Question for Duke and Red

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 02/28/09 01:22 PM

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Welcome Gentlemen

I know the vast majority of performers don't have the ability to think about the long term impact of their career choice, or the drugs they take push it to the back of their mind/s, but you are pulling the strings behind the scenes, you run what you shoot.

So my question is, do either or both of you think you will regret your decision to enter porn, particularly the type of porn you shoot, which has to have a long term negative impact on the ladies who decide to do those scenes. and and im sure somewhere in the near future

I think we all have these dark fantasies inside of us, where at times the thought of humiliating a woman sexually can be appealing, but to actually go to the extent to do it , film it and show the world is another thing all in itself.

Right now the money is rolling in, and im sure the fact you are doing it with a friend helps convince yourselves that hey its ok. Im just curious if you think this will allow you to live normal , healthy lives once you are done with porn. Will you guys be able to find wives that will be okay with this past if revealed and since you've seen the worst in women and what these women do for money, would you ever be able to respect a person of the opposite sex?

I am fascinated by this sort of stuff, I remember watching a show called miami ink, where they had a young lady called Kat Von D, who at the time was dealing with what she called home sickness (from L.A) but what I suspected was more of depression, and she said she woke up in the middle of the night and went to the bathroom and saw herself in the mirror and asked herself 'what had she done?' She had covered herself in ink and had dedicated her life to not only getting it done but doing it to others, yet at this moment she had serious regrets about it. In all honest, have you had this moment?

I can only speak for myself in this reply.
Firstly, the premise in your first paragraph is invalid: "I know the vast majority of performers don't have the ability to think about the long term impact of their career choice, or the drugs they take push it to the back of their mind/s, but you are pulling the strings behind the scenes, you run what you shoot." So I can't answer something that is invalid, as showing only 1 girl who has her head on straight shows the invalidity of your first premise. But inspite of that, we will still proceed. Do I regret my descision about entering porn? or shooting what I shoot? Not in the least. When I made my descision to go into porn, I was standing on the doorway of Rutgers Law School. I had just taken my pre Lsat's and had one semester left at Rutgers. I said to myself, "if I become an attorney, I will be somone's bitch for 10 years, and by the time I make partner, I will be in my late 40's. And, I wont be doing anything that's more moral than porn, so my descision was easy. The type of content I chose was part of my business plan, albeit I do prefer this type of content over, say, "Pirates."
As far as long term impact, and saying that it will happen, is also a fallacy. I'm sure there are some that may, and there are some that I can't even affect because they have been on the receiving end of some kind of crap their whole life. However, it's tough to imagine a girl will have any kind of issues after going through what we go through to get them here, all the legal jargon that is read, having them show us time stamps in a video of what they will be doing, and having them check off to "specific" sexual acts that they will or will not do, if they have any issues after that, that is not my problem. That's like complaining about your job and the stress it caused you after all the orientation you went through: Phone ringing, pacakages going down the conveyor belt too fast, and then complaining months later? You knew, it's on you, and being that your first premise is invalid, therefore, it follows that your decisions are yours, and yours alone. Thus, you cant blame the mail man for the brown water in your glass at your most frequented place you eat.

"I think we all have these dark fantasies inside of us, where at times the thought of humiliating a woman sexually can be appealing, but to actually go to the extent to do it , film it and show the world is another thing all in itself."
You are falsely assuming that this is some clandestine operation. If I told you that you will be fisted in your ass, that it will wind up on the internet or dvd, or any commercial medium, be it known or unknown, AND THAT IT WILL BE PUBLISHED FOREVER, and, and you check a box that says "will you allow actors to fist your ass" and not to mention the phone conversation 4 days before you were booked of us reading the entire thing over the phone and giving you a password of someone else getting their ass fisted and on the release it says "explain to me in detail what happened at time stamp 21:31 on such and such video" is it really as you said, "another thing in itself?" Or am I just doing what I do and being very careful at what I do, and giving them every possible chance of saying "You know that's not for me." How many other directors do that. I should be heralded for my thoroughness and unwavering effort not to let externalities or deadlines occlude my due diligence as a director, and a person.

you also wrote: "Right now the money is rolling in, and im sure the fact you are doing it with a friend helps convince yourselves that hey its ok. Im just curious if you think this will allow you to live normal , healthy lives once you are done with porn. Will you guys be able to find wives that will be okay with this past if revealed and since you've seen the worst in women and what these women do for money, would you ever be able to respect a person of the opposite sex?" I currently live a happy life with someone who would be with me if I made 5 dollars an hour. She knows everything I do, and even worked for me as a bookkeeper, so she knows everything. I have to admit, I don't tell my neighbors, not because I am ashamed, but I know how mainstream media lumps all people who watch and produce porn like we are all a bunch of deviants and pedophiles. Yea, it gets a little hard at times to explaining to curious neighbors how I have a garage full of nice cars, but I just tell them I run an outsourcing call center in India. But, by now, after all I did for my community, my neighbors, who are now my friends, if they found out, so be it. What can you do. I'm always the one in city hall arguing with the town planners every time they try to put up a stupid strip mall in the woods behind my house, they know they can count on me to bring my team of angry Jewish lawyers to the table. So, smut maker or not, I do a lot for this neck of the woods, and a friendly wave from everyone in my development when I grab my mail is enough for me. If they start flipping me off, well, I guess they know I do porn. But when I told the guy who lives behind me, he didn't say "ewww" he said, "how do I get down with my own business." Needless to say, we have not been affected by the economy, so more people are open to making an honest buck. Now, one may say, "honest?" well, I put in 60-70 hours a week and pay more in taxes than 99% of the population. And I pay every dime. Which makes me a "productive citizen."
As far as a normal life with the opposite sex? This is just a job man. When I'm out with my GF (most likley soon to be wife) we do things like go apple picking, and all kinds of regular stuff. We have a loving, caring, sensual relationship, and we can talk about anything, and always do. So, yea, I picture having kids with her, taking them fishing, and being a good dad and husband. As I said in other interviews or threads, Duke Skywalker is a character.

