How John McCain is Going to Win...

Posted by: LouCypher

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/28/08 08:17 PM

I'm sure the people on your delivery route are impressed.

Posted by: k1ng

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/28/08 08:23 PM

moved the assets of the longshot empire offshore in preparation of the keiko divorce. always one step ahead.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/28/08 08:27 PM

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I'm sure the people on your delivery route are impressed.

Heh, no thanks to that job ever again in my life... and.. sadly... as much as i like current day job... it does lack the excitement of porn.. and a lot more paperwork.

I should have stayed overseas if it wasnt for the fact of not wanting to try to handle a divorce while over there, and wanting to be with my grandfather till he died.

but this thread isnt about me... lets talk politics more.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/28/08 08:30 PM

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moved the assets of the longshot empire offshore in preparation of the keiko divorce. always one step ahead.

^^^^ what he said.

I transferred everything i could out of my name and into family and emptied my main bank acct before asking for the divorce.

fortunately, she decided she didn't want anything anyway. clean break divorce. took all of 25minutes.

Posted by: LouCypher

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/28/08 08:34 PM

Well played Roboyto.. well played.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/28/08 10:49 PM

i think this will be McCains downfall... people will finally notice his secret identity as Max Hardcore.

Posted by: gia jordan

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/28/08 11:03 PM

ZOMG!!! I so needed that to get me out of my pissed off mood. yesss!

Posted by: Soopergrizz

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/29/08 01:26 PM

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I live in a small town in southern Indiana. As heard in a local bar, "I've been a democrat all my life. Never voted republican, ever. But there's no way I'm voting for some danm ni##er."

Obama will have difficulty in the "swing" states.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/29/08 04:48 PM

Max McCain's oval office?

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/29/08 04:59 PM

I can only imagine what happens when he meets with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Posted by: NitneLiun

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/29/08 05:18 PM

I hope there are cameras around when he meets Sarkozy's wife.

Posted by: LouCypher

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/29/08 06:11 PM

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Max McCain's oval office?

Heh..
Well played Rob.

Posted by: smutspov

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/30/08 08:50 AM

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the funny thing is... thats EXACTLY why i want Obama to win... because it will fuck with middle america. McCain is just MOTS... but Obama... the possibilities for the resulting chaos and unrest send shivers down my spine.

That and deep down i'm a filthy socialist.

People like you are exactly why I want Obama to lose, deep down he's a filthy socialist, too. Plus, there'll be a greater possibility of chaos and unrest in the form of riots, if he loses.

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/30/08 07:27 PM

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/30/08 07:30 PM

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People like you are exactly why I want Obama to lose, deep down he's a filthy socialist, too.

at least yall aren't calling us "terrorists" anymore...

Posted by: LouCypher

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/30/08 07:42 PM

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at least yall aren't calling us "terrorists" anymore...

Elabo.. Petal.

It's not cool to be an "us" /b/tard. Now wash your pozzed ass up with some detergent and join the /i/Insurgent, ya politico anti-heter0.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/30/08 07:43 PM

fuck the left,
fuck the right.

Both have become traitors to the people

that is all.

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/30/08 08:32 PM

hahaha

yall kill me

Posted by: gonzo420

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/30/08 08:52 PM

nuff said!

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/30/08 09:18 PM

'nuff said.

Posted by: gonzo420

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/30/08 10:59 PM

A vote for McCain is a vote for Bush!

Nuff fucking said!

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/30/08 11:15 PM

i love when JimB says "nuf'said"

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/30/08 11:17 PM

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/30/08 11:20 PM

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"I'm one tough gazookas that hates all palookas that ain't on the up and square. I biffs 'em and buffs 'em and always out-roughs 'em and none of 'em gets nowhere. So keep good behavior, it's your one lifesaver, with Popeye the Sailor Man. "

he just needs a pipe...

Posted by: Spunko

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 12:38 AM

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Carter was worse.

Unless you're an Iraqi.

Posted by: Bad Habit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 01:09 AM

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Carter was worse.

Worse then what. Bush? :bananaspewingmilkthrunose:

It's easy to make judgment calls backed by almost two decades of hindsight. Bush's bad decisions can be seen in real-time.
Do you really want to compound that by electing the Manchurian Candidate, insane McCain?

You have to agree the country and it's policies are fucked up right now. Any sane person would understand that the course we're on is NOT working.

Why in the world would you keep hitting yourself in the head with a hammer once it finally dawned on you where the pain was coming from?

Posted by: Spunko

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 02:53 AM

I don't disagree. Just saying Carter was worse....because he was.

The late 70s sucked way worse than things do today,hence,Carter was worse.

Unless,of course,you're an Iraqi.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 05:56 AM

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i love when JimB says "nuf'said"

Ummm... see the post above mine.

I think Elab was drinking again last night.

Posted by: smutspov

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 07:13 AM

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People like you are exactly why I want Obama to lose, deep down he's a filthy socialist, too.

at least yall aren't calling us "terrorists" anymore...

Who's ya'll? Both candidates pretty much suck. Are you saying you're a filthy socialist, too, elab? Hope not.

Posted by: NitneLiun

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 07:35 AM

In 1974, many said we could not have a worse POTUS than Nixon and that Ford was just a continuation of Nixon. By 1979, many of them had realized that Nixon was not the worse POTUS in history. I depise Bush for many reasons and because of him I left the GOP. But Barack Fucking Obama. Are you kidding me?

Posted by: the unknown pervert

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 08:30 AM

What the fuck is with the a vote for McCain is a vote for Bush crap. If they were that much alike McCain would have got the VP nomination instead of Cheney. IIRC in 2000 McCain was the choice for Republicans who didn't like Bush. If a vote for McCain was a vote for Bush these people wouldn't have voted for him. This is like saying a vote for Obama is a vote for Kerry or Gore. Maybe McCain would be an asshole but he would not be the same asshole as Bush. He'd be a completely different asshole.

Posted by: smutspov

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 08:42 AM

Yeah, let's dial back to the 2000 campaign when the animosity between McCain and Bush was so thick you could've cut it with a knife. I just think Obama is one of the phoniest politicians of all time.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 08:48 AM

yes, but the McCain of 2008 has decided position himself far up the christian right's ass, among other "changes" from the McCain of 2000.

With the increased likelihood that a few supreme court judges will need to be appointed soon... having a president who is looking to appease the censor, ban and pray crowd is about the most unappealing thing I can think of.

now a president who scares the SHIT out of them and whom they think is the antichrist... thats the biggest endorsement i can think of!

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 09:09 AM

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yes, but the McCain of 2008 has decided position himself far up the christian right's ass, among other "changes" from the McCain of 2000.

I don't see this at all. The jebus freaks still loathe McCain and the extent to which he's drifted right to mollify them is eclipsed by the extent to which Obama has moved to the center to appease the 'bitter" folks he alienated during the primary.

I've said repeatedly that I don't like either of these assholes, but, with some people, if you dare say one word against their sacred cow, you're forever branded "the enemy."

In any event, when a columnist as liberal as Richard Cohen says that McCain has achieved far more in his career than Obama, to the extent that he's hard put to name even one Obama achievement, that says a lot.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 09:17 AM

I'm not an obamashipper by any means... but lets look at some of mccains achievements in his life... bottom of his class in the air force, crashed 5 planes including the time he got caught, was happy to talk for better treatment while in the hanoi hilton.... yep... real american hero right there. Though unlike some presidents at least he showed up for his duty (i'm looking at you bill and george).

i will say though... if Obama shifts more toward the fiscal conservative side... and stays socially liberal i will like him much more. He is already almost there.

However.... lets face it... they all are the same and serve the same masters, eh?

Posted by: Smell of Anus

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 09:21 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0drwfnGlF_E

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 09:21 AM

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they all are the same and serve the same masters, eh?

I don't know about their masters, but, yeah, they suck equally. Just in opposite directions. I'm leaning more and more towards that Steward/Little write-in vote every day.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 09:26 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0drwfnGlF_E

Well, since we're venturing into Elaborator's favorite medium

I'd like to point out that Vernon Reid saw Obama coming 20 years ago.

Posted by: Smell of Anus

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 09:29 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0drwfnGlF_E

Well, since we're venturing into Elaborator's favorite medium I'd like to point out that Vernon Reid saw Obama coming 20 years ago.

It also seems that Idiocracy is not a very bad prediction. Judging from the current climate it will be here within 20 years. CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 09:33 AM

Speaking of seeing things coming...

"The inertia and acquiescence which allows the suspension of our liberties would once have been unthinkable. The present ignorance and indifference is appalling. The little that is worthwhile in our civilization and culture is made possible by the few who are capable of creative thinking and independent action, grudgingly assisted by the rest. When the majority of men surrender their freedom, barbarism is near but when the creative minority surrender it, the Dark Age has arrived. Even the word liberalism has now become a front for a new social form of Christian morality. Science, that was going to save the world back in H.G. Wells' time, is regimented, strait-jacketed and scared; its universal language is diminished to one word, security.

In this 1950 view some of my more hopeful utterances may appear almost naive. However, I was never so naive as to believe that freedom in any full sense of the word is possible for more than a few. But I have believed and do still hold that these few, by self-sacrifice, wisdom, courage and continuous effort, can achieve and maintain a free world. The labor is heroic but it can be done by example and by education. Such was the faith that built America, a faith that America has surrendered. I call upon America to renew this faith before she perishes.

We are one nation but we are also one world. The soul of the slums looks out of the eyes of Wall Street and the fate of a Chinese coolie determines the destiny of America. We cannot suppress our brother's liberty without suppressing our own and we cannot murder our brothers without murdering ourselves. We stand together as men for human freedom and human dignity or we will fall together, as animals, back into the jungle.

In this very late hour it is with solutions that we must be primarily concerned. We seem to be living in a nation that simply does not know what we are told we have and that we tell each other we have. Indeed, it is far more than that. It is to the definition of freedom, to its understanding, in order that it may be attained and defended, that this essay is devoted. I need not add that freedom is dangerous -- but it is hardly possible that we are all cowards."
- JPL founder Jack Whiteside Parsons in the preface to Freedom is a Two Edged Sword.

Personally i believe our system has failed and is corrupt to its very core at this point. Time to start over.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 09:39 AM

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CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!

Seems Darth's already on board:

Posted by: NitneLiun

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 01:23 PM

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I'm not an obamashipper by any means... but lets look at some of mccains achievements in his life... bottom of his class in the air force, crashed 5 planes including the time he got caught, was happy to talk for better treatment while in the hanoi hilton.... yep... real american hero right there. Though unlike some presidents at least he showed up for his duty (i'm looking at you bill and george).

i will say though... if Obama shifts more toward the fiscal conservative side... and stays socially liberal i will like him much more. He is already almost there.

McCain graduated from the Naval Academy. He was not in the Air Force. His experiences in the Hanoi Hilton included brutality that most of us can't comprehend, much less survive. He did not talk to receive better treatment and there is absolutely no evidence that he ever received preferential treatment. Not one of his fellow prisoners has ever indicated that McCain received better treatment than the rest. He did not crash 5 airplanes prior to being shot down. He would have been permanently removed from flight status long before he had a chance to crash a fifth plane.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 01:36 PM

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He did not talk to receive better treatment and there is absolutely no evidence that he ever received preferential treatment.

However, there IS considerable evidence that Hanoi offered him special treatment several times, including early repatriation, in an effort to embarrass his father, who was the top Navy commander in the pacific at that time. To his eternal credit, McCain refused said offers enough times that it earned him multiple beatings and a 2-year stretch in solitary.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 01:40 PM

it was a mistake on the Navy vs Air Force part.

heres some info on the rest of it...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-klein/mccains-secret-questionab_b_107409.html

more on the vietnamvetransagainstjohnmccain site

Posted by: the unknown pervert

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 02:31 PM

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yes, but the McCain of 2008 has decided position himself far up the christian right's ass, among other "changes" from the McCain of 2000.

With the increased likelihood that a few supreme court judges will need to be appointed soon... having a president who is looking to appease the censor, ban and pray crowd is about the most unappealing thing I can think of.

There's a difference between appeasing the religious right and talking out of your ass just to get their vote. McCain and his strategists know if the religious right stays home on Election Day it will be hard for him to beat Obama. I'm betting however if you look closely he has his fingers crossed when making his pledges for them null and void in actuality. Or do you really believe presidential candidates follow up on campaign promises?

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 02:46 PM

he would if he wants a second term now wouldnt he.

Posted by: gonzo420

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 02:48 PM

The republicans should of picked someone else other than John McCain if they wanted to win this election. They don't have a hope in hell!

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 03:01 PM

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 03:08 PM

Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war. McCain III's grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

Robert Timberg, author of The Nightingale's Song, a book about Annapolis graduates and their tours in Vietnam, wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it."

McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula," Timberg wrote, "he took out some power lines [reminiscent of the 1998 incident in which a Marine Corps jet sliced through the cables of a gondola at an Italian ski resort, killing 20] which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

McCain's third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

Timberg reported that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees.

McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

After being drug from the lake, a mob gathered around McCain, spit on him, kicked him and stripped him of his clothing. He was bayoneted in his left foot and his shoulder crushed by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

After being periodically slapped around for "three or four days" by his captors who wanted military information, McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain.

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Page 193-194, Faith of My Fathers by John McCain.

When the communist learned that McCain's father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable for U.S. POWs.

The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW McCain's father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince."

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

"McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat," explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. "Since McCain got 28 medals," Bell continues, "that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."

For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America's POW-hero presidential candidate.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 03:43 PM

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I don't think it matters what McCain or Obama do. I'm pretty sure the republicans have the voting machines rigged.

Fenris

Those nice republicans..naw..never.....they woundnt cheat.....you can bet your 37th President of the United States on that one.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 03:50 PM

Or your 43rd, for that matter.

I'm no fan of McCain by any stretch of the imagination. But an Obama presidency would be a disaster for the country and an even bigger one for the long-term prospects for the Democratic party.

Remember the backlash after four years of Carter? That's nothing compared to what will happen if little boy gets in.

Posted by: Spunko

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 07/31/08 09:08 PM

[tritone]Did you just say boy?[/tritone]

Posted by: Gunker

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/01/08 09:11 PM

McCain will win by capturing Applesaucer on the Iraq/Pakistan border.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GayO4pc8S_A

Applesaucer wins this round!

Posted by: freestylah

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/02/08 04:52 AM

"McCain will win by capturing Applesaucer on the Iraq/Pakistan border."

Iraq/Pakistan border? Have you been drinking, Gunker?

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/02/08 12:11 PM

He must have been drinking if he thought that clip was either relevant or funny.

The Obama sense of Humor:

Posted by: Bad Habit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/02/08 01:06 PM

The only thing Dubya did right, Natalie:

The only thing he ALMOST got right, trailer trash Jenna:

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/02/08 01:20 PM

Who's this Natalie chick? She can't have anything to do with Dubya. He couldn't possibly get anything like that right.

Posted by: Bad Habit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/02/08 02:05 PM

Sorry, my mistake. The pink bikini shut my brain down for a few moments.
I thought Natalie Bush was Jeb's Daughter, Dubya's niece, but no.

I guess it was just wishful thinking on my part the Georgie boy had done SOMETHING, however remote, that I would admire. (I know, grasping at straws.)

I have no idea who she is but she certainly is pleasant to look at. Please forgive my faux pas.

Posted by: Gunker

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/02/08 07:32 PM

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"McCain will win by capturing Applesaucer on the Iraq/Pakistan border."

Iraq/Pakistan border? Have you been drinking, Gunker?

Yes, I've have been drinking, but this is a reference to a McCain gaffe on "Good Morning America."

"Asked on ABC's "Good Morning America" about the situation in Afghanistan -- where both presidential candidates call for sending more US troops to take on the resurgent Taliban and root out al Qaeda, McCain replied.

"I think it's serious. . . . It's a serious situation, but there's a lot of things we need to do. We have a lot of work to do and I'm afraid it's a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the Iraq/Pakistan border.""

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/07/mccain_appears.html

Posted by: windsock

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/02/08 07:38 PM

USa anoinytiung MccaIn its figurehead is the next logical step. The man is electronically programmed and electronically warmthed when to smile and feel connection. It's all orchestrateds, but Obama couyld selfishly fuck someone. MccAine is dead. He is kept alive by old.... big.... money artlessly cynically ludicrouysly...we shgould lynch and eviscreerrate alll these motherfuckers. Yeah? God save the Queen.

