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#339013 - 06/24/08 11:13 AM Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
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Kayden Kross has been sticking it to everybody's favorite scam artist Shelley Lubben over at www.mikesouth.com for several weeks. In Ode to the Dumb Cooze , she seems to have caught Lub-Lub defrauding the Government:

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Ha ha funny story: Shelley and I were on the radio yesterday and she spent the whole time talking over me. I was quiet for her while she made her points and then she spoke over the top of me when it was my turn to speak. Picture a third grader with her finger in her ears saying “lalalalalala I can’t hear you lalalalala”. It was not far off from that. But I was able to get a few things in.


Her reaction was incredible when I pointed out that her Pink Cross foundation was not, in fact, a non-profit. According to the Attorney General’s office, there is no Pink Cross Foundation on file as a charitable organization. The only records are a filing with the Secretary of State as a regular corporation. She started ranting “Yes it is Yes it is i care about these girls you don’t know what they go through…..!!!”. Picture a raving lunatic. It was not far off from that either. The distinction needs to be made: just because you aren’t making money off of it doesn’t mean it’s a non profit.




Maybe she can have Lucy Lee's old cell?

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#339014 - 06/24/08 12:53 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
ivorenginedriver Offline
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Registered: 09/19/05
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Wonder if any donors took Federal income tax deductions If so, they might have problems with the IRS.

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#339015 - 06/24/08 01:14 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
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I am sure the current administration would tell the IRS to back off because of the nature of Shelley Lubben's "business".
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#339016 - 06/24/08 06:46 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Willie D Offline

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Registered: 09/20/05
Posts: 9149
It's nice to know that a whore like her knows how to use teh internets. Too bad she missed the following disclosure on the AG's search page:

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Please note, however, that this information does not indicate whether a charity’s registration is current. Further, the information was last updated in March 2007 and does not reflect newly registered charities or name and address information that was changed after that date.




If she had bothered to check with the California Secretary of State, she'd see that the Pink Cross Foundation was incorporated 1-24-2008.

In the meantime, an unincorporated non-profit entity can operate in California without financial reporting unless it's revenues exceed $25,000, per 18020(b) of the CA Corporation Code:

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18020. (a) "Nonprofit association" means an unincorporated
association with a primary common purpose other than to operate a
business for profit.
(b) A nonprofit association may carry on a business for profit and
apply any profit that results from the business activity to any
activity in which it may lawfully engage.



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#339017 - 06/26/08 12:11 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
misterz Offline
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Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 108
All of these false accusations coming from someone who has stated, and I quote,.."our herpes rate is exactly equal to the general public.(from Kadens first post on MikeSouth.com)

I wonder if Ms. Kross will print a retraction, if she even knows what that is. Great post Willie, you killed what could have been another great bash shelly thread with the facts. But watch out Willie, not too many people here like it when you kill their fantasies with facts.

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#339018 - 06/26/08 12:19 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Dean Wormer Offline
Pervert

Registered: 08/05/05
Posts: 2116
Loc: Faber College
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All of these false accusations coming from someone who has stated, and I quote,.."our herpes rate is exactly equal to the general public.(from Kadens first post on MikeSouth.com)

I wonder if Ms. Kross will print a retraction, if she even knows what that is. Great post Willie, you killed what could have been another great bash shelly thread with the facts. But watch out Willie, not too many people here like it when you kill their fantasies with facts.




Thank you for posting that, Ms. Lubben.
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#339019 - 06/26/08 12:37 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
misterz Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 108
Quote:

Quote:

All of these false accusations coming from someone who has stated, and I quote,.."our herpes rate is exactly equal to the general public.(from Kadens first post on MikeSouth.com)

I wonder if Ms. Kross will print a retraction, if she even knows what that is. Great post Willie, you killed what could have been another great bash shelly thread with the facts. But watch out Willie, not too many people here like it when you kill their fantasies with facts.




Thank you for posting that, Ms. Lubben.





Another wrong guess. Again, even the biggest idoit here could compare our writing style, or lack there of, and know Im not shelly. But thanks again for confirming what I already know. The reason most people here dont like me is because I'm usually correct, and none of the morons here know who I am. That just really bugs you guys doesnt it? Let me answer that for you...YES.
p.s. My prediction about what osha would do this week came true. I wonder why the INDUSTRY PRESS(lol) isnt saying anything? ACtually, i dont wonder about that because I know why they're not reporting it. Would you like to know?

Keep guessing guys. Good luck.

Actually, at least two regular posters here know who I am, possibly three. Youre not one of them.


