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First Coco Loco, now Desi. 'Tis the season...

That's not her that's the Taliban !

Good Lord !

Jesus H. Christ and his Bastard Brother Harry. When did fake crazy replace fake cancer as the preferred disease amongst PWs?

This shit would be funny if it wasn't so imbecilic and juvenile !

Is Desi pimping out her grand daughter yet, or is Ellie doing the smart thing and keeping the baby from her to break the cycle of exploitation?

Coco Loco, if you find anyone crazy/stupid enough to believe your line of BS, then you deserve them.

I've been mega-dosing gabapentin for the last two days and I feel fucking great. I'm even sleeping well. I might go walk the railroad tracks later and look for a hobo to kill(thats a joke by the way, I'd never kill a hobo but a lawyer on the other hand...).

wtf is this shit and why?.. it must be the holidays. all the true psychos come out, yes?.

even that homeless stink ape rick madrid was talking shit about xpt the other day in the lib comments section. you know it's bad when your paranoia eclipses steeles and people take notice.

Craigslist escort ?????

one dumb bitch pimped her kids, the other sells her pussy in the name of god..

Monica I thank you for the picture and we are all glad you can't stay away from here. You have provided me with inspiration. I will start writing and directing adult films and I would like you to star in my first movie, This Ain't Rosa Parks XXX The Untold Story. I'm going to the bookstore (Thank G-d for extended holiday hours) forthwith to buy an Ebonics dictionary.

I think that Madrid cat had things mixed up. I think he was talking about another site, but said XPT. If someone can show me where Porno Dan was on here bad mouthing him, it would be appreciated. That bleached sack of shit made a couple posts here, during the Donkey War, and that has been about it for 1.5-2 years. Oh, and the blood mobile stuff.

i love that coco felt the need to photoshop some bullshit.i still remember how happy desi's dumb ass was to be on a talk show telling the world about her and her daughters career.heres the link for anybody interested:
desi and daughter on maury(but you have to log in)

Best was RedGoat infiltrating Ellie and her mom-pimp's interview on Stern.

Pure as the driven snow, Miss Desi. Nothing new to see here, folks. This is classic Mom. Lots of requests for her fanbois to write letters about people who hurt her feelings.

How long has it been since since the left the Ranch to start their new lives? At least 2 years, no? Desi, the only people talking unbidden about you is you.

Another failure to add to her collection of failures.

I don't care if it rains or freezes as long as I am sucking cock for Jesus, everybody sing along.

Brake not Break...When im pointing out spelling errors there has to be a issue....I think today will be Desi Foxx day on TRPWL

Be cautious TRPWL. They're gonna put a hex on you. The only way to beat it is to put a hex on them first.

yea, id hate for them to find out my real name is Sean Tompkins, even worse if they found out i was the owner of TRPWL, hell if they knew i was they may even pray for my sons death and quite possibly for me to break my back ..Yea, i need to be cautious, lol


I think the worst thing in life is to be hated by Monica Foster, Desi Foxx and Shelley Lubben..Somewhere ive done right

Buy this. Look at that cover, it's got Monica on it. It's a sign.

Jerkules
She's all over the place now with Monica. Like the retarded Doublemint Twins.

Stupid + Crazy + Whore = Gold.

Monica, I will pay you lots of cash to stick my dick into your snatch and spray my semen deep into your womb. All you have to do is show a little enthusiasm, and keep repeating, "Knock me up, you dirty Uncle Tom!"

Let me know.

who the pudgy blonde gettin waffled by the bus?

Julie Meadows. Whiteacre and Meadows are so inspired by their hatred of Lubben, they actually went so far as to make an hour/hour and a half long movie declaring whatta bitch she is. They ran around interviewing other people in the adult industry, who also called Lubben a bitch.

Apparently Monica sides with Lubben in that feud. or at least she does this week. With past friendship the best indicators of Monica's future friendships. Next week, Monica will being photoshopping jpegs about how Lubben turned, and abused Monica's trust! Lord, I love me some Monica...

Do you love you some Monica like her daddy did before he was turned gay?

So Foster now supports the posting of infant kids online...

What's the movie? Sounds like big chuckles.

Isn't it beautiful when hatred inspires art? MF would think so. Wouldn't you, Kizzy?