you wrote "I am fascinated by this sort of stuff, I remember watching a show called miami ink, where they had a young lady called Kat Von D, who at the time was dealing with what she called home sickness (from L.A) but what I suspected was more of depression, and she said she woke up in the middle of the night and went to the bathroom and saw herself in the mirror and asked herself 'what had she done?' She had covered herself in ink and had dedicated her life to not only getting it done but doing it to others, yet at this moment she had serious regrets about it. In all honest, have you had this moment?"

Remember, that's tv. Plus, anyone who covers themselves in tattoos like that is probably going to think that about themselves, but no one is holding a gun to the others who want ink. She shouldn't feel bad about them. But to answer your question, no. Why?? There is nothing to feel bad about. If I were hiding in bushes and doing this and then showing it on the web, yea, I would. But does a boxer or an mma fighter feel bad about breaking someones nose? No. Would they feel bad if they did it at a bar because some drunken idiot said something off color? I am certain. Remember, we work in a theoretical ring, not a bar.
I hope that answers your questions,
Best,
Duke

Posted by: freestylah

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 02/28/09 03:51 PM

Excellent post, Duke. Makes sense.

Posted by: tattypatty

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 02/28/09 04:04 PM

Nice reply, Duke. I'm not nuts about all the shit you shoot, but I'm sick of the fuckin patronizing view of women as victims. IMO, it's more sexist to view them as children incapable of making decisions. This shit pissed me off about Max, too. A FUCKING 20 SECOND INTERNET SEARCH will tell a prospective porn whore everything she needs to know about working for you guys. Whores: If you don't wanna do dirty shit on camera for money, DON'T!

Posted by: Mark_J

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 02/28/09 04:36 PM

translation: "I cooked up an elaborate smoke screen to check out red's ass all day no questions asked."

seriously, great post Duke. breath of fresh air here at one-liner wars. you've crystallized the fact that it was apples v. oranges when a few simpletons tried comparing you to max, with their cries of foul that you got fist bumps upon arrival, whereas max got a 'take care brush your hair' upon his departure to prison.

the diff seems clear: you guys would probably care less about continuing a scene if the cam suddenly ran out of batteries and died, whereas max would keep on trucking in the automaton motions, cam but an afterthought.

Posted by: butterman

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 02/28/09 05:05 PM

Great response! It is a good thing you did not become a lawyer- those people are real scumbags!
Porn is an honest profession. I do not think it degrades women, or men, since everyone knows what is going down when they shoot. Also, everyone who views it (note- all video players and computers do have an off button) does so willingly. Like anything it can become addictive, but people with those personalities don't just have porn to blame.
If you can do the work the you like and make money at it you are truly blessed.

Posted by: DukeSkywalker

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 02/28/09 11:48 PM

I really try to be straight with you guys and tell you how it is. I guess I really feel it important to explaion myself, and thank my parents for the love and guidence to know the importantance of articulating yourself.
Cheers to you guys. And seriously, I like to be put on the xpt stand here and there. It keeps me sharp

Thanks for your questions and genuine responses.
Duke

Posted by: Smelly Monkey

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/01/09 01:50 AM

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Firstly, the premise in your first paragraph is invalid: "I know the vast majority of performers don't have the ability to think about the long term impact of their career choice, or the drugs they take push it to the back of their mind/s, but you are pulling the strings behind the scenes, you run what you shoot." So I can't answer something that is invalid, as showing only 1 girl who has her head on straight shows the invalidity of your first premise

Im not sure how my point was invaild. I said the vast majority, not all girls. It wouldn't be hard to believe that say 9/10 girls have little to no financial plan or even adequate savings. This isn't your probelm at all, but its a fact of the girls who perform (and males too). I use eva angelina as a fine example. Im unaware of her situation now, but during her first stint in porn she worked her ass off (no pun intended) and was probably on the fringe of top 20 status in terms of work load and fan base before leaving the business after her ex killed himself, within 2 months she was penniless and working at the olive garden . Before monstar comes here to refute these claims, these were words from her mouth, not mine.

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Do I regret my descision about entering porn? or shooting what I shoot? Not in the least. When I made my descision to go into porn, I was standing on the doorway of Rutgers Law School. I had just taken my pre Lsat's and had one semester left at Rutgers. I said to myself, "if I become an attorney, I will be somone's bitch for 10 years, and by the time I make partner, I will be in my late 40's. And, I wont be doing anything that's more moral than porn, so my descision was easy. The type of content I chose was part of my business plan, albeit I do prefer this type of content over, say, "Pirates."

