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#504472 - 02/24/11 02:04 PM
The 5th Beatle
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"You're asking me will my love grow
I don't know, I don't know
Stick around and it may show
But I don't know, I don't know."
-- Something, The Beatles
" Yes...yes it will. Just keep going."
-- Brandon Iron
Link to Something: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzkhOmKVW08
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#504473 - 02/24/11 02:39 PM
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I DON"T UNDERSTAND THIS, IS IT WRITTEN IN CANADIAN?
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#504477 - 02/24/11 06:11 PM
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i cannot fucking stand the beatles, tried to appreciate them but they were just lucky to have hit the airwaves at the moment they did. it's fundamentally chick music, songwriting and heavy vocals over pretty average, sappy playing. take revolution, sappy guitar and some disortion with paul's cooing little voice singing of protest. of course EVERYONE was into half-understanding protests of something at that point, but lyrically it's milquetoast as fuck and you can't be that pissed at anything if the vocals sound like some gilbert and sullivan flamer singing. that angry and passionate for vocals.
i mean, they give me a headache, but compare zach de la rocha being apprised of something and clearly pissed to the beatle's manager saying "hey boys, don't you think a vague song of displeasure with the status quo would make a killer single?"
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#504478 - 02/24/11 06:38 PM
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I would argue that if it weren't for the milquetoast, there would never have been a de la rocha, a clash, or even a street fighting man. It would have been strictly pat boone and not the metal version. Shit evolves.
Sadly, shit also devolves, and the rage is sorely lacking. Not just in music, but across the board. Even with the pornography. It's been far too long since shit-talking blowhards on the internet could expect to have their heads repeatedly smashed into streetlights.
Of course, history is cyclical, and events in London and North Africa might offer a glimmer of hope.
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#504479 - 02/24/11 08:45 PM
Re: The 5th Beatle
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if heartbreak hotel worked, they would have found another paul and john that they basically did in the stones. people are either one of each, the beatles didn't have the american black influence from the blues and improvisation required to play it meant they were songs. not awful, unprofessional ones, but just really predictable and i hate too much piano and vocals.
billy joel and paul are too close to the same piano/singer guy-the piano should be used sparingly in rock music because we all know how bad they are compared to recording classical guys and it's comic. it's just the fact they overmike some tool crooning playing a piano which is the same as if he just got up on stage and jerked off in terms of possessing a sense of humility and decorum. strings can sound a million different ways and all good depending who's playing a piece-concert cellists and violinists don't just get to hit keys fast, they have to play fast and then they're free to make each note and chord sound like their own. ergo, you can't get away with a rock band without at least 2/3 guitars/bass guys being fucking good.
most lyrics are pretty banal, go read one of the hundreds of bronte sisters if you're looking for words put together with some degree of art. a good rock song played instrumentally should still sound good.
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#504480 - 02/24/11 08:49 PM
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For the era and the "jondra"/genre of music, I always preferred others including Simon and Garfunkel over the Beatles.
I've been all in with Nanker Phelge from the get-go, though, and that's where my loyalties lie.
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#504482 - 02/24/11 08:57 PM
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Also, I could post or flood this board with clever and better lyrics than anything Lennon penned, set to music, all written by Indies no one ever heard of or cares about. It's timing and marketing and the times they are a changing.
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#504483 - 02/24/11 09:02 PM
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The Beatles are The Beatles because of George Martin. Without his production techniques, they're in the same class as The Kinks.*
*Not that The Kinks aren't awesome, but they are rightly not considered "the greatest ever" by most so-called experts.
EDIT: And the Stones are better than The Beatles in every way that matters. 
Edited by Random (02/24/11 09:03 PM)
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#504484 - 02/24/11 09:07 PM
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billy joel and paul are too close to the same piano/singer guy-the piano should be used sparingly in rock music because we all know how bad they are compared to recording classical guys and it's comic.
Agreed in the main, but let's not forget Jerry Lee Lewis, who arguably had "more Elvis in him" than Elvis.