Seems like a good week to point out how much the Donkey's banner resembles Kim Jong Dead's banner:







And you gotta be eight kinds of evil to go posting pics of someone's kids.

All this photoshop is making me long for Electrostatic. I miss the days when xpt had tons of p-shop antics.

Sean got an XPT tattoo. Not even 500 posts and you are in for the long haul. That's bad ass bro.

I bet you are wishing you didn't turn that ass down, huh. If you'da given that drunken cunt a little taste of white meat, bitch would be shining yer shoes instead of breaking yer balls.

Coco Loco, did Dykstra have any nads left on him, after all them steroids he did? Would you rate his load at small, normal, or voluminous? Did his dick taste like Ron Darling? I always had my doubts about Ron Darling. What about Keith Hernandez? If Dykstra's cock tasted like tacos, then that is a yes on Keith Hernandez.

Coco, could you give us a Christmas present and post some pics of candy canes in your money makers? I think the the white and red would contrast nicely against your dark black ass cheeks and darker black holes.

Who the fuck is the guy in the purple hat?! I'm laughing so hard, my fucking glasses are fogging up.

**edit**

Ha!!!! I just noticed the chick under the computer supposedly blowing sean. Desi has to be in on this. Look at the computer screen.

Looks like Geddy Lee in a Pimp's hat. Most incongruous thing since, well, since Monica Foster claimed she found Jeebus.

Does one person, of questionable sanity, constitute a "Movement"?

Well, if you wanna check it out, maybe you'll like it more than I did... Click



It's more the anger and vindictiveness she's let envelope her humanity which fascinates me. Some of it she considers performance art, but the kernel of truth is there...

Looking for that link for Bob, I just saw Julie Meadows is all over her blog now bitching about Monica. I'm shocked Meadows fell for it. Monica might be jumping the shark.

Has Monica tried the bit where she threatens suicide on Twitter yet? It's worked for other whores. That one's dramatic enough it might add some more bite to Monica's antics?

I had to look twice to see that. She is definitely a funny old bag .

Still my all-time favorite. Whatever happened to this whore?

She's repeatedly claimed to have contemplated suicide in various venues. I refuse to use Twitter, so I can't tell you if she ever specifically did so there. Wouldn't matter since clearly very few care and the ones that do care seem to have her in their porn "Dead Pool."

Nobody cares about a crazy black 'ho.

too many care is the problem...

Few care too much.

I always enjoy suicide cries, and fuck ups that were blamed on failed suicide attempts. If it's that bad and no one relies on you, JUST DO IT, make the world a better place. Otherwise all you do is make the ones with responsibilities wish they could.

Barry in Monicas case one person does constitute a "movement" I think that the proper term is "Bowel Movement"

Foster wont kill herself, shes her biggest fan..And if she did, no one would care.,..truly, even in the days of the donkey, he had friends, she has none...Shes the person who dies but no one finds out till the smell is so bad neighbors call the cops...

Only in the bathroom !
Fuck too many posting at the same time as me ! Brilliant minds think alike I suppose......

Monica, you should go to your Twitter account and read all of your tweets concerning Julie Meadows. After a careful review, I think you will agree with the consensus that you are batshit crazy. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Having said that, I would still like to shag the shit out of you. You are one hot Nubian queen. The only thing that would be better is a three-way with you and Julie Meadows.

OK, time out: I happen to know both Spiegler and Sean and even in me cups I wouldn't say they looked anything alike.

You may now resume your shoppery...

Monika Fosterhome, how does his body compare to a real man like Lenny Dykstra?

Reality vs. Monica FosterBrooks:

day trade = buy meth with cash, sell meth for cash
retail store = website to book johns
special order sports gear = replica Lenny Dykstra t-shirts
supplement business = sending out e-mails about Canadian pharmacies and knock-off Viagra

reality is a bitch, eh whore?

$20 cam shows and eyeball paintings are her main forms of income. Coco Loco can't afford no meth.

Why???

dude, talk about being stalked, i hadn't even pressed send and shes copying tweets..lol



Jerk, im up by 11, i have Jones tonight, he has Brees and Moore...Not sure i can hold on.. Romo not coming back cost me 12 for sure...

One ring already thanks to 5 tds from A Rodgers

Good deal. Second place money spends too, no shame in it. They gonna try and get Brees that record tonight, he needs 305yds. I might be stupid, but I think the over 53 in that game is a great bet.