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/02/08 08:35 PM

Jeb's daughter

Posted by: Bad Habit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/02/08 10:36 PM

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USa anoinytiung MccaIn its figurehead is the next logical step. The man is electronically programmed and electronically warmthed when to smile and feel connection. It's all orchestrateds, but Obama couyld selfishly fuck someone. MccAine is dead. He is kept alive by old.... big.... money artlessly cynically ludicrouysly...we shgould lynch and eviscreerrate alll these motherfuckers. Yeah? God save the Queen.

That's one of the most entertaining things I've read all day and I'm not quite sure what you said.

I'll read it again after I've had a few

Posted by: Bluecipher

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/03/08 07:35 AM

Windsock waxes poetic -

Posted by: Bad Habit

See You at the Debates, Bitches - 08/06/08 10:10 PM

My opinion of this girl just went up a notch.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d

Posted by: Anonymous

"Hope???" "Change???" "$$$???" - 08/16/08 05:26 PM

Allies Ask Obama to Make ‘Hope’ More Specific

As Senator Barack Obama prepares to accept the Democratic presidential nomination next week, party leaders in battleground states say the fight ahead against Senator John McCain looks tougher than they imagined, with Mr. Obama vulnerable on multiple fronts despite weeks of cross-country and overseas campaigning.

These Democrats — 15 governors, members of Congress and state party leaders — say Mr. Obama has yet to convert his popularity among many Americans into solutions to crucial electoral challenges: showing ownership of an issue, like economic stewardship or national security; winning over supporters of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton; and minimizing his race and experience level as concerns for voters.

Mr. Obama has run for the last 18 months as the candidate of hope. Yet party leaders — while enthusiastic about Mr. Obama and his state-by-state campaign operations — say he must do more to convince the many undecided Democrats and independents that he would address their financial anxieties rather than run, by and large, as an agent of change — given that change, they note, is not an issue.

“I particularly hope he strengthens his economic message — even Senator Obama can speak more clearly and specifically about the kitchen-table, bread-and-butter issues like high energy costs,” said Gov. Ted Strickland of Ohio. “It’s fine to tell people about hope and change, but you have to have plenty of concrete, pragmatic ideas that bring hope and change to life.”

Or, in the blunter words of Gov. Phil Bredesen, Democrat of Tennessee: “Instead of giving big speeches at big stadiums, he needs to give straight-up 10-word answers to people at Wal-Mart about how he would improve their lives.”

NY TIMES

Posted by: elaborator

Re: "Hope???" "Change???" "$$$???" - 08/16/08 09:44 PM

shit... like McSame has done anything even CLOSE to that....

the Dems are always held to such a higher level.

you idiot republicans...

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: "Hope???" "Change???" "$$$???" - 08/17/08 06:41 AM

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the Dems are always held to such a higher level.

you idiot republicans...

I'm not a Republican.

Neither are the fifteen Democratic governors, members of Congress and state party leaders asking Obama to , ummm... elaborate upon his platitudes.

If Democrats are telling him this, maybe there's something to it.

Posted by: Smell of Anus

Re: "Hope???" "Change???" "$$$???" - 08/17/08 10:45 AM

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shit... like McSame has done anything even CLOSE to that....

the Dems are always held to such a higher level.

you idiot republicans...

I agree. Why does the republican party always get such a favourable treatment by the media compared to the democrats??

Fucking idiot messiah cultist. CHANGE! People like you are what is ruining the concept of democracy, making it degenerate into the giant mother-in-law it is turning into.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/21/08 10:34 PM

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How John McCain is Going to Win...

By letting Obama be Obama.

McCain takes 5-point lead over Obama

WASHINGTON - In a sharp turnaround, Republican John McCain has opened a 5-point lead on Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. presidential race and is seen as a stronger manager of the economy, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

McCain leads Obama among likely U.S. voters by 46 percent to 41 percent, wiping out Obama's solid 7-point advantage in July and taking his first lead in the monthly Reuters/Zogby poll.

The reversal follows a month of attacks by McCain, who has questioned Obama's experience, criticized his opposition to most new offshore oil drilling and mocked his overseas trip.

The poll was taken Thursday through Saturday as Obama wrapped up a weeklong vacation in Hawaii that ceded the political spotlight to McCain, who seized on Russia's invasion of Georgia to emphasize his foreign policy views.

"There is no doubt the campaign to discredit Obama is paying off for McCain right now," pollster John Zogby said. "This is a significant ebb for Obama."

McCain now has a 9-point edge, 49 percent to 40 percent, over Obama on the critical question of who would be the best manager of the economy -- an issue nearly half of voters said was their top concern in the November 4 presidential election...

McCain has been on the offensive against Obama during the last month over energy concerns, with polls showing strong majorities supporting his call for an expansion of offshore oil drilling as gasoline prices hover near $4 a gallon.

Obama had opposed new offshore drilling, but said recently he would support a limited expansion as part of a comprehensive energy program.

That was one of several recent policy shifts for Obama, as he positions himself for the general election battle. But Zogby said the changes could be taking a toll on Obama's support, particularly among Democrats and self-described liberals.

"That hairline difference between nuance and what appears to be flip-flopping is hurting him with liberal voters," Zogby said.

Obama's support among Democrats fell 9 percentage points this month to 74 percent, while McCain has the backing of 81 percent of Republicans. Support for Obama, an Illinois senator, fell 12 percentage points among liberals, with 10 percent of liberals still undecided compared to 9 percent of conservatives.

Obama needs to work on base

"Conservatives were supposed to be the bigger problem for McCain," Zogby said. "Obama still has work to do on his base. At this point McCain seems to be doing a better job with his."

The dip in support for Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, cut across demographic and ideological lines. He slipped among Catholics, born-again Christians, women, independents and younger voters. He retained the support of more than 90 percent of black voters.

"There were no wild swings, there isn't one group that is radically different than last month or even two months ago. It was just a steady decline for Obama across the board," Zogby said.

Obama's support among voters between the ages of 18 and 29, which had been one of his strengths, slipped 12 percentage points to 52 percent. McCain, who will turn 72 next week, was winning 40 percent of younger voters.

"Those are not the numbers Obama needs to win," Zogby said about Americans under 30. The 47-year-old is counting on a strong turnout among young voters, a key bloc of support during his primary battle with New York Sen. Hillary Clinton.

It made little difference when independent candidate Ralph Nader and Libertarian Party candidate Bob Barr, who are both trying to add their names to state ballots.

McCain still held a 5-point edge over Obama, 44 percent to 39 percent, when all four names were included. Barr earned 3 percent and Nader 2 percent.

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/21/08 10:43 PM

HAHA....

how many homes does McCain have anyway?

nice use of the ONE poll that has had McSame over Obama...

an anomaly...

oh yeah Jimby you arent a republican tho hahah

i thought yr people didn't pay attention to polls...you need to look at the number of registered voters state per state...

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/21/08 10:50 PM

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oh yeah Jimby you arent a republican tho hahah

I don't have to be a republican to dislike Obama. Unlike you, I have a mind of my own.

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you need to look at the number of registered voters state per state...

I've actually worked Presidential campaigns for Democratic candidates while you sat around jerking off to Kos and know electoral math better than you ever will. What the fuck are you trying to say here?

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nice use of the ONE poll that has had McSame over Obama...

So you're saying that MSNBC, home of Keith Olberman, shills for McCain?

You been drinking again?

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/22/08 12:04 AM

re reading all of it again, your right papercut... we cannot directly attribute #4 to McCain, but we can assert from the whole collection that he is a cyborg sent from the future to start Judgment Day.

(they just replaced the "flying planes" program with the "senior moments" and "loose lips" programs...)

I'm calling John Conner

Posted by: the unknown pervert

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/22/08 07:33 AM

Quote:

Quote:

How John McCain is Going to Win...

By letting Obama be Obama.

McCain takes 5-point lead over Obama

WASHINGTON - In a sharp turnaround, Republican John McCain has opened a 5-point lead on Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. presidential race and is seen as a stronger manager of the economy, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

McCain leads Obama among likely U.S. voters by 46 percent to 41 percent, wiping out Obama's solid 7-point advantage in July and taking his first lead in the monthly Reuters/Zogby poll.

The reversal follows a month of attacks by McCain, who has questioned Obama's experience, criticized his opposition to most new offshore oil drilling and mocked his overseas trip.

The poll was taken Thursday through Saturday as Obama wrapped up a weeklong vacation in Hawaii that ceded the political spotlight to McCain, who seized on Russia's invasion of Georgia to emphasize his foreign policy views.

"There is no doubt the campaign to discredit Obama is paying off for McCain right now," pollster John Zogby said. "This is a significant ebb for Obama."
McCain now has a 9-point edge, 49 percent to 40 percent, over Obama on the critical question of who would be the best manager of the economy -- an issue nearly half of voters said was their top concern in the November 4 presidential election...

McCain has been on the offensive against Obama during the last month over energy concerns, with polls showing strong majorities supporting his call for an expansion of offshore oil drilling as gasoline prices hover near $4 a gallon.

Obama had opposed new offshore drilling, but said recently he would support a limited expansion as part of a comprehensive energy program.

That was one of several recent policy shifts for Obama, as he positions himself for the general election battle. But Zogby said the changes could be taking a toll on Obama's support, particularly among Democrats and self-described liberals.

"That hairline difference between nuance and what appears to be flip-flopping is hurting him with liberal voters," Zogby said.

Obama's support among Democrats fell 9 percentage points this month to 74 percent, while McCain has the backing of 81 percent of Republicans. Support for Obama, an Illinois senator, fell 12 percentage points among liberals, with 10 percent of liberals still undecided compared to 9 percent of conservatives.

Obama needs to work on base

"Conservatives were supposed to be the bigger problem for McCain," Zogby said. "Obama still has work to do on his base. At this point McCain seems to be doing a better job with his."

The dip in support for Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, cut across demographic and ideological lines. He slipped among Catholics, born-again Christians, women, independents and younger voters. He retained the support of more than 90 percent of black voters.

"There were no wild swings, there isn't one group that is radically different than last month or even two months ago. It was just a steady decline for Obama across the board," Zogby said.

Obama's support among voters between the ages of 18 and 29, which had been one of his strengths, slipped 12 percentage points to 52 percent. McCain, who will turn 72 next week, was winning 40 percent of younger voters.

"Those are not the numbers Obama needs to win," Zogby said about Americans under 30. The 47-year-old is counting on a strong turnout among young voters, a key bloc of support during his primary battle with New York Sen. Hillary Clinton.

It made little difference when independent candidate Ralph Nader and Libertarian Party candidate Bob Barr, who are both trying to add their names to state ballots.

McCain still held a 5-point edge over Obama, 44 percent to 39 percent, when all four names were included. Barr earned 3 percent and Nader 2 percent.

I'm willing to bet that if the tables were turned MSNBC would have used the words criticisms and campaigned instead of attacks and on the offensive. Also can anyone here explain to me why the part I put in bold type needed to be mentioned in this story. It is not in one bit germane to the topic and would not change the context of the story in anyway if it was omitted. Except that it plants a subtle unspoken accusation of racism at the voters that have backed off of Obama.

Posted by: big moose

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/22/08 12:03 PM

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The dip in support for Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, cut across demographic and ideological lines. He slipped among Catholics, born-again Christians, women, independents and younger voters. He retained the support of more than 90 percent of black voters.

...Also can anyone here explain to me why the part I put in bold type needed to be mentioned in this story...Except that it plants a subtle unspoken accusation of racism at the voters that have backed off of Obama.

it's mentioned a lot because it's a big, important deal that people believe that a black guy has a legit shot to actually win the presidency. it would be hugely historic if he won. (he won't, though, so don't lose sleep about what might happen) acknowledging that has nothing to do with accusing you of being racist.

y'all are some eagle-eye motherfuckers when it comes to finding and exposing examples of the media's bias against rich white men, but it's weird to me how you seem to have no problem swallowing whole the image of black folks you are fed.

Posted by: the unknown pervert

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/22/08 03:15 PM

If the story was titled "Black Man Has Chance to Make History" or "Black Man Could Become President" then pointing out that Obama is black would be relevant. But this story is about McCain closing ground on Obama. Unless they are inferring that McCain closed the gap because Obama is black his race is irrelevant. Would it have made any sense to say "McCain, who would be the 43rd white man to become president, ...." in the article?

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/22/08 03:55 PM

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it's mentioned a lot because it's a big, important deal that people believe that a black guy has a legit shot to actually win the presidency. it would be hugely historic if he won. (he won't, though, so don't lose sleep about what might happen) acknowledging that has nothing to do with accusing you of being racist.

y'all are some eagle-eye motherfuckers when it comes to finding and exposing examples of the media's bias against rich white men, but it's weird to me how you seem to have no problem swallowing whole the image of black folks you are fed.

FWIW, if Obama performs no other service to his country, he's made it a lot easier for a responsible black Democrat to run in the future. But equating dislike of Obama with racism per se is as intellectually lazy and as knee-jerk a reaction as eblab equating it with being a Republican.

Posted by: big moose

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/22/08 07:04 PM

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But equating dislike of Obama with racism per se is as intellectually lazy and as knee-jerk a reaction as eblab equating it with being a Republican.

i'm not doing this, so why are you telling it to me?

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...Would it have made any sense to say "McCain, who would be the 43rd white man to become president, ...." in the article?

i'd say no, because like every president ever has been a white male, so it isn't notable in the least. it's the default setting. mentioning it isn't giving obama a special advantage, i don't believe, but we seem to disagree on that.

there seems to be the sentiment on this board that if black folks think something is unfair they should just shut their trap, suck it up and deal with it, because that's what white people do when the going gets tough. where exactly does that viewpoint disappear to when you believe white people are treated unfairly?

Posted by: 6655321

Obama/Biden - 08/22/08 09:35 PM

you read it here first. unless ive been red herring-ed in which case its Chet Edwards.

im offically a better journalist than Durrah

Posted by: Darrah

Re: Obama/Biden - 08/22/08 10:17 PM

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you read it here first. unless ive been red herring-ed in which case its Chet Edwards.

im offically a better journalist than Durrah

You're porn's version of Enzo Biagi?

Posted by: 6655321

Re: Obama/Biden - 08/22/08 10:46 PM

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you read it here first. unless ive been red herring-ed in which case its Chet Edwards.

im offically a better journalist than Durrah

posted 1hr 30min before the AP got its grubby hands on it.

Posted by: Random

Re: Obama/Biden - 08/22/08 10:53 PM

Gee, how fucking astute of you, Longshot. It's only been the top story on every cable news station all night long, what with it being confirmed earlier that Bayh and Kaine were already notified that they WEREN'T picked.

Posted by: Bornyo

McCain/Whoever he picks - 08/22/08 10:55 PM

You heard it here first- whoever McCain picks and McCain will win.

You heard it here MONTHS in advance.

Posted by: Gunker

Re: Obama/Biden - 08/22/08 10:55 PM

Hell, I was saying that in my department Friday morning, and my co-workers said "wuh?"

He's an attack dog (ala Bush's Cheney in 2000) and quite learned in foreign affairs.

However, he runs his mouth off before he thinks, and will provide more distracting "talking points" for the corporate media to harp on as distractions from the core issues (i.e. Republican Party as the Wrecking Crew*)

*-http://www.amazon.com/Wrecking-Crew-How-Conservatives-Rule/dp/0805079882

Posted by: 6655321

Re: Obama/Biden - 08/22/08 11:18 PM

it was mostly down to Biden or C. Edwards. Edwards sadly for him was knocked out of the running in the end due in part to the actions of another Edwards and the Obama campaign not wanting voters to confuse the two at the polls. Biden of course also got the advantage among senior campaign staff because of his age, foreign affairs experience and because he provides a great counterpoint to McCain.

Posted by: Gigi

Re: McCain/Whoever he picks - 08/23/08 06:49 AM

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You heard it here first- whoever McCain picks and McCain will win.

You heard it here MONTHS in advance.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: McCain/Whoever he picks - 08/23/08 12:52 PM

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You heard it here first- Lieberman and McCain wont win because white republican types and some democrats hate jews way more than blacks.