Id say you picked the more honorable of the two professions thats for sure.

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, it's tough to imagine a girl will have any kind of issues after going through what we go through to get them here, all the legal jargon that is read, having them show us time stamps in a video of what they will be doing, and having them check off to "specific" sexual acts that they will or will not do, if they have any issues after that, that is not my problem

That is interesting, im surprised even after going through all of that some girls still want to do the scene

. I know my post my come off as very captin save a ho and thats not what im getting at, its more your own feelings on the scenes you do and how it might change those you work with, more from your perspective than that of the girls who perform in it from their perspective, if that makes sense?

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That's like complaining about your job and the stress it caused you after all the orientation you went through: Phone ringing, pacakages going down the conveyor belt too fast, and then complaining months later? You knew, it's on you, and being that your first premise is invalid, therefore, it follows that your decisions are yours, and yours alone. Thus, you cant blame the mail man for the brown water in your glass at your most frequented place you eat.

hmm not really, unless you are physically and sexually abused at your place of work, then having that sold to people

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If I told you that you will be fisted in your ass, that it will wind up on the internet or dvd, or any commercial medium, be it known or unknown, AND THAT IT WILL BE PUBLISHED FOREVER, and, and you check a box that says "will you allow actors to fist your ass" and not to mention the phone conversation 4 days before you were booked of us reading the entire thing over the phone and giving you a password of someone else getting their ass fisted and on the release it says "explain to me in detail what happened at time stamp 21:31 on such and such video" is it really as you said, "another thing in itself?" Or am I just doing what I do and being very careful at what I do, and giving them every possible chance of saying "You know that's not for me." How many other directors do that. I should be heralded for my thoroughness and unwavering effort not to let externalities or deadlines occlude my due diligence as a director, and a person.

You go above and beyond the call of duty and im sure this is very interesting to a lot of people here (myself included) who now have a better understanding of how you run your operations. Is it wrong to find it oddly appealing the thought of negotiating people's sexual boundaries? Wouldn't be a bad bonus feature on your site having these taped phone coversations released. I know burg would love to hear ass-hanti saying for $150 more she'd be willing to do a DP but will not take a pie to the face no matter what the fee.

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currently live a happy life with someone who would be with me if I made 5 dollars an hour. She knows everything I do, and even worked for me as a bookkeeper, so she knows everything. I have to admit, I don't tell my neighbors, not because I am ashamed, but I know how mainstream media lumps all people who watch and produce porn like we are all a bunch of deviants and pedophiles. Yea, it gets a little hard at times to explaining to curious neighbors how I have a garage full of nice cars, but I just tell them I run an outsourcing call center in India. But, by now, after all I did for my community, my neighbors, who are now my friends, if they found out, so be it. What can you do. I'm always the one in city hall arguing with the town planners every time they try to put up a stupid strip mall in the woods behind my house, they know they can count on me to bring my team of angry Jewish lawyers to the table. So, smut maker or not, I do a lot for this neck of the woods, and a friendly wave from everyone in my development when I grab my mail is enough for me. If they start flipping me off, well, I guess they know I do porn. But when I told the guy who lives behind me, he didn't say "ewww" he said, "how do I get down with my own business." Needless to say, we have not been affected by the economy, so more people are open to making an honest buck. Now, one may say, "honest?" well, I put in 60-70 hours a week and pay more in taxes than 99% of the population. And I pay every dime. Which makes me a "productive citizen."

Im surprised that it is possible to have a healthy relationship outside of the porn industry, I take my hat (or hand iron mike) off to you. I also see your point on not wanting to tell others about your career choice, hell i was embarrassed to tell even my close friends that I was Daniel Day Lewis' personal assistant for the short time that I was, so I totally see your point there.

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As far as a normal life with the opposite sex? This is just a job man. When I'm out with my GF (most likley soon to be wife) we do things like go apple picking, and all kinds of regular stuff. We have a loving, caring, sensual relationship, and we can talk about anything, and always do. So, yea, I picture having kids with her, taking them fishing, and being a good dad and husband. As I said in other interviews or threads, Duke Skywalker is a character.

Is it though? I mean is it really that easy to separate yourself from the work?, thats basically my point, I mean if a pornstar cures cancer what do you think she'll be known as? or referred to in the news article. Its a rare profession that sticks with you long after you have finish with it. Its like the naked mob but in better shape.

Thanks for the lengthy answer, it might of come off as I was attacking you but I wasn't im just curious about the stuff I raised, and you didn't have to answer yourself to anyone here let alone me, but it is appreciated, love monkey.

Posted by: Northrop

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/01/09 10:52 AM

What I wanna know is, Meatholes, JM Productions, and Max Hardcore have all recently undergone criminal accusations and at least 2 of them, trials. How does Facial Abuse avoid legal problems? You guys are as least as rough as those guys, and in your videos you brag about being rougher. I just know if I were the feds and were going to do something as bone-headed as go after obscenity charges, I'd have put Facial Abuse above JM and Meatholes as targets. How do you guys avoid legal problems?