As I said in the Shoutbox, Bell got 18 for me. Glad both his fumbles were recovered by the Bears, so I didn't get any deductions. I'm up 63 and my opponent has Jones and Graham tonight.

Graham went for 26 last time against the Falcons, and has gone for 30+ 5 times, though only once since Colston has been healthy. Seems Brees dedicates a 1/4 to Colston each game. Jones was only 2 for 9 against NO last time, but he's healthy now and has that big play ability that scares me. He's only been over 30pts 2x, but one was a whopping 49. Saints secondary can be burned, Cruz 72 yd garbage time TD on MNF a month ago helped me lock up a first round bye.

Fingers crossed. It aint over till its over.

I stole a win so im not worried, dude was up pretty good by like 20 with Felix J in my NFL.COM league, i grabbed the Buffalo D just cuz i figured low scoring game..Beat him by 2...so it all evens out

Winning the ESPN league tho would be great tho, that guy on my facebook from Jersey you see talking trash, its me an him every year in baseball and football, ive owned him last 2 years in each final, the fucker is in the fantasy sports hall of fame..lol

Fantasy baseball seems like its too long of a season and time consuming.

the worst is when you play football, baseball and basketball, they over run for 3 weeks,,and its a daily thing..

How did you do Sean? Jones had a pretty good night, probably offset Brees for you.

With Mopez not around, Monica gets the title of Top Chop.

How about some pics of candy canes in yer holes? Actually for New Years, we'd like a noise maker in your butt. Light color to get the contrast, and if you post a video clip of you farting and it unfurling and making noise, I'll PayPal you the 20 bucks you get for a cam show. You can trust me, I am an honest perv. It is one of my flaws.

Something along the lines of this.

Monica FosterBrooks has the photoshop skills of...hmm...a disgusting, untalented whorehooker. Please, Monica, from all these alleged "businesses" you are in, take some lessons.

by the looks of the pics she seemed happier than with what shes doing now.come back,the porn world will forgive you.

Found this foster interview..its pretty crazy,. BTW what the fuck is that on Desis face a wart???

Foster speaks of people trying to kill her

It's a little negroid mark the darkies leave behind when they have been somewhere.

Monica FosterBrooks--any more bad photoshops you want to share while we continue to mock your lack of skill and intelligence? Cunt.

It's an "ugly" root !

damn im the weakest link ?..LOL 5 mins of my time has your drunk ass runnin all over the net..lol no matter how many links you and your hooker buddy post you will never get my traffic...I figured id thro u a bone...

Only a dumb bitch and her clan would shyt on a web board and its owner but be so weak and desperate they would come to the very same board and beg for traffic...


Your like the wife who gets beat by her hubby but keeps coming back for more...its great...

oh shyt, end of the month, your rent is due, how about a XPT discount on cam shows, im sure someone will send you a check

I'd pay pal her the money for a cam show where she candy canes her asshole. I'd throw in a pic of a skinhead gay orgy for her to chop up too. I don't think she does things on the customers terms though. She probably milks her mark for the duration, and flashes beave for the last minute or so. That's why I stick to euro teen anal vids and never dipped my toe int he cam whore water.

Now here is a question for you. I never did a cam whore session, but if I did, is the content mine, since I paid for it? I don't know how to record it, but I guess the programs are out there, since you see the stuff on tube sites. I pay for the 20 minutes, so you'd figure the content produced would be the property of the person paying. Would you still need 2257 info to profit from it? Any fake lawyers wanna chime in?

I'm guessing you'll need 2257 and model releases. I think.

This snotty little nigger cunt almost makes me wish ol Donkey came back.

Almost.

looks like a piercing with a pearl end.

Check the cam site's terms of service.

Does Coco Loco use a site or just paypal and yahoo messenger. She don't like anyone else making a dime off her chocolate ass, so I figured she went guerrilla.

I found a hidden cam at Desi's house, and it caught some dude cleaning her cunt.

i think shes been that way for awhile.

Nails fantasy?? You were offering that choco taco to him gratis, no bounced check needed. It was when he took the high road and turned it down that you went bonkers. He was there defending you on LIB, while everyone was laughing behind his back because they knew you would turn him. That is your MO with people. It is fucked up. You only give a shit about yourself, though.