Edited by misterz (06/26/08 12:42 AM)

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#339020 - 06/26/08 12:53 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Dean Wormer Offline
Pervert

Registered: 08/05/05
Posts: 2116
Loc: Faber College
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

All of these false accusations coming from someone who has stated, and I quote,.."our herpes rate is exactly equal to the general public.(from Kadens first post on MikeSouth.com)

I wonder if Ms. Kross will print a retraction, if she even knows what that is. Great post Willie, you killed what could have been another great bash shelly thread with the facts. But watch out Willie, not too many people here like it when you kill their fantasies with facts.




Thank you for posting that, Ms. Lubben.





Another wrong guess. Again, even the biggest idoit here could compare our writing style, or lack there of, and know Im not shelly. But thanks again for confirming what I already know. The reason most people here dont like me is because I'm usually correct, and none of the morons here know who I am. That just really bugs you guys doesnt it? Let me answer that for you...YES.
p.s. My prediction about what osha would do this week came true. I wonder why the INDUSTRY PRESS(lol) isnt saying anything? ACtually, i dont wonder about that because I know why they're not reporting it. Would you like to know?

Keep guessing guys. Good luck.

Actually, at least two regular posters here know who I am, possibly three. Youre not one of them.





Sorry. Thank you Anita Cannibal.
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#339021 - 06/26/08 01:14 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
misterz Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 108

oops doubl post sorry


Edited by misterz (06/26/08 01:20 AM)

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#339022 - 06/26/08 01:18 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
misterz Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 108
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Sorry. Thank you Anita Cannibal.




That was one of the first guesses made about three months ago. And for the same reason stated above, its easy to see that I'm not her. Are you really that stupid that you cant see that. But hers a clue for you.....if you dont work in the industry there is absolutely no way you would know who I am. My real name has been used only twice in about the last 9 years on any 'inside industry" website. If all you know about the industry comes form here, AVN, adultdvdtalk, Luke(fake or not) or adultfyi then you basically know nothing about the industry. I'm sorry for bursting your fanboi bubble but thats the truth whether you like it or not. They did the same thing on adultdvdtalk when i posted under the name lookyhere. Then Luke(fake luke) even got into the 'who is he' debate when I "broke' the brooke ashley workers comp story, and how that legal decision makes performers EMPLOYEES not independent contractors.


Again, thanks for confiming what I already know.It is greatly appreciated.




But if you really want to score points here you could point out all of my misspelled words. That will make you a real xxxpt hero.(lol)


Edited by misterz (06/26/08 01:25 AM)

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#339023 - 06/26/08 01:58 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
gia jordan Offline
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Registered: 09/07/05
Posts: 14160
Loc: NYC
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But watch out Willie, not too many people here like it when you kill their fantasies with facts.




Don't worry, sweetie. We can handle reality and still be able to jack off. We're that evolved. Thanks.
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#339024 - 06/26/08 02:00 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Dean Wormer Offline
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Registered: 08/05/05
Posts: 2116
Loc: Faber College
Quote:

Quote:



Sorry. Thank you Anita Cannibal.




That was one of the first guesses made about three months ago. And for the same reason stated above, its easy to see that I'm not her. Are you really that stupid that you cant see that. But hers a clue for you.....if you dont work in the industry there is absolutely no way you would know who I am. My real name has been used only twice in about the last 9 years on any 'inside industry" website. If all you know about the industry comes form here, AVN, adultdvdtalk, Luke(fake or not) or adultfyi then you basically know nothing about the industry. I'm sorry for bursting your fanboi bubble but thats the truth whether you like it or not. They did the same thing on adultdvdtalk when i posted under the name lookyhere. Then Luke(fake luke) even got into the 'who is he' debate when I "broke' the brooke ashley workers comp story, and how that legal decision makes performers EMPLOYEES not independent contractors.


Again, thanks for confiming what I already know.It is greatly appreciated.




But if you really want to score points here you could point out all of my misspelled words. That will make you a real xxxpt hero.(lol)




Sorry but that would take too long and I don't have the time right now.

Anyways just because there was a legal decision regarding the Brooke Ashley shit doesn't make it the correct decision. That's just typical California touchy, feely, nanny state gibberish. Then again the ultra-libtards that are in control are always looking for ways to put the onus on someone else.
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#339025 - 06/26/08 02:45 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Anonymous
Unregistered


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If all you know about the industry comes form here, AVN, adultdvdtalk, Luke(fake or not) or adultfyi then you basically know nothing about the industry.




You forgot to mention porn's answer to the National Enquirer-

http://www.industryblacklist.com

guess you dont know it all afterwards!

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#339026 - 06/26/08 06:19 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
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Are you really that stupid that you cant see that.