You heard it here MONTHS in advance.

fixed

Posted by: Gigi

Re: McCain/Whoever he picks - 08/23/08 02:29 PM

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white republican types and some democrats hate jews way more than blacks.

no way, we hate the nigs waaay more. like not even a contest, really.

Posted by: taint1974

Re: McCain/Whoever he picks - 08/23/08 04:38 PM

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You heard it here first- Lieberman and McCain wont win because white republican types and some democrats hate jews way more than blacks.

You heard it here MONTHS in advance.

If McCain picks a jew it's going to be Virginia Congressman Eric Cantor, he's from a state McCain needs to win, 45 years old and super pro-Israel(white republican's love supporting Israel).

fixed

Posted by: xvod

Re: McCain/Whoever he picks - 08/24/08 12:14 PM

I've flip-flopped. I said earlier that McCain would win... I now think Obama will lose.

I can't believe what a pompous, self-absorbed ass Obama is.

1) He's campaigned for 'change' since day one, then he picks a VP that's been in office since most of us were in diapers. Sounds pretty status-qou to me and everyone else.

2) He fucks over Hillary (not that I support her) who holds the keys to 18 million votes. 5.4 million wouldn't commit to supporting Obama until he made his VP choice (Hillary) and 3.6 million already say they will vote McCain.

If NObama really wanted to be sitting in the Oval Office come November, he would have picked Hillary and won by a landslide.

What I'd really like to see is McCain go across party lines and pick Hillary as VP - just to make things more interesting since both candidates are BORING!

Democrats would cry foul, Republicans would just plain cry.

Posted by: taint1974

Re: McCain/Whoever he picks - 08/24/08 01:47 PM

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I've flip-flopped. I said earlier that McCain would win... I now think Obama will lose.

I can't believe what a pompous, self-absorbed ass Obama is.

1) He's campaigned for 'change' since day one, then he picks a VP that's been in office since most of us were in diapers. Sounds pretty status-qou to me and everyone else.

2) He fucks over Hillary (not that I support her) who holds the keys to 18 million votes. 5.4 million wouldn't commit to supporting Obama until he made his VP choice (Hillary) and 3.6 million already say they will vote McCain.

If NObama really wanted to be sitting in the Oval Office come November, he would have picked Hillary and won by a landslide.

What I'd really like to see is McCain go across party lines and pick Hillary as VP - just to make things more interesting since both candidates are BORING!

Democrats would cry foul, Republicans would just plain cry.

If Obama picked Hillary as his Veep the chances that Dion would be adding a verse to "Abraham, Martin & John" in September 2010, would sit at about 85%.

Posted by: the unknown pervert

Re: McCain/Whoever he picks - 08/24/08 09:47 PM

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2) He fucks over Hillary (not that I support her) who holds the keys to 18 million votes. 5.4 million wouldn't commit to supporting Obama until he made his VP choice (Hillary) and 3.6 million already say they will vote McCain.

If NObama really wanted to be sitting in the Oval Office come November, he would have picked Hillary and won by a landslide.

You never pick a VP nominee that wants the job of President more than you do. And you especially do not pick one that wants the job more than you do and has more stroke with the Secret Service than you do.

Posted by: Bornyo

Re: McCain/Whoever he picks - 08/24/08 11:20 PM

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...And you especially do not pick one that wants the job more than you do and has more stroke with the Secret Service than you do.

I'm not quite sure what you mean but there is no love for the Clintons among the secret service. None at all.

Posted by: the unknown pervert

Re: McCain/Whoever he picks - 08/25/08 01:03 AM

Good. If I was in Obama's shoes and had Hillary as a VP I would be giving all my speeches and press conferences on a trampoline. I would have figured as slick as the Clintons are they could come up with a way to make sure someone in the S.S. had to scratch their nose at just the right time.

Posted by: Jigaloo

Re: McCain/Whoever he picks - 08/25/08 06:21 AM

Barry Obama would have had to choose Sherman Hemsley as his VP to get me to vote for him.

Posted by: Jigaloo

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/26/08 10:13 AM

Obama is a mulatto, you'd think he'd be smart enough to have married a white woman.

Posted by: Paranoid

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/26/08 11:19 AM

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Obama is a mulatto, you'd think he'd be smart enough to have married a white woman.

Hmmm...

Posted by: RenfieldGyps

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/26/08 07:20 PM

I dont understand about the way they do it. Why do they wait so long to pick a vice president running mate? If the pres dies this person will be the next pres, why do they give us only 2 months to get to know him and dig up dirt on him??

Posted by: Spunko

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/26/08 08:28 PM

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I dont understand about the way they do it. Why do they wait so long to pick a vice president running mate? If the pres dies this person will be the next pres, why do they give us only 2 months to get to know him and dig up dirt on him??

So we only have months to get to know him and dig up dirt on him.

Duh.

Posted by: RenfieldGyps

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/27/08 07:46 AM

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I dont understand about the way they do it. Why do they wait so long to pick a vice president running mate? If the pres dies this person will be the next pres, why do they give us only 2 months to get to know him and dig up dirt on him??

So we only have months to get to know him and dig up dirt on him.

Duh.

What do you mean DUH? Why do we have to watch McCain and Obama for fucking months upon months prior to elections and not the vice? Makes no sense to me.

Posted by: the unknown pervert

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/27/08 05:45 PM

No one goes into the election cycle with the goal of running for vice-president. They either want the whole enchilada or none of it. You have to wait until after some of the crap has been filtered out of the election water when some of the candidates realize that their only chance is to get a VP nomination then hope for a landing gear malfunction on Air Force One.

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/28/08 07:43 PM

McSame aint nothin but dookey and geritol

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 09:39 AM

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How John McCain is Going to Win...

First: By being gracious and congratulating Obama on making history;

Second: By picking a woman as his running mate.

This ain't Karl Rove's campaign...

Posted by: tattypatty

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 09:50 AM

Haha! She's got that 'MILF video' look goin' on...

Posted by: Paranoid

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 09:54 AM

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Haha! She's got that 'MILF video' look goin' on...

She has some DSL going on for sure.

totally

Posted by: Bornyo

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 10:27 AM

Posted by: Paranoid

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 10:32 AM

niiiiiiiiice, 80's style.

Posted by: Stevie Why

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 10:59 AM

I think McCain has already signed his defeat by selecting her; does America really want a possible president when McCain's one blocked blood vessel away from a stroke who has the same drawl as the chick from "Frago?" What a totally baffling choice; I think he would have had a helluva lot better chance choosing that milk face Mitt Romney at this point.

Ali G on a woman president vs. Saddam Hussein:

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But ain't there the problem that if he declares war that she'll start crying and everything?

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 11:15 AM

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I think McCain has already signed his defeat by selecting her...

On the contrary. She's a known reformer who took down her entrenched, corrupt predecessor (who was also a Republican.) She has executive experience as Mayor and Governor vs. Obama's experience as a part-time legislator. And her eldest son is scheduled to be deployed to Iraq in about two weeks. I don't see what you're getting at here.

Posted by: Da Burglar

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 11:27 AM

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Haha! She's got that 'MILF video' look goin' on...

She actually is very attractive in that dynamic-smart woman kinda way...she was in Vogue recently and has been complimented on her fashion sense quite a bit. She probably has Gia's vote...

Along with pics of her with a mouth full of splooge, I'd love to see Gia in some womens' Business Power suits like Governor Palin always wears in her Office in Alaska, very similar like the Mayflower Madam used to wear.

Posted by: Bornyo

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 11:35 AM

www.mikesouth.com has a whore who looks a lot like her.

Hopefully Mike can figure out a way to make some scratch off her. We already suggested a new series with Dave Cummings as McCain and Debbie Leigh as Plavin,(Tails from the Campaign Trail, or Erection '08) but South says the whore has a soft spot for Krispy Kreme and weighs in around 400lbs now.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 11:37 AM

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I think McCain has already signed his defeat by selecting her...

On the contrary. She's a known reformer who took down her entrenched, corrupt predecessor (who was also a republican.) She has executive experience as Mayor and Governor vs. Obama's experience as a part-time legislator. And her eldest son is scheduled to be deployed to Iraq in about two weeks. I don't see what you're getting at here.

*cough* 2 years experience. Governor of a state with a population of less than most cities.

Sorry... this was a mistake for McCain and I for one am grateful he made it. She will be killed by Biden in the Debate, as McCain will be eaten alive by Obama.

Not to mention these two in the whitehouse would be a civil rights nightmare. Bye bye freedom of speech, expression, press, etc... Bring on more corporatism, warmongering, and the evangelical theocracy. Praise jesus or you are a traitor and a terrorist..

You want more prosecutions in porn... fine vote for these two. Wait till vivid gets that obscenity indictment. Have the last 8 yrs taught you nothing, have Rob Black, Max Hardcore, Jeff, etc taught you nothing.

If ignorance is bliss then, politically, sometimes i think this board is the happiest place on earth.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 11:51 AM

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2 years experience. Governor of a state with a population of less than most cities.

Yep. Two years more experience than Obama the part-time legislator has.

And honestly, I don't see either McCain or Pallin being anywhere near as bad on Civil Liberties as Bush was. Certainly not in terms of obscenity prosecutions. That was Bush and his "evangelical theocrats."

Speaking of which, last I checked, the bible-thumpers loathed McCain. Don't know where you're getting your news from, but it must be a "blissful" place, indeed.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 12:02 PM

she is an evangelical. and mccain has something to prove to the evangelicals if he wants to get elected by them. guarantee they will keep with a conservative AG.

This would be a disaster for this country.

Posted by: Bornyo

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 12:11 PM

She was a good get. Strong chance of picking up some of Hillarys 18 million votes. What's not to love...

Married her high school sweetheart.
Husband is a fisherman, works for BP and is a long time union member. Is also a champion snowmobiler.
Has five kids. Eldest joined the Army on 9/11 last year and ships out to Iraq on 9/11 this year.
Of the five kids, the youngest has Downs and she knew this and choose not to end the pregnancy.
Was a Miss Alaska runner up and took the scholarship and went to college to get her Bachelors degree.
Worked with her husband on the fishing boat and survived a wreck in the boat, broke all the fingers in her two hands.
Was a City Council member (two terms, 92-96).
Went on to become mayor where she reduced her salary AND reduced property taxes by 60%.
Was on a state commission investigating fraud and cleaned house, regardless of party membership.
Is now governor and has been cleaning house there also. AND, taking on big oil!

As to Obama's campaign committee complaints, she has more fiscal experience than he does AND has as much foreign government experience. She visited Germany also in an official capacity and she DID visit the troops and the troops in the hospitals.

While Obama spent most of the time on the bench in the championship game for his school, her free shot won the championship for her high school basketball team. She did it with a stress fracture.

If I didn't know better I'd think McCain had selected Bad Habit!

Posted by: Stevie Why

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 12:12 PM

I still think McCain should have gone with Pawlenty and put five different states in the mid-west in strong contention. What's Palin's big claim to fame? She took down Ted fucking Steven's business partner/senate/governor friend? Picking someone as unknown as her is going to put the media on his trail and they're going to pick up on every bumbling trip McCain takes down a grocery aisle from here on out.

McCain's touting his "bipartisanship" but that's not what his base wants to hear; it might be realistic given the Dem's control of Congress, but I think turn-out is going to be the big factor on election day. McCain is not going to get the bible thumpers out there, and even then the 1-2% of people who are going to go with Bob Barr or write in Ron Paul are going to further erode him.

My prediction: Obama 53%, McCain 45%. Electoral win by 50-60 points.

She also has a son with Down Syndrome...hasn't eight years with one retard in the White House been enough?

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 12:16 PM

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This would be a disaster for this country.

As big a disaster as surrendering to the muslims? As big as appeasing Ahmadinijad and Khameni on the nuclear issue?

As much as the prospect of Rudy G. as Attorney General scares me, these things scare me a hell of a lot more.

Besides, if Bush hasn't been able to shut down the industry by now, what makes you think McCain is going to. So far, the fundies won one with Max, lost BIG TIME with Jeff and have gone nowhere with your pal Rob Black. I don't see their record improving much. Sorry, Rob.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 12:32 PM

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they're going to pick up on every bumbling trip McCain takes down a grocery aisle from here on out.

I'm pretty sure that the only people who paid attention to that clip are Gunker and elaborator. It doesn't resonate with the public like Ford falling down the stairs, or Bush the Elder not knowing how the checkout line worked.

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McCain's touting his "bipartisanship" but that's not what his base wants to hear; it might be realistic given the Dem's control of Congress, but I think turn-out is going to be the big factor on election day. McCain is not going to get the bible thumpers out there, and even then the 1-2% of people who are going to go with Bob Barr or write in Ron Paul are going to further erode him.

So who exactly are the bible-thumpers going to vote for? Obama? Please Stevie. That would be their worst nightmare come true. And they're sure as hell not going to chance it by voting for Barr, or any other fringe candidate. They know what Nader cost Gore in 2000.

Fact is, the die hards on both sides would vote for their respective parties if Pol Pot and Franco were the candidates. This is going to come down to the undecideds, and, with them in mind, this is a smart move.

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She also has a son with Down Syndrome...hasn't eight years with one retard in the White House been enough?

Right, because a four-month-old infant has so much influence on affairs of State.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 12:34 PM

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This would be a disaster for this country.

As big a disaster as surrendering to the muslims? As big as appeasing Ahmadinijad and Khameni on the nuclear issue?

As much as the prospect of Rudy G. as Attorney General scares me, these things scare me a hell of a lot more.

Besides, if Bush hasn't been able to shut down the industry by now, what makes you think McCain is going to. So far, the fundies won one with Max, lost BIG TIME with Jeff and have gone nowhere with your pal Rob Black. I don't see their record improving much. Sorry, Rob.

once they get one win, they get a precedent. Thats what Robs original point was... that if he could win, then everyone could win.... but if he lost it would set up for the next in line and they slowly whittle down. And yes... they got nowhere with Rob... but they got what they wanted by milking him dry financially.

Are you really drinking the fear kool-aid? There is a middle ground between surrender and antagonism. We can open dialogues and when necessary adjust policies in order to cool the tides of conflict. We can work with the international community rather than be Israels bitch thug patrol. We are a joke in the international community right now...

Do you really think that right NOW we are safer from extremist muslims than we were on 9/11? We have done nothing since that day but stir up MORE hatred and breed more extremism... Now we are staring down the barrel of a new cold war... WHICH MCCAIN WILL AND IS PROUDLY STOKING THE FIRES OF! Who are you more afraid of... Iran having a couple SHORT RANGE, low power nukes that at most will hit Israel? or stirring up a war with a country that has a few THOUSAND ICBM's armed with extremely high power nuclear warheads.

Sorry, i fear AG Rudy G. (or any other choice) and whatever supreme court pick McCain will likely get during his term, way more than i fear Ahmadinijad. The terror in the distance is nothing but a distraction away from the terror in your own home.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 12:42 PM

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Sorry, i fear AG Rudy G... way more than i fear Ahmadinijad.

You can make statements like this, support a would-be messiah, and run around like fringe porn's answer to Chicken Little... and still accuse others of drinking Kool-Aid?

No wonder you live in Florida.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 12:57 PM

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Sorry, i fear AG Rudy G... way more than i fear Ahmadinijad.

You can make statements like this, support a would-be messiah, and run around like fringe porn's answer to Chicken Little... and still accuse others of drinking Kool-Aid?

No wonder you live in Florida.

Whos being the chicken little. Ahmadinijad is a little man with very little threat to the US... Israel maybe... but they are not my concern, nor should they be.

The real threats to freedom and the lives of americans are sitting in seats of governmental power in our own country.

I don't fear the scarecrow... straw men cannot hurt you as much as the man telling you you should be afraid of it intends to.

Posted by: Stevie Why

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 12:59 PM

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I'm pretty sure that the only people who paid attention to that clip are Gunker and elaborator. It doesn't resonate with the public like Ford falling down the stairs, or Bush the Elder not knowing how the checkout line worked.

It hasn't resonated...yet. A month out McCain's gaffes with his increasingly busy schedule are going to turn him into a slowly-walking, octogenarian Gomer Pyle. It will make a difference.

