Its about fucking time. Glad its finally over.

After all that... we should know who the girl is that pissed them off!

Tell you what.

Send this thread to some of the 'new girls' at the top 10 major porn studios. If 'that girl' decides to respond to it, it's up to her.

We aren't going to 'out' her, it wouldn't be fair.

But if you do happen to find her, which may be a longshot, please tell her this:

Please tell her we said, "Yeah, we're really fucking pissed off at you. What we just watched you do in your latest release was PAINFUL and TRAUMATIZING and SCARED THE FUCK out of us. However, underneath it all, both of us are truly CONCERNED about you, and we would really like to know that you are okay."

"...and by the way- no- Mike doesn't 'think he's perfect', as you said when you screamed at him in his Jeep."

"In fact, he is still stupid enough to think you are a wonderful girl, will eventually make the right choices, and are NOT meant to be HURT and obviously IN PAIN like you were in your latest release."

"Please- don't try to tell us that didn't hurt."

Good luck in your 'investigative reporting'.

Michael

Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Tony...

Our problem, we guess, is that we give a shit.

Take a look at Scott Fayner's article on lukeford.com, titled "Disturbing, ain't it?"

His point of view on that particular girl in his article is very similar to ours with the one we are talking about.

This isn't the same industry that it was just a few years ago.

A few years ago, girls got paid to have sex on camera, and you could tell that many of them actually enjoyed it.

Tons of girls got together with a couple of guys in scenes, and people were SMILING, and truly ENJOYING having sex on camera.

Man do we miss that.

But now...

...everything is about PAIN.

I don't get off on pain. Neither does my wife.

I have talked privately with a number of girls in the industry.

These girls are now on pain-killers, and have had to go to the hospital after their shoots, in which the things they did made them bleed from both the vagina and the anus.

But- did they 'agree' to do the things they did on camera?

Yes, they did.

Are they self-proclaimed 'whores'?

Yes, they are.

However, one thing that is missing here in these girls lives is the notion of FUTURE.

When you are raised without a father, in a fucked up home, with a mom that ain't there, and moms' boyfriend, who uses you, at ages 11 to 15 as a blow-up fuck doll- you just don't give a shit.

In fact, mom may be behind pimping you out, since she secretly hates the fact that you are now, as a teenager, pretty than she is.

Thus, engaging in rough sex, that is, sex rough enough to send you to the hospital- is no big deal.

It's a suicide. It's a slow, extended suicide.

If the porn climate was not so rough, and we were still watching movies where threesomes were cool, that is, with two girls and a guy, I probably wouldn't be complaining.

But it seems that all the men want today is to watch a girl get hurt.

It's like watching prison sex, where dudes gang up on the new guy to make him their bitch, and try their best to make him bleed.

However, since that is the demand, the industry is simply responding to that demand.

Hell, maybe some of you people in here even hate what you have to do, and are simply doing it to put food on your plates.

Maybe some of you wish you could return to simply shooting sex on camera- sex that doesn't damage people for life, like Scott Fayner so eloquently wrote about.

A lot of the pressure to make 'Rape and Hate Porn', as I like to call it, obviously comes from societal conditions.

Let's face it- unless you happen to live on the coast of California, in a rich area, like we do...

...chicks are FAT. FAT, FAT, FUCKING FAT.

So when you finally find that one skinny, in shape white girl, it's like finding a needle in a haystack. And usually, she's underage.

It didn't used to be that way.

Problem is, since there are so few skinny, hot lookin white girls- unless you live on the coast- that when you find that needle in a haystack...she's already been offered money for sex, drugs for sex, and exposed to coke and speed and everything else- by age 14.

That's fucked up, but that's the way things are.

Therefore, there are an overabundance of guys out there, who are not as fat as the girls, who are stuck being the 'leftover salmon' after the mating season.

Guys get pissed off when the only hot chick they meet turns out to be a whore, because, by age 14, she has already been offered things girls where never offered just a few years ago.

So, what do the 'leftover salmon' do?

They go to the internet, and order movies in which a girl gets 'violated' on camera. And they enjoy watching her in pain, because it helps to sooth their anger.