His only crime was not listening to the warnings.

Notice what name is mentioned FIRST and whos is last..lol to quote the Donkey, Dance Bitch Dance....lol

Damn baby, you got a five gallon bucket of crazy poured into your half gallon head.

Who is publishing your book? Batshit Press?

Now please put a candy cane in your ass and snap a pic. It is the new Tits or GTFO.

LOL yea i guess you begging for sex all over the net was all in my head..better yet, you were just playing me so you could expose me...Dance bitch dance..


Vanessa says high

Make sure you contact the right law enforcement agency, im outside the city limits so call BCSO...


either way, your dad and your sister both suck dicks..your the only one on this board who can say a family that sux together stays together...

oops my bad, i forgot your dad left your mom for the guy across the street....LMAO

OH NO HE DIDN'T!!! YEP, YEP HE DID!
That would really help explain why she hates men, huh.

Their own words is a crazy broad's Gold Kryptonite.

Speaking of Kryptonite, it appears as though Coco Loco may have a splinter of Silver Kryptonite in her. She should visit Brainiac and have him remove it.

Foster, i bet you heard this alot growing up... Little 12 year old Alexandra in her room, practicing on her new stripper pole Santa brought, mommy at work, Daddy and Butch from across the street making strange noises listening to the song..What did he tell you again "daddy was wrestling" lol

You stupid bitch, what you dont get, we dont have to make up lies about you to make you look like a retard...you do it all yourself, you and YOUR FAMILY...you wanted to bring family into it..U should have thought about your dick sucking dad and your crack smoking hooker sister before you went that route...now their biz is TRPWL biz....

Which one is Fatti? Fattorosi?

So hateful and not very Christian of you at all. Didn't you learn from what happened to Muhammad Ali when he called Fraizer a monkey? I'm looking forward to G-d giving you Parkinsons.

Yeah, and I guess he has that DeNiro/guinea jungle fever going on. Coco Loco must hate him because she didn't get a shot at lil Fatti.

Sean, post the clip of Misty saying hi, and you'll send Monica back to the liquor store, for 2 more boxes of wine, and induce an epic meltdown in a couple hours.

Damn that Misty is a fine looking woman.

Yea, stalk Sean much?..The VB banner has been up for like 80 mins...And yes Misti is fine....One of the many who have requested My presence at AVN in a few weeks...Jerk...dude, hit me sometime Friday, ill clue you to the next move...its freakin genius...

Crazy cunt can't even get the url of her site right.

Please do let us know when the shaking from the Parkinson's kicks in. Then there will be something worth watching on your cam shows.

You need a better looking side kick than that old skank.

At least when the Parkinson's kicks in she should be able to give a better hand job

....

if any of yall wanna donate to Desi's on again off again anti porn movement this is were she gets her mail...its a great cause..And remember, its a tax write off....

We here at TRPWL beleive in the old testament..eye for an eye...So in honor of the the new year, family addys and pics all around..

Unfortunately for you foster, Desis wanna be dog groomer whore daughter is all over the net already so no surprise other then wher she lays her head..HOWEVER, your sister must of been smoking more crack when she made up her facebook password...lol TO EASY....

And im not even file abuse@host for using my kids pics, so tell desi keep em up..

Happy New Year Monica !

That's a nice double wide with awning, sweet. A little yard, too. In Florida, too!

yes, it would seem the bunny ranch paid off nicely for the foxx clan...took all that money and invested in real estate...lol

Touting your hooker experiences with Lenny is like touting some skank getting donkey punched by Steve French. Or about how honored you were to get herpes from Brandon Irons.

Any BTW, dirty cunt. Selling your body for sex and Christianity are pretty much mutually exclusive. So shut you cunt trap and just admit you are a skanky hooker who lies to make herself feel better around bedtime. That is...after some random dude had creamed your snatch.

What? What the fuck? This has to be some kind of put-on. I mean, a clearly photoshopped picture of a poorly thought-out Walgreens display is meant as a joke, right?

One of the things that I found great about your new escort-sports-lady noise is that at the bottom of the page, all of your sponsors are your and Desi's sites. My favorite is this one:

http://www.work-buddies.com/


What in the living fuck is work buddies? The name alone has me cackling in my seat.