This is spam and you are STRONGLY advised not to reply to this or any other posting by "misterz," "shelley lubben," "anita cannibal," "care less" or any other alt of this unsupervised 15-year-old. Please continue to observe this ostracism until notice of his banning or a marked increase in willingness to participate in threads instead of starting ones appropriate for PMs. Feeding him or giving him the attention he craves will cause him to feel comfortable and rip open your trashbags at night-let him learn that he's very boring by himself. Thank you, Grip Johnson.

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#339027 - 06/26/08 06:41 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
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Registered: 03/22/07
Posts: 5186
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Quote:



Actually, at least two regular posters here care who I am, possibly three. The unknown pervert is not one of them.





fixed
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#339028 - 06/26/08 02:08 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
The Ghost Is Toast Offline
Whoremaster

Registered: 10/21/05
Posts: 2710
Quote:

All of these false accusations coming from someone who has stated, and I quote,.."our herpes rate is exactly equal to the general public.(from Kadens first post on MikeSouth.com)

I wonder if Ms. Kross will print a retraction, if she even knows what that is. Great post Willie, you killed what could have been another great bash shelly thread with the facts. But watch out Willie, not too many people here like it when you kill their fantasies with facts.




So, when are you calling out Kayden for the $50,000 put-up-or-shut-up herpes challenge then, misterz?

You seem to enjoy talking the talk, but when it comes time to walk the walk...

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#339029 - 06/26/08 04:53 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
misterz Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 108
Quote:

Quote:

All of these false accusations coming from someone who has stated, and I quote,.."our herpes rate is exactly equal to the general public.(from Kadens first post on MikeSouth.com)

I wonder if Ms. Kross will print a retraction, if she even knows what that is. Great post Willie, you killed what could have been another great bash shelly thread with the facts. But watch out Willie, not too many people here like it when you kill their fantasies with facts.




So, when are you calling out Kayden for the $50,000 put-up-or-shut-up herpes challenge then, misterz?

You seem to enjoy talking the talk, but when it comes time to walk the walk...





In Kadens post she stated the "industry herpes rate was exactly equal to the general public." I challenged the veracity of that statement. I never, repeat,NEVER questioned her individual herpes status. The ONLY person (or people) Kaden needs to answer that question too are those who may be personally affected by it,that is, people she is having any type of physical contact with that may put them in jeopardy. YOU made her personal status an issue,and if I may speak for Kaden i think she would probably say something like 'mind your own buissness"


But I will do this....I challenge you to take a herpes test and put the results up here for everyone to see. Now do you see how ridiculous your CHALLENGE is?

I only challenged her statements regarding the entire industry. It was you who crossed the line and made it personal. Why dont YOU put up $50,000 yourself, better yet I challeng you to put up $100,000. Can you see how ridiculous this is?

The only people she has to answer to personally are those who would or would not be affected by it. It is NONE of my buissness and certainly NONE of your buissness. But her commentary on the entire industry can certainly be debated in an open forum.

And as far as industryblacklist goes, I guess i also forgot gfy,Xbiz,pornstar perfomance,gram ponante,etc,etc. Add all of these to the list and you still dont know much if these are your only sources. Have a nice day (fanbois).(isnt that the term used here for the pants around the ankles, internet porn addicted degenereates?)


Wormer, you are correct. Just because the court ruled in favor of the EMPLOYEE doenst make it right. But what is does do is make it the LAW. Some would say the same thing about the MILLER decision,(not me but plenty of people think it was wrong...Florida anybody?)


Edited by misterz (06/26/08 04:57 PM)

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#339030 - 06/26/08 05:13 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
ivorenginedriver Offline
Porn Fucking Master

Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 3576
Loc: Baltimore, MD
Mister Z-I agree with you that porn workers deserve better health protections, but am surprised that you appear to endorse MILLER, a decision that allows any backwoods jury to decide what constitutes obscenity. In these Internet days, that exposes the liberty and property of producers of erotica to the whims of any Bible belt judge and jury.

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#339031 - 06/26/08 05:18 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
misterz Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 108
Quote:

Mister Z-I agree with you that porn workers deserve better health protections, but am surprised that you appear to endorse MILLER, a decision that allows any backwoods jury to decide what constitutes obscenity. In these Internet days, that exposes the liberty and property of producers of erotica to the whims of any Bible belt judge and jury.






OOPS!!! I meant the FREEMAN decison. My bad.

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#339032 - 06/26/08 06:26 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
ivorenginedriver Offline
Porn Fucking Master

Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 3576
Loc: Baltimore, MD
Thanks for the clarification. I find counselor Fatterosi to be an astute observer, and take it that you basically agree with his theory that the industry ought to clean itself up with respect to worker safeguards before the State makes them do it.