If girls weren't so fucking fat all across the country, I'm positive this trend wouldn't be happening.

Since there would be a better selection of skinny, hot looking white girls, there we be a lot less anger, and a lot less demand for violent porn.

The other issue is the drugs people are doing today.

The popular drugs of today simply enhance the anger already felt by so many of today's fatherless, nearly motherless, young women.

These drugs simply accelerate the extended suicides.

Like I said in my previous post, I can't really be mad at people in the industry for what is going on today. They are simply responding to demand.

However, when you watch someone you know go into this, and you witness what we just witnessed on dvd-

-a good friend of ours TRYING to look like she's excited, TRYING to look like she's enjoying what's happening to her-

-and then you catch those moments in between, where her face turns to HORROR, and she is obviously TERRIFIED and you can see she realizes she is in WAY OVER HER HEAD-

...when you witness this, it leaves you traumatized.

Before, we were just heartbroken.

Now, we are truly traumatized.

And scared for her.

Very, very scared.

This industry is going to kill someone before there is a correction.

Mark my words- that is what will have to happen.

Someone is going to DIE, on camera, while shooting one of these HORRIFIC scenes.

That is what it will take.

And when the tape is played back, before we see the poor girl pass out, and begin to bleed to death on the set...

...we will hear her screaming, "Oh yes, oh yes, I love it, give it to me"...and acting as though she really enjoys it.

From that, we will all conclude that she wasn't in pain, that she was consenting, and that none of us should feel any guilt at all about her on camera death.

Like it or not, this is where all of this new wave of 'Rape and Hate Porn' is going...unless the industry decides to regulate itself, and dodge the bullet.

Sadly, I don't see that happening.

So, Tony, I guess those are our 'problems'.

I do thank you for not censoring my posts on here, and I think you are a strong advocate of free speech, and I applaud you for that.

We are heartbroken, we are scared, and we are sad.

Like I said before, my anger caused me to act irrationally, creating this ad, and almost dragging my wife into this horrible, horrible industry. Thank God I woke up.

We are seriously thinking about never watching porn again, or at least waiting until happiness and joy return to it.

I guess I'm old school, and I guess my wife is too.

You are free to tell me I am full of shit, or crazy, but like I said...

...for this current trend to change...

...someone is going to have to die.

And we pray, to a God that is merciful and kind, that the victim is not the girl we used to know.

I still have a heart, and I intend to keep it.

Hate me as you will.

Michael

When you fall off the soapbox, I hope you hit your head.

Its hard to even shovel through your post for any rhyme or reason. Your stating the obvious and the fact that your a narcissistic maniac only makes it more entertaining.

Not all porn is 'hate porn' as you so aptly put it; and when I said 'hateplow' I was quoting out of context a erik everyhard term. Check out studio A from Andrew Blake. I am not a fan, but it might be up your alley. And the women are gorgeous; albeit the action is far from hardcore.


As for death on camera, more people will die from football this year than porn, since I think the death toll for fucking on camera sits at ZERO. Logically, in your PC world of kindness, you REALLY should go picket/boycott the entire world of football for promoting violence, injury, death, and paralysis.


Everyone in porn is a victim,women outside of LA are fat, porn used to be better. OKAY!!! We got the gist of your amazing hypothesis on porn; the question is, did you change your mind about making porn or did your wife do it FOR you; seems you just lost the backbone of your initial post with your brags and boasts when she lost interest in the subject. Grow some balls and make the porn you claim you can do so well....

I edited this post because it contained a really good idea...

...an idea that we are going to run with.

Tell you more later.

Michael

porn is not about hurting girls, i'm against that but it is all about degrading girls but only in a good way!

Ladies and gentlemen...

We have just been offered...

Are you sitting down for this?

A TELEVISION SHOW.

Yes, you heard it right.

A TELEVISION SHOW.

I am not at liberty to discuss this right now, but this is truly amazing.

We still haven't signed a contract yet, so we are still listening to offers.

Wow.

Maybe this ad did work after all?

We'll see.

When you all find out out who made the offer, you will be stunned.