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So who exactly are the bible-thumpers going to vote for? Obama? Please Stevie. That would be their worst nightmare come true. And they're sure as hell not going to chance it by voting for Barr, or any other fringe candidate. They know what Nader cost Gore in 2000.

A portion of them will not vote at all; bible thumpers are no different than any other group. If they're not excited they're not going to turn out.

And the same way those right-leaning "Independents" learned their lesson with Perot in 1992 and 1996, right? McCain's looking more and more like Dole every day.

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Right, because a four-month-old infant has so much influence on affairs of State.

I just don't want retard diaper shit wiped all over a few presidential portraits.

Or given that she's a pro-life, anti-contraception woman still getting knocked up, are you ready to give her 9 months for paternity leave when she refuses to have an abortion or wear a diaphragm?

I'm just glad GOD answered the prayers of all those bible thumpers asking for rain in Denver last night...WITH A GIANT FUCKING HURRICANE GUNNING STRAIGHT FOR THE SOUTH RIGHT NOW. Praise be Jesus he answers prayers a week late.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 01:00 PM

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Ahmadinijad is a little man with very little threat to the US..

Right. So the Iranians are building those reactors for "Peaceful Engergy Purposes," I take it.

Have some more Kool-Aid, Robert.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 01:04 PM

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I'm just glad GOD answered the prayers of all those bible thumpers asking for rain in Denver last night...WITH A GIANT FUCKING HURRICANE GUNNING STRAIGHT FOR THE SOUTH RIGHT NOW. Praise be Jesus he answers prayers a week late.

HAHAHA, no shit.

And yeah... once McCain has to go toe to toe with Obama in a debate it will be over. I for one am hoping (read: betting) on a senior moment or Obama getting him into one of his rages (yay temperment... McCain, meet Howard Dean).

Its gonna be an interesting 66days... but i am hopeful that we will have the leader we need (Obama) rather than the leader we deserve (McCain) come January.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 01:18 PM

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And yeah... once McCain has to go toe to toe with Obama in a debate it will be over.

You mean the same Obama who was afraid to debate Clinton back in April? Now that's funny.

The way Obama piles on the platitudes, it would be like that old SNL skit of the debate between Bush I and Dukakis, with the parties reversed.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 01:21 PM

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Ahmadinijad is a little man with very little threat to the US..

Right. So the Iranians are building those reactors for "Peaceful Engergy Purposes," I take it.

Have some more Kool-Aid, Robert.

So what, they build some reactors... maybe build a few nukes. the longest range missile they have will barely reach TelAviv... It wont come NEAR the US. If your worried about "suitcase nukes".... shit Iran is not the place to be worried about... worry about the unaccounted ones from russia which could be in the hands of ANY group. Fucking greenpeace could have one of them. Fred Phelps might have bought one to take to San Francisco.

It is amazing that intelligent people can swallow the propaganda line so willfully.

Posted by: Crocodile

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 01:24 PM

I know you're a stunt cock and therefore dumb but do you really believe that a negro communist has what is takes to lead America? You're officially dumber than TMFR.

Palin is a good choice.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 01:33 PM

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I know you're a stunt cock and therefore dumb but do you really believe that a negro communist has what is takes to lead America? You're officially dumber than TMFR.

Palin is a good choice.

yeah, because if someone decides to get paid to fuck or film someone fuck... they are automatically stupid.

how about contribute intelligent discourse.

I would rather have an intelligent negro "communist" than a neo-conservative who was a traitor to his country. Call Obama a communist all you want... who was singing to the reds while begging for his life? McShame.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 01:46 PM

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So what, they build some reactors... maybe build a few nukes...

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You're officially dumber than Darrah.

Fixed.

Posted by: Dr. Mordo

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 02:15 PM

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I know you're a stunt cock and therefore dumb but do you really believe that a negro communist has what is takes to lead America? You're officially dumber than TMFR.

What's really sad is that he's a stunt cock and therefore dumb but still smarter than you idiots are. The 'negro communist' comment pretty much destroys any sort of intellectual credibility you might possibly have.

Go back to watching Fox News.

Posted by: Crocodile

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 02:52 PM

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yeah, because if someone decides to get paid to fuck or film someone fuck... they are automatically stupid.

Not in all cases(for example Gia was just lazy), but usually yes. Intelligent people in general prefermore intellectually challenging pursuits.

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What's really sad is that he's a stunt cock and therefore dumb but still smarter than you idiots are. The 'negro communist' comment pretty much destroys any sort of intellectual credibility you might possibly have.

Let me guess. The only people in the world with intellectual credibility are Noam Chomsky, Cindy Sheehan and Barack Hussein Obama, right?

Posted by: Random

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 03:25 PM

I hate these fucking threads, yet I'm mesmerized by them. They make smart people look stupid, and stupid people look stupider.

*If you think McCain is a great, noble man who will be a great leader, you probably eat at Dairy Queen 3-5 times a week, have bad teeth/more than a few teeth missing, and are responsible for bringing at least one unplanned child into this world.

Or you're already wealthy and want to stay that way.

*If you believe Obama will accomplish more than 30% of what he claims he will do, even with seasoned and respected Biden in his corner, you probably believe OZ is a real place and that Miley Cyrus is still a virgin.

*If you think McCain's choice for his vice presidential running mate is anything but a shrewd and desperate move, and that Palin is a lady who could actually run our country if McCain croaked while in office (which is a very real possibility), stick your genitals in front of a weedwhacker because you and whatever dumbfuck you partnered up with shouldn't be allowed to procreate/continue procreating.

*If you think some of Hillary's supporters won't be won over by McCain's ploy to bring them over to his side, you've never felt the wrath of a woman who feels she's been royally fucked over. Bitches be vindictive, yo.

*If you've ever woken up in the morning, touched your body to make sure that everything is in place, and then said to yourself, "I'm still here and in one piece! Praise God! Iran didn't bomb us last night!," please do your species a solid by jumping in front of a moving tractor.

I could go on and on. Supporters on both sides have drank so much Kool-aid, it literally boggles my mind. I could weep over the idiocy that's openly been on display by the vast majority of voting Americans over the last eight years.

Posted by: the unknown pervert

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 03:41 PM

It's easy to see why so many people posting in this thread work in the porn business and not the political correspondent business. Everyone's jumping the gun here. Let's see how Palin fares against Biden in a debate. That will settle the intelligence or lack thereof of this pick.

BTW did anyone else have my first thought when I saw the headline. I was thinking doesn't McCain know that he is British, why didn't he go for Terry Gilliam.

Posted by: Stevie Why

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 04:12 PM

I'm currently registered as a Republican, wrote in Nader during last election, and would love it if Schwarzenegger was able to run for president.

Yet I think Obama has it in the bag now; McCain's just made his age and health the prime issue for him in the election now by choosing her...an issue he's going to lose terribly on. Or his stance on off-shore drilling (which Palin was likely chosen to boost the prospects of) as a giant hurricane is ready to tear up every oil rig in the gulf fight now and disrupt his coronation? I was really hoping it would be an even fight...

This decision to choose an unqualified woman will make Bush's decision on Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court look about as pale as McCain's melanoma infested face.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 04:34 PM

I'm a life-long Democrat and I think both candidates suck. So do Barr and Nader.

Despite his age, I don't think Obama has any greater life expectancy than McCain, given the odds of an assassination attempt should he win.

Nor do I really think Biden is any more capable of running the country than Palin, although I think she might play better to the undecideds and the hard core Hillary voters.

We're fucked no matter who wins this race. It's just a matter of which of these bastards uses more lube.

Having said that, I freely admit that I DO enjoy busting the balls of those who think Obama can walk on water. He's a fucking politician, not a savior, and the best thing I can say for the guy is that he's opened the door for a black Democrat I actually like. Keep an eye on this guy.

To the extent that I make fun of Obama more than McCain, well, he gives me more material. I have tried to balance it. Cult leaders are just funnier than crazy old men married to Glen Close look-alikes.

Posted by: Spunko

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 04:35 PM

So let me get this straight....Palin is too inexperienced to be Vice-President? So if McCain should die,she'd be out of her depth as President?

well,we can't have that. I think I'll just cut to the chase and vote for an inexperienced President.

Posted by: Spunko

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 04:38 PM

And for what it's worth,I agree with Jim. Poor choices all around.

I'ma moderate/libertarian type of Republican(def. No Bushie) and this whole election season is for shit.

At least I can rub one out with Palin.

Posted by: Stevie Why

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 04:45 PM

And Harold Ford Jr. was taken down with those dirty "Playboy Bunny Party" ads by the Republican National Committee which was coincidentally run by closeted faggot Ken Mehlman at the time. I was so relieved to see Bill Maher out him on Larry King Live; a nice taste of his own medicine which lost him his job.

Ford should be in the Senate right now. The funny thing is about him losing that Senate seat is he'll be nice and free for a position in Obama's cabinet.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 04:55 PM

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The funny thing is about him losing that Senate seat is he'll be nice and free for a position in Obama's cabinet.

Doubtful. Ford currently runs the DLC, with which Obama has long been at odds.

Posted by: XXXbit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 05:31 PM

I can tell you as a person who has on only a few occassions voted Republican....the Obama campaign officially pissed me the fuck off today......

as many of you know I live in WI and teach American Government and Politics. During election years my classroom is decorated with current political campaign signs.........I went to the Republican office and was told "take what you need".....They were very helpful...I got signs for people running for State Assembly all the way up to McCain stuff........I was even told to take some bumper stickers as some kids may want to put them on their notebooks.......judging from the few Obama stickers I had seen and remembering kids snatching up the Kerry and Bush stuff....I took about 12 stickers...
I go to the Democrat office the same day in my home county and they were out of Obama signs but gave me a bunch of bumper stickers.......The next day I go the Democrat office in the county I work and all the Obama campaign seemed interested in was recommending students to them for a campaign internship...(they had emailed me in early August and when I didn't respond cause I was on vacation they called my home for the same thing.......

I tell them who I am and what I am doing and they dig an old Obama sign out (only had one)and told me that it was $2.50........and on top of that they were charging $3.00 for bumper stickers....the same ones I got the day before for free at another county office....

So let me get this....I teach a bunch of juniors and seniors and we register the kids who are of age to vote.....and you want ME to pay for a sign.......I started my political education as Young Democrat in college in 92....I was elected to the county board of supervisors in 94 and went all out for the election in 96 even went to the convention in Chicago.......I have been decorating my room like this since I have been teaching during presidential years and I HAVE NEVER PAID FOR A SIGN.....hell I used to be the one who got the list of people what wanted signs and stuck them in peoples yards......

The Obama campaign is asking to people to pay for a sign that advertises their support for that candidate.....If this is the change that he is talking about......give me the old candidate cause I never felt i needed to pay to support a candidate......even in a school in which many students are excited for their first ever political voting....I absolutely refused......

AND HE SUPPORTS TEACHERS......yeah they were all over me finding them students for the internship....(unpaid except for a letter of recommendation for college) but the campaign couldn't even get a darn sign........and yes I did have $2.50 in my pocket....

Its the principle

Posted by: Soopergrizz

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 05:37 PM

I love you.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 06:42 PM

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I'm a life-long Democrat and I think both candidates suck. So do Barr and Nader.

Despite his age, I don't think Obama has any greater life expectancy than McCain, given the odds of an assassination attempt should he win.

Nor do I really think Biden is any more capable of running the country than Palin, although I think she might play better to the undecideds and the hard core Hillary voters.

We're fucked no matter who wins this race. It's just a matter of which of these bastards uses more lube.

Having said that, I freely admit that I DO enjoy busting the balls of those who think Obama can walk on water. He's a fucking politician, not a savior, and the best thing I can say for the guy is that he's opened the door for a black Democrat I actually like. Keep an eye on this guy.

To the extent that I make fun of Obama more than McCain, well, he gives me more material. I have tried to balance it. Cult leaders are just funnier than crazy old men married to Glen Close look-alikes.

And for that Jim I for one say let’s get congress to repeal that darned Twenty-second Amendment (Amendment XXII). And then let the Emperor Bush just be President for life.

It cant get ANY worse....can it!?!?!

Posted by: NitneLiun

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 08:07 PM

Can you imagine 8 years of a POTUS who populates the federal benches across the land with clones of Ruth Bader Ginsberg? Fuuuuuck.

Posted by: taint1974

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 08:16 PM

One thing I really like about Palin is that she actually worked real jobs, none of that straight from Law School or Military into politics bullshit. I'll take her living and working in the the real world most of her adult life and two years of Governor of a complex state like Alaska over former cokeheads who got into Ivy League schools based on their last name or color of their skin or a Governor of a ass backwards state like Arkansas.

Biden as veep scares me more than Palin because Biden will be Cheney II while Palin will be the old school Veep who sits in on a few cabinet meetings and makes appearances at events the president can't be bothered with.

I also want to add that I totally wish they would dig up Ross Perot so I could vote for him again.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 09:00 PM

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I hate these fucking threads, yet I'm mesmerized by them. They make smart people look stupid, and stupid people look stupider.

*If you think McCain is a great, noble man who will be a great leader, you probably eat at Dairy Queen 3-5 times a week, have bad teeth/more than a few teeth missing, and are responsible for bringing at least one unplanned child into this world.

Or you're already wealthy and want to stay that way.

*If you believe Obama will accomplish more than 30% of what he claims he will do, even with seasoned and respected Biden in his corner, you probably believe OZ is a real place and that Miley Cyrus is still a virgin.

*If you think McCain's choice for his vice presidential running mate is anything but a shrewd and desperate move, and that Palin is a lady who could actually run our country if McCain croaked while in office (which is a very real possibility), stick your genitals in front of a weedwhacker because you and whatever dumbfuck you partnered up with shouldn't be allowed to procreate/continue procreating.

*If you think some of Hillary's supporters won't be won over by McCain's ploy to bring them over to his side, you've never felt the wrath of a woman who feels she's been royally fucked over. Bitches be vindictive, yo.

*If you've ever woken up in the morning, touched your body to make sure that everything is in place, and then said to yourself, "I'm still here and in one piece! Praise God! Iran didn't bomb us last night!," please do your species a solid by jumping in front of a moving tractor.

I could go on and on. Supporters on both sides have drank so much Kool-aid, it literally boggles my mind. I could weep over the idiocy that's openly been on display by the vast majority of voting Americans over the last eight years.

I completely agree with this post.

I'm not an Obama walks on water type, i just believe he is the better choice out of what we have to choose. I'm not going to waste my vote on a third party candidate that has 0% chance of winning as some insolent and childish act of protest that does nothing but put the WORST choice in charge (see the 2000 election for example.)... and i am saying that as a registered Libertarian.

Heres a point of reference for you... I supported McCain in his 2000 election campaign. In 2005 while waiting to get in to Shogun Sushi and chatting with my roommate about politics i said "I fear the hell out of a Hilary presidency, I hope to hell McCain runs again in 08. I think the only other people that would be good choices would be Joe Biden... and, I dont know why but i have a good feeling about Obama, If McCain doesnt party jump i would love to see him on the democratic ticket to stir things up because of his name/race." My roommate and "K" will both testify as to the authenticity of this conversation.

I liked McCain until he changed. He became the party line toeing, Evangelical courting type of man that he ran against in 2000... and in that he lost all credibility to me.

BTW, i agree with Jim on Harold Ford, i think he has potential.

oh, and i hate noam chomsky and cindy sheehan.

Posted by: Gunker

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 09:06 PM

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a complex state like Alaska

Would that be due to the various indictments and ongoing investigations of their Republican power structure, their willful acceptance of more-than-their-share of Federal funds whilst proclaim independent, rugged individualism and/or the fact that it's difficult to get from point A to point B, give or take a Bridge to Nowhere, because the terrain is as rugged as their individualism?

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 10:13 PM

FOX NEWS WORST EVER

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 10:20 PM

great just great

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 10:21 PM

10 Reasons to Vote Democratic

Posted by: Gunker

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 10:31 PM

"Palin also reacted to the indictment of Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens by calling it “very dismaying.” She added, “Hopefully though, this won’t be a distraction and get people’s minds off what has to be done in the grand scheme of things.”

Posted by: mallocup

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 10:31 PM

I can sum it up in 3 words:

obama is black.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 10:33 PM

i can reply in two:

So What.

