You did nothing to me, but I am just sick of hearing about your kind of judgement. I am all for innocent until proven guilty, so the court has to decided on the matter. As far as all the allegations go, I say that 90% or the kid makes up the allegations.

You ignorant fuck...the court has decided.

@fartz..... this probably wasn't your fault. Alex battles the gay tooth and nail with every fiber of his being on a daily basis. He probably slipped up and read this thread on the three day break between his counseling sessions and lashed out. It happens.

panzer grabbed his bf and left the forum for the day.






theyre snuggling right now:

Alex is just angry that Sandusky's victims got fucked in the ass and didn't have to haggle over the price with a tranny.

Bullshit. You don't know me, or my family, so my "judgement" is irrelevent. You're just stirring the pot, which is understandable, this being XPT. You do it all the time, and not in a funny way. You're just a sad,sad shell of a human being whose dying words will be "but...but...ADT still loves me!!" Choke on a can of Chef Boyardee and die you fucking lifelong footnote.

Though not even remotely shocking, it's now official...The JoePa statue has been removed:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...rsity-crew-site


No word yet on it's ultimate fate...but it's headed for storage for now anyway.


Also not too surprisingly, Paterno's family is all upset by yet the latest development. If only Joe had made even half the effort to defend/protect Sandusky's suspected/known victim(s) when he had the opportunity, none of this would be happening to him and his legacy right now...AND more importantly Sandusky would not have been provided the opportunity to victimize who knows how many other young boys.


Next up: Tomorrow the NCAA is expected to announce corrective/punitive sanctions against Penn State.

Personally I don't expect the "death penalty"...But they smell blood, so nothing would surprise me at this point.

The NCAA should at most, issue a statement. They have no right to penalize the school or program for this shit. It's WAY outside their jurisdiction.

I doubt any will, but if they tried to punish penn state all the other member institutions should bitchslap them and threaten to form a new league. Long time coming anyway.

"Loss of Institutional Control" That gives the NCAA the right to do whatever they deem fit.

As I have heard stated on sports talk radio, they need to come down hard enough to scare other schools into never attempting this type of cover up again. That is what makes it such a heinous violation, THE COVER UP. Add to that the fact that Sandusky was allowed to continue bringing children to the campus and on trips to away games/bowl games, it makes everyone complicit in the crimes.

I'd love to know what Sandusky threatened Joe Pa and the school with to get such a sweet deal. Disclosing past violations? Past cover ups? I guess it will come up when the surviving conspirators go on trial or cut deals. I'm sure that since Joe Pa is dead, they are going to rush to throw him under the bus.

Joe Pa's family is butt hurt? Fuck them. His sons were on the staff, don't tell me they didn't know what was going on.

Is there a big colonial style building the NCAA operates out of like in "We Are Marshall"?

That sounds awesome. I suddenly have a desire to watch all of We Are Marshall. I've seen the first third or so before up to the point where the new coach starts recruiting unlikely players.

[derail]Jig, I think the latest Dirty Harry is your best av yet. Forget the last one. Forget the dude from the wire. The look on Dirty Harry's face is fucken Gold.

We now return you to your argument about dead men and the recently incarcerated pedos who'll soon be wishing they were dead.[/derail]

Fuck this shit. I've tried to stay out of this, but most of you fuckers have no idea what you are talking about. You can't even get the basic facts right.

Sandusky was investigated by state and local law enforcement in 1998. The evidence they gathered should have been enough for an indictment, but the local prosecutor and PA AG (who is now the PA governor and member of the Penn State Board of Trustees) declined to prosecute. There is absolutely no evidence that Paterno knew about the 1998 investigation. In 1999, Paterno got rid of Sandusky for reasons that had nothing to do with Sandusky's pedophilia. They hated each other and hardly spoke to each other during the last ten years of Sandusky's coaching tenure. Even if Paterno had known about the 1998 investigation, he would have believed that Sandusky had been cleared, as there was no prosecution.

Only one of Paterno's sons was on the coaching staff and he got there as Sandusky was leaving. There is no reason to believe he would have known about 1998 either.