Sure they were overhyped, but I still think many better bands wouldn't have gotten their shot without them. It may be, as you said, because they were in the right place at the right time, but the fact remains.
As for Nanker/Phlege? 
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The Beatles are The Beatles because of George Martin. Without his production techniques, they're in the same class as The Kinks.*
*Not that The Kinks aren't awesome, but they are rightly not considered "the greatest ever" by most so-called experts.
Agreed. But it was still a far cry better than the schlock that was being churned out previously.
Edited by J.B. (02/24/11 09:10 PM)
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#504485 - 02/24/11 09:15 PM
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Anyway, we could go on for days about which band was bigger, badder or better. The only guy who has really been on point in this thread is BDM, because this thread only exists to feed Brandon's ego.
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#504487 - 02/25/11 09:59 AM
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I'm not a huge Beatles fan, but what they did do was to continually evolve. Over a short period of time. To have gone from a "yeah yeah yeah" band to some pretty groundbreaking stuff in less than a decade. By groundbreaking I'm not saying good, because a lot of it was junk...the White Album is just bad. But as a band they took a lot of chances and remained commercially viable. Throw into it that they basically stopped touring in what, 65 or 66, but still sold a shitton of records. They obviously had something going on, even if it was just the "it" factor.
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#504488 - 02/25/11 01:00 PM
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^^^^^^
Yes, they did evolve, to their credit but as a previous poster mentioned it was George Martin who was the impetus for that evolution. The Beatles became a pretty solid psychedelic/concept album band, but they weren't the first or the best in that jondra. Listen to the Moody Blues' "Days of Future Passed" from 1967 and it becomes clear that The Beatles were far behind the curve and would never have caught up with the White Album and Sgt. Pepper's had it not been for Martin.
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#504491 - 02/25/11 02:45 PM
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Chacun a son gout, Brandon. My favorite rock moment was when Moonie almost deafened Townshend with those additional firecrackers at the end of the My Generation performance on the Smothers Brothers. Bet that most of the young whippersnappers here don't even remember those good ole days.
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#504492 - 02/25/11 03:06 PM
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Has anyone checked out The Beatles' LOVE in Las Vegas at The Mirage? I found it really enjoyable. Cirque Du Soleil performers interpreting the music. It's good!
Cirque Du Soleil? Debbie Reynolds musicals??? What's going on here, BI?
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#504495 - 02/25/11 03:19 PM
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yesterday while watching e news it dawned on me why brandon keeps making these threads.hes trying to keep himself on our minds in hopes we might actually buy his porn.in the teaser they mentioned a shocking guest invited to the royal wedding.fucking first thing that pops into my head is brandon(no homo).i guess this is cheaper that advertising in avn.
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#504497 - 02/25/11 03:26 PM
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frank you spent part of your formative years here, yes?. this isnt a shot at you i just want to say that you might want to go see someone about that. its not a sign of weakness when its your idea to get help.
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#504498 - 02/25/11 03:43 PM
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yesterday while watching e news it dawned on me why brandon keeps making these threads.hes trying to keep himself on our minds in hopes we might actually buy his porn.in the teaser they mentioned a shocking guest invited to the royal wedding.fucking first thing that pops into my head is brandon(no homo).i guess this is cheaper that advertising in avn.
While no straight man will buy porn based on the male performer, many will not buy certain porn based on the repugnance of a particular male performer. The free market has spoken.
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#504499 - 02/25/11 03:43 PM
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IMO Brandon is here for much the same reasons the rest of us are, interest in porn, whether as a consumer or performer. Lou; in the desert of 1960s American popular culture the Smothers Brothers were an oasis. OTOH imagine how bad things were in the 50s, 40s , 30s etcetera. 
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#504500 - 02/25/11 03:54 PM
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I know all about the free market, have2cit. All porn is free in this market. All of it.
I am first and foremost a fan. I watched movies way before I ever thought of trying to be in them. I paid ridiculous rental rates for VHS titles with Candy Evans back in the 80s. $25 each, I kid you not. It was from a place that had them when nobody else did. I duped "Wild Weekend" because it had my favourite stars (Ginger Lynn, Summer Breeze, Susan Hart). It's late on Sunday night on my career's wild weekend and I most definitely don't want to go to work in the morning. Who does?