And, as much as Desi talks nonsense and the like, I do agree with her points on sex trafficking. It's gotten so bad in certain parts of the world, that families are now trafficking their own children:




I did you the favor of spoiling the image, as I know how images of sex trafficking make you feel inside. These are the things that you are rightfully fighting against, Desi. Please do everything in your power to destroy the disgusting, shameful acts, like those shown in the above image, that the sex trafficking business has forced on our children.



Oh, and fuck off.

Hey! Mom didn't traffic the poor retard. She was undercover, rooting out the Jews and such that run the porn business.

Monnie, hon, are you really going to try to make a career of hooking to a washed up sports guy? Who you took a rubber check from? You're gold, Mon. Pure fucking gold. Don't listen to those doctors. Stay off meds. You're doing just fine without them.

I pictured Mom's hovel as yellow for some reason.

i like the fact that all the pics of desi post porn seem to be taken during porn and then photoshopped by blackula.

Who else is going to contact Walgreen's corporate office and direct them towards this gross misuse of their company trademark and image??

Hadn't thought about it, but as a Walgreens customer, I must admit I'm horribly offended. As are all my various characters on other forums.

I would be more offended if i put up a petition and i was up for 4 days and no one signed it..lol well except Coco, and even she took 3 days to do it...2 sigs down 4998 to go...LMAO the power they have...

In other words, you couldn't even find a john on NYE to sperm up your quim. Typical negro.

I still troll from time to time.

Happy New Year everyone!

First off, did anyone else read the bold part in Cobra Commander's voice?


So they're going to be selling sexual enhancers, things that are geared at IMPROVING a healthy sex life, at a store that's failing and is so chock full of old people and downgraded stock that no one shops there anymore?

There was a Walgreens in town here, in a more eccentric, *cough* homosexual part of town that had about three shelves of sex toys. No-body bitched. Walgreens is smart enough to at least target their location markets. I audited for them for 9 years, and each store is set up slightly differently based on different factors such as space limitations, local economy, local ethnicity (like how you could only get those awesome "Rap Snacks" at the black walgreens), and direct location (proximity to schools offices). One thing I can tell you is that Walgreens isn't a fucking children's hangout. But please, carry-on. Not only is it entertaining as fuck, but it makes slightly more sense than making baseless attacks on those that tried to help you with your miserable life.

Walgreens has been selling sex enhancement stuff for years. Nothing new here. Mom and Mammy are both late to the party. As usual.

This fucking loser is still around? I figured a Mexican would have knocked her up while sharing a ride to work on her 10 speed bike and she'd be serving beans, rice, and old beaten down failpussy en el barrio

Who's the guy taking a leak in the corner?

Moneeka's latest john?

Could someone who speaks Moniquesque explain to me why Whiteacre's dressed up like a (small-c) christian anti-porn crusader? Aside from the fact that the Dude's Jewish, I thought that his "crusade," if you can call it that, was lambasting Lubben for just that?

I mean, this makes as much sense as hacking 'shopping Dirty Harry's face onto that Derrick1977 guy.

No, it's a guy getting a hummer from Mammy's homo papa.

She's trying this lousy reverse-psychology thing. I think she's trying to make the point that Whitacre's grandstanding draws more attention to the industry. Thinking that anything porn has a negative stigma attached, Monica's trying to make mikey feel bad by saying that his industry stand-up attitude can only bring negative attention in the mainstream press. So basically, she's saying that he's doing harm when he thinks he's doing good? I only speak a little coco-esque, so this assessment could be entirely wrong.

Teh glamor has been gone since the mid 80's ...that what !

This is spam and you are STRONGLY advised not to reply to this or any other posting by Monica Foster. Please continue to observe this ostracism until notice of her banning or a marked increase in willingness to participate in threads instead of starting ones appropriate for PMs. Feeding her or giving her the attention she craves will cause her to feel comfortable and rip open your trashbags at night searching for food and psychiatric medications-let her learn that she's very boring by herself. Thank you, Jigaloo Johnson.

@Monica RE: last shitty photoshop, "afterall" is not a word.

Monica, could you please post 1 pic of your fine black ass for every photoshop you post? It would generate more views to this thread, with the lurkers hoping to see your money makers.

I second Jerkules' request. Your ass is the most interesting thing about you. Your cans are the second most interesting thing about you. Your thoughts and words are of no value to anyone.