Sandusky maintained access to Penn State facilities because he negotiated emeritus status with Penn State upon his retirement in 1999. That sort of arrangement isn't unusual at any school were a coach has spent more than 30 years as a player and senior coach. It was rumored back then that Paterno didn't want Sandusky to receive emeritus status, but that he was ignored.

In 2001, Paterno did what he should have. He reported what McQueary told him to his superiors, including the administrator who had direct oversight of the Penn State Police Dept. It has also become pretty clear since November that McQueary did not tell Paterno everything that he saw in the showers. Because of the incomplete account, it is possible that Paterno didn't fully understand that anything of a sexual nature happened. He seems to have believed that nothing more than possibly inappropriate horseplay happened. Curley and Schultz also claim that McQueary did not tell them that anything of a sexual nature happened in the showers. McQuear's testimony and public statements have been inconsistent.

The Freeh Report was commissioned by the PSU Board of Trustees (remember that the current PA governor and former AG who declined to indict Sandusky) to deflect attention to their inaction. It was meant from Day One to hang all of this on a dead man. The Freeh Report was completed with baseless accusations and unsupported opinion without Curley, Schultz, Paterno, Sandusky or McQueary being interviewed. Both McQueary and Paterno asked to be interviewed by Freeh's team, but Freeh declined. I'm not sure how Freeh produced such an extensive report without interviewing any of the key players, but he did. The report served its purpose as it hung everything on Paterno in the court of media and public opinion.

***Your argument might be more credible if you weren't making it behind an avatar of Al Jolson in blackface.

Just sayin'

I thought Jolson wrapped it up nicely.

No, that's the Trite One thread you're thinking of.

@ Nitneliun: I understand this is sensitive for you. The thread wasn't created or continued to fuck with you, and I won't do that now. Our opinions differ, and neither will change.

My only comment on your post is that they both probably hated each other because they were both narcissists.

What the fuck does my avatar have to do with the substance of my post?

Just askin'.

By the away, are you aware of the little sexual abuse of children scandal at the University of Michigan Medical Center? Are you aware of the deliberate cover up? Do you recommend that UM Medical Center and Medical School receive the death penalty?

Just askin'.

5 years probabtion, 4 year bowl ban, scholarship losses, $60million fine, and vacate all wins from 1998-2011.

I never understood the vacating wins and championships. Does this mean Joe Paterno is not the all time leader in wins now?

Yep, lil guinea is bumped from the top of the list, according to SI.com:

"With the vacated wins, former head coach Joe Paterno is no longer the most winningest head coach in NCAA football history. Of his 409 victories, Paterno has been stripped of 111 wins, putting him 12th on the all-time list with 298."

Also, Penn State signed a consent form, stating that they will not appeal.

Question for you college sports guys, is Coach K at Duke the last college sports fiefdom? Maybe the basketball coaches at Syracuse and UCon too. Are there any left in college football?

There arent any more because Schnelly retired.

Are they going to let the athletes, who want to, transfer without losing a year of their eligibility? That would be the right thing to do.

They certainly should.

If I were a player, I'd be worried that the first dipshit infraction and I'd be thrown under the bus as a demonstration of the new found strict compliance.

Paterno was shit scum:



atricle

I am not into any sports or anything but Paterno looked like a nice and caring grandpa who turned a blind eye towards all this child molestationing thing. Covering it up under the rug is a much convenient solution than addressing the allegations and doing all the tedious legwork and research, especially when his buddy Sandusky was on the crosshair.

Remind you of Grandpa Panzer?

Not at all.

Yes they are actually, immediately even, and any student/player that does so will be eligible for the upcoming season.

Furthermore, any school that accepts a Penn State football transfer will be granted an additional scholarship that it can award on a 1:1 basis.

That is good.

They should do that when coaches split for better jobs too. Just make it that the guy can't follow the coach.

Yeah, though I'm a Penn State alum...I'm not actually a Penn State fan (I had to attend a satellite campus for my major...which may have something to do with it...plus I was a lifelong Pitt fan). BUT, I always at least had a great deal of respect for Joe and all that he did. I hated him for fucking up the Pitt-Penn State rivalry...but I did actually respect him because at least he understood that his players were ultimately there for an education, and his players by and large actually graduated.