I realize you have that huge process about a girl getting to do the film, but that's not what the charges are about. The charges are the content in the film itself.

Plus, isn't Cali the only place it's legal to shoot porn? You guys live in New York. You just see that here and there when you look at porn news sites.

Also, I don't care if you respond to this last part or not. But, that whole thing about blaming the girl for her actions, that's all rationalization. You brag in your films that it usually takes a week for the girl to really regret her actions. Yeah, the girl did something really stupid. And, you gave her every opportunity and information to not do said stupid thing. But, you know they usually end up regretting it severely later, you brag about it in your videos. And, you play a big role in the girl doing this. Just blaming the girl alone isn't valid. You know what you're doing and you know what the result usually is.

That said, I highly enjoy your work, just no way in hell I would do it myself.

Also, please show more of the girls bodies in your films. A couple of your videos I've watched, I've desperately wanted to see what I just know is the girl's big, round, perky ass, but no footage of it whatsoever. Except maybe from the side or at a weird angle. It's been awhile since I've seen a new videos of yours, so hopefully you've changed that already. Some of these are beautiful sexy girls who are completely naked and you don't even bother to show off their bodies. Makes no sense to me.

Posted by: Northrop

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/01/09 01:11 PM

They're not gonna make it mainly focused on the woman's body. It's mainly going to be upside down face fucking and power driving into her. But, from a commercial perspective, it's better to have something in there for as many as possible. You know there's a lot of guys who want a good look at the her tits and ass. And, it would be easy for them to add a few minutes of just watching her body. There'd still be plenty of abuse and violence to watch the whore endure.

I hope it's not some principle of the matter nonsense where that's a different kind of thing and we don't do it. This is porn after all. Just add some.

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/05/09 03:28 PM

I am new on this board. Ive been in the buisness about 7 months. Everyone makes bad decisions in their lives, some are worse than others.

To Mr. Duke....That law degree would have lasted you a lifetime. With porn going down the "tubes" these days, i think it will be a very short time before its your turn to regret your decision. How long do you think your career in porn will last? Not nearly as long as that law degree I bet.

Posted by: Chixter GVision

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/05/09 05:30 PM

Mayhap Ms. Morning you could do a FA scene please? It would give you a chance to hobnob with Duke and us a chance to see you in action. Just a suggestion, whattya say?

Posted by: gia jordan

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/05/09 05:34 PM

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I am new on this board. Ive been in the buisness about 7 months. Everyone makes bad decisions in their lives, some are worse than others.

To Mr. Duke....That law degree would have lasted you a lifetime. With porn going down the "tubes" these days, i think it will be a very short time before its your turn to regret your decision. How long do you think your career in porn will last? Not nearly as long as that law degree I bet.

Is your question a projection of the choices you've made?

Posted by: Cleetus VanDamme

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/05/09 05:38 PM

In the US we have more than enough lawyers, we could always use more porn people

Posted by: gia jordan

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/05/09 07:06 PM

Before porn, I was stripping for 8 years, so it's not like my adding 2.5 years of porn to my detour from reality was that detrimental. Who knows if I'd have my name engraved on my door at an NYC ad agency or just continued to work retail with a small lateral move into store mgmt if I hadn't of gone into stripping at all, but I was lured by the personal freedom of stripping, the easy money, the lack of glass ceiling, and avoiding the rat race. At 24 and only 2 years of higher ed, I still didn't know what I wanted to do with my life anyway. Where I'm from, that's very late in the game to still not know. I just made sure I kept my credit score high, bought a house, and saved money so that when I did know, I'd have something concrete to show for it. I saw a lot of girls just make stupid small mistakes rolling like a ball of wax into huge mistakes, and I didn't want that to be me. Trust me, if something bizarre happened and I couldn't be a photographer, sitting at a job interview explaining huge time lapses in my resume would be a challenge.

I honestly had an amazing time in porn and feel fortunate that I came into photography with the opportunity to document my time in it and the porn scene. If I hadn't been in the porn industry, but still chose to document it, my photos wouldn't be the same because my experience wouldn't be the same.

Would I arrive at the same destination if I had foregone seeing the inside of a strip club dressing room and later Jules Jordan's office for eventually finding a career, I don't know. What if it would've still taken me years of selling dress suits and Manolo Blahniks to figure things out, would I be some top ad exec? Doubtful. Attorney? No. I believe I'm better off financially on the path I've taken.

Posted by: lance69

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/05/09 07:07 PM

I guess when you don't get the answer you've already imagined they should give you resort to juvenile insults, while pretending to be open minded? That's a pretty pathetic hypocrisy if you ask me.
Is it that hard to fathom that someone may give an answer you disagree with? It is possible that while you may regret your choices others don't.

(Yes this post was at morning obviously, was to lazy to quote)

Posted by: gia jordan

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/05/09 07:12 PM

Was just pm'd me saying his post was meant for Morning. Just so you newcomers know.

Posted by: tattypatty

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/05/09 09:59 PM

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In the US we have more than enough lawyers, we could always use more porn people

I dunno about that. But at least most porn directors tell you they're gonna fuck you in the ass...