Stay tuned.

Maybe dreams really do come true.

Like I said...we are still listening to offers, so if you've got a better one...let it rip.

We are in shock.

Michael

No one cares.If you were offered a show,sign the damn contract and proves us wrong.

How do I kill this thread?

Can anyone tell me?

Does Tony have to do it?

Tony, can you please kill this thread?

Michael

I just wanted to give you props for finding your wife when you were 26 and she was 16 (?) She never really had a chance to experience adult life outside of you. What a great idea for a TV show. You use a chick for ten years to get laid, then you use her to TRY to get into porn, now you CLAIM that you are getting a TV show. I am entirely convinced that this girl of yours can't read or type OR really isn't too thrilled about your posts here. Prove me wrong, let her grab the keyboard. I know, she is Mrs. Business Degree Success story and thinks we all hate women. Actually we dislike you Michael Mike Molester of Minors; this has nothing to do with your imaginary wife (does she even exist?) How does a 26 yr old even meet a 16 year old? Where you one of those retards who work at the mall movie theate or possibly you cruised around in a lowrider at high schools offering to do a keg party at your 'pad.' Maybe you just met her and 'fell in love' with the idea that she had no fucking adult mind yet and you could ride her for a couple of years before she figures you out. I think your posts here show you for the ego moron, porno wannabe that you really are.

THUS< YOU WANT THIS POST CLOSED SO THAT YOUR LITTLE LIFE CAN GO ON WITHOUT BEING REMINDED OF WHAT A LOSER YOU ARE>

See you in AOL teen chat; I am sure you will be there fishing for more of the '300' girls you have screwed. First you show the pic of your girl, then you slip em the GHB while they ride around in your convertible 89' Chrysler Le Baron.

The Tv show he will be on is called "Cops".I saw the preview the other night.It's a 60 min. special about internet predators who lure minors into a life of sexual abuse.

Ah...

So this is what it's really about...

You people think I 'took advantage' of some stupid, naive 16 year old girl...

Interesting.

Well, none of you could be further from the truth.

I think what you are really suffering from is the shock of learning that someone found us interesting, and provocative.

Forgive me Jeff, but isn't being 'interesting' and 'provacative' what sells tapes and dvds?

Now you are all backtracking, trying to create reasons why you ignored me in the first place, now that someone sees potential for a very interesting story, about two very interesting people.

What you will learn, when our show debuts, is that your preconceived notions about Mike 'taking advantage' of his wife as a teen- are all completely wrong.

Of course, we, and the producers of the show, will look forward to garnering ratings from you, which will get the advertising paid, and give us nice hefty checks.

To take all of your notions of me being some pervert who abuses his wife, and who 'molests' people...and to dump those ideas in the trash where they belong...

...I look forward to this.

The key to this post was getting interest, in order to get a job.

This goal was achieved.

What YOU people may have learned is that you let your egos get in the way of signing a very lucrative business opportunity.

It's ironic as Hell, and I think you just have to laugh.

A guy who runs a company whose motto is 'Whores Degraded Daily' is calling me, a guy in a happy 9 year marriage, who doesn't cheat on his wife, or 'abuse' her in any way...

This guy is calling me a pervert, and a molester.

Wow.

I guess that's just what happens when your ego gets in the way of seizing a great business opportunity.

You come up with excuses like that, I guess.

Anyways, I guess no one is going to close this thread, even though it isn't useful anymore.

Hell, I don't know, maybe it's a good read.

It sure is dramatic.

You've got lost love, a man struggling to make sense of things and coming to terms with them, anger, humor, sadness, heck, I guess it could make an interesting play too...

I'm not 'ashamed' of this thread at all.

They can leave it on here until I run for office in the later 2000's, if they want.

What it shows is a man learning things by asking questions, and learning to define his direction by the responses he gets.

We never learn, unless we ask. Asking can make us look foolish. Looking foolish helps us grow.

If all goes well, and we don't get stiffed in the negotiations, we should be able to make an announcement soon.

However, like I said a million times, a thing done wrong simply isn't worth doing.

Thus, if the TV show contract isn't what we want, we will walk away from that too.