Posted by: tattypatty

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 10:35 PM

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Let me guess. The only people in the world with intellectual credibility are Noam Chomsky, Cindy Sheehan and Barack Hussein Obama, right?

Chomsky is not a dumb guy, whether you agree with him or not and Cindy Sheehan and the Tillman family have every right to say what they've been going on about. It's fucking pathetic that the neocons have been able to make the families of dead solidiers look like commie muslim-hugging peaceniks. Hussein! OOOOOOOOOOOOOh he's a secret muslim! Look out!It's as lame as the "Bush is a Nazi!" chant that the radical left has been making for eight years. For the record, i believe little will change in America or abroad no matter who gets to be parsdent . It's all a fucking shell game....

Posted by: mallocup

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 10:37 PM

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i can reply in two:

So What.

we'll see soon enough blob. you think he'll win because of his policies? ha!

Posted by: Gunker

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 10:56 PM

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Hussein! OOOOOOOOOOOOOh he's a secret muslim! Look out! For the record, i believe little will change in America or abroad no matter who gets to be parsdent . It's all a fucking shell game....

Actually, it matters.

Vote out the Republican idiots who were in charge in 2001-2006, and gave us the following:

incompetence leading up to 9/11 (Cheney supplanted Clarke, and Cheney's Anti-Terrorism Task Force met 0 times before 9/11);
a manufactured war in Iraq for political reasons;
concurrent tax breaks for the well-off in a time of "war";
appointment of lobbyists in positions of importance (e.g. heckuva job, Brownie, for FEMA);
hollowing out the Justice Department for political reasons;
taking the 2000 Clinton surplus, and eviscerating it with tax cuts (again, because the Republican Party is driven by ever-lower tax rates for the ever-richer donors to same);

I've lost interest in this, and I'm going to sleep now.

I'm sure, that Sarah Palin (i.e. the scrapings from the bottom of a barrel that is the Republican minor leagues) will somehow, make all this clear, as she pushes McSame in his wheelchair of "NOT-Change", and they somehow save this country from 28 years of deficit-spending, union-busting, Grenada-invading, "intelligent" governance, fiscal irresponsibility, and constant scapegoating of half of the United States (i.e. "liberal", "immigrants", etc.)

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 11:03 PM

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i can reply in two:

So What.

we'll see soon enough blob. you think he'll win because of his policies? ha!

care to make a gentlemanly wager?

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 11:13 PM

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I'm sure, that Sarah Palin (i.e. the scrapings from the bottom of a barrel that is the Republican minor leagues) will somehow, make all this clear, as she pushes McSame in his wheelchair of "NOT-Change", and they somehow save this country from 28 years of deficit-spending, union-busting, Grenada-invading, "intelligent" governance, fiscal irresponsibility, and constant scapegoating of half of the United States (i.e. "liberal", "immigrants", etc.)

Ummm, you are aware that there was this guy from Arkansas in the White House for eight of those 28 years, right? Just checking.

Speaking of which: DV, if they repeal the 22nd Amendment, how much do you want to bet that the next great Primary battle will be Clinton vs. Clinton?

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 11:15 PM

Bill would cream Hills, lol.

Posted by: k1ng

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/29/08 11:29 PM

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Vote out the Republican idiots who were in charge in 2001-2006, and gave us the following:

incompetence leading up to 9/11

you fucking idiot. do you really want to go there? because a discussion of incompetence leading up to 9/11 won't end in your favor. amirite, bubba?

Posted by: Spunko

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 02:58 AM

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the Obama campaign officially pissed me the fuck off today......

[redacted]

Obama and his sycophants

Posted by: the unknown pervert

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 07:16 AM

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"Palin also reacted to the indictment of Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens by calling it “very dismaying.” She added, “Hopefully though, this won’t be a distraction and get people’s minds off what has to be done in the grand scheme of things.”

As opposed to the constitutes that re-elected this guy.

Posted by: the unknown pervert

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 07:21 AM

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FOX NEWS WORST EVER

Apparently you weren't watching MSNBC when(at the time Tim Pawlenty was getting a lot of buzz for McCain's VP slot) Chris Matthews asked Bill Maher if an election ticket could win if a guy with a funny name was on it. What's the name of that messiah Matthews and Olbermann worship again?

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 07:26 AM

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Obama and his sycophants

Narcissistic Personality Disorder

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Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder defined... as "a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy."

Shit. This explains why he refuses to help find a job or an apartment for his "long-lost" brother:

Barack Obama's 'lost' brother found in Kenya

Senator Barack Obama's long lost brother has been tracked down for the first time living in a shanty town in Kenya, reports claimed.

The Italian edition of Vanity Fair said that it had found George Hussein Onyango Obama living in a hut in a ramshackle town of Huruma on the outskirts of Nairobi.

Mr Obama, 26, the youngest of the presidential candidate's half-brothers, spoke for the first time about his life, which could not be more different than that of the Democratic contender.

"No-one knows who I am," he told the magazine, before claiming: "I live here on less than a dollar a month."

According to Italy's Vanity Fair his two metre by three metre shack is decorated with football posters of the Italian football giants AC Milan and Inter, as well as a calendar showing exotic beaches of the world.

Vanity Fair also noted that he had a front page newspaper picture of his famous brother - born of the same father as him, Barack Hussein Obama, but to a different mother, named only as Jael.

He told the magazine: "I live like a recluse, no-one knows I exist."

Embarrassed by his penury, he said that he does not does not mention his famous half-brother in conversation.

"If anyone says something about my surname, I say we are not related. I am ashamed," he said.

For ten years George Obama lived rough. However he now hopes to try to sort his life out by starting a course at a local technical college.

He has only met his famous older brother twice - once when he was just five and the last time in 2006 when Senator Obama was on a tour of East Africa and visited Nairobi.

The Illinois senator mentions his brother in his autobiography, describing him in just one passing paragraph as a "beautiful boy with a rounded head".

Of their second meeting, George Obama said: "It was very brief, we spoke for just a few minutes. It was like meeting a complete stranger."

George added he was no longer in contact with his mother and said:"I have had to learn to live and take what I need.

"Huruma is a tough place, last January during the elections there was rioting and six people were hacked to death. The police don't even arrest you they just shoot you.

"I have seen two of my friends killed. I have scars from defending myself with my fists. I am good with my fists."

Posted by: Bad Habit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 02:04 PM

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6 things the Palin pick says about McCain

The selection of a running mate is among the most consequential, most defining decisions a presidential nominee can make. John McCain’s pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin says a lot about his decison-making — and some of it is downright breathtaking.

We knew McCain is a politician who relishes improvisation, and likes to go with his gut. But it is remarkable that someone who has repeatedly emphasized experience in this campaign named an inexperienced governor he barely knew to be his No. 2. Whatever you think of the pick, here are six things it tells us about McCain:

1. He’s desperate. Let’s stop pretending this race is as close as national polling suggests. The truth is McCain is essentially tied or trailing in every swing state that matters — and too close for comfort in several states like Indiana and Montana the GOP usually wins pretty easily in presidential races. On top of that, voters seem very inclined to elect Democrats in general this election — and very sick of the Bush years.

2. He’s willing to gamble — bigtime. Let’s face it: This is not the pick of a self-confident candidate. It is the political equivalent of a trick play or, as some Democrats called it, a Hail Mary pass in football. McCain talks incessantly about experience, and then goes and selects a woman he hardly knows, who hardly knows foreign policy and who can hardly be seen as instantly ready for the presidency.

3. He’s worried about the political implications of his age. Like a driver overcorrecting out of a swerve, he chooses someone who is two years younger than the youthful Obama, and 28 years younger than he is. (He turned 72 Friday.) The father-daughter comparison was inevitable when they appeared next to each other.

4. He’s not worried about the actuarial implications of his age. He thinks he’s in fine fettle, and Palin wouldn’t be performing the only constitutional duty of a vice president, which is standing by in case a president dies or becomes incapacitated. If he was really concerned about an inexperienced person sitting in the Oval Office we would be writing about vice presidential nominee Mitt Romney or Tom Ridge or Condoleezza Rice.

5. He’s worried about his conservative base. If he had room to maneuver, there were lots of people McCain could have selected who would have represented a break from Washington politics as usual. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman comes to mind (and it certainly came to McCain’s throughout the process). He had no such room. GOP stalwarts were furious over trial balloons about the possibility of choosing a supporter of abortion rights, including the possibility that he would reach out to his friend.

6. At the end of the day, McCain is still McCain. People may find him a refreshing maverick, or an erratic egotist. In either event, he marches to his own beat.

Full source article here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/12997

Posted by: Gunker

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 05:39 PM

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Ummm, you are aware that there was this guy from Arkansas in the White House for eight of those 28 years, right? Just checking.

For six of those eight years, was dealing with the Newt Gingrich-led "Republican Revolution" congress and, of course, Ken Starr and the seven-year, $70 million Whitewater investigation.

1993-94 was heavily focused on health care reform which failed because, I guess, it didn't need reforming, according to Harry and Louise.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 06:14 PM

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For six of those eight years, was dealing with the Newt Gingrich-led "Republican Revolution" congress and, of course, Ken Starr and the seven-year, $70 million Whitewater investigation.

Yet, he was still able to achieve a surplus in 2000 with all of that going on, as you noted ten posts above.

Posted by: Bill Hicks

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 06:16 PM

What exactly is Obama going to change? After all, he did such a great job cleaning up Chicago's government, right?

The fucker cribbed his campaign slogan from Bob the Builder.

I'm with Jim, all the candidates suck. Registered Independent, no Bush fan at all.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 07:03 PM

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What exactly is Obama going to change? After all, he did such a great job cleaning up Chicago's government, right?

The fucker cribbed his campaign slogan from Bob the Builder.

I'm with Jim, all the candidates suck. Registered Independent, no Bush fan at all.

so what, your gonna toss your vote away on a candidate who will get 2% of the vote, has no chance of winning and possibly ensure, like nader did, that the worst choice of the ones with a chance will take office? doom us to another 4 years of the same bullshit out of some "protest vote" like a petulant child? OR say... well Obama might not be perfect, he might not be everything we need, but he just might be a start and is a better choice than the alternative.

and as i said... im a registered libertarian.

though i had a total *headdesk* moment tonight when i opened my email and saw a message from the libertarian party with the subject line "Help Us Fight The Establishment". Fight The Establishment.... yeah... im sure that sounded fucking awesome when you were 18 and high off your ass... but how about doing something constructive. Enter the establishment, work from within, change from within... dont fight the establishment, become it and alter it from within.

in other words.

GROW THE FUCK UP.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 07:12 PM

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so what, your gonna toss your vote away...

< blather snipped >

GROW THE FUCK UP.

Sez the guy with a phone number for a screen name...

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 07:32 PM

Quote:

Quote:

so what, your gonna toss your vote away...

< blather snipped >

GROW THE FUCK UP.

Sez the guy with a phone number for a screen name...

illiterate much?

you cant find a good argument so you make a jab at my screenname, which only proves my points...

two words. Anthony Burgess.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 07:56 PM

Ummm, Robbo, many people have already knocked down your arguments. Yet, you keep making them.

It's a pisser watching you get all irate about it, though.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 08:01 PM

when has it been knocked down? I havent seen it.

and no, im not irate... as usual im sitting here laughing.

Posted by: Spunko

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 08:06 PM

Quote:

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6 things the Palin pick says about McCain

The selection of a running mate is among the most consequential, most defining decisions a presidential nominee can make. John McCain’s pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin says a lot about his decison-making — and some of it is downright breathtaking.

We knew McCain is a politician who relishes improvisation, and likes to go with his gut. But it is remarkable that someone who has repeatedly emphasized experience in this campaign named an inexperienced governor he barely knew to be his No. 2. Whatever you think of the pick, here are six things it tells us about McCain:

1. He’s desperate. Let’s stop pretending this race is as close as national polling suggests. The truth is McCain is essentially tied or trailing in every swing state that matters — and too close for comfort in several states like Indiana and Montana the GOP usually wins pretty easily in presidential races. On top of that, voters seem very inclined to elect Democrats in general this election — and very sick of the Bush years.

2. He’s willing to gamble — bigtime. Let’s face it: This is not the pick of a self-confident candidate. It is the political equivalent of a trick play or, as some Democrats called it, a Hail Mary pass in football. McCain talks incessantly about experience, and then goes and selects a woman he hardly knows, who hardly knows foreign policy and who can hardly be seen as instantly ready for the presidency.

3. He’s worried about the political implications of his age. Like a driver overcorrecting out of a swerve, he chooses someone who is two years younger than the youthful Obama, and 28 years younger than he is. (He turned 72 Friday.) The father-daughter comparison was inevitable when they appeared next to each other.

4. He’s not worried about the actuarial implications of his age. He thinks he’s in fine fettle, and Palin wouldn’t be performing the only constitutional duty of a vice president, which is standing by in case a president dies or becomes incapacitated. If he was really concerned about an inexperienced person sitting in the Oval Office we would be writing about vice presidential nominee Mitt Romney or Tom Ridge or Condoleezza Rice.

5. He’s worried about his conservative base. If he had room to maneuver, there were lots of people McCain could have selected who would have represented a break from Washington politics as usual. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman comes to mind (and it certainly came to McCain’s throughout the process). He had no such room. GOP stalwarts were furious over trial balloons about the possibility of choosing a supporter of abortion rights, including the possibility that he would reach out to his friend.

6. At the end of the day, McCain is still McCain. People may find him a refreshing maverick, or an erratic egotist. In either event, he marches to his own beat.

Full source article here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/12997

It took three people to write that article.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 08:09 PM

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I havent seen it.

I know. But that's okay. Obama will heal your vision, just as soon as he comes back from his stroll across Lake Michigan.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 08:22 PM

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I havent seen it.

I know. But that's okay. Obama will heal your vision, just as soon as he comes back from his stroll across Lake Michigan.

playing the "messiah Obama" card when i've repetedly stated that he is not the perfect candidate, just the better choice out of what we have is just another example of weak arguments.

Give me one GOOD reason to vote for a third party candidate.

Or, if you want... Tell me how John McCain would be a good president, on both an economic and defense front. Without using the words Obama, Communist, or anything involving race.

Go.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 08:27 PM

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illiterate much?

Physician, heal thyself.

I don't think anyone's ever said that McCain would be a "good" president.

Just that your pal with the empathy problem would suck just as badly, and probably worse.

Posted by: Gunker

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 08:46 PM

Didn't McCain graduate from the Naval Academy 5th from the bottom (894 out of 899)?

:banannaduncecap:

Posted by: Stevie Why

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 09:38 PM

GOD LOVES REPUBLICANS:

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A senior McCain source said Saturday that officials are considering turning the convention into a service event, a massive telethon to raise money for the Red Cross and other agencies to help with the hurricane.

Republican Govs. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, Charlie Crist of Florida, Haley Barbour of Mississippi and Rick Perry of Texas -- whose states that lie in the path of Gustav, named a Category 4 hurricane Saturday afternoon -- will skip the GOP convention because of the storm.

Officials won't discuss in detail how McCain's plans might change. They won't talk about McCain in any detail, but he is likely to go Monday or Tuesday to an aid station in an area hit by the hurricane, if it continues on as expected.

Earlier Saturday, President Bush declared a state of emergency in Mississippi, following similar declarations in Louisiana and Texas.

IMAGINE that...if the Republican Convention had to benefit...ch...ch...CHARITY!

Southern Coast residents will soon get an up-close and personal look at what John McCain's offshore drilling platform plan means:

Posted by: Bill Hicks

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/30/08 09:43 PM

Stevie, you do realize those are built down here, right? One of the main yards for those is less than two miles from my house.

Posted by: Gigi

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 02:43 PM

i read in the local paper today that the obamas and the bidens ate breakfast yesterday morning at this shithole diner down the street from me called 'the yankee kitchen.' hussein had pancakes, bacon and three eggs over-medium, while joe biden had the french toast. whether or not barry was able to force himself to actually swallow evil, evil carbs was not mentioned. on another election note, i was talking with my mother the other day (cringe) and she asked me if, since she has relocated to another county (i kicked her out of the condo i bought her for mother's day 2000 and now she's living at my grandma's house), does she have to register to vote there? i told her no, she's all set. so one less ohio vote for obama, yay.

