Hi there Mr. modelgig,
Joe here from Flesh Flower Productions. I don’t know you but I really hope you can take advice without being defensive and getting it the wrong way. I am not wasting any of my precious time to attack anyone, but as a producer in the adult industry I want to give you a tip or two;
I contacted you a while ago about a model I wanted to hire who was on your website (Modelgig.com), to remind you I was the one who complimented your site and said it was my favorite adult models site. For some reason I thought you were going to have a booth at Erotica L.A. and was hoping to see you there. Anyway back to my point. After writing you and expressing my interest in one of your models. I was surprised of the very unprofessional reply you sent back. If you don’t remember it was maybe one line saying what the model charges ($700). And that was it! Now it seems to me that you are working hard to put these models out there, but you are not working hard in negotiating the bookings for them. To tell you what I mean. Very coincidentally the same model I was interested in from your site contacted me and showed interest in working with me. I booked that model for less than half from what you asked for! And also I booked another model who is on your website for a great rate! so just to help a little I wanted to tell you this. It is less one producer who was interested in working with modelgig. If the above scenario happened only with me (for what ever reason) than its OK. But if this is how you try to book your models with everyone who contacts you. Well you might be loosing allot of business without even knowing it. My suggestion is; find out what type of work the employer is doing, who is he/she, where and when does he plan to shoot etc. get as much information as you can. Don’t quote a rate before you talk to your model about it. Maybe she really likes the producer/ photographer/ director’s work and willing to do it for a low rate just to work with them. You never know.
Let me know what you think. And I hope you don’t take this the wrong way.
Good luck.

Joe Peterson
Flesh Flower Productions

Flesh Flower Productions

Hello,
Yes I do recall your email and nice comments in it. I receive over 100 emails per day. If I write much more that what is needed then writing emails would be all that I do. The fact that you got girls at a lower rate is great for you.
Feel free to contact me anytime to book girls. Thanks.

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If everything I read was true, it does seem like modelgig puts all their time into their website and zero time in negotiations or finding out all the facts before quoting a price. Not the best way to do business no matter how many emails you get a day. If you can't keep up, hire an assistant, maybe one of your models will help.

Well if you want to be an agent that is exactly what you have to do. give full attention to your potential customers. If you heard of Jim South from World Modeling, he is a good friend of mine and the biggest adult agent in Los Angeles for over 25 years. he made Ron Jeremy, Jenna Jameson and many others. All he does is giving his full attention to producers, directors, photographers etc. even though he has three assistance he still works hard at doing what you say you dont have time to do. thats all you should do my friend. sit home and write Emails (not one liners) all day if thats what it takes. theres a "Wanna-be" agent and theres a "hard working agent" which one are you is solely up to you. heres another tip that might help. an agent I know has pre typed letters saved on his computer. for example a "first time employer reply" for employers that contact you for the first time. type a letter asking all the questions you need to deliver to your model, explaining about yourself and your company etc. make it look very personal. and when producers contact you, all you have to do is copy and paste, and ad the persons name to the head of the letter. it looks more personal and professional. now you ask me to contact you again if I'm interested in a girl. heres a second chance; tell me about Kelle. I want to book her.
casting@fleshflowerproductions.com

Joe

Thank you again for your suggestions. Jim South has been in business since 1976 and I am sure at that time he had growing pains and a lot to learn. I have only been doing this since Feb. 2002 and I think that my site has become very successful in a very small amount of time. I will email you about Kelle.

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It would make a lot of sense to me if a girl is stuck on a rate in her mind that she'll only work for at the time. Perhaps it takes the company itself to make some appealing offers and find his way into requesting a lower rate meanwhile the company will make at least thousands of dollars of the girls. People like that are cheap bastards and if it weren't for us girls working in this business you wouldn't have a company Joe. Sometimes it takes a little sacrafice... you know, spend money to make money. If you're so knowledgeable in what you do, then you should know the basics. Not all girls will do anything for nearly nothing and give their best. Meanwhile I'll do anything for a negotiated price if it sounds good. I believe Robert is doing a fine job and needs no criticism. He has more respect for people as a person than most out there.