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#339033 - 06/26/08 06:32 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
I Love Moose Knuckle Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 12/18/07
Posts: 68
Loc: Orange County, CA
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

All of these false accusations coming from someone who has stated, and I quote,.."our herpes rate is exactly equal to the general public.(from Kadens first post on MikeSouth.com)

I wonder if Ms. Kross will print a retraction, if she even knows what that is. Great post Willie, you killed what could have been another great bash shelly thread with the facts. But watch out Willie, not too many people here like it when you kill their fantasies with facts.




Thank you for posting that, Ms. Lubben.





Another wrong guess. Again, even the biggest idoit here could compare our writing style, or lack there of, and know Im not shelly. But thanks again for confirming what I already know. The reason most people here dont like me is because I'm usually correct, and none of the morons here know who I am. That just really bugs you guys doesnt it? Let me answer that for you...YES.
p.s. My prediction about what osha would do this week came true. I wonder why the INDUSTRY PRESS(lol) isnt saying anything? ACtually, i dont wonder about that because I know why they're not reporting it. Would you like to know?

Keep guessing guys. Good luck.

Actually, at least two regular posters here know who I am, possibly three. Youre not one of them.





Agreed. Not even Shelley would incorrectly spell "business" three times in the same post.

Are you actually bragging that while you are an industry insider, nobody knows who you are except for 2 or 3 people? Most people would not brag about being failures within their own industry.

Lastly, your argument is stupid. You haven't been right about shit. The reason nobody has guessed who you are is because nobody cares. The lack of valid content, coherent argument, sentence structure and grammar lets all of the readers know that you have nothing of value to offer in your post. Furthermore, you haven't provided a single fact to state that the herpes rate is different between porn and non-porn. Do you know why? Because that statistic does not exist. They don't line non-porn and porn individuals up every year to test for this. Get off your high fucking horse, stop using the same 2 or 3 analogies that you think are soo fucking clever and die already.

Everytime I see your stupid posts, all I can think of is Philip Seymour Hoffman's character Scotty J from Boogie Nights...


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#339034 - 06/26/08 06:36 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Dick Dastardly Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 01/25/06
Posts: 4470
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p.s. My prediction about what osha would do this week came true. I wonder why the INDUSTRY PRESS(lol) isnt saying anything? ACtually, i dont wonder about that because I know why they're not reporting it. Would you like to know?





OSHA is actually an acronym, therefore it's usually capitalized.

Your ignorance to type a legible paragraph takes away alot of your cred, Mrz. Industry Insider. All of us have occasional spelling fuck ups, but your shit looks elementary.
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#339035 - 06/26/08 06:37 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Jigaloo Offline
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Registered: 04/17/06
Posts: 7863
Darth has returned. Oh happy day.
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#339036 - 06/26/08 06:39 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
I Love Moose Knuckle Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 12/18/07
Posts: 68
Loc: Orange County, CA
Quote:

Quote:

p.s. My prediction about what osha would do this week came true. I wonder why the INDUSTRY PRESS(lol) isnt saying anything? ACtually, i dont wonder about that because I know why they're not reporting it. Would you like to know?





OSHA is actually an acronym, therefore it's usually capitalized.

Your ignorance to type a legible paragraph takes away alot of your cred, Mrz. Industry Insider. All of have occasional spelling fuck ups, but your shit looks elementary.




The worst part of his posts is that he has already edited them. These are not first draft posts. He has read them over and approved of them. This might be the first clue into who he is:

Clue #1:
English is not his first language.

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#339037 - 06/26/08 06:49 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Dick Dastardly Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 01/25/06
Posts: 4470
Juan Cuba?

Chico's dead, it can't be him.

The list goes on & on. He's likely some nobody who has the guile to label the majority of the XPT population as 'fanboi'.

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#339038 - 06/26/08 07:15 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Anonymous
Unregistered


Quote:


Clue #1:
English is not his first language.




Sadly, I think that it is.

He feels those who disagree with him are "idiots" and repeatedly tells them so. He capitalizes in an effort to shout down his opponents. He claims to have held elective office in two different states. He claims to be 53, retired and enjoys fishing with his grandkids.

He claims to be an insider with an agenda to save the industry, yet he also claims to have never worked in the industry.

Again, I'm pretty damn sure that this is a 15 year old in need of supervision.

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#339039 - 06/27/08 12:58 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
The Ghost Is Toast Offline
Whoremaster

Registered: 10/21/05
Posts: 2710
Quote:


In Kadens post she stated the "industry herpes rate was exactly equal to the general public." I challenged the veracity of that statement. I never, repeat,NEVER questioned her individual herpes status.