Posted by: XXXbit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 03:35 PM

wow, I don't know what to say

Posted by: Tritone

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 03:39 PM

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I havent seen it.

I know. But that's okay. Obama will heal your vision, just as soon as he comes back from his stroll across Lake Michigan.

You know all this "Obama is the Messiah" bullshit is just frustration because you don't want to consider him because he is black. And yet every day, it becomes clearer that he is the best choice.

How can you vote for McCain who made a totally reckless and impulsive pick with Sarah Palin. He only thought about the short term gain of maybe winning some fundie and dissaffected Hillary votes. But what happens if they actually win? What if he gets sick? He's risking the security of the nation on her?

Whereas ... time and time again Barack Obama has shown measured and steady leadership in his decisions.

-He's run a disciplined, successful campaign
-He pulled off a succesful convention that increased the unity of a fractured party
-He made a solid choice for VP.
-He was right about going to Iraq in the first place
-He was right about talking to Iran
-His idea for a pullout has been adopted by the Bush Admin.
-He surrounds himself with the best people and makes thoughtful, solid decisions.

But nah. You want the hot-headed "maverick".

In his acceptance speech Obama laid down the gauntlet. He challenged McCain on his temperament to be Commander in Chief. The unexpected power of his speech SHOOK McCain. Maybe he had another VP choice in mind initially. Maybe that choice turned him down cause they knew this election was going to be a loser.

BUT INSTEAD OF TAKING MORE TIME TO MAKE A MORE SUITBALE PICK HE PANICED AND TOOK A BIG GAMBLE ON PALIN. He wanted to beat the news cycle and blunt the wave of great press Obama's speech was receiving. That limited goal and winning votes was more important than actually considering the security of this nation should he actually WIN.

You want THAT kind of decision making as your Commander in Chief?

McCain, for all his positive qualities, thinks short term like the soldier he is. Obama sees the big picture and makes the BIG TIME STRATEGIC DECISIONS like a true leader. Its that kind of stewardship that protects this nation.

Posted by: Tritone

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 03:52 PM

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on another election note, i was talking with my mother the other day (cringe) and she asked me if, since she has relocated to another county (i kicked her out of the condo i bought her for mother's day 2000 and now she's living at my grandma's house), does she have to register to vote there? i told her no, she's all set. so one less ohio vote for obama, yay.

You know Gigi, our choices in this election just suck anyway. All politicians lie to get your vote and then get in Washington and rob us blind.

Why not just sit this one out. And tell your mother that as well.

Or maybe vote for Bob Barr or write in Ron Paul. At least they are for REAL CHANGE.

Posted by: XXXbit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 03:54 PM

oh God....he is back.......but at least talking something of substance.....

he is not the messiah.....he is a politician.......politicians make choices which benefit himself....

I love how people say he was right on Iraq......how many Americans can say that.....especially those who wasn't even in the national legislature.....

The BP being the right choice.....depends on where you are....there is large part of the Democratic base that felt slighted by that choice and not just the Hilary supports....

I personally am sick and tired of him and his wife calming to be regular people like the rest of America.....bullshit they are elitist like the rest of the Democratic leadership....

Sorry I don't drink from the Barak koolaid.....but that doesn't mean i drink the McCain martini either. ..

I just wish the majority of post in this thread at least focused on the race and religion of a candidate...

Posted by: Crocodile

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 03:54 PM

Epic fail. If elected, Obama will raise taxes, expand the welfare state, weaken education standards, waste even more of taxpayers' money on Africa "development"(guns, bling-bling and wimminz for local dictators) etc.

In any rational society, a a candidate who promises bigger taxes will end up losing the elections. The question is if America is still a rational society after years of brainwashing from the leftist/socialists education system and media.

Besides, I think you're just butthurt because Sarah Palin doesn't do IR.

Posted by: Gigi

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 04:02 PM

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Why not just sit this one out.

of all the ridiculous things i've heard come out of your mouth, that has got to be the winner. not vote? are you KIDDING?

Posted by: Tritone

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 04:05 PM

XXXBit writes:

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oh God....he is back.......but at least talking something of substance.....

he is not the messiah.....he is a politician.......politicians make choices which benefit himself....

OK. Fair enough. But with everything you have seen and everything you know, can you agree that Obama is less of a risk than McCain. Assuming that you are not idealogically opposed to Democrats.

And BTW, if you were a Hillary supporter, I agree she ran a great race. But its over now. Its time to have unity. Don't dare sit this one out or make a protest vote for McCain.

BTW, Tune in to 60 minutes NOW. Obama and Biden will be interviewed. You will get a sneak peak at the crack team that will take us into the future!

(P.S. - And BTW -- Obama married a true SISTER! I mean that's gotta win some points with you. He could've gone with a white girl but he didn't. He embraces his black side!)

Posted by: Crocodile

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 04:32 PM

Just for teh lulz

Posted by: XXXbit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 04:42 PM

I oppose a lot of what he stands for and that is on a ideology basis.....I have always loved McCain the senator and disappointed with McCain the presidential candidate......

Obama scares me with the whole "chicken in every pot" promises....to me that means higher taxes.....and I personally feel I pay too much for what I get in return..

and no I was not a Hilary supporter and if I was if Obama campaign embraced them with the way I was embraced at the office on Friday.....I would be screaming for a temp split...

Posted by: Crocodile

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 04:45 PM

Can I ask what has disappointed you so much, Miss XXXbit?

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 04:46 PM

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You know all this "Obama is the Messiah" bullshit is just frustration because you don't want to consider him because he is black.

I take it you missed it above where I plugged Harold Ford Jr. not once, but twice. Consider this a third plug.

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Sorry I don't drink from the Barak koolaid.....but that doesn't mean i drink the McCain martini either. ..

Posted by: Tritone

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 05:02 PM

Xxxbit:

You are a teacher.

Obama is going to gut No Child Left Behind and increase your salary. If you are a GOOD teacher (which I suspect you are), you will get merit bonuses. He is on YOUR side, baby!

Posted by: ivorenginedriver

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 05:21 PM

Obama is certainly the lesser evil to a man who wants to be a warlord (Iran, Russia) and his eminently fuckable running mate, who believes that "creationism" ought to be required to be taught as science in the public schools and that victims of rape ought to be required to bear the children of their attackers.

Posted by: Gigi

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 05:42 PM

what do you guys think about the rumor that governor palin's recent pregnancy was faked and was, in fact, a cover story for her eldest daughter's teen pregnancy?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223

Posted by: Gunker

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 05:45 PM

I'm more shocked that you posted a Daily Kos link.

Posted by: Gigi

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 05:51 PM

ha. i just got the link from perez or tmz or some shit. but what do you think? mama or grandmama?

Posted by: Stevie Why

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 05:52 PM

Quote:

what do you guys think about the rumor that governor palin's recent pregnancy was faked and was, in fact, a cover story for her eldest daughter's teen pregnancy?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223

I'm not a big conspiracy buff fan, but the more I hear about her 44 year old pregnancy and Down's Syndrome kid, either I think its a conspiracy or she has some of the worst judgment a mother can possibly have.

Either way its equally shocking.

Posted by: XXXbit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 06:08 PM

Tri......No Child Left Behind does not need to be gutted...it needs to be revamped (it has made schools that put out shit products for decades start coming up with ways to do better).....accessing students based on a standardized test is wrong....it only measures kids based on the norm group........which means by design some schools and students will always fail due to the results being standardized.......kids need to be measured based on a standardized criteria but against their own growth not against a norm referenced group.....i.e..they come in to you 2 grades below level and leave 3 grades below... NOT GOOD...cause you as a teacher didn't do shit...but if said student leaves you even only 1 year below..you rocked cause you taught in 1 year 3 years of growth....not up to par with the normed group but still a tremendous increase in academic growth

next.....he is NOT for merit pay.........This much I know even without combing through the platform (school starts Tuesday so will do that within the next week)

and the bonuses.....yeah I laugh.....if they were going to really be based on things it would be actually based on analyzing the data of where kids come in prior to the test and seeing the skills and content kids are missing, targeting those areas and again analyzing the test results after the test and comparing that to assess growth........But don't expect Washington to come with any real solutions on that.......they are full of empty promises and sound bytes...

and even just even... I wouldn't get a bonus cause i don't know if you noticed what, but what I teach isn't tested in most states at the high school level, so does that mean that what I teach isn't important....it is important....it just isn't Science, Reading or Math....so as a nation it isn't valued compared to the others...

We did the above system when I taught middle school and results flew through the roof...the principal made a good name for himself and moved on to bigger district and school down south somewhere.......but that stands to me the best way to use standardized tests in a manner that benefits kids....but it is labor intensive...

Schools can best be reformed at the state and district level....NOT WASHINGTON....

Dak'kon.....I posted what happened on Friday..

Posted by: XXXbit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 06:13 PM

If she covered her teenage daughter pregnancy I say kudos....she figured out a way for her daughter to move on with her life without becoming a burden to the state and her daughter's life being more difficult by being a teenage mom......

and if not....a prolifer who put her money where her mouth was by practicing what she preached

Posted by: Gunker

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 06:15 PM

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Schools can best be reformed at the state and district level....NOT WASHINGTON....

The concern with this is that in various counties, the school board might be stacked with Fundamentalists who talk in tongues whilst handling rattlesnakes.

Posted by: XXXbit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 06:17 PM

but then isn't it easier to isolate the problem......the problem with schools in Wisconsin is not the same as in Mississippi nor have the same resources........but Washington solutions doesn't take all that into account

Posted by: Tritone

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 06:23 PM

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Tri......

XXXbit, I'll let you check out his platform as you said. But based on what you've written here I think you're going to like it.

My language that he was going "gut" NCLB was a bit extreme. He is going to reform it in many of the ways you mentioned. Having only a single test per year and also making progress assesments based on relative acheivement, not fixed goals.

As he's said in many of his town halls, he wants teachers free to be "creative and inspiring".

Posted by: ivorenginedriver

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 06:34 PM

XXX Bit-an old friend of mine from thirty years ago is now a high school principal and despite being a registered Republican, he believes that No Child Left Behind is destroying public schools,

Posted by: XXXbit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 08/31/08 06:50 PM

Tri...I have read what he has said during the primary it is the Democratic platform that was updated and approved last week I have not read yet......and I for one and not a believer that the answer to American Schools across the board is found in Washington

Ivor......NCLB is more bad than good....that much I agree but with but we can also agree that something needed to be done......i just disagree that the directive and/or sanctions/judgment needs to come from Washington....

hell depending on the school NCLB doesn't mean shit....Evanston H.S in IL made it to the NCLB "school in need of improvement" and what effect other than bad press does that have on them.....none...why cause they didn't receive any of the federal funds......so the threat or possibility of losing them meant nothing.......the school district still will have people attempting to ditch their Chicago address to gain an Evanston one...

but that is whole different story

Posted by: Bluecipher

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/01/08 08:46 AM

Mock Republican Convention Schedule (Christopher Buckley)
Mock Repug Schedule

Posted by: taint1974

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/01/08 10:16 AM

Palin's 17 year old daughter is knocked up, my hopes of a few Supreme Court Justices who will protect the 1st and 2nd Amendment's being appointed in the next 4 years went down the drain.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2944356420080901?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/01/08 10:28 AM

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my hopes of a few Supreme Court Justices who will protect the 1st and 2nd Amendment's being appointed in the next 4 years went down the drain.

Okay, I understand the argument about the First Amendment, though I don't necessarily buy it. But the Second?

Posted by: XXXbit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/01/08 10:31 AM

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Palin's 17 year old daughter is knocked up,

wow I just logged on to post that.......you all are too fast

Posted by: k1ng

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/01/08 09:06 PM

Quote:

Okay, I understand the argument about the First Amendment, though I don't necessarily buy it. But the Second?

because he clearly has no idea what he's talking about or he believes everything he reads on the kos and nytimes.

here is the cult of personality's record on the 2nd amend. before he decided to flip flop.

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A candidate questionnaire shows that Mr. Obama supported a ban on handguns in 1996. In 1998, he backed a ban on the sale of all semiautomatic guns (a ban that would encompass the vast majority of guns sold in the U.S.) In 2004, he advocated banning gun sales within five miles of a school or park (essentially a ban on all guns sold in almost all the states). Possibly, even more importantly, he served on the board of the Joyce Foundation, probably the largest private funder of anti-gun and pro-ban groups and research in the country.

The Obama campaign “flatly denied” the 1996 statement supporting a ban on handguns, blaming it instead on a staffer from his state senate race who they said had incorrectly filled out the candidate questionnaire. But the Politico obtained a copy of the statement and found Mr. Obama’s own handwritten notes on it indicating that he had personally checked and corrected answers.

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Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/01/08 09:34 PM

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because he clearly has no idea what he's talking about or he believes everything he reads on the kos and nytimes.

Well, Here's one article in the NY Times I'm happy to believe:

U.S. Hands Back a Quieter Anbar

RAMADI, Iraq — Two years ago, Anbar Province was the most lethal place for the Americans in Iraq, with a marine or a soldier dying here nearly every day. The provincial capital, Ramadi, was a moonscape of rubble and ruins. Islamic extremists controlled large pieces of territory, with some so ferocious in their personal views that they did not even allow the sale of bread.

On Monday, following a parade on a freshly paved street, American commanders formally returned responsibility for keeping order in Anbar Province, once the heartland of the Sunni insurgency, to the Iraqi Army and police force. The ceremony capped one of the starkest turnabouts in the country since the war began five and a half years ago.

In the past two years, the number of insurgent attacks against Iraqis and Americans in Anbar Province has dropped by more than 90 percent. Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, a homegrown Sunni Arab extremist group that American intelligence agencies have concluded is led by foreigners, has been severely degraded, if not crushed altogether. Since February, as the situation improved, American commanders have cut the number of marines and soldiers here by more than a third, they said.

The transfer of authority codified a transformation that Iraqi and American officers say has been in effect since April: the Iraqi Army and the police operate independently and retain primary responsibility for battling the insurgency and crime in Anbar. The Americans, who had long done the bulk of the fighting, have stepped into a backup role. With the transfer on Monday, Iraq now bears the primary responsibility for maintaining security in 11 of its 18 provinces.

Full Article

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Of course, the adventures of an Alaskan Teenager are far more important than something as trivial as stabilizing Iraq and redeploying the troops without our tails between our legs.

Posted by: Bad Habit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/02/08 01:27 AM

^^^ That's wonderful, seriously, but it should have been happening in month 5, not year 5!

Posted by: Smell of Anus

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/02/08 01:46 AM

Triton, you are getting closer and closer to this with your tired campaigning for Obama.

Posted by: XXXbit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/02/08 04:18 AM

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Triton, you are getting closer and closer to this with your tired campaigning for Obama.

hey lets be supportive he listened to all of us and is trying to find new hobbies..

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/02/08 05:35 AM

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That's wonderful, seriously, but it should have been happening in month 5, not year 5!

Should have? Hell, we shouldn't have gone in there in the first place. It was a strategic blunder of the highest magnitude, forget all the tactical blunders that kept us there all this additional time.

Having said that, though, passively hoping for our defeat to prove it was the wrong decision for political points is as disgusting as hoping for a hurricane to kill scores and uproot thousands just to disrupt the other party's convention.* I should think, as an old Navy hand, you of all people would get that.

*Oh, wait: Looks like that one didn't come to pass, either.

Posted by: Smell of Anus

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/02/08 06:07 AM

Quote:

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Triton, you are getting closer and closer to this with your tired campaigning for Obama.

hey lets be supportive he listened to all of us and is trying to find new hobbies..

Sigh, I guess you have a point...

Posted by: Bad Habit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/02/08 12:06 PM

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Should have? Hell, we shouldn't have gone in there in the first place. It was a strategic blunder of the highest magnitude, forget all the tactical blunders that kept us there all this additional time.

Having said that, though, passively hoping for our defeat to prove it was the wrong decision for political points is as disgusting as hoping for a hurricane to kill scores and uproot thousands just to disrupt the other party's convention.* I should think, as an old Navy hand, you of all people would get that.

Never said or implied that I hoped we'd lose. When politicians declare war they should stay the hell out of it until the generals come back to them and say it's won.
Soldiers know how to fight wars, politicians don't.

The "Surge" should have happened when war was first declared, not years later. It's the Vietnam political mentality all over again.