Also if you're so money conscious why don't you go find girls without paying a finders fee and pay the girls the money. There are many ways of doing it, just think about it.

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World Modeling doesn't do shit. They're overloaded of girls in their books leaving them in question of what to do at times. All in all leaving them to only get work for the girls who've been around for less than a month to make the impression on those girls that they're worthy in the business and World Modeling is reliable only later to realize they just dont give a shit period.

Now the people there as they are, are really cool to chat with but business wise, they're always caught up in dealing with majority of flaky girls, both that and new in the business than helping girls maintain their business in the industry. But what does anyone care right? As long as cash is falling into their pockets.

Which is why all in all it's best to represent yourself while listed with as many agents possible, that way contacts come in all directions. Gee what a concept.

GenPadova, you attack a person you don’t know… you asked for it;
Let me start by saying that it is obvious you are not experienced in the industry. Also from my experience most girls that do it just for the money are prostitutes, so I wont be surprised if you are one. So far you are the only one in this post hiding behind an unknown identity (if that is you in the picture, that would explain your frustration towards the industry). Now (unlike you) I’ll tell you a little about me and why I am “so money conscious”. I just started this company after working for others in the industry over 6 years (you were probably 15 then). Obviously you know nothing about business, so let me educate you a tiny bit. The costs (especially when starting from nothing) are enormous. Now I am starting with my hard earned dollars, no investors, no partners, and I am not wealthy (yet). So yes I am looking for good rates that can match my budget. Now if you were a working model you would know that in order to get work in this industry and in any other industry its all about connections, reputation and good rapport. The models that I work with now might not get the standard rates but they get more content for their portfolio, they still make money, and most of all to show my appreciation I refer them to more work with others and will work with them MANY more times. Just as a producer has to start somewhere the models have to start somewhere. And the best part of this starting stage is that I get only the ones that are doing it because they love it and not just for the money. If you are just starting out and stuck on a rate you end up sitting at home in front of the computer in massage boards venting your frustration. So don’t try to impress me by saying “if it weren’t for US girls” cause you are not one of them girls who work out there.
Also I wasn’t criticizing modelgig or any one. I just thought it would be nice to give him some feedback, which I wish other producers would take the time to give me feedback when I started. And when you say World Modeling dosent do shit. I can strongly agree to that. I know Jim very well. And girls who look like shit with an attitude like yours, of course he doesn’t do shit. If you had a different attitude than you would have a totally different experience with World Modeling. This guy started before you were born. I wonder why he is in the business since 1976. because he doesn’t do shit?!
Since you have so many posts under your belt I am sure you spend lots of time in message boards, and on the computer. Lets hear your defensive reply.
A reminder: you asked for it.

Perhaps I did ask for it. But only a great mind speaks out, just as you did to begin with. And only one alike will reply.

I will start off saying that World Modeling did a great job by starting me off. They were a big help but once they realized I was getting work on my own, they took me out of their books. I have a good standing business relationship with both Jim and Steve who are great people. What I was trying to say, if you were paying attention is that when getting work in the long run isn't so great with WOrld MOdeling because they don't push as hard as they do when female talent is brand new. Being that new talent is the highest demand.

I do not have my set rates but a lot of girls do and seem to get by. I do enjoy the industry. If I wasn't enjoying it, I'd go fire to two guys working for me and work full time in the warehouse shipping sports equipment. But no, I dont want to do that. I rather do the paper work and fulfill my desires as an exhibitionist. I'll say that I'm not a prostitute but a prostitute for the camera if you want to put it that way. I don't have time to walk streets or hang out somewhere to make extra money. I'm happy the way things are now.