But surely if the veracity of her statement was in doubt, and your statements are true, then she must have Herpes...unless there's some way she managed to avoid catching it, which would suggest that...gasp...she may have worked with other performers who didn't have Herpes (or simply didn't pass it on to her).

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and if I may speak for Kaden i think she would probably say something like 'mind your own buissness"




No, you may not speak for Kayden, because you can't even spell her name right. Also, the fact that you have fundamentally different views and perspectives on this subject suggests that you don't think like her, and thus may not speak for her. Also, I don't think Kayden would want to be spoken for by someone who can't spell 'business' properly, much less use a simple spellcheck function...it would make her look like an ill-educated retard. (Tip: Next time, try using the colloquial term 'biz'...only three letters, difficult to fuck up, especially three times in the same post as there are only a certain number of combinations you can get from three letters...unless you totally misspell it and add a fourth or fifth.)


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But I will do this....I challenge you to take a herpes test and put the results up here for everyone to see. Now do you see how ridiculous your CHALLENGE is?




I can post a full clean test if you'd like (I'm not a performer, nor have I ever been), but what's that going to prove? Your contention is that Herpes is more prevalent in the talent pool than the general population, ergo testing a member of the general population, regardless of the results, proves what exactly?

The only thing ridiculous about such a challenge is that it proves nothing, even if I have every STD under the sun.

( Oh, and I don't live in the US either, which would mean I wouldn't be considered a representative sample anyway.)

Quote:


I only challenged her statements regarding the entire industry.





An industry which she has ground level experience of as a performer...if anything, her view of the situation may be slightly skewed because of the type of work/companies/performers she is familiar with (features, limited group of male performers who fit the bill) rather than a gonzo girl, but if there's less Herpes in features than there is in gonzo, surely somebody (AIM, maybe?) should be asking why and how they can bring the two in line?

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#339040 - 06/27/08 05:02 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Anonymous
Unregistered


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No, you may not speak for Kayden, because you can't even spell her name right.





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#339041 - 06/27/08 01:30 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Bill Hicks Offline
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Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 717
Loc: Off the mortal coil
I just despise any mouth-breather who actually writes "lol" in any medium other than AIM.

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#339042 - 06/27/08 03:10 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Holly Randall Offline
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Registered: 05/06/05
Posts: 1946
Loc: Outer Space
When I saw my doctor a few weeks ago, out of curiosity I asked about herpes testing. He said that you can't actually test for herpes unless you have an outbreak, and in that case then you probably know already anyhow. Does anybody know if this is true?
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#339043 - 06/27/08 04:59 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Bluecipher Offline
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Registered: 06/09/03
Posts: 5053
Loc:
the man/woman must know their herpes. I guess the rash tells. You can always take the herpes vaccine - just in case.


Welcome

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A. Diabetes
B. Breast cancer
C. Osteoporosis
D. Herpes

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#339044 - 06/27/08 06:23 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Bornyo Offline
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Registered: 09/23/04
Posts: 10321
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D. Herpes. Approximately ONE out of FOUR women in the United States has genital herpes.





I have a very, very, very hard time believing that statistic. In fact I call bullshit. No way one in four women over age 12 has genital herpes.

Edit: ok I went to the cdc website and looked around and they throw around the same statistic. If it's true there is some nasty shit going around.


Edited by Bornyo (06/27/08 06:30 PM)

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#339045 - 06/27/08 09:23 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Willie D Offline

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Posts: 9149
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When I saw my doctor a few weeks ago, out of curiosity I asked about herpes testing. He said that you can't actually test for herpes unless you have an outbreak, and in that case then you probably know already anyhow. Does anybody know if this is true?




From the CDC:
Quote:

The signs and symptoms associated with HSV-2 can vary greatly. Health care providers can diagnose genital herpes by visual inspection if the outbreak is typical, and by taking a sample from the sore(s) and testing it in a laboratory. HSV infections can be diagnosed between outbreaks by the use of a blood test. Blood tests, which detect antibodies to HSV-1 or HSV-2 infection, can be helpful, although the results are not always clear-cut.


Or your MD can phone up Brandon Irons...he's an expert, you know.
http://www.cdc.gov/std/Herpes/STDFact-Herpes.htm

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#339046 - 06/28/08 05:05 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Snowman Offline
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Registered: 02/28/06
Posts: 137
Loc: california
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When I saw my doctor a few weeks ago, out of curiosity I asked about herpes testing. He said that you can't actually test for herpes unless you have an outbreak, and in that case then you probably know already anyhow. Does anybody know if this is true?