I will continue to enjoy the work of others long after I put out my last dvd.
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#504501 - 02/25/11 04:14 PM
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You just tell yourself whatever you need to in order to keep enabling your addiction. When you do hit the bottom, please do the world a favor, go quietly, and go alone. Don’t be that selfish mope, m’kay?
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#504503 - 02/25/11 04:53 PM
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We are all in the category as Brandon with respect to porn, save that he actually lived the dream and rose above mope level to boot. Most importantly, he has posted here without pretense and with good humor. The sad thing is that some folks see poison as the only antidote to ADT fanboi-ishness. Seem to recall hearing something back in my school days about The Golden Mean (was "never too much" an Aristotelean term?). We could use some of that around here some of these days.
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#504505 - 02/25/11 05:27 PM
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I always viewed The Beatles more as the greatest pop band, but not a hard-edged rock band like The Who or The Stones. But IMO they were great at that genre, and would cite the following as evidence of their pop greatness; Eleanor Rigby, Norwegian Wood, the entire Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album, most of the "white album", Paperback Writer, Lady Madonna, I Am The Walrus, The Fool on the Hill, Get Back, Hey Jude, and Let It Be for starters. To paraphrase Barry, this music was organically and intrinsically part of those times.
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#504507 - 02/25/11 05:46 PM
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Just a guy who enjoyed those tunes back when I were but a wee lad. My musical abilities are practically nil.
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#504508 - 02/25/11 06:13 PM
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I always viewed The Beatles more as the greatest pop band, but not a hard-edged rock band like The Who or The Stones. But IMO they were great at that genre, and would cite the following as evidence of their pop greatness; Eleanor Rigby, Norwegian Wood, the entire Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album, most of the "white album", Paperback Writer, Lady Madonna, I Am The Walrus, The Fool on the Hill, Get Back, Hey Jude, and Let It Be for starters. To paraphrase Barry, this music was organically and intrinsically part of those times.
Seriously, is there a hookier song than She Loves You?
Speaking for me, I used to be a savant when it came to music, but I was never much of a player. I was the guy with longest hair and the PA, so I was qualified to "sing". But I was/ am a huge music fan.
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#504509 - 02/25/11 06:17 PM
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I am barely old enough to remember the sensation of Beatlemania, and always associate it with She Loves You, but I was more into the Beatles of the Revolver/Sgt. Pepper era. Just a matter of personal taste. Objectively, She Loves You, Love Me Do, Hard Day's Night, etcetera were pop sensations of that time.
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#504510 - 02/26/11 05:14 AM
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^^^^^^
Yes, they did evolve, to their credit but as a previous poster mentioned it was George Martin who was the impetus for that evolution. The Beatles became a pretty solid psychedelic/concept album band, but they weren't the first or the best in that jondra. Listen to the Moody Blues' "Days of Future Passed" from 1967 and it becomes clear that The Beatles were far behind the curve and would never have caught up with the White Album and Sgt. Pepper's had it not been for Martin.
I guess I never compared the Moody Blues with the Beatles. Always thought of them as less experimental, like Pink Floyd. What came out came out organically, without trying to be "edgy". I always thought the Beatles later stuff sounded very experimental, especially the Lennon heavy stuff. They seemed to be trying so hard. And Lennon's solo stuff...yuck. Pretentious nonsense.
But you're right. You start talking 5th Beatle, George Martin was it.
I compare the Beatles and Moody Blues because a lot of the later Beatles stuff really followed in the footsteps of the Moody Blues. The Moodies were the first band to experiment with orchestral instruments (and entire orchestras). Days of Future Passed, released in 1967, broke new ground as a concept and orchestral album. After it was released, George Martin convinced the Beatles to start using orchestral arrangements in their music. Sgt. Pepper was really the product of Martin's desire to have the Beatles release and orchestral concept album. They didn't mimic the Moody Blues, but they went down a road that the Moody Blues paved for them.