Posted by: 99% Fiction

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/05/09 10:13 PM

Porn and lawyers, when you find something good, you'll keep going back to it. Maybe even tell some friends.

Hell, I wouldn't give up porn for my girlfriend, but I'd give it up if my lawyer told me to.

Posted by: pretty

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 12:22 AM

you know everyone REALLY wantsta know how much the girls get paid to get peed on lol

Posted by: freestylah

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 04:06 AM

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But seriously freestyle, what do you think would be more lucrative and more secure over a lifetime, a niche porn website, or a law degree?

Maybe Duke wasn't looking for 'lucrative and secure', when he made his decision? Ever thought about that possibility?

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And I never said he made a stupid decision. I said that i think he will regret his decision. .... It was YOU who used the term stupid decision. Could that be what YOU really think maybe. After all, you are the one who said it, not me.

Fair enough. You didn't say it was a stupid decision. I used the word stupid, but I'm not judging his decision, nor am I talking about 'lucratice and secure'.

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 09:08 AM

Freestyle, you dodged the question again. Maybe duke has made some good money and is having a great time doing what hes doing. If so, good for him.

But with the economy the way it is, and it is going to get worse, especially for porn,(all that FREE internet porn) I was merely speculating that duke will probably regret his decision. It might take 10 or 15 years but I think that day will come for him, thats just my opinion. In this day and age luctative AND secure is something that alot of people can only dream about. Knowing you had a chance to secure that for yourself but giving it up to be in porn seems like something an obviiously intellligent person like duke would regret.(he's obviuosly a smart guy,dummies dont go to law schoool)

Funny how you quote my question in your post but never answer it yourself. Maybe Duke wasnt looking for lucrative and secure, that may be true, but it is a simple question.
What do YOU think would be more lucrative and secure over a lifetime? Lets go one further, If he asked YOU for advice as to go into porn or become a lawyer, which would YOU advise a friend to do?

Maybe Duke made a bad choice. Did you ever think about that?

An honest answer would be appreciated.

AND lance, I probably have a much better prospective on how MOST female talent in the industry feel about the choices they've made. Honesty is a very rare thing when performers talk about the industry. Dont believe everything you read when a performer tells you she 'loves' being in the industry. Talk to that same girl after shes out of the industry for a year or two, when she doesnt have to worry about pising someone off and not getting work. The story changes real quick, but I suspect you already know that.

I'm just being as honest as I can. Do I regret my choices, yes I do, but I got to do what I got to do to get by, so be it.

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 09:27 AM

And heres an example of what I said above. An article on avn right now about sasha grey. Yes, she is very succesful as a female performer, but in my opinion, not being honest. She describes herself as a ' "perfomance artist", and "the new breed."

She is no different than anyone who came before her or any who will come after. She is a great performer, but 'performance artist'? She sucks and fucks just like the rest of us. She does nothing different than any other performer. "The new breed", give me a break. This is the oldest profession in the world. How many performance artist get std's, anal warts, yeast and bladder infections, and fecal infections of the throat?

Sasha is very succesful, that is true, and good for her. But how many here honestly think she is the 'new breed of performance artist?' Maybe instead of reffering to female performers here as porn whores (PW's) you can all start calling us PA's,(perfomance artists) LOL

Posted by: cqd

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 09:33 AM

How long did it take you to notice that Sasha Grey is a twit?

Posted by: lance69

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 09:53 AM

Honesty in this industry from anyone is rare, producers and performers and everyone in between. My opinions also aren't formed by people's interviews or articles. People that regret their decisions are the people who do it for the wrong reasons, such as drugs, the fast cash, and more often than not, pure laziness (open legs insert ATM). All are regrettable motivating factors, but the realities of the biz are not state secrets..

I am personally not going to feel regret about doing what I do, especially just because someone else does. There are tons of ways to make money without doing porn, yet people still do, most often due to laziness.

This society is insane with the absolution of personal responsibility. We even go so far as to "justify" and "understand" criminal behavior just to sympathize.

It is no secret what the porn industry is, SEX, all types some degrading some that takes women and puts them on a pedestal. Make your choice with your eyes wide open and live your life. (Or you can just blame someone else when you start to feel bad for your own lack of clarity

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Posted by: Dick Dastardly

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 11:18 AM

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Yes, you give the girl every opportunity to use her common sense and get the hell out of there and that is something. But, a lot of these girls are in porn because they don't have the common sense to hold down a steady job and spend all their money like it's water. Just giving them an opportunity to display their lack of common sense, I don't buy it.

So this means that people like Duke shouldn't capitalize on that? If you honestly believe that, you are a dumbass. These girls may lack the ability to reason (for the future, etc.) & spend money like drunken sailors. However, I can't imagine they are fucking retarded, or at the very least, not of sound mind to take responsibility for their decisions.

I have an ongoing issue right now, whereas someone I know feels they've been wronged due to some very personal information which I discussed VERY publicly. Actions, mind you, which went as far as they did because of what she did to ignite the situation. There is truth to the things that I discussed (so as to avoid libel), so why be ashamed when someone brings them up for everyone to read?

I'm not the kind to just live & let go, I need the last word.

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Ive only been aware of this site for four days. It took me two days to figure out , that most people here actually know nothing about the industry, other than the fantasies in their head.