This does not appear to be the case.

From Herpes.org

http://www.herpes.org/herpesinfo/diagnostictesting.shtml

"Recent developments in testing have been very helpful for type 2 herpes simplex. The POCkit test from www.diagnology.com is a highly type specific test for type 2 herpes simplex. It will detect antibody against herpes simplex type 2 and to an extremely high level of accuracy.4 This also means, though, that the test will not become positive until enough antibody shows up in the blood stream to be able to be detected. This could take as long as three months from the time of infection, but the mean time according to Wald et al in initial testing of this product was 13 days post exposure, though the variation was quite wide.4"

"Second, if an active, blistered lesion is present, ask for a viral culture for herpes simplex, and ask that the virus be typed (to distinguish between type 1 and type 2). If no active lesion is present, the viral culture may not be positive. Females that are having a vaginal discharge might have internal lesions that might be cultured. If the doctor has the ability to perform PCR DNA testing for herpes simplex, ask for that instead of a viral culture. The PCR DNA can find herpes simplex virus even when no symptoms are present."


The material above is written by a doctor.
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#339047 - 06/28/08 11:28 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Holly Randall Offline
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So my doctor is an idiot. Great.
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#339048 - 06/29/08 01:24 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
The Ghost Is Toast Offline
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Registered: 10/21/05
Posts: 2710
Quote:

So my doctor is an idiot. Great.





...maybe, but at least he is a real doctor.

Correct me if I'm wrong (misterz?), but isn't the PCR DNA test what AIM already uses, ergo the barrier to industry-wide Herpes testing is what, exactly?

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#339049 - 06/29/08 04:12 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
misterz Offline
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Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 108
Quote:

Quote:

So my doctor is an idiot. Great.





...maybe, but at least he is a real doctor.

Correct me if I'm wrong (misterz?), but isn't the PCR DNA test what AIM already uses, ergo the barrier to industry-wide Herpes testing is what, exactly?





AIM uses a PCR/DNA "Qualitative" test. Of all pcr tests the "qualitative" pcr test is the least expensive. The herpes pcr test is still very expensive mostly because it is not yet used that much. AIM gets a great rate on the pcr because of the large number of tests they orer(buy). Herpes is not a test that people get all of the time, because once you test positive there is no need to order it again. The laboratory AIM uses if fully capable of running the tests, it is just very very expensive.


Thebarrier to industry wide testing is the TALENT does not require it from one another. AIM does not set the policy for performers. They have an established protocol and any performer can follow it or not, it is the performers choice.
A number of performers are now using Talent Testing Service(which has NO doctor at all, and if you test positve for gonn/chlam you still have to goto AIM or your own doctor to get a prescription.) Plus they are afor profit company. If you test positive for HIV with them, they will NOT, repeat NOT notify the industry. You sign no waiver there.


P.s. Dr. hamblin, the medical director of AIM is a real doctor. So is the doctor on the board of directors, whose name for some reson escapes me right now. There is NO doctor at all at Talent Testing Service>


AIM does do alot of herpes tests every month. The reason you never hear about it is because the TALENT doesnt talk about it. If your only source of info is these boards you are woefully uninformed. I think even Holly would agree with that last statement.


correction,,,AIM does a number of herpes tests each month> Compared to the other tests it is not alot. ANY PERFORMER CAN HAVE ANY OF THESE TESTS DONE ANY TIME THEY WANT. NOTHING IS STOPPING THEM FROM DOING SO.

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#339050 - 06/29/08 04:47 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
misterz Offline
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Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 108
And since Holly is participating in this thread....Did you all know that during the HIV outbreak in 2004, Holly's mom donated more money to AIM than ALL of the multi-million dollar porn companies COMBINED, and she went to AIM personally to help out with phones, paperwork, etc.? There was only one other donation larger than Suze Randalls donation.

Holly, your mother is a wonderful lady. I just love her accent. And you're not so bad yourself. Take care.

P.s. The picture your mom took of me and my friends is one of my most prized possesions.

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#339051 - 06/29/08 05:50 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
misterz Offline
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Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 108

Are you actually bragging that while you are an industry insider, nobody knows who you are except for 2 or 3 people?


LOL I do not know the REAL identity of everyone posting here. Of those I do know, I'm sure that two of you know who I am, and if I'm correct about the identity of one other person, then that makes three. (that is just the people on this board). If I knew the true identitiies of everyone here, which I dont, then perhaps that number would be larger. Like I said, if you dont work in the industry there is no way you would know who I am.

p.s. I have never recieved any type of payment or earned any money from any company in the porn biz.