Anyway, I don't think Joe and Jerry were actually all that close...at least they weren't BFFs. I think Joe's actions, or inaction as the case may be, had more to do with protecting the image of the School in general, and more specifically the football program as a whole, than it did actually protecting Jerry. That's how I see it anyway.

Who ends up with the $60 million?

They gonna give it to charities for abused kids, I believe. They came up with the $60 million number, because it is supposed to be an estimate of the yearly gross of the football program.

You are correct...the money is going to charities for abused kids...same goes for the Bowl revenue share that amounts to $13 million that the Big Ten is taking from Penn State over the next 4 years.

As far as the $60 million dollars goes, I believe it actually has to come from revenues from revenue generating athletic programs, which at Penn State, as with most schools, would basically be from the football program. It can't come from unawarded scholarships either.

You have to put that quote into the proper context. McQueary said that he did not explicitly tell Paterno what he saw in the shower. He just basically said that he saw Sandusky showering with a kid. At that point, Paterno did not know that anything of a sexual nature had happened.

McQueary, at best, has been inconsistent in his descriptions of what he saw and heard that night. Even the Sandusky trial jury did not give a lot of credence to McQueary account of the incident. Sandusky was acquitted on 3 of the 48 charges. One of those three charges was sexual assault of the boy that McQueary saw in the shower with Sandusky.

I am almost positive the athletes will be allowed to change schools with no penalty.

@Nitne: I grew up in state college, fuck that guy for making the town clogged with retards every weekend in the fall.

The Cult of Paterno my ass. I hope someone hangs his wife from a tree and burns down his house. Did you graduate from State College High School?

Remember, Joe kept quite so as not to ruin "anyone's weekend"

Wouldn't it be nice if that was a joke?


So please tell me all about the Football cult and how you grew up in State College.

My pet peeve on RV forums. You mean "quiet".

Huh Chuck?

Ahh yes I meant quiet. My mistake, nice looking out.

Sandusky and Paterno should have been strung up. Oh well, 50% can still happen.

I actually misspoke slightly earlier...

Evidently the $60 million fine is going towards establishing an endowment for victims of child sex abuse.

Hooray! A new non profit. So, after setting up the foundation account so the non profit can live on the interest, and after the "administrative" costs, almost 1% of that 60mil will end up helping victims of child sex abuse. CEO's aircraft carrier sized desks with secret built in fridges don't come free. Go capitalism.

New Penn St. motto


We are (clap clap, clap clap clap) fucked.

I didn't grow up in State College. I went to grad school there. Was there only two years.

Without those retards coming to town every weekend during the fall, you wouldn't have even had a town. State College would just be a shittier version of Bellefonte.

Speak for yourself. I didn't move to the shitty town because it was my choice, you did. If it weren't for the retards who move to State College (I'm looking at you) you are right, there would be no town. And was certainly smart enough to live there after age 18.

Bellefonte is a rather pleasant place to live. No stampeding hoards of retards worshiping a game.

And you missed but got my point at the same time. Much better to live in Bellefonte. They don't have traditional summer riots. Or riots over university employes being fired. Give me Bellefonte any day.

Bellefonte is a small town in PA. State College is a town filled with entitled little brats who have no respect for the place and get recycled with new idiots every year. Oh yeah and it now has cameras on every street corner. Great place to live.

You might remember back to the 1850s when PSU was an agriculture school not an athletics school. It should have stayed that way.


These are everywhere in State College. Bellefonte is much better.



Look how PSU displays it's impressive intellect:


Did this happen because of stupid PSU students or peaceful Bellfonte residents? I can't seem to tell...

I saw a quote in the NY Daily News that Paterno's family said the penalties against PSU disparage his legacy. NEWS FLASH: His legacy is shit because of his own inaction, not because of anything the NCAA did. Delusional they are. I figure his narcissist ways pretty much Stokholmed the family, or they are in desperation mode, fearing the laws suits will make momma homeless, and destroy any inheritance.

And yet, today Sandusky Victim #4 made a statement through his attorney that he is pissed off that the NCAA sanctioned Penn State. He knows where the real blame lies -- and it lies with the guy who is awaiting sentencing in the Centre Country jail.