I've done a great deal of movies working for lesser rates than the norm. Especially with companies such as Legend among many other companies as well and internet content. The only reason why I choose to do so is because they're wonderful people, I have fun on set, they dont lolly-gag, they know what they want, and will use me again. You're right that it takes a little sacrifices to get more business. But when it comes to companies out there who try to get a girl to do a boy/girl photo shoot for 200-300 dollars just because its pictures is utterly pathetic. Especially when you get nothing in return.

Regardless of what you are doing it takes money to make money. And I'm not talking in specific amounts. I admire that you are doing this on your own without loans and so forth but perhaps you took me the wrong way as I was pissed off to constantly see people bitch how expensive peoples rates are. It would make more sense to me that if a company has a budget then why dont they make their set offered rates. So if a girl won't go with it, what can you do? There are plenty of other people out there who I am sure are worthy to fulfill a role you had in mind.

Also before I forget... I don't see how I'm hiding behind a false indentity when that picture in my avatar is myself. It's a photograph from a live internet show called BLOW (www.blowmelive.com) which entails nude wrestling, nude massaging, nude chat, showers, under water cam in a tub, ring talk, eating naked, etc all for 7hrs (3pm-10pm) that pays the girls 400 with taxes taken out. I don't complain otherwise I wouldn't be apart of it. But it's to show you that a big show like that would idealy pay much more for all the shit that goes on in the show but because I'm happy, love the people, love the atmosphere, love what i do, have fun with the people I interact with, the money is worth it. And I can always go back.

I'm not here to impress you nor anyone. I never did before I did porn and don't need to. Simple as that. We are all entitled to say what we want. If I were to keep my mouth shut along with everyone else and let you rant your own opinions as we sit and listen. This world would be far too perfect in your little perfect world. But life isn't about perfection. Life is about survival,fulfillment, you get the picture.

You have to admit that if there were not talent both male, female and well yes the trannies too... there wouldn't be porn. You can't deny that. And I wasn't saying it to put anyone or myself on a pedestal. That's just the way it is. Same goes if we had no one that knew how to operate a camera, we'd only have photographs and no movies.

My question to you is... why dont you do business through Jim instead of Modelgig if they're so perfect and sucessful since 1976? I'm sure Jim has almost every girl that Model gig has. (no offense to robert) You can't tell me that Jim fails to serve girls work who are into the business at least a year already.... if so I'll be impressed and perhaps ill stop by there again and say hi since steve austin did call to say hello and ask to stop by sometime.

All in all, I did ask for it. Now what?

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I don't think Joe would want to hire me after this. What happens, happens. Although I wouldn't mind working with him in a movie so we can degrade each other. But is he aiming to degrade women like JM? or did he have something else in store for us? Perhaps we'll find out sooner or later!

Gen, what do you find particularly degrading? (And delicious!)

WOW Gen! impressive reply girl. Believe it or not I like you. I am surprised and I do apologizing for attacking. I just got really pissed that you didn’t know what was really going on and you expressed your feelings. But I forgot to mention before even Robert from modelgig thanked me for the tips I gave him. That’s why I was pissed, because I was trying to be nice here, and you came from nowhere talking shit. Oh well now I think we understand each other. You are right about Jim and Steve but as much as it’s a little sad its only business. And I think you have to remember the ones that helped you when you started, even if they don’t work as hard for you now, but you are out there because of their help. This is what I was talking about when I said that I like to work with new faces. They need exposure, and they are willing to work for a rate less than average. But you must know that I never ever do it just for the sake of taking advantage of these girls, its only because I am starting out on a shoestring budget. And believe me once I have lots of money I will be known as the most wonderful and generous producer out there, and I swear to you I am not saying this to flatter myself. The main reason I am in this industry is because of my love for women. To me women not only run this industry but run this planet. If would take a minute and go to my website www.FleshFlowerProductions.com at the about page you will find that I use the exact same words you do; without these girls we wouldn’t have porn.
Now to give you the best flesh and blood example. I don’t know if you know the model Cynara Fox, but she was my first model I worked with. And she is no amateur. She did over 30 movies and tons of photography, she is a former Jill Kelly contract girl. And she told me that I was the best one she had ever worked with. I take that as a compliment from someone who is been around. I also have a Yahoo group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FleshFlowerProductions) where she posted an amazing letter which I want to paste here for you to read. This is word by word from Cynara Fox. I did not change a thing:


Hey hey, Cynara Fox here, just checkin up on my boy and makin sure
you all are takin care of him with loads of support!
I must say, Joe is a great guy in every way! Easy, fun, professional
to work with/for; and he is doing all this on his own simply out of
his amazing fascination of women and their beauty- the way he views
it! He has told me that a to him women are like flowers, some
waiting to bloom others fully blossomed, Joe is a beautiful person
with a kinky side and the soul of a poet, an all around treasure to
find for any woman looking for her career to bloom! But in the
business sense he is also a treasure to find!!!
He is a driven man with his goals and visions for the future in
clear perspective, I love Joe and will always be his #1 supporter in
any endeavor he chooses to take on!

NOTE: To aspiring models, and future website/group members alike;
I ask you to take my word for it and know that Joe and his company
will develop and blossom into a beautiful, unique powerhouse of
emerging talent, established talent and many other great aspects
that you will soon have the pleasure of taking advantage of, as his
new sites develop as well!
I love ya Joe, and will always be here for ya!

With all my Love and Support, Cynara Fox!!!!


P.S. sorry for any typ o's I have the hiccups pretty bad!



So the main reason why I got so angry with your first post was because you compared me with the few ugly faces in the industry (which I am against just as much as you are). We cant deny it but there are cheap bastards out there who are trying to take advantage of the girls and put them down. To give you another piece of my mind; the person I HATE the most who is a big name in the industry is Max Hardcore. You might like his work but I think this man should be eliminated from the adult industry. Why do you think I came up with the name Flesh Flower for my company? Because to me women are the flowers of the human race.
So you say maybe you’ll do a movie with me so I can degrade you? Well I am the wrong person for that. I cant degrade a fly, not to mention the most beautiful creatures on this planet – women.
And yes I would consider working with you, if you are not to expensive, and send my some photos where I can see you clearly. Which brings me to another thought I had before: change your avatar so we can see you. Anyway Gen I know I wrote a little too much. Hope I didn’t bore everyone here. And most of all I hope we can be friends now. If I forgot something feel free to ask.

Love,

Joe Peterson
Flesh Flower Productions.
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Ahhh but it's alright, no degradation in my future with Joe. I'll make the best of it in any other way I'm sure. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> LOL

That's awesome you brought up Cynara Fox and she was the lovely lady that spoke kind words because I love that girl. I met her once on a set and talked for hours off and on through an entire day. She was incredible to watch, and our conversations over the internet are always something I look forward for. My big mouth even said a few words... well more than that to stick up for her when loser journalist and jill kelly prod. did nothing but make her look like an outcast and unworthy. I never understood how anyone doesn't understand that every damn person in this world has their flaws, some may be worse than others, but we all get by in the long run. GRR

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Mr C... degrading is anything and everything that a woman in general would not enjoy when it comes to involving in her sexual pleasures. Such as smacking, spitting, hard dirty talk while fucking, derogatory name calling, hair pulling, cock spanking.... yadda yadda. But then again I guess it's not so degrading for the person who's receiving and accepting. Only degrading to the viewers pool.

Maybe you can do one with a donkey punch or two.

I dont think I'm smart enough to understand what you just said LOL... cum again in Lehmans terms por favor

Donkey Punch... while you're getting fucked in the ass doggy style, the guy punches you real good on the back of your head causing you to be knocked out and your sphincter to instinctively tighten up some more.

Maybe more of an urban legend - joke.

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Can I try one on you? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smashfreak.gif" alt="" />

Then there is also the Frankenstein (may have other names). You cum on both her eyes, then punch her in the nose... watch her walk around like frankenstein trying to find you.

hahaha suuuure why not. Sounds too comical for me to do it seriously!

Well, we can make a hardcore comedy.