got this over at avn. how they can stop an independant girl with a good rolodex and some solid connections is beyond me though. they gonna start breaking kneecaps teamster style?


LOS ANGELES - Eight licensed and bonded adult talent agencies have united to form the Adult Entertainment Agents Trade Association (AEATA).

According to a joint announcement released today, the purpose of the AEATA is "to pursue the mutual interest of the licensed agents."

AEATA's founding members are Jim South of World Modeling, Derek Hay of LA Direct Models, Joel Lawrence of Gold Star Modeling, September Dawn of A-List Talent, Lisa Ann of Lisa Ann's Talent Management, Kevin and Kelly Kline of Type 9 Models, Shy Love of