As far as natural disasters go, I've always been fascinated by the mentality (or lack there of) of people who constantly battle against nature, living in artificially created environs that are repeatedly overwhelmed by the natural order of things.

How many times does your house need to be washed away before you decide building in a natural flood plane is a bad idea?

How good of an idea is it to live in a city that is below sea level, which is dependent on maintaining the artificial location of the delta of one of the largest rivers in the world, while destroying the natural coastal protections in a hurricane prone region?

I don't "passively hope" for anything. I'm just mystified by the apparent human need to constantly beat our collective heads against a brick wall.

Posted by: Crocodile

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/02/08 12:16 PM

And when exactly was the war declared?

Posted by: Bad Habit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/02/08 12:34 PM

^^^ October 16th, 2002 - H.J. Resolution 114; Military engagements authorized by Congress.

Posted by: the unknown pervert

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/02/08 12:47 PM

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Having said that, though, passively hoping for our defeat to prove it was the wrong decision for political points is as disgusting as hoping for a hurricane to kill scores and uproot thousands just to disrupt the other party's convention.* I should think, as an old Navy hand, you of all people would get that.

I assume you are talking about Michael Moore on Olbermann. Olbermann never even asked a follow up question demanding Moore to explain why the suffering of millions of people in Louisiana should be praised and cheered. If this would have happened a week earlier and the sentiment expressed by Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, or Bill O'Reilly I would be willing to bet two, used but still in good working condition, testicles that they would have been #1 on Olbermann's Worst Person in the World list. But Moore is one of the enlightened, tolerant, and compassionate ones so he is granted complete and total immunity from any shit that is spewn from his fat mouth.

Posted by: Crocodile

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/02/08 12:51 PM

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^^^ October 16th, 2002 - H.J. Resolution 114; Military engagements authorized by Congress.

You know what declaration of war is don't you?

Posted by: Bornyo

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/02/08 12:54 PM

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Soldiers know how to fight wars, politicians don't.

The "Surge" should have happened when war was first declared, not years later. It's the Vietnam political mentality all over again.

Just so you know, Bush insisted on "The Surge" against the advice of many of his Generals. Looks like on this little detail, at least, he was correct.

Posted by: Bad Habit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/02/08 02:11 PM

Quote:

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^^^ October 16th, 2002 - H.J. Resolution 114; Military engagements authorized by Congress.

You know what declaration of war is don't you?

Are you talking about the political double-speak definition or the real-world definition?

Because if you do not think we are in a state of war (no matter what politically correct words are used on the top of the official form) then you need to sit down and have a long discussion with one of our returning solders.

When tens upon tens of thousands of soldiers and billions upon billions of dollars in military equipment invade another sovereign country killing thousands of people in the process, with the sole purpose of subjugating or replacing the existing power structure (regardless of the political reasons for it) I'm at a loss to find another word that accurately and realistically describes it other than "War".

War is the failure of the political process, the cost of which is human lives.

Posted by: Bad Habit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/02/08 02:17 PM

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Just so you know, Bush insisted on "The Surge" against the advice of many of his Generals. Looks like on this little detail, at least, he was correct.

Hence the reason these politically picked "original generals", who had political agendas of their own, where replaced (finally) with real soldiers.

Since when has 'sending in a overwhelming force' ever been a bad idea in a time of war?

Posted by: Smell of Anus

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/02/08 02:19 PM

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Since when has 'sending in a overwhelming force' ever been a bad idea in a time of war?

Since the time when one half of the political establishment tied their agenda to military failure and started rooting for the enemy. That's when.

Posted by: XXXbit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/03/08 05:15 PM

Monday I was attempting to update my lesson on Democrats vs Republicans. I went to the Democratic website to get the new platform to make sure I was up to date....While there I found the platform and discovered they still had the 2004 one up.......

I called the national office and they sounded like they couldn't believe I was looking for it so soon...I told them I teach Government and Politics and why I was looking for it so soon...They told me they just got back from Denver and asked me to give them until the end of the week to get it online...I will be checking on Friday during my free period again...

Today something told me to check the Republican site and I did....GUESS WHAT......the Republican 2008 platform is online already....they are so organized that their platform has already been uploaded to their site while they are still at the convention.......while the Democrats asked me to give them more time after they have already returned.....

I wanted to start my political party lesson on Monday and felt like I couldn't cause Democrats weren't ready to publish their platform......I expected to find the Republican platform after the convention not during.....so guess what.....

The Republicans have saved my lesson planning....I will just start off with the Republicans in a classroom with huge McCain signs while I still fight and wait for Obama signs to come later...(btw...the president of the local county office told me they give them away if people volunteer for a couple hours

)

Thank You Republicans for being organized!

Posted by: Smell of Anus

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/03/08 10:19 PM

This is an actual screenshot from my computer taken last night. I almost fell out of my chair when the ad appeared on pussy.org. Repeat: This is not a photoshop joke but an actual screenshot.

Posted by: John Floofin

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/03/08 10:53 PM

Well they've got my vote.

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/03/08 11:09 PM

the "surge" is merely doing what SHOULDVE been done from the get go...which any general that suggested were fired for their effort. too little too late. bribing the sunni tribes helped quite a bit as well as the Mahdi Army chilling the fuck out.

i love how the Repugs have somehow substituted the "Surge" for the War.

Republicans are constant Fail ...Tax Cuts or no Tax Cuts to get "giddy" about.

Palin is an idiot and talks a mean teleprompted script....but she will be handed her saggy hockey mom whale blubber eating ass come the debates

Posted by: NitneLiun

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/03/08 11:38 PM

I think the VP debate might be interesting. Biden seems like an adult most of the time, but he can become a little shrill when he's flustered. Also, many men will tell you it is difficult to debate a woman without coming across as a wife-beating, child support non-paying, cheating prick.

Posted by: k1ng

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/04/08 12:21 AM

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the "surge" is merely doing what SHOULDVE been done from the get go

so, biden is looking a little out of touch considering he voted for the war but against the surge, no? are you implying that all that time biden spent on the us senate committee on foreign relations, that the obamedia and hussein himself like to tout as a supplement to "the chosen one's" inexperience in foreign affairs, is pointless? nevermind, dodge and obfuscate the facts. CHANGE!

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Palin is an idiot and talks a mean teleprompted script....but she will be handed her saggy hockey mom whale blubber eating ass come the debates.

when you leave the echo chamber of the dailykos you'll realize that the general opinion of her speech is that she nailed it.

Posted by: 6655321

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/04/08 12:33 AM

I was rewatchin Season 2 of Weeds last night.... and i was reminded of what should be McCain's Campaign slogan.

"change only causes problems"

though mccain should say it while standing on a front lawn, shaking his fist.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/04/08 05:18 AM

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I think the VP debate might be interesting. Biden seems like an adult most of the time, but he can become a little shrill when he's flustered. Also, many men will tell you it is difficult to debate a woman without coming across as a wife-beating, child support non-paying, cheating prick.

Should've seen his performance this morning. Not just shrill, but smarmy as well. It won't be a cakewalk for him.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/04/08 10:38 AM

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i read in the local paper today that the obamas and the bidens ate breakfast yesterday morning at this shithole diner down the street from me...

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/10/08 09:54 AM

Quote:

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How John McCain is Going to Win...

By letting Obama be Obama.

Part Deux:

"You can put lipstick on a pig," Obama said as the crowd cheered. "It's still a pig."

Of course, the second he got called on it, Obama began to cry:

"Barack Obama accused rival John McCain of unleashing a "Swift-boat" style attack for launching a Web ad insisting the Democrat smeared Sarah Palin with his "pig in lipstick" crack."

If Obama can't take the criticism now, what's he going to do if he wins?

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/10/08 10:02 AM

Seems that folks aren't buying the "swift boat" line:

Posted by: the unknown pervert

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/10/08 05:53 PM

Actually the best way for Obama to get my vote would be for him to come out and say "You bet your ass that was a swipe at Palin, so what." At least then I would be more likely to believe him when he goes on TV and says he's not raising taxes or when he declares victory on an aircraft carrier.

Posted by: Cleetus VanDamme

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/11/08 12:01 PM

We all know that Obama is not going anywhere near a pig

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/11/08 10:41 PM

dude it is obvious MCCaine Corp is a big FAIL

HERE'S THE QUESTION voters should be asking themselves this week: Just how stupid does the McCain-Palin campaign think I am?

The answer: Dumb enough to hoodwink with charges so contrived and cynical they make your teeth ache.

Let's start with the most insidious of the assertions: that Barack Obama has supported teaching "comprehensive sex education" to kindergartners. The McCain campaign has put up an ad making that claim, citing legislation Obama voted for as an Illinois state senator.

Actually, the intent wasn't to teach young kids all about sex, but rather how to recognize improper physical contact, says Kelvy Brown, legislative coordinator for the Chicago Department of Public Health, which backed the bill.

"It was about teaching them what's not appropriate when it comes to touching, fondling, those types of things," Brown said.

Further, the 2003 legislation stipulated that any school sex education program had to be "age and developmentally appropriate" and have a parental opt out.

As the nonpartisan campaign watchdog FactCheck.org has made clear, this is a thoroughly dishonest ad.

No matter. The McCain campaign has shown it's ready and willing to say preposterous things to win.

Now, it's true the Obama camp has been guilty of some distortions of its own. Still, it's the McCain team that has made leveling false or misleading accusations its modus operandi.

Witness this week's other foray into flimflam: the charge that Obama had called GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin a porcine politico on Tuesday by saying "you can put lipstick on a pig - it's still a pig."

That expression is one that McCain himself has used a number of times, most notably to criticize Hillary Clinton's 2007 healthcare proposal. And in context, it's clear Obama invoked the phrase to portray McCain's policies as a continuation of the Bush administration's, and not to disparage Palin.

Indeed, the notion that it was a barb belittling Palin is so self-evidently absurd that Republican Mike Huckabee refused to play along. "It's an old expression," he told Fox News' Sean Hannity. "I do not think he was referring to Sarah Palin."

Of course he wasn't. And yet, the McCain camp quickly put up a Web ad portraying it as a sexist remark, and on Wednesday McCain spokespeople and surrogates served up similar accusations of disrespect on TV. Pressed about those claims on MSNBC, McCain senior policy adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer stumbled into a revealing moment. "It doesn't matter what the media thinks," she said. "What matters is what the American people think."

Translation: If we can dupe voters into believing Obama disparaged Palin, we can score political points.

Sadly, one of the McCain allies pushing this manufactured controversy has been former Massachusetts acting governor Jane Swift, who on a Tuesday McCain campaign conference call flatly accused Obama of calling Palin a pig.

On Wednesday, I noted to Swift that a reading of Obama's remarks simply doesn't lend credence to that charge. And, further, that McCain has used the same expression himself.

Well, replied Swift, Palin's convention speech joke about lipstick meant the word was very much associated with her in the public mind. "If it didn't intend to bring her into it, why would you choose that particular" formulation? she asked.

What's more, she said, some in the crowd listening to Obama had also taken his comment as a reference to Palin.

Think those arguments are flimsy? Well, consider her further contention: "Nobody but Barack Obama . . . can know what he intended," but the fact that she and others had found it offensive meant that he should "make the whole thing go away by saying, 'I shouldn't have said it.' "

So, let's see: Obama employs an everyday expression to make a legitimate political argument. His opponent's camp then strains an Achilles in a ludicrous attempt to twist his comment into a sexist insult.

And now, to end the controversy, Obama should apologize?

There's some pretzel logic for you.

McCain and Swift are the ones who should apologize.

Voters, meanwhile, should be insulted that the McCain campaign is trying to peddle them this kind of transparent trumpery.

source

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/11/08 10:45 PM

Quote:

Actually the best way for Obama to get my vote would be for him to come out and say "You bet your ass that was a swipe at Palin, so what." At least then I would be more likely to believe him when he goes on TV and says he's not raising taxes or when he declares victory on an aircraft carrier.

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Before Darrah signed on here I hadn't seen so many things go over someone's head since Vinny Testeverde was QB with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.-me

the irony of yr comment compared with yr quote is as rich as they come pal.... thanks

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/11/08 10:52 PM

paul krugman gonna break yr fagot republican ass

holy shit almost looks islamic or some shit...the way he holds that cat!!1!

Posted by: Random

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/11/08 10:54 PM

"I really want to know if she thinks dinosaurs were here four thousand years ago, because she's going to have the nuclear codes." -- Matt Damon on Sarah Palin

Like most people, I find it irritating when celebs speak out on, well, just about anything, but this is actually pretty funny.

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/11/08 11:01 PM

it is something i am seriously hoping people are thinking about...this wacky (tho apparently sexy) VP is going to be about as close to the codes as any VP in history just based on McCain's age...

...it really becomes a time to think of Country rather than Party...

Posted by: TheBillyvassi

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/11/08 11:03 PM

Thats because in circus-pyscho-clownshow that has become american culture celebrities arent people...

fuck me .

i find it funny all the pundits gabbing over polls and shit
did anyone else notice, the almost triple voter registration and primary voting by democrats?

anyone want to take up a bet that mccain will actually win?
its fucking laughable

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/11/08 11:06 PM

and really...what would it be without a YouTube Link

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/11/08 11:07 PM

yep that Liberal Media sure loves a horse race...

Posted by: Willie D

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/11/08 11:32 PM

In a time when banks are failing, the FDIC is talking about borrowing from the Treasury to make up in insurance shortfalls (Tom Brown and Vernon K. Hill notwithstanding), and underwriting standards on just about every type of loan except those guaranteed by cash collateral are tougher than a Kelly Wells double anal scene, why has no one mentioned the name Charles Keating, and the fact that McCain helped to bring about the Resolution Trust Corporation and the biggest wave of bank failures ever in the United States--over 2,000-- when, as a Congressman, he personally lobbied the Office of Thrift Supervision to loosen bank examination standards on Lincoln Savings; right after Charlie Keating handed him a pile of campaign money?

He has shit on just about everyone he ever befriended in Arizona politics: Mo Udall, Barry Goldwater, John Rhodes, Bob Stump, Todd Gozinski, Grant Woods, Pat Murphy, the list goes on and on...

As an example of his "statesmanship," JohnnyMac once brought a New York Times reporter to Walter Reed Hospital to meet Mo Udall. Udall was a Democrat in this enormously conservative state, but worked with Republicans Carl Hayden and Barry Goldwater to fund the canal system which basically keep me and my state alive. By this time, Udall was dying of Parkinsons Disease, but that didn't stop JohnnyMac from trying to wake the dying Udall for five minutes so he could say something nice about him in front of a national reporter.

Something's rotten in the State of Denmark.

Posted by: Cleetus VanDamme

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 06:10 AM

Problem is Dems don't come out to the polss without the promise of free cigs.

Posted by: the unknown pervert

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 08:22 AM

Quote:

paul krugman gonna break yr fagot republican ass

holy shit almost looks islamic or some shit...the way he holds that cat!!1!

Not while Scott Rasmussen is around.

Posted by: Willie D

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 08:39 AM

And while we're at it, let's dispense with the fallacy that a Pres/VP ticket is some kind of "team." Bullshit. John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, two of the greatest political minds ever, were once Pres & VP respectively. They were no team.

The job of the VP is to sit around and wait for the President to die or become incapacitated, and to break ties in the Senate. That's it. You could argue that the VP also has a responsibility to shoot his friends in the face with a shotgun, but that's probably limited to one specific person.

Imagine the day that McCain gets cancer agin (he's already had it 4 times) and is undergoing chemo for a week, at which point a "hockey mom" from Alaska becomes the head of the Executive. No team any longer, just one lost individual, and a bunch of cabinet members who will resent her for being chosen VP over them.

She--not McCain--gets to deal with Putin, with the womanzier Sarkozy, with that douchebag Burlesconi, with the Iranians who hate us, and with the Israelis who will spy on us at a moment's notice (think Jonathan Pollard). Imagine Thuggo Chavez laughing her down when he starts rattling his sword in South America.

Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day!

Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day!

Posted by: Cleetus VanDamme

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 10:04 AM

Willie is right of course but I also can't see Obama doing to well in regard to those same situations. We are doomed with 2 choices.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 12:09 PM

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let's dispense with the fallacy that a Pres/VP ticket is some kind of "team." Bullshit. John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, two of the greatest political minds ever, were once Pres & VP respectively. They were no team.