I'm gonna take a wild stab here & say that you're male talent (who makes less than the whores to begin with), and you're probably not working much. Remember, there are 100 mopes/grunts like you, making likely 1/10 (or less) of what Duke makes for a single movie/scene as the content producer director.

Yes, none of us here know anything about how porn operates. It's all one big fantasy to us.

Are you friends with Bukkake Mike? Is this Scott Hancock?

Posted by: freestylah

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 04:27 PM

Morning moaned:

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... In this day and age luctative AND secure is something that alot of people can only dream about.

Not all people, clown, not all people. Is it possible that lucrative and secure is not at the top of one's list of priorities?

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Knowing you had a chance to secure that for yourself but giving it up to be in porn seems like something an obviiously intellligent person like duke would regret.

You seem to know Duke rather well. Why don't you ask him personally?

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What do YOU think would be more lucrative and secure over a lifetime? Lets go one further, If he asked YOU for advice as to go into porn or become a lawyer, which would YOU advise a friend to do?

I have no idea what would be more lucrative and secure. Nor do I care. If Duke asked my advice (yeah, right), I would have to tell him that I have no idea what would be most lucrative and secure. I probably would tell him to do what he WANTS to do.

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Maybe Duke made a bad choice. Did you ever think about that?

No. Never thought about it.

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 04:38 PM

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Honesty in this industry from anyone is rare, producers and performers and everyone in between. My opinions also aren't formed by people's interviews or articles. People that regret their decisions are the people who do it for the wrong reasons, such as drugs, the fast cash, and more often than not, pure laziness (open legs insert ATM). All are regrettable motivating factors, but the realities of the biz are not state secrets..

I am personally not going to feel regret about doing what I do, especially just because someone else does. There are tons of ways to make money without doing porn, yet people still do, most often due to laziness.

This society is insane with the absolution of personal responsibility. We even go so far as to "justify" and "understand" criminal behavior just to sympathize.

It is no secret what the porn industry is, SEX, all types some degrading some that takes women and puts them on a pedestal. Make your choice with your eyes wide open and live your life. (Or you can just blame someone else when you start to feel bad for your own lack of clarity )

Lance, please show me where i ever blamed anyone else for any of the choices I have made. I've done about four or five scenes a month for the past several months to make extra cash(note 'extra' cash) to supplement my income. Ive seen lots of guys and girls who, like you said, ae in it for the wrong reasons(drugs abuse etc.). But ehyve made their own beds and they have to lie in them, just like I do, and just like everybody else. You seem to indicat in your post that I am not takeing resposibility for my decistions., could you please show me anything Ive written here that leads you to believe that. I dont think you can, as a matter of fact, I know you cant.

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 04:47 PM

Mr. Freestyle, if you really dont know which would be more lucrative and secure over a lifetime, a law degree or a niche porn website then I can only wish you the best of luck. Youre going to need it. Or do you just give those flippant bullshit answers because you really are that stupid. Maybe, maybe not, but thats your problem.

And duke can answer me here anytime he wants. I doubt he will. Hell, I bet he could have done both, but like lance says, laziness is one of the main reasons people get into porn.

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 04:58 PM

I believe I'm better off financially on the path I've taken.

Miss gia, I think yours is probably the most educated opinion on this board about the realities of the porn industry for the average porn worker. You have been successful and I hope you continue to be.

I wonder if I could get an honest answer from you about this. What percentage of female performers do you think are better off, financially, emotionaly and healthwise, after leaving the adult industry?(without getting into how fucked up they were BEFORE porn, but after their stint in the industry). I think you are an example of a small minority who have made what might be called a 'career' out of the industry.

Posted by: cqd

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 05:08 PM

Hey Morning could we have some links to back up your assumptions please?

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if you really dont know which would be more lucrative and secure over a lifetime, a law degree or a niche porn website then I can only wish you the best of luck. Youre going to need it.

And you need to prove this point with something other than conjecture.

Do you have any evidence that a person who operates a niche porn site over a lifetime (keep in mind that to answer this question would involve predicting the future based on very little information, the internet is far from being accessed in every household in North America yet nearly every household could call a lawyer) will make less money than a lawyer over the same amount of time?

I think you're talking out of your ass.

Gives us some examples please. Also could you explain why you have the assumption that all lawyers make lots of money?

Do you really think a public defender who lives in a county with a relatively small, poor population makes more money than a person who makes specialized porn? Please justify your answer using examples.

Also, could you please tell me the average difference in yearly income between entertainment, divorce and maritime lawyers?

Please prove you know what you are talking about, because you have presented no reason to believe that having a law degree would be any better or worse than being a pornographer.

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 05:31 PM

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Hey Morning could we have some links to back up your assumptions please?

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if you really dont know which would be more lucrative and secure over a lifetime, a law degree or a niche porn website then I can only wish you the best of luck. Youre going to need it.

And you need to prove this point with something other than conjecture.

Do you have any evidence that a person who operates a niche porn over a lifetime will make less money than a lawyer over the same amount of time?

I think you're talking out of your ass.

Gives us some examples please. Also could you explain why you have the assumption that all lawyers make lots of money?