We will be 'pimped' by no one.

If it does go through, and you get to hear my wife speak, which all of you will tune in to hear...

...you will have your preconceived notions turned on their heads.

No one who meets us, and gets to know us, thinks of us, or me, the way you guys do.

But hey, I guess coming up with excuses after the fact is human.

In reality, you let us get away, and that bothers you.

When this thread grows to over 2,000 views, maybe you'll see what I mean. We could have made you some money, ya dorks...you just let your anger at me, for refusing to be 'pimped'- get in the way.

Michael

You don't answer questions; I re-read all your posts and did not notice before the age discrepancy in your tales. Your a disgusting yetti who fucked a kid and is STILL riding her for your own means. The reason your post has gotten so much attention is because you are a fucking tool.


Its creepy how into yourself you are. You use third person references and really have created quite a mysterious alternate reality that from your posts appears to be in your mind and not based in any real terms. Name the porn chick, name the studios that were interested in your wife, name the TV show. You can't, you won't; you are a schizo and have some extreme delusions of grandeur. Plus you fucked a 16 year old when you where 26. So, you sir making judgements on porn and those that watch it is quite humorous. And still, no remarks from your 'wife.' The one that doesn't exist, the one that probably isn't allowed to read your emails, the one that has been controlled by you since her teen years. I feel sorry for her for being in a relationship with a mongrel shitface like you.

She would be well advised to leave you if only she really existed...

And on another note; please stop double spacing your posts. Its annoying.

Note to P Knuckle:

Age of Consent, State of Nevada: 16.

Age of Legal Marriage, State of Nevada, with written consent from Parent or Guardian: 16.

Legal marriage, legal sex.

You're just jealous, that's all.

Interesting law in Nevada, though.

You're allowed to sleep with a 16 year old- with consent- and can marry one with a parent or guardians consent, but you aren't allowed to video or photograph them in 'sexual situations' until they are 18.

No, we never broke the law. I bet that just burns your ass, don't it?

Concerning my wife, and why she doesn't write on here: it's because she doesn't want to.

After the first offers of 'triple facials, but no swallowing', and 'bukkakes with black men'- she told me she had "no interest at all" in writing to people who obviously need to get off by watching a woman get hurt, degraded, or worse.

If you disagree with her not wanting to talk to all of you, think about those 'offers' we got when we first came on here.

We told you what we wanted, and didn't want.

Yet, it wasn't good enough, rough enough, or nasty enough for all of you.

From her point of view, all of you are so jaded, so far removed from real feelings and emotions, that having normal sexual relations bore you. That is, if you can have them without having to pay for them, or using coke and Viagra to get it up.

Here is a direct quote from my wife:

"These guys don't want to watch just a girl having sex. They don't want a girl getting into the business who isn't a whore and won't sell herself to anyone or fuck everyone in the world to get a part. I'm not doing that. Having sex on camera is one thing, being a prostitute is another. Let them watch their prostitutes on camera and try to forget the realities of their lives- STD's, broken relationships, drugs, and alcoholism. If they don't want to see a girl who still has morals, fine. I like sex, I like girls too, but I won't be a prostitute. Leave that to the girls at Vivid with Steve Hirsch, or that guy that runs World Modeling. I'm not getting pimped out so I have to go out with Sinbad. Fuck that man. I wathched that Howard Stern show too, you know."

So now, you can take it up with her...my abused, out of control, mislead, brainwashed wife.

LOL.

We have made up nothing. We never do. You just hate what we've told you because it seems too good to be true.

That's fine. We've been told that before.

As far as naming people, I'll be happy to name the producers of the TV show as soon as it goes through.

But as for the girl we knew, that we won't do.

She may not want to say she knew us. She may not want to be identified. She may want to get out of the business and not want people to know who she is. And most importantly, she didn't ask to be identified. As much as we hate what she's doing, she didn't ask to be revealed.

Plus, with all the attention this post is getting, we'd only be giving her free advertising, doing something we disagree with, if we told you who she was. We don't plan on supporting her behavior. We also don't plan on 'getting in' to get her back, or save her. It's her life, and her decision.