And since my sources are being questioned, what are your sources?(adultfyi,adultdvdtalk,lukeisback,xxxpt,pornstarperformance,etc etc.) If so, you are woefully uninformed.

As far as providing facts I will say this again....Not one single time has any performer EVER challenged any of my statements regarding STD's in the industry.

And if nobody cares who I am why am I constansly being pm'ed by people looking for more info?


p.s. There are only 6 or 7out of about 1200 performers working every month posting here. A mere fraction of a fraction of the industry. And it may not even be that many.



And in my post I said "two or three people who regularly post here".......not two or three people in the industry. If youre going to quote someone do it accurately. But then again, an accurate quote would have made your argument evenweaker so I guess thats why you did it.


Edited by misterz (06/29/08 07:07 PM)

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#339052 - 06/30/08 02:01 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
The Ghost Is Toast Offline
Whoremaster

Registered: 10/21/05
Posts: 2710
Quote:


AIM uses a PCR/DNA "Qualitative" test. Of all pcr tests the "qualitative" pcr test is the least expensive. The herpes pcr test is still very expensive mostly because it is not yet used that much. AIM gets a great rate on the pcr because of the large number of tests they orer(buy). Herpes is not a test that people get all of the time, because once you test positive there is no need to order it again. The laboratory AIM uses if fully capable of running the tests, it is just very very expensive.




OK, so it is doable, and if it was implemented on an industry-wide scale, the cost would very quickly come down.

You are also 100% correct about the test frequency vis a vis those who have it/those who don't. This is why I suggest pooling talent related to their herpes status. My basic argument is simply this: If you come in to the industry without herpes, you should be able to leave without herpes as well.

I tend to think this little improvement to the current testing regime might also help improve the quality of the talent pool somewhat...how many people who would do porn decide against it because they don't want to catch a recurring and incurable STD? (There's no guarantee they won't get it in their personal life of course, but if your stats are to believed, their chances of getting it in the industry are much higher...like Russian Roulette with one empty chamber)


Quote:

Thebarrier to industry wide testing is the TALENT does not require it from one another. AIM does not set the policy for performers. They have an established protocol and any performer can follow it or not, it is the performers choice.




The I would suggest the lead needs to come from the studios/producers first...if they demand it, agencies will start demanding it, and thus talent will start demanding it.

I just think it's better that the demand comes from within the industry rather than from outside, like CAL-OSHA.

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#339053 - 06/30/08 12:13 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
I Love Moose Knuckle Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 12/18/07
Posts: 68
Loc: Orange County, CA
Quote:


And since my sources are being questioned, what are your sources?





Are you retarded? My point was that there is no source for this information. There might be companies that take educated guesses with reported numbers, but there is NO survey or inquisition that tallies the number of people with herpes in and outside of the business. The reported numbers are only created by those that choose to report and thus are not accurate. Thus, I do not have a source for numbers and neither do you.

Quote:


(adultfyi,adultdvdtalk,lukeisback,xxxpt,pornstarperformance,etc etc.) If so, you are woefully uninformed.





LOL, this is what is referring to. You use these stupid phrases that you think make a point, argument or conclusion. You have already used this tired out "woefully" line in the Mike South Censorship thread. Please read a book or newspaper and start to learn new phrases that you can use. If you do that, you may want to pay special attention to the spelling. If you think you are informed, you have been lied to. The information you claim to have does not exist.


Quote:


As far as providing facts I will say this again....Not one single time has any performer EVER challenged any of my statements regarding STD's in the industry.





This statement is stupid for multiple reasons. Are you suggesting that pw's know statistics about the business? Are you suggesting that you do? Are you suggesting that if you make up numbers and post them and nobody challenges them, that they become fact? If accurate numbers don't exist, how can you have them. Logic clearly escapes you at every turn.

Quote:


And if nobody cares who I am why am I constanly being pm'ed by people looking for more info?





I don't know and don't care.

Quote:


p.s. There are only 6 or 7out of about 1200 performers working every month posting here. A mere fraction of a fraction of the industry. And it may not even be that many.





I don't know why you included this in your post. 6 or 7 might be right, the 1200 number is wrong. I checked with the PW Union and they have a much larger membership. See, I can make up shit too. Retard.

Quote:


And in my post I said "two or three people who regularly post here".......not two or three people in the industry. If youre going to quote someone do it accurately. But then again, an accurate quote would have made your argument evenweaker so I guess thats why you did it.





If I misquoted you, it was due to your spelling errors.