Do you really think a public defender who lives in a relatively a county with a relatively small, poor population makes more money than a person who makes specialized porn? Please justify your answer using examples.

Also, could you please tell me the average difference in yearly income between entertainment, divorce and maritime lawyers?

Please prove you know what you are talking about, because I suspect you have no idea.

Con, if you had a clue as to how bad the porn industry is hurting now, and how much worse it is going to get(and not just the porn industry) then you wouldnt be trying to insinuate that porn is a more lucrative career right now than being a lawyer.

Can you give us an example of how much a niche porn website like Dukes is making these days?

According to the U.S. Dept. of Labor, Burea of labor statistics, theaverage attorney makes 102,470 annualy.(may,2006) quote."In my 2006,the median annual earning of all wage-and-salaried lawyers were $102,470.00.

Con, can you please tell us why you have the assumption that all porners make alot of money?

Compared to how long MOST porn 'careers' last, as to how long a law degree lasts, well if you cant do the math then you got bigger problems to deal with than debating with someone on a porn chatboard about this.

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 05:37 PM

A law degree is also very nice to have on your resume and will open doors to other business opportunities. That porn site on your resume will not impress to many fortune 500 companies like a law degree will, dont you agree? The doors opened up to you with that law degree will get you alot farther than that porn resume. Some would even argue that the porn resume might even be detrimental to you ability to find employment elswnere.

Now con, please prove to us that you know what youre talking about, because I believe you have no idea.

Posted by: 99% Fiction

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 05:45 PM

Damn, Morning is one annoying bitch.

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 05:46 PM

conquistidor wrote;

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How long did it take you to notice that Sasha Grey is a twit?

About two seconds less than it took to notice you're a twit.

Posted by: Dick Dastardly

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 05:56 PM

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I've done about four or five scenes a month for the past several months to make extra cash(note 'extra' cash) to supplement my income.

Cool, so you're a hooker...ahem, provider, too?

Posted by: Chixter GVision

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 05:58 PM

Morning please do a FA scene to suppliment my porn intake.
I promise I will respect you in the Morning. <3

ps: do you have nice feet?

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 06:01 PM

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Morning, here are a few questions for you:
With all the time spent writing in here , however do you find time to shoot porn?
With all the time spent writing in here, do you realize that you have become what you accused the other members of being?
The bottom line is this: We are very jealous that you can do porn on the side, as extra income.
Why don't you man up, and reveal yourself? Let's see what kind of impact you have made in the business. Then, the people in the know on this board can make you cry like back in high school, when you were getting stuffed in lockers.
I am not a great poster but I can recognize an asshole and a pussy. They are very close to one another.
You , my friend, have garnered that award.
Do you do bukkake??

I will print my name here, and all my contact information right after you do. Put up or shut up. (legal andstage name)

Posted by: cqd

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 06:01 PM

This is the problem. Why would you compare a lawyer's salary to a number you don't even know?

What you are saying doesn't work because even you don't know if you're right.

Internet porn is in it's infancy and law has existed since nations. You have no way of knowing which will be more profitable in the long run because it hasn't happened.

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Can you give us an example of how much a niche porn website like Dukes is making these days?

According to the U.S. Dept. of Labor, Burea of labor statistics, theaverage attorney makes 102,470 annualy.(may,2006) quote."In my 2006,the median annual earning of all wage-and-salaried lawyers were $102,470.00.

Posted by: lance69

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 06:26 PM

You make a lot of assumptions morning... Duke and Red have been around for a very long time, (vice the 4 days you have known about) especially considering the relative short length of many online businesses. And they do well enough to be sure.
Also I wasn't inferring that "you" regretted what you do, but the fact you feel those who don't regret it must be lying about it and you are the only one with the balls enough to admit it. I just find that attitude to be very narcissistic which is an endearing quality in a disposable porn whore, in others, not so much.

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 07:17 PM

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Are you serious?
I have posted my pic here before and am crazy enough to put all my shit here.
And, how do we trust each other, you fucking faggot?
I wouldn't trust someone who is talking about the choice between law careers and porn when you only do it to make, ahem, extra income.
I would love to find out who you are, find your scenes, and email them to your"day job".
Are you "gay for pay",too?

I bet you are.

I will put up all my info, fag boy.
These people have seen my face before.
I don't give a fuck if someone knows my real name and contact info.
The thing is, if I had any tiny bit of info about you, I could find you out and exploit you for the bullshit mother fucker that you are.
And I would.

First of all im female, and wheres your info. Like I said bitch, put up or shut up. You said,"i will put up all my info" so where is it? Put up or shut up

And those empty keyboard warrior threats at the end of your post have me shaking in my boots. You couldnt show anyone I know anything they havent seen already.

I bet you are gay without the pay. Have you ever had a woman, or boy, that you didnt have to put cash up fromt for? doubt it.

My day job happens to be a small florist shop that I own. It was given to me by my parents when they retired. But times being the way they are, flowers are something that people can do without these days, kind of like porn.

Posted by: Vice Admiral

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 07:28 PM

Median income of $102,000 means half of all practising lawyers make less than $102,000 while half make more. Most of the ones who make more than the median are so-called "BigLaw" attorneys, where the associates make $160K to start, the junior partners $400-500K, and the senior partners well over a million each. Speaking as a lawyer in a smallish "BigLaw" practice, who makes considerably more than the median income (but still not really a "lot" of money, especially not in the Bay Area), but relatively less than most other junior partners in my position (due to all the "personal" time I take) I know that law can be a way to become affluent.

But it's by no means guaranteed. And to be honest with you, a lot of the money I earn through my work gets spent on drugs, sluts and whores. If I could make sluts and whores my job, I could easily get by on just $100K for the other expenses of my life.

I would probably advise a younger version of myself, with my obsessions, to man up and become a pornographer instead of living a secret life.

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 07:29 PM

Mr. Lance, I agree with alot of what yo say. Especially the taking responsibility aspect of your posts. I am the author of my own destiny. And to think all of this started because i voiced an opinion that a law degree would be better to have than a porn website(something like that).

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 07:36 PM

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Why I would I trust a quasi-porn whore to live up to her end of the bargain when it comes to info being put up?
Did you just come out of the woodwork because you figured most would bow at your feet if you insinuated that you are in the business.
Then give your stage name and I'll give mine. I'm as much a porn whore as you are.
Difference is, I don't have to take loads on my face for, ahem, EXTRA income.
Darrah, you are trying too hard to be under the radar. [/quo

You little fucking pussy. Just like I thought. Your previous post said,"Why dont you man up and reveal yourself?' So you little pussy, why dont you man up and reveal yourself. Just like I thought, another internet keyboard warrior, making emplty threats, and no balls. I never threatened anybody here. you did, you pussy. Now man up or shut up you little faggot.

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 07:48 PM

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Median income of $102,000 means half of all practising lawyers make less than $102,000 while half make more. Most of the ones who make more than the median are so-called "BigLaw" attorneys, where the associates make $160K to start, the junior partners $400-500K, and the senior partners well over a million each. Speaking as a lawyer is a smallish "BigLaw" practice, who makes considerably more than the median income (but still not really a "lot" of money, especially not in the Bay Area), but relatively less than most other junior partners in my position (due to all the "personal" time I take) I know that law can be a way to become affluent.

But it's by no means guaranteed. And to be honest with you, a lot of the money I earn through my work gets spent on drugs, sluts and whores. If I could make sluts and whores my job, I could easily get by on just $100K for the other expenses of my life.

I would probably advise a younger version of myself, with my obsessions, to man up and become a pornographer instead of living a secret life.

But like I said before, that law degree also opens up alot of other doors in the business world. Being a ponographer closes more doors than it opens. Sure some people make money in the adult industry. I'm using the adult industry to supplement my income, and I contro every aspect of whatI do in the industry. I'm just a part time whore, but a whore is a whore. My life isnt revolving around this industry. There are a number of people like me who use the industry as a means to an end, then there are others who get used bythe industry as a means to someone elses end. Most who fit into the latter category ae those with drug and abuse problems, and Ive met quite a few of them in my limited experience.

MR. Admiral, i agree, nothing is guarenteed. But you can improve your odds if you try.

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 08:13 PM

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John Sinlinlin
john@adulttalentmanagers.com
(818) 825-1239

Dam, you are one stupid mother fucker. What kind of idiot posts personal information on a porn industry chat board. You just got played by a stupid porn whore. How does that feel? I knew i would goad you into that . you dumbfucks are easier to play than tic tac toe. Now, what to do? the possibilities are endless. Men are so easy to play. We can get you guys to do anything we want. Your egos just cant handle it. And the factis, there is not a single thing yo can do about it.

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 08:22 PM

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Why I would I trust a quasi-porn whore to live up to her end of the bargain when it comes to info being put up?
Did you just come out of the woodwork because you figured most would bow at your feet if you insinuated that you are in the business.
Then give your stage name and I'll give mine. I'm as much a porn whore as you are.
Difference is, I don't have to take loads on my face for, ahem, EXTRA income.
Darrah, you are trying too hard to be under the radar.

And you did bow at my feet and you did exactly what I told you to do. All i had to do was challenge your manhood by calling you a pussy and you caved in. good boy!! now roll over and play dead.

Posted by: morning

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/06/09 10:47 PM

so whats my ip?

Posted by: Dick Dastardly

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/07/09 06:00 AM

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My day job happens to be a small florist shop that I own. It was given to me by my parents when they retired. But times being the way they are, flowers are something that people can do without these days, kind of like porn.

Maybe I'm late on the gun here, but what was that whore's name? Roxy Jezel?

Posted by: freestylah

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/07/09 04:11 PM

Eric:

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Maybe I'm late on the gun here, but what was that whore's name? Roxy Jezel?

That could very well be, Eric. Excellent memory!

Posted by: gia jordan

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/07/09 05:15 PM

Roxy's parents own it in London and Morning claims to be in the biz only 7 months.

Posted by: Dick Dastardly

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/07/09 05:38 PM

OK, busted.

Posted by: Coke banned by Monkey

Re: Question for Duke and Red - 03/07/09 05:40 PM

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That could very well be, Eric. Excellent memory!

Dale Carnegie tip of the day for boring losers trying to make people like them:

compliment every person you interact with!

Question for Duke and Red