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#100525 - 05/10/05 07:21 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/03/03
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050510/D8A0C6R00.html
An unarmed suspect. A quiet neighborhood. An auto chase at "speeds of up to 35 mph."
120 rounds fired. And they couldn't kill him.
Best quote - "We're not sure how the deputy was injured but it could be from friendly fire". Well the only people armed were the cops and so the only people firing were cops - do you think it's possible the deputy was shot by a cop?
PS. They only put four bullets in the suspect. They put bullets into at least five houses in the neighborhood, in addition to the deputy.
PPS. I wonder how many of those cops were given Sharpshooter ratings at the police academy?
Investigation Vowed in L.A. Shooting
May 10, 10:21 AM (ET)
By DAISY NGUYEN
LOS ANGELES (AP) - Authorities promised a full investigation Tuesday into why deputies riddled a sport utility vehicle and a Compton neighborhood with 120 bullets after the driver led them on a chase, wounding an unarmed driver and possibly striking a deputy.
"The question is: Did they have to fire as many rounds as they did?" Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca told NBC's "Today."
The driver, identified as 44-year-old Winston Hayes, had four gunshot wounds and was hospitalized in stable condition Tuesday morning, the Sheriff's Department said.
A deputy was knocked down and bruised when a bullet struck his protective vest during Monday's confrontation. His identity was not immediately released.
"We're not sure how the deputy was injured but it could be from friendly fire," Baca said Monday.
The sheriff told "Today" that the deputies fired 120 rounds.
Deputies had received a shots-fired call early Monday in a neighborhood of Compton where there has been a rise in gang-related shootings. A white SUV had been identified as being involved, Baca said.
When deputies tried to stop Hayes' white Chevrolet Tahoe, he led them on a 12-minute chase at speeds of up to 35 mph, Baca said. Patrol cars tried to box in the SUV, but it drove onto a lawn and then backed into the street toward three deputies, authorities said.
An amateur videotape captured 10 deputies unleashing a fusillade against the unmoving SUV. The vehicle then rolled slowly forward and struck the back of a patrol car.
Trina Hays, 42, said she threw herself onto her lawn when the shooting erupted 20 feet away.
"This is crazy, really, really crazy," she told the Times. "They didn't have any concern for anybody's life, including their own. That's why their own police officer got hit."
Bullets smashed through windows and hit the walls of at least five homes, the newspaper said.
No weapon was found in Hayes' vehicle but a dozen shell casings were found near the spot where the chase began, Baca said.
Hayes was expected to be booked for investigation of assault with a deadly weapon on a peace officer.
The sheriff said the shooting would be investigated by the department and the county district attorney's office. Investigators will try to determine whether some deputies opened fire because they mistook a colleague's friendly fire for an attacker's.
Hayes told deputies that he had used crack cocaine and had driven around the neighborhood for hours before deputies tried to stop him, Baca said.
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#100526 - 05/10/05 08:52 PM
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I don't mind that they shot the dickhead, but 4 out of 120? That is .0003% hit ratio, not very impressive.
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#100527 - 05/10/05 09:14 PM
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Porn Jesus
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This always pisses me off about these shootings- they shoot an insane amount of bullets and miss most of time. Those missed shots go somewhere.
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#100528 - 05/10/05 10:28 PM
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#100530 - 05/11/05 05:13 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/03/03
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This always pisses me off about these shootings- they shoot an insane amount of bullets and miss most of time. Those missed shots go somewhere.
Indeed they did go somewhere - into the neighborhood houses, at least one deputy, etc.
How many cops were involved? 120 rounds is a lot. How many times did they have to reload? How many opportunities did they have to think about whether one guy in a car chase ("speeds of up to 35 mph") might not be as dangerous, even to themselves, as shooting up the neighborhood?
The other reason to ask how many were involved is whether it was just a couple of idiots or whether it goes deeper. If it's 5 or 6, or more, then there's something deeply wrong in training, and you can assuming they're all infected.
So much for "One Shot, One Kill"...