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#339054 - 11/18/08 04:35 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
bingoo Offline
Stormy's Lawyer

Registered: 10/23/08
Posts: 27
Quote:

Kayden Kross has been sticking it to everybody's favorite scam artist Shelley Lubben over at www.mikesouth.com for several weeks. In Ode to the Dumb Cooze , she seems to have caught Lub-Lub defrauding the Gov






Isnt this the PW who has now been indicted for real estate fraud, cheating a viet nam veteran out of his home and walking away with over $100,000.00.

Perhaps we can rename this thread, Porn Whore Kayden Kross caught in a lie. PRICELESS. For some reason I cant stop laughing.


Edited by bingoo (11/18/08 04:36 PM)

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#339055 - 11/18/08 04:57 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Anonymous
Unregistered


How 'bout we re-name it "Internet Troll Spends Past Month Digging Up Old Threads After Campaign Against Lou Sirkin Fizzles?"

Might be good for a few more laughs.


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#339056 - 11/18/08 05:06 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
bingoo Offline
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Registered: 10/23/08
Posts: 27
Quote:

How 'bout we re-name it Internet Troll Spends Past Month Digging Up Old Threads After Campaign Against Lou Sirkin Fizzles?

Might be good for a few more laughs.






Actually Jim, I spent most of the last month in Australia and South Africa, while I can see that you've been right here everyday living what can only be a most depressing and miserable life. I see it only took you five minutes or so to reply. Is this what you do all day every day? Quite pathtic indeed.

Nice chatting with you.
Maybe you can find some misspelled words in my post to make you feel better about yourself.

And regarding Lous' case, did you see where one of the guys pled GUILTY.

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#339057 - 11/18/08 05:12 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
Anonymous
Unregistered


Right. You haven't been brooding at all, have you Scottie?

Who's the target of your next crusade?

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#339058 - 11/18/08 05:34 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
gia jordan Offline
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Registered: 09/07/05
Posts: 14160
Loc: NYC
Would both of you just STFU?!!!! I spend all damn week working my damn ass off and what little time I have for xpt has turned to junk like this and that captsaveahomo/emily evermoore drama.
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#339059 - 11/18/08 05:41 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
bingoo Offline
Stormy's Lawyer

Registered: 10/23/08
Posts: 27
Quote:

Would both of you just STFU?!!!! I spend all damn week working my damn ass off and what little time I have for xpt has turned to junk like this and that captsaveahomo/emily evermoore drama.





Because you asked so nicely I will honor your request and STFU.

I spend all week working my ass off too. it doesnt make me special. And by working my ass off I dont mean shoving things up my ass, like a good porn whore does.

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#339060 - 11/18/08 07:20 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
gia jordan Offline
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Registered: 09/07/05
Posts: 14160
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Obvs, you're out of the loop. I haven't performed a scene in 2 years and I barely have time to shove things up my ass in my own personal time.
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#339061 - 11/18/08 09:10 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
tattypatty Offline
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Registered: 01/30/08
Posts: 7528
Loc: a site known for its tolerance...
BTW, i stumbled upon a flick of you and another gal blowing Brian Surewood. As a rule, this scenario is one of my faves. But since I've chatted with you, it's kind of a mind-fuck watch you give head to some dude (esp. Mr. Hobo).
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#339062 - 11/18/08 09:38 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
gia jordan Offline
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Registered: 09/07/05
Posts: 14160
Loc: NYC
I feel the same way when I read about you killing all those Jews.
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#339063 - 11/18/08 10:49 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
ChodeMasterJ Offline
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Registered: 08/15/08
Posts: 98
Loc: In a Quantum state
omg that was funny Gia.

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#339064 - 11/19/08 07:58 AM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
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Registered: 06/22/07
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Referring to a group as "nonprofit" because you claim not to personally profit when it is not a registered Nonprofit is one of the oldest scams in the book. She could be making huge money by actively fundraising (sending out mailers, speaking to church groups etc). The point of Nonprofits is transparent finances. Anyone who gave her money expecting a tax deduction can claim fraud. She could go down hard for this.
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#339065 - 11/19/08 03:47 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
freestylah Offline
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Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 4856
Loc: The 4th International
Quote:

...and I barely have time to shove things up my ass in my own personal time.




I suggest you post less on XPT, so you have more time to 'shove things up my ass in my own personal time.' It's all about the choices you make.
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#339066 - 11/19/08 04:18 PM Re: Shelley Caught in Lie by PW...
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Obvs, you're out of the loop. I haven't performed a scene in 2 years and I barely have time to shove things up my ass in my own personal time.



Honey if you are having trouble in that department I would kindly offer my assistance ! You can keep your hands free while I do the deed.
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