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#504511 - 02/26/11 08:02 AM
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IMO Sgt. Pepper was a commercial success because not only was it orchestral and a concept album, but it also contained some of the best cuts The Beatles ever recorded; With a Little Help From my Friends, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, She's leaving Home, and When I'm Sixty-Four immediately come to mind.
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#504512 - 02/26/11 09:42 AM
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I liked Sgt. Pepper. To me, they were best when they were a bubblegum band. But for later stuff Sgt. Pepper was giood stuff.
As for the Moody Blues/ Beatle comparison, I just think the Moodies were far and away a superior band. I'm with you as far as using orchestras, because that was pretty groundbreaking at the time. Kind of how Deep Purple took it to the next level by using a well known orchestra and giving them full credit. Kind of added a bit of panache or mainstream acceptability that wasn't there before.
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#504514 - 02/26/11 03:44 PM
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I liked Sgt. Pepper. To me, they were best when they were a bubblegum band. But for later stuff Sgt. Pepper was giood stuff.
As for the Moody Blues/ Beatle comparison, I just think the Moodies were far and away a superior band. I'm with you as far as using orchestras, because that was pretty groundbreaking at the time. Kind of how Deep Purple took it to the next level by using a well known orchestra and giving them full credit. Kind of added a bit of panache or mainstream acceptability that wasn't there before.
I agree that the Moody Blues were superior, but it's an opinion I usually keep to myself these days. I've had several fanatical Beatles fans go ballistic when I've said it or mention that the Moodies did everything the Beatles did but before the Beatles. Some Beatles fans are really unhinged.
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#504515 - 02/26/11 07:37 PM
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I liked Sgt. Pepper. To me, they were best when they were a bubblegum band. But for later stuff Sgt. Pepper was giood stuff.
As for the Moody Blues/ Beatle comparison, I just think the Moodies were far and away a superior band. I'm with you as far as using orchestras, because that was pretty groundbreaking at the time. Kind of how Deep Purple took it to the next level by using a well known orchestra and giving them full credit. Kind of added a bit of panache or mainstream acceptability that wasn't there before.
I agree that the Moody Blues were superior, but it's an opinion I usually keep to myself these days. I've had several fanatical Beatles fans go ballistic when I've said it or mention that the Moodies did everything the Beatles did but before the Beatles. Some Beatles fans are really unhinged.
Do the Moodies have unhinged fans, too? I doubt it. I've known some people very into them, but not rabidly. Kind of like hardcore Jethro Tull fans. They have no reason to feel that the Moodies need defending.
Ivor, you're a big Zappa fan, aren't you? I never could get there. I get the tremendous talent thing, but I just never liked the music. To each his own, though. There's stuff out there for everyone, no?
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#504516 - 02/26/11 08:19 PM
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I liked Zappa's comedy music. Conquistador must be right about me. Speaking of Jethro Tull, I was a fan of Ian Anderson and his band forty years ago. Tempus fugit. I find it impossible to compare Tull or the Moody Blues to The Beatles as they styles of music are so disparate.
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#504517 - 02/27/11 10:22 AM
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I liked Zappa's comedy music. Conquistador must be right about me. Speaking of Jethro Tull, I was a fan of Ian Anderson and his band forty years ago.
Probably twenty years ago Jethro Tull was the first grown up show I ever saw. By that I mean a polite audience, no bimbos riding some guy's shoulders, no screaming fans, no dickwad trying to climb on the stage. It was, and still is, the best show I've ever seen.
As an aside to that, a week or two before the show one of the local radio stations did a 45 minute plus live phone interview with Ian Anderson, supposedly to pimp the concert. What made it memorable was that he wouldn't talk about anything but salmon farming, salmon husbandry, salmon genetics. Salmon everything. It was hilarious.
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#504518 - 02/27/11 10:39 AM
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Sounds like Ian Anderson is a mensch. I loved Aqualung and Thick As A Brick back in the day. Seem to recall that Anderson was his own man, refused to go along with the corporate program of releasing shitty albums one right after another to maximize profits/capitalize on the trend of the moment.
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