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#100531 - 05/11/05 11:31 AM
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Porn Jesus
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I was speaking in general terms Jrv, up here in NY we have the same problem so I think it is universal. Every year there are a couple of these shootings in the tri state area and of course people complain about the number of shots fired at the guy but what always gets me was the number of missed shots. Usually the person they are chasing has done something criminal or is resisting or potentially a danger to the police so the shootings don't ruffle my feathers but most of these guys must need some combat range shooting practice under pressure or something.
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#100532 - 05/11/05 12:04 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/26/03
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I don't think shooting practice is a continuing part of police training. I think they have to take a test once or twice a year to show they haven't forgotten how to load a aim the thing.
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#100533 - 05/11/05 12:21 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/03/03
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Loc: TX, USA
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First of all, "speeds of up to 35 mph" doesn't seem very menacing. Is that even speeding? Are they going to shoot a jaywalker if a balloon pops nearby?
Second, the accuracy is embarrassing but raises the larger question: What were they shooting at? The goal is to not shoot until you have something to shoot at. It's not as though they needed to lay down covering fire or something - they were shooting for the sake of shooting, whether they knew where that round went or not.
PS. My grandmother could literally shoot better. She only fired a gun on one occasion in her life (when she was in her 60s) and she needed only 6 shots to put one round in a burglar.
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#100537 - 05/11/05 08:38 PM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 07/23/04
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and in favor of laws that require that people make every attempt to back away or escape before opening fire.
I was almost with you until that line.
That is the most unreal reaction I could ever think of. If I am forced to use a gun, and I legally carry one every day remember I am an ex LEO, I am not backing anywhere. That move could very well get me killed.
Let me see if I got what you were saying. If I have an attacker putting my life, or the life of another, in danger: You think I should take some part of my attention off this individual and seek a place to withdraw? Wouldn't that put me, and or another, in more danger by not focusing on my attacker? I'm sorry but all my training goes very much against that idea, and my training must have been good. I’m still here. I will keep 100% of my attention on the threat; if he, or she, is smart they can withdraw. But if they were smart they wouldn't be being a threat.
How does your statement make since to you? Please explain as that mindset is one I do not understand. Why has society come to the belief that it is the law-abiding citizen that has to give ground to the scum of the earth? In that way of thinking I am the one that is thought to be in the wrong and yet I attacked no one. I just stopped one that was being perpetrated on me.
Liberal thinking like you posted will get you killed and the bad guy set free to prey on the next guy. Hey people stop being pusses. If you are attacked or threatened, put a fucking stop to it. Don't cower and give in. The next time, the attacker you withdrew from, may decide to kill someone. And how would you feel if it was a family member?
You could feel good about yourself by telling everyone. Well at least I ran and didn’t cause any harm to the poor underprivileged disenfranchised down trodden poor soul.
Me I'll do my best to be able to tell them: Well I shot the fuck out of that asshole. Now he is a good guy. 
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#100538 - 05/11/05 08:39 PM
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Demon Spawn
Registered: 07/07/04
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wants to start going thru my shoulder bag.
Seinfeld anyone?
Jerry: Hey! Officer! Someone took my European carryall!
Cop: Your what?
Jerry: The...black, leather...thing with a strap.
Cop: You mean a purse?
Jerry: Yes, a purse. I carry a purse!
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#100540 - 05/11/05 11:20 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 02/04/05
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I don't think shooting practice is a continuing part of police training. I think they have to take a test once or twice a year to show they haven't forgotten how to load a aim the thing.
Zen,
It went out the window when most of the departments adopted high capacity 9mms in the middle 80s..."SPRAY & PRAY"
I'm more concerned about the number of patrol "peoples" toting M-16s in the trunks of the patrol cars just in case another North Hollywood bank robbery shootout materializes. Hell, why not mount MK19 40mm grenade machine guns on the patrol cars roofs
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#100541 - 05/12/05 12:00 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 03/28/04
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wants to start going thru my shoulder bag.
Seinfeld anyone?
Jerry: Hey! Officer! Someone took my European carryall!
Cop: Your what?
Jerry: The...black, leather...thing with a strap.
Cop: You mean a purse?
Jerry: Yes, a purse. I carry a purse!
Loved that one. 
screw you guys. the only reason i had it that day is cause it went with my skirt.