Now, why don't you go watch some Whores Get Degraded, and stop calling me names.

My wife thinks that's funny.

She just threw a wad of paper at me, and told me to stop picking on you.

I'm going to be a good abuser/molester/monster- and do what she says.

See ya.

Michael

this guy sounds like hamilton steele. look how big of a porn star he is.

i just now found this thread and must

say when read in one sitting,

is funnier than shit. The guys a fake,

the wife is fake... i could care less.

if they wanna come shoot some nice couple

content trade for free im all for it but shes gonna have

to get down and dirty if she thinks she could have ever

been a porn star of even a smidgeon of jennas ilk.

As it is you do have to pay dues. Kiss ups like im sure you are in real life get it in one way or another karma wise... take your TV show and go have fun. I've been on Tv almost a dozen times in my life and its no big deal,(NO not on COPS haha) in fact its just porn with better equipment. so put up or shut up OC. sucks anyway. go shop or something.
(christ even I got tired of trying to double space that crap.. later.........not

Wow.

We are found out.

Yes, it's true.

I am a fake, and my wife is a fake.

Can we kill this thread now?

Tony?

Help?

Michael

yes, let her take the Bukkake offer that will determine if she has what it takes to be in the business, and let her husband be the last to jizz.

I'm almost ready to announce the documentary that will be shot on us, in which my wife and I will STAR.

Negotiations are going very well.

Stay tuned. We should start shooting in October, and it will include our entire lives.

It is being shot by an award winning, well known filmmaker too, which is fantastic. See, I wasn't lying. Someone really likes us.

You guys will like us too, even though you act like you hate us, when you finally meet us in your dvd player.

I should make an announcement soon, and if all goes well, y'all will get to know us by Christmas.

Whatever happened to this dumb piece of shit?

I think he finally fulfilled his destiny and killed himself.

I drove him crazy enough to leave us the fuck alone. WOOHOO he's gone.

its not bad because I dont think that's possible. LOL

He got lonely because his blow-up doll,I mean "his hot wife" is no more.
www.exquisitemenu.com

Either that or his mommy grounded him from the computer.

TV star for one night in a documentary. Ooooo.

Completely delusional.

Okay, look...this stupid thread needs to die.

This post was created a long, long time ago by me...

...and I was completely wrong.

I don't want to go into the porn industry- ever.

My wife doesn't want to go into the porn industry- ever.

The risk of becoming infected with the following diseases have led my wife and I to realize that the porn industry is NOT SAFE.

STD'S YOU CAN GET FROM DOING PORN MOVIES, SINCE THEY ONLY TEST ONCE A MONTH:

AIDS - Which can KILL YOU

HERPES - Which can make you break out in nasty, bleeding, pus-filled sores each month, even if you spend a lot of money on medication, and can be transmitted to your CHILD through BIRTH and can also be transmitted WITHOUT ANY VISIBLE SORES...

SYPHILLIS - Which can cause you to go insane, lose your hair, and KILL YOU

CHLAMYDIA - Which can make both men and women STERILE...

HEPATITIS C - Which Pam Anderson has. Yes, Hep C can A) Kill You and B) Cause you to lose your liver. By the way, if it's fucked up, YOU MAY SOON NEED A NEW ONE!

Since I haven't noticed liver donors lining the streets lately, it might be a good idea NOT TO GET HEPATITIS C.

Should I go on?

Anyway, this stupid thread needs to die.

If you have read this thread, you have witnessed a man LEARNING something important BEFORE he jumped into something that could have really, really hurt him, and his wife.

Thank God I learned.

Notice how many of these folks warned me before I jumped into this...

Exactly NONE.

This thread needs to die...for real...and forever.

If DAY OF SHOOT TESTING with VERIFIABLE RESULTS ever comes along, maybe we'll change our minds.

If you happen to be interested in getting into porn, and you're 18 years old, and female...

Please remember this:

NO ONE IN PORN WILL PAY FOR YOUR MONTHLY PRESCRIPTIONS FOR THE STD YOU GOT ON A PORN SHOOT.