The job of the VP is to sit around and wait for the President to die or become incapacitated, and to break ties in the Senate. That's it. You could argue that the VP also has a responsibility to shoot his friends in the face with a shotgun, but that's probably limited to one specific person.

Imagine the day that McCain gets cancer agin (he's already had it 4 times) and is undergoing chemo for a week, at which point a "hockey mom" from Alaska becomes the head of the Executive. No team any longer, just one lost individual, and a bunch of cabinet members who will resent her for being chosen VP over them.

Very valid points. They're not a “team” and are sometimes at cross-purposes. Once in a while (JFK/LBJ) they outright Hate each other.

I don’t think McCain would croak in office, but if he were to do so, I think a better analogy for Palin would be John Tyler, who succeeded to the Presidency after WH Harrison checked out one month into his term. Tyler so alienated his fellow Whigs that they kicked him out of the party while he was still in office, and made him both the first President to be the subject of an impeachment resolution and the first to have a veto overridden by Congress.

Nor do I see see Palin being able to replace any of McCain’s cabinet pics with her fellow bible-thumpers. Control of the Senate is expected to remain with the Democrats (if they don’t outright expand their majority.) Does anyone really expect her to get her way there? John Tower, anyone? Or Bork, or Myers? In effect, she’d be handed her own de facto Tenure of Office Act.

Last, I don’t see her starting any wars while in office, either. If Haig and Kissinger were able to keep Nixon from launching nukes while the world crashed down around him in his own political Gotterdammerung, I don’t think there will be any problem keeping the Baked Alaskan Bible Broad from starting trouble, either.

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Willie is right of course but I also can't see Obama doing to well in regard to those same situations. We are doomed with 2 choices.

I'm strongly considering a Cleetus/XXXBit ticket. Now where's my free cigs?

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 12:11 PM

Quote:

it really becomes a time to think of Country rather than Party...

Which is why, as a lifelong Democrat, I can't in good conscience support Obama. Doesn't mean I support mcCain, either.

Posted by: Willie D

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 12:57 PM

This is the only "President Palin" Cleetus would ever support:

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 12:59 PM

[dailykos]Religious nutjob[/dailykos]

Posted by: Cleetus VanDamme

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 02:29 PM

Quote:

This is the only "President Palin" Cleetus would ever support:

You know I do think of Monty Python every time someone says her name, they also could use a cleese on this ticket

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 07:05 PM

"mccaine/palin 08: ...And now for something completely different (yet totally the same)"

Posted by: RenfieldGyps

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 09:21 PM

He's not going to win.

Posted by: gia jordan

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 09:23 PM

I will do ANYTHING to stop Palin.

Posted by: RenfieldGyps

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 09:27 PM

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I will do ANYTHING to stop Palin.

I agree and NOOOOO Bornyo not only because of what she said about Pits. She's a fucking lunatic. She's against everything I stand for.

Posted by: Gunker

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 09:38 PM

HAR!

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 09:42 PM

not only whores but hockey moms lie.

Posted by: Bornyo

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 09:48 PM

You will grow to love this hockey mom. I'll bet anyone she shoots no one as vice president. She's much better versed in gun safety.

Posted by: gia jordan

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 09:49 PM

Awesome. She should start on herself.

Posted by: Bornyo

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 10:03 PM

So, can I get some kind of bet from Elaborator, Gunker and Gian Jerkens regarding the election? You three seem confident, yet resolved.

Posted by: Gunker

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 10:26 PM

Too early.

Examining the past few elections:

2004: Bush 286, Kerry 251.
2000: Bush 271, Gore 266.
1996: Clinton 379, Dole 159.
1992: Clinton 370, Bush Sr. 168.

I'm guessing Obama 285, McCain 250 (no idea if these numbers are mathematically possible).

Posted by: Bornyo

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/12/08 10:39 PM

I can tell you those numbers are not possible. It's not a sure thing (what is?) but I'm betting heavily McCain/Palin has this.

You'll get over it- you are used to it.

Posted by: the unknown pervert

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/13/08 08:31 AM

The trend in recent history is that the surer the Democrats are that their candidate will win the more likely it is that they will fall flat on their face into the only fresh dog turd on the street.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/13/08 10:28 AM

It's still early, but from where I sit, here's the (REVISED*) Electoral College breakdown:

The popular vote will be much closer. Maybe 53-47 McCain. Maybe 52-48.

Again, it's still ~50 days until the election and a lot can change.

*Thanks to XXXBit for catching Wisconsin

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/13/08 10:55 AM

And before someone asks, I suppose I should explain how the Electoral College works:

There are a total of 538 Electoral Votes.

Each state has a number of electors equal to that state's representation in Congress. (100 Senators + 435 Representatives = 535.) Additionally, Washington DC has an amount equal to the smallest state (i.e. 3) for a total of 538.

EXAMPLE: Ohio has 2 Senators and 18 Representatives, giving it 20 Electoral Votes.

The minimum any state can have is 3 Electoral Votes, as each state automatically has 2 Senators and at least 1 Representative.

48 States and DC use a winner-take-all system. Maine and Nebraska use a tiered system where a single elector is chosen within each Congressional district and two electors are chosen by statewide popular vote. Wiki

When you vote, you're not voting for a specific candidate. You're actually voting for Electors who are pledged to that candidate. Once in a blue moon, an elector will go off the reservation and vote for someone other than the candidate they're pledged to vote for. But this has never effected the outcome of an election. Wiki

Posted by: XXXbit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/13/08 11:34 AM

Damn Jim....I was supposed to teach that lesson..(I even have charts and graphs)....oh well....

I am thinking Wisconsin will go in the Obama column.....even though the state is historically blue by less than 1%.....that 1% range has been widening every time....

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/13/08 11:58 AM

Oh shit. I had that in the wrong column. Wasn't sufficiently caffienated.

Revised projections above. Thanks, XXXBit. (And charts and graphs are always welcome.)

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/13/08 04:33 PM

AP poll: Whites help McCain to slim lead

Working-class and suburban whites give GOP candidate lead over Obama

WASHINGTON - An overwhelming advantage in experience and lopsided support from working-class and suburban whites have lifted Republican John McCain to a slender lead over Barack Obama less than two months from Election Day, a poll on the presidential race said Friday.

The Arizona senator has a 13-percentage-point lead over his Democratic rival both with men and senior citizens, and a 23-point advantage among rural residents, according to the Associated Press-GfK Poll of likely voters. He's also doing better than Obama at consolidating support from party loyalists: 94 percent of Republicans back McCain, while 83 percent of Democrats prefer the Illinois senator...

The poll is in line with others showing that in the days since both parties picked vice presidential candidates and held their conventions, Republicans have gained momentum and erased a modest lead Obama held most of the summer. McCain leads Obama among likely voters, 48 percent to 44 percent, according to the AP-GfK Poll.

"My heart sort of runs with McCain and my mind probably tends to run toward Obama," said David Scorup, 58, a county government official in Othello, Wash. "I think I resonate more with McCain."

The poll suggests that perceived inexperience is more of a problem at the top of the Democratic ticket than in the No. 2 spot for Republicans.

Eighty percent say McCain, with nearly three decades in Congress, has the right experience to be president. Just 46 percent say Obama, now in his fourth year in the Senate, is experienced enough.

Fully 47 percent say Obama lacks the proper experience — an even worse reading than the 36 percent who had the same criticism about McCain running mate Sarah Palin, serving her second year as Alaska governor after being a small-town mayor.

"This is his fourth year in the Senate, and two of those four years he spent campaigning for president," said Arthur Koch, 63, an undecided voter from Wallington, N.J. "I'm not too comfortable with that..."

Seven in 10 said Palin made the right decision in becoming McCain's running mate, despite the demands of a family whose five children include a pregnant, unmarried teenage daughter and an infant with Down syndrome. Men were slightly likelier than women to back her choice, and even Obama supporters were split closely over whether she did the proper thing...

McCain leads Obama by 55 percent to 37 percent among whites. That includes margins of 24 points with suburban whites and 26 points with whites who haven't finished college, plus similar advantages with white men and married whites.

The poll finds that despite Democratic attempts to tie McCain to the profoundly unpopular Bush, half say they believe the Arizonan would chart a different course — including a slight majority of independents, a pivotal bloc of voters. In addition, although slightly more call themselves Democrats than Republicans, conservatives have a huge 40 percent to 20 percent edge over liberals...

Though Obama led among those who said values were more important than experience, respondents gave a 9-point edge to McCain as the candidate whose values and principles are similar to theirs. He had an 8-point edge over whom people agreed with on issues.

In another sign of recent GOP gains, people said they preferred a Democratic to a Republican-run Congress, 46 percent to 41 percent. Several surveys earlier this year gave Democrats a wider edge.

MSNBC

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/13/08 04:40 PM

Boston Herald on the same poll:

McCain leading Obama 48 to 44 percent overall
Obama up by 5 points with women, but McCain ahead by 12 points among white women.
Sarah Palin ranked higher, at 42 percent, than either McCain or Obama when white women were asked which candidate shares their values and principles “a lot.”

Also:

Yesterday’s Gallup daily poll puts McCain up 48 percent to 45 percent over Obama among registered voters.

Yesterday’s Rasmussen daily poll also shows McCain up by 3 points.

Posted by: XXXbit

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/13/08 08:31 PM

School House Rock explains the electoral college

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/13/08 08:34 PM

Schoolhouse Rock Kicks Ass.

Posted by: Jigaloo

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/13/08 08:35 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Z5vzp-Ti8

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/14/08 09:16 AM

"from where you sit?" hahaha where did you get that chart jimbo? it is completely ignoring state by state tracking. You Republicans are the ones who are "expecting" this. You listen too much to the Rovian Math and are forgetting the ground game and the fact that Obama 08 is taking it on in all states while McCaine 08 is afraid to let him seperate from his "Soul Mate" Palin for a number of reasons which amusingly enough include the fact that she is the one finally bringing crowds to the events.

Republicans (at least the ones who are still identifying themselves as such and not as Libertarians...or the ones on the Porno-Formo boards that just want to get along with everybody) are completely at the point where they feel they deserve to Rule. Give them enough tax cuts and they will believe anything ... even that a religious wingnut dumbcunt would be allowed to be a pretzel away from the white house.

but hey...jimbo "doesn't think he is going to die" hahaha.

(eat yr broccoli they all can't be Hot Pocket Threads)

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/14/08 10:07 AM

It's my own math, eblab.

Have you got your own numbers?

Anything of substance to contribute to the conversation?

Form a sentence without using the belabored word "Rovian?"

Can you do anything besides say "hahaha" and stick your tongue out like a seven year old girl?

No?

Then pipe down, pipsqueak. You're only slightly less embarrassing than Gonzo420.

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/14/08 01:21 PM

Quote:

It's my own math, eblab.

exactly... use yr OCD skills to throw together some wiki bullshit thing explaining the electoral college while throwing some dumbass chart that completely ignores the true state by state polling as far as what states are vulnerable in 08 and the amount of newly registered voters AND the money raising difference...

...then start projecting and hurling insults. haha i laugh at you because you are so amazingly predictable.

Have a good day jimbo.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/14/08 01:32 PM

Quote:

projecting and hurling insults. haha i laugh at you because you are so amazingly predictable.

"I know you are but what am I?" Still acting like a seven year old girl. Well listen, missy: The moment you contribute something of substance to the conversation, like maybe your own electoral projections, perhaps, people will begin to take you seriously. Until then, you ought to abide by the old maxim of children being seen and not heard. Christ, even Gunker took a stab at it (albeit without knowing how many electors there were.)

Oh, and way to succumb to your inner Hyde and allow yourself to be goaded into changing that flamboyantly gay avatar of yours:

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/14/08 02:55 PM

okay jimbo...whatever you say...not going to play yr game...

BUT if you think i changed my avatar pic because of you? haha you are hilarious. I change my avatar often. Maybe you can do an OCD Spreadsheet comparing my changes and come up with some retarded reason why i did it sooner or something and take credit.

Have at it.

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/14/08 03:06 PM

John McCaine must release ALL of his health records

I know we have Jimbo on record as thinking McCaine won't die in office but I think a little more assurance is in order if McSame is going to pick a woefully unready religio-wingnut as his successor.

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/14/08 03:15 PM

So putting forth a projection of how the electoral vote is going to play out is now a manifestation of OCD?

Really?

Then I suppose your pal Gunker has it too. What about XXXBit? She made charts and graphs. Do we all have OCD, princess?

Or is it simply that you've got nothing.

And, yeah, I know you went Heidi over the avatar jabs. You always get flustered when I take a crack at you. Just as you perpetually whine at me when somebody rates your threads one-star. And before you do it again:

Posted by: RenfieldGyps

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/14/08 07:22 PM

He's gonna win with his newest video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaP9eiWuX3s

Posted by: Spunko

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/14/08 08:10 PM

McCain is going to win because no matter what kind of President he,or Palin should he croak,become....they won't be as bad as O'Carter.

Posted by: RenfieldGyps

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/14/08 09:16 PM

If we all vote, please dont let McCain win....please please please!!

Posted by: Gigi

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/16/08 11:31 AM

yay!!

Posted by: Crocodile

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/17/08 12:43 AM

McCain Says U.S. Shouldn't Bail Out AIG, Backs Study
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080916/pl_bloomberg/a39si8zmxj_o

Now, this guy has guts.

Posted by: elaborator

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/17/08 08:28 AM

Quote:

Now, this guy has guts.

AND he has an economic advisor and potential treasury secretary pick who helped start this whole mess

yeah ...um how is that deregulation working out for you?

[mccain08]"John McCaine didn't have the Fed to bail him out over Vietnam...he bailed out himself! ...and yeah P.O.W.!!1! [/mccain08]

our economy is FUCKED!

Posted by: Anonymous

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/17/08 11:29 AM

Quote:

AND he has an economic advisor and potential treasury secretary pick who helped start this whole mess

I seem to recall that when FDR established the Securities and Exchange Commission to regulate Wall Street, he picked the most rapacious speculator of them all to commence said regulation.

Oh, and guess who is a beneficiary of the AIG bailout, with holdings in the $1.5 - 2.1 Million range:

Posted by: NitneLiun

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/17/08 02:21 PM

The frequent use of the term, "AIG bailout" shows just how stupid and uninformed the media is. This is not a bailout. It is an acquisition of AIG for the purpose of selling off its assets in an orderly fashion. AIG won't be around a year from now.

Posted by: Soopergrizz

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/17/08 02:23 PM

Quote:

Oh, and guess who is a beneficiary of the AIG bailout, with holdings in the $1.5 - 2.1 Million range:

Makes a good story, but the biggest lawmaker/investor was a republican:

Quote:

Representative Robin Hayes, a North Carolina Republican, led the way with between $1.8 million and $6.6 million of stock. Senator John Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, was the only other lawmaker with at least $1 million, reporting holdings valued at from $1.5 million to $2.1 million. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, reported owning between $250,000 and $500,000.

Source

Besides, it's not much of a bailout, as far as shareholders are concerned since the gov't is getting 11% interest on the loan and warrants equal to about 80% of the stock.

By my rough and ready calculations (Willie, Burg or James please correct my math), the price of AIG fell from about $22 TWO WEEKS AGO to $2.05 today (it was at $70 a year ago).

Assuming that Kerry's interest in AIG was valued on Aug 31, 2008 his $1.5-2.1 million investment is worth between $136,500 and $191,000 dollars today. If the valuation was taken a year ago, his interest today would be between $40,000 and $60,000.

If the Feds exercise their warrants, then the resulting dilution of the stock would collapse his position (at present stock prices) to a value of less than $20,000.

The people who 'win' as a result of the 'bailout' are not the shareholders, they are the individual investors with money market fund investments that would have been wiped out by AIG's collapse.

Was that the point you were trying to make?

Posted by: Soopergrizz

Re: How John McCain is Going to Win... - 09/17/08 02:28 PM

supplementary:

Robin Hayes is mostly famous for making the following statement about the war in Iraq:

Quote:

"Stability in Iraq ultimately depends on spreading the message of Jesus Christ, the message of peace on earth, good will towards men. Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the Savior."[

Source

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