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#100543 - 05/12/05 02:04 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/17/04
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cops almost always outnumber badguys in shootouts and more cops keep showing up. high-capacity semi-autos with wadcutters are useful for guys like tantas who potentially need to kill ten people, but not for cop-situations. they've usually got cars for cover and they don't need to shoot their way out of a situation, so it's ridiculous when they just keep shooting at engine blocks and guys in body armor with buckshot and 9mm hollowpoints. an m-16 on full-auto isn't something your average cop should be using either, given they've got minimal training with it and probably don't practice with the thing. teach them how to shoot and put a medium-bore or higher rifle with FMJs in the trunk for crippling vehicles and the tweakers with vests and encourage the ones that are strong enough to carry .357s or something else with a signifigantly-higher FPS.
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#100544 - 05/12/05 06:51 AM
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Whoremaster
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James you need to do some research. A wadcutter is a bullet designed to punch neat holes in paper. Therefore making scoring easier. It is not a defense round. So you made one true statement. "but not for cop-situations" unless you are talking about range work. And Mr. Uninformed see if you can find, anywhere, a 9mm wadcutter. Or a wadcutter for any, non-target semi auto.
And for you information I don't need to "kill" your word, anyone. But I have the right to protect myself.
I just love the way people distort what is posted.
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#100545 - 05/12/05 11:02 AM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 02/04/05
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James you need to do some research. A wadcutter is a bullet designed to punch neat holes in paper. Therefore making scoring easier. It is not a defense round. So you made one true statement. "but not for cop-situations" unless you are talking about range work. And Mr. Uninformed see if you can find, anywhere, a 9mm wadcutter. Or a wadcutter for any, non-target semi auto.
And for you information I don't need to "kill" your word, anyone. But I have the right to protect myself.
I just love the way people distort what is posted.
TD,
Me thinks that JRV is not a native Texan...possibly a Yankee transplant or maybe, an Austin flake  
Someone breaks into my house...
http://www.legaltips.org/texas/PE/pe.002.00.000009.00.aspx
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#100546 - 05/12/05 12:50 PM
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Whoremaster
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James you need to do some research. A wadcutter is a bullet designed to punch neat holes in paper. Therefore making scoring easier. It is not a defense round. So you made one true statement. "but not for cop-situations" unless you are talking about range work. And Mr. Uninformed see if you can find, anywhere, a 9mm wadcutter. Or a wadcutter for any, non-target semi auto.
And for you information I don't need to "kill" your word, anyone. But I have the right to protect myself.
I just love the way people distort what is posted.
TD,
Me thinks that JRV is not a native Texan...possibly a Yankee transplant or maybe, an Austin flake
Someone breaks into my house...
http://www.legaltips.org/texas/PE/pe.002.00.000009.00.aspx
God Klown don't even mention Austin, TX. That was in my district until 2/17/2005. The people I had to deal with, from Austin, were nucking futs.
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#100547 - 05/12/05 01:28 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/17/04
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whoa, whoa, whoa---i think we're on two totally different page on about everything i just wrote. the wadcutter reference was a dig at .38's and slower 9mm rounds, i know what they are but not how to make a joke before 9am.
if you thought i was saying anything negative about your service with the "needing to kill lots if people" thing-you're crazy or i need to read my posts better. all i was saying was that higher-capacity magazines made sense for rangers or anyone else not operating with home-field advantage. cops aren't carrying all the ammo they're going to have in latin america somewhere-i'd think it's probably safer for everyone to end situations like the LA bank robbery faster by sacrificing a little weight and capacity for higher-energy catridges. for the record, i'm deeply thankful for the risks you and others like you have taken to allow life to be pretty amazing here. please accept my apology if you misunderstood me.
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#100548 - 05/12/05 03:09 PM
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No problem, I'm just a smart ass.
Comes with the background.
Edited by tantas' Daddy (05/12/05 03:10 PM)
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#100549 - 05/12/05 10:35 PM
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#100551 - 05/13/05 08:28 AM
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#100553 - 05/13/05 01:13 PM
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Gay For Pay
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No, I moved to the Clear Lake city area in 1962 and lived on the wrong side of the Red River for only once for six months since then.
Not Oklahoma! Say it ain't so I live about 20 miles from the Red River, and Okies are beneath Yankees around this area
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#100556 - 05/14/05 03:47 PM
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Ha ha Jrv is a yankee too
 
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