Instead, they will simply 'kick you out' of the industry...

With no benefits...

...and no long term help...

...and they will LAUGH AT YOU on this board.

If you happen to be 18, female, and hot...

Do yourself a favor:

GO TO COLLEGE, AND FIND A CAREER TO GET INTO THAT WON'T FUCK YOU UP FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.

If you don't believe me...

Young ladies...

Please go to MTV, find the 'True Life' site, and look for the name of this former performer, who now has AIDS, is living HOMELESS in Hawaii, and has NO MEDICAL COVERAGE as a result of getting infected during a shoot on an adult movie...

'Brook Ashley'

'Nuff said.

Thank God I took the time to check this out first.

If you happen to already have an STD, porn may be just fine for you. If not...

Please heed my warning.

Good luck.

The Outsider
(Name created from the title of a fantastic song by a band called 'A Perfect Circle'...hint, hint)

I had nothing to do on a freezing, New York Friday evening in March, and I have read this entire thread. It doesn't seem the Outsider has learned a thing. "Thank God I took the time to check this out first." is his quote. He never checked ANYTHING out. He was 100% sure that Brandon Iron or Steve Holmes or Jules Jordan was going to come beat down his door to shoot him and his wife.

I forget who asked it early in the thread, but the "how much is her rate for a bukkake" was a LEGITIMATE question. If he had no answer, there was no way they should have even considered the jiz biz. Be ready to do all.

Clueless.

damn this dude the outsider, represents 10 different personalities on this board. hes got some good points and shit but he needs to stick to being one person haha

so was there ever a consensus on who the outsider was? i may have missed his unveiling, but if not i've got a decent idea of who he is if people care.

timing and obsessiveness work

Myload
Senior Member


2228 Posts
6/03
Posted - Oct 25 2003 : 09:30:21 AM Show Profile Email Poster Edit Message Reply w/QuoteDiscomusic.com. I post there as "Outsider". That's my internet alias at every message board I've posted at except this one. As for sex-related websites, I mainly post at this one, though I visit the Yahoo groups from Selena Silver, Victoria Givens, and Amee Donovan.

I found out about this site (ADT) because another regular at Discomusic.com told me about it. I thank him a lot for that.

discomusic.com, he fits the profile of a disco fag.

gracias. it's gotta be him, that's too much to be coincidence.

In my meatholes I talk about how I had quit the board cause i hated outsider to much haha

Thank you Dear Leader for rooting out the imperialist homo-poster, and also for making the sun come up.

First post, but I've been reading the forum for a while, just came across this post (excuse the pun) Don't think that lad Myload is The Outsider though. Have a look at these posts:

http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39398&FORUM_ID=5&CAT_ID=1&m=&reply=298119#post298119

http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24499&FORUM_ID=6&CAT_ID=3&m=&reply=158867#post158867

and

http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=40655&FORUM_ID=5&CAT_ID=1&m=&reply=302116#post302116

he speaks about his fiancé and how they're not swingers. Also he's not pompous and doesn't start a new line for every sentence

Sorry for debunking the other guy's detective work.

This thread is funny as fuck though

hey, we've got a confession of guilt. you've also gotta figure the guy turned the outsider into a comical projection of what he thought was cool. he had like 50 different jobs, including teaching college english which was comedy. everything the guy wrote was about the importance of money and education when it's patently obvious he was full of it to those familiar with both. he started out wanting to do porn, probably claimed to be a top-gun pilot, then became the concerned champion of wayward pornsluts.

he was such a constantly-evolving product of fantasy and imagination i don't think you can assume there's any connection to the poster's real life. there aren't that many users between here and adt who post more than once, maybe a few hundred who post as much as either of the accounts did. that's a pretty small community to have more than one "the outsider" posting during the same time frame. plus, it's funny to accuse people of stuff.

wow, reading this thread has almost been a hobby. this outsider, whoever he is, is a fuckhead, and whatever his main goal from starting it, made him and his whore wife look dumb and misinformed. god, this is the first thread i have read that continues from last year. is this common??

thought this was due a bump, if only cos the guy is posting under another name now