Only thought she should have is, "Oh lawdy, how I gone gets all dat dick in ma mouf."

Hey Monicrap "afterall" isn't a word. Idiot.

All these cheap cartoons...lol Revenge will be sweet and swift

Bump.

It is Friday night and I long for the Fridays that included Coco's meltings. Where you at baby? I'm all alone and would be willing to pay $20 to listen to your crazy, as long as your ass is pointed towards the cam.

Also, I was looking for the Electro photoshop of Desi all hacked up. Anyone wanna help a perv out?

i like desi getting titfucked.so enthusiastic you know she loved it.

The Electro photoshop mashup night was probably the greatest Desi night ever. They were coming for her, whoever "they" were, and she was not going to survive the night. Even though she had a knife. If they'd have asked her to open a chequing account, she'd have been a goner.

I was advised that the p-shop is not a good idea to post here. something about Attorney Generals being contacted and what not. I could have sworn that I saw it here in the last few months though.

I hope I still have all the pm's from Desi scared and fretting for her life over that.

It's nice to be able to read these threads without lots of missing posts.

I think we need to talk to Steve about deleting stuff un announced. If he is going to delete accounts/posts, he should give us 12-24 hours notice, so we can screen cap.

Anywho, young Tanner is being poisoned. I think Desi could help her.

I don't see why he had to delete and couldn't just box people permanently.

Is Tanner having a heart attack?

I got no clue. I think she's in a Coco style spin cycle. She starts off ranting,



Then slips into rhyming



Now she's hungry, but won't suck dick to get a ride for food, and the dude wants to kill her. Dude probably asking her to suck dick, cause its the only way he can think of to shut her up.

I hope this at least inspires a porn board game version of Clue. Mr. Pimp in the rec room with the bong.

Attorney Generals? Please. Altho, she has Obama and both the Clintons on her side.

Mr. Pimp in the rec room with the bong with YOUR DAUGHTERS.

Dude, in the current climate, it's a wonder more shit isn't permanently deleted. Be grateful for small miracles.

Bro, shit is going down.

barry share some of what desi was talking about that night.

:dramatic chipmunk:

She's gone to the God of Immoderate Moderation, Jerky. Hail "Progress."

The way I remember it was that Electro posted the mashup, which if you didn't see it, was a very poorly done cut and paste job of Freddie Kruger cutting Mom's head off another model's body. Anyone with a better memory can fill in any holes or misrememberences (jondra from Hell, but I like it). Mom went batshit. "They" (we?) were going to kill her...that very night. A hit team was coming because of all the trouble she was causing them. This just proved it. She was hiding in her hovel, clutching a knife, sending emails to Federal government officials to come and save her from this hit team. It was one of my early days of working overnights, so I was able to follow in real time. It was a couple of years ago, so my memory probably isn't perfect.

Honesty time: While I was enjoying the meltdown, there was a nagging little part of me that wondered if she was actually going to hurt herself. Her work since has shown her to be a malignant narcissist who loves herself far too much to do any harm to herself...except her history of poor choices.

Truly an epic meltdown.

not sure if it was Freddy kruger but the rest sounds right on.

It was Jason Vorhees.

This woulda been a better tag team for Elli to participate in.




Pics are from 2009 and proof that Coco & Desi were plotting their war against porn loooong ago.

Notice MF's massive forehead. This was touched on in the tritone thread.

Who is the crack beautiful soul on the left?

i saw the freddie pic.how in the hell did she get the idea a team was gonna get her because of a photoshop?

Because she's completely fucked in the head.

I've lost track. Is the Tritone Thread still extant?

Anyone know the month/year this happened so I can look for the pm?

I don't know the month/year. I'd guess 2009-2010.

It was PROOF!!! Don't you understand? She was telling the world where the bodies were buried. She was a threat to the international porn conspiracy to pimp America's daughters. Daughters like her precious Elle. Because she didn't pimp Elle into porn. She was going undercover to investigate the porn industry.

See what happened? You asked a question, but I didn't answer it. Instead I used it as a jumping off point for a whole different line of shit. That's what dealing with her was like.

I think it was not too long after this people started talking about her on her local Yelp!, I think it was.

@Gia: Probably late 09ish. I might have some PMs about it.

It looks like July and August '09. I think that was right before her real info got out from the jobs site. Maybe after. I'd say from July 09 on.