not count, he's simply there to make the conservative bulldog Holmes look good. Hannity's not a bad good, but you put somebody intelligent in there with him, and they tear his blind rhetoric to pieces. Not to mention the "We Report, You Decide" slogan, but then Bill O'Reilly is screaming at you what to believe in prime time. I should start watch Special Report with Brit Hume again to see if Juan Williams is still in there trying to fight the good fight for the liberals.


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And, finally, if it unclear to anyone, I am not advocating any censorship.


Point taken. I did that on one of your other threads about Islamic converts. Was responding to that idiot Rick Savage I hear in my car on the radio at night. Even though you hadn't come close to saying half that.

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I think keeping this propagandized "news" within the monitoring eyes of America's security apparatus may actually prove to have substantial benefits. I just hope the NSA has every phone at AJ's offices monitored, and an agent creeping behind every Al-Qaeda courier dropping off the latest propaganda video. I actually think AJ might be an unwitting tool against terrorism in this regard.


We need to impeach Bush if they're not already spying on al-Jazeera. No way at least some of the reporters aren't hooked-up.

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#121286 - 09/30/05 06:44 PM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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#121287 - 09/30/05 07:02 PM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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The difference being that Osama is more significant to the middle east than Eric Raymond is to the United States, or even the South. You don't throw something out there in a responsible media organization just because somebody said it. But, if it's somebody with a following of at least tens of thousands...





Osama and Rudolf are many magnitudes apart, that's for sure. I wonder if copies of these Osama videos are furnished to intelligence agencies for review before they are broadcast, or does the CIA or MI6 view them when the rest of do? There may be a reasonable case for airing these videos, perhaps editing if necessary, but without some screening, I think the case fades away.

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True. But they've got that Fair and Balanced slogan, and then 90% of the commentators are conservative. Alan Colmes does not count, he's simply there to make the conservative bulldog Holmes look good. Hannity's not a bad good, but you put somebody intelligent in there with him, and they tear his blind rhetoric to pieces. Not to mention the "We Report, You Decide" slogan, but then Bill O'Reilly is screaming at you what to believe in prime time. I should start watch Special Report with Brit Hume again to see if Juan Williams is still in there trying to fight the good fight for the liberals.





I actually haven't watched televison, much less Fox, in months. I saw the footage you posted, and all commentators were explicitly identified as commentators, but you have a point about the questionable use of "fair and balanced" when 90% of the commentators are conservative. (I suppose "fair and balanced" does not necessarily require a quota of ideologes, but it would be hard to argue that the numerical minority of liberals project themselves in proportion to their conservative counterparts.) I agree with you.

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Point taken. I did that on one of your other threads about Islamic converts. Was responding to that idiot Rick Savage I hear in my car on the radio at night. Even though you hadn't come close to saying half that.




Do you mean Michael Savage? I do like talk radio, but prefer more intellectual hosts like Larry Elder or frequent Limbaugh fill-in Walter Williams. Savage strikes me as extremely hateful - like calling gay rights activists "The Pink Swastika".


My views of Islam are by no means PC, and I strongly question the motives of westerners who opt to convert to it, but constitutional rights - freedom of religion and association, in particular - come first. I also have met many reasonable Muslims, and I do not want them to be harmed or mistreated in any way. Savage's vitriol makes him indistinguishable from the Imam's he advocates killing.

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We need to impeach Bush if they're not already spying on al-Jazeera. No way at least some of the reporters aren't hooked-up.




Agreed. Especially in light of the porn squad he recently created.

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#121288 - 09/30/05 09:43 PM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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There may be a reasonable case for airing these videos, perhaps editing if necessary, but without some screening, I think the case fades away.


I think the problem with this board is that we agree too much. Are there any liberals out there??

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but you have a point about the questionable use of "fair and balanced" when 90% of the commentators are conservative.


Yeah, and the company line on the whole fair and balanced thing is that the commentators are not dedicated conservatives. That Hannity is the only one dedicated to conservatism, and that he's balanced by Colmes. I've heard of couple of the on-air FOX reporters give this company line. The descrepancy they draw is that any commentator is completely willing to go against either the democratic or republican party. And, they have. But, this is nonsense because any moron who actually knows anything about the issues is never all liberal or all conservative.

The only valid argument I think for possibly FOX not reeking of bias is that there just aren't any intelligent liberals left. The country has gone so conservative, the liberals just don't make sense any more. Maybe the democratic party is dying. But, since it's such an old established institution, it can rest on it laurels with its reputation in civil rights, and being the only republican alternative right now.

That said, mainstream news where you have the pressure to garner ratings like CNN or FOX has, it's got to be more entertainment than news. There just aren't enough intelligent people in the country to get those kinds of ratings without playing heavily to entertainment. And, FOX definitely has more entertaining personalities than CNN. If you want to change to avoid the question with Larry King, all you have to do is mention something completely unrelated, and he'll be like "oh, really?!"

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Do you mean Michael Savage? I do like talk radio, but prefer more intellectual hosts like Larry Elder or frequent Limbaugh fill-in Walter Williams. Savage strikes me as extremely hateful - like calling gay rights activists "The Pink Swastika".


Yeah, maybe his name is Michael Savage. The guy's speech is so moronic, I'm guessing he doesn't even believe it himself. He was the one talking about making mass use of sedition laws against middle-eastern sympathizers in the US. My prediction is that Savage is a hoax and will be gone in a couple of years. As soon as more mainstream media figures he's big enough that he's worth the ratings they'll gain from the publicity in going after him, he'll get taken out. Savage will then have to start playing up issues where he's more moderate on to avoid lossing too much credibility, thereby abandoning his audience base. It's tough enough to build a new audience base, and there's no way that guy has the talent.

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#121289 - 09/30/05 10:42 PM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.





All right, I don't know how wise it is to try to communicate with banana guy, but who couldn't take the joke? Me or Phlog? And, realize this banana, if it's me - I'm going to chase you around the board chanting to ban you.

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#121290 - 10/01/05 06:57 AM Re: Former Marine to join Al-Jazeera
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#121291 - 10/01/05 09:08 PM You're kidding right???
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In the interest of stirring controversy. I'm going to take the side of Al-Jazeera. Because I'm really not so sure that it's such a bad news organization.




Your fuckin' kidding right???

alJazeera is a great news channel if you are an Islamic-Fascist Jihadist bent on destroying western civilization who needs an additional tool to help brainwash other Islamic Fundamentalists to create more suicide bombers.

alJazeera makes no attempt to cover it's pure anti-American propaganda with even a little sprinkle of journalism. They routinely display pictures and videos that will spark anti-American hatred repeatedly for hours on end.

Wise up dumb ass! The day alJazeera becomes a bona fide news source is the day that we have all been converted to Islam by force. The same day that they behead all the pornographers... on TV of course.


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#121292 - 10/01/05 10:01 PM Re: You're kidding right???
John Floofin Offline
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Simply to play the Devil's advocate here, I've just gotta know XVOD, how many hours of Al-Jazeera have you watched?

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#121293 - 10/03/05 08:45 AM Re: You're kidding right???
Maldini Offline
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Fox is far more slanted than Al Jazeera. Fox is a caricature of a news station.

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#121294 - 10/04/05 01:11 AM Re: You're kidding right???
xvod Offline
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Simply to play the Devil's advocate here, I've just gotta know XVOD, how many hours of Al-Jazeera have you watched?




Since I don't speak the language I read http://www.aljazeera.com/ about three or four times a week to keep abreast of whats going on in the minds of the enemy.

Here's some headlines from today designed to incite hatred and fear...

“They blinded me”
Iran threatens U.S.
England tells of more Abu Ghraib abuses
Two more U.S. wars are underway
Striking Iran would shoot up oil prices to 400 dollars

Read the anti-American propaganda for yourself.

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#121295 - 10/04/05 10:31 AM Re: You're kidding right???
John Floofin Offline
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Well done, Xvod.

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#121296 - 10/04/05 02:25 PM Re: You're kidding right???
drive Offline
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Registered: 08/25/05
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Yeah, they're overdoing abu-Ghraib. You don't think they think we're overdoing 9/11?

Internation headlines I just got off foxnews.com:

Taliban Spokesman Nabbed
Terror Fears Grip Bali
U.N. Warns Iraqis

Al-Qaeda is as much anti-American propaganda as FOX is American propaganda. The main difference is that foxnews.com's main purpose isn't covering America's view of the middle east, whereas aljazeera.com main purpose is covering the relationship from an organization that's inside the middle east.

If you're gonna read it, I don't see any sense in dismissing it as propaganda. Just realize your getting the other side of the story.

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#121297 - 10/09/05 02:36 PM Re: You're kidding right???
Ivor Biggun Offline
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Registered: 10/09/04
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Simply to play the Devil's advocate here, I've just gotta know XVOD, how many hours of Al-Jazeera have you watched?




Since I don't speak the language I read http://www.aljazeera.com/ about three or four times a week to keep abreast of whats going on in the minds of the enemy.




About Aljazeera.com

Aljazeera Publishing owns and operates Aljazeera.com, bringing you the world today. Aljazeera Publishing is an independent media organisation established for more than 12 years delivering news and analysis to readers all over the world. Aljazeera.com has a particular focus on events and issues in the Middle East covering major developments presenting facts as they happen.

Important note: Aljazeera Publishing and Aljazeera.com are not associated with the controversial Arabic Satellite Channel known as Jazeera Space Channel TV station whose website is Aljazeera.net.

Aljazeera Publishing disassociates itself from the views, opinions and broadcasts of Jazeera Space Channel TV station.



The Al-Qaeda coverage could be good, bad or neutral, depending entirely on the context and slant of the reporting. I always wondered how many of those who criticise the channel so heavily actually understand enough Arabic to make a fair judgement. Now I'm wondering how many of them have been basing their opinions on reading a completely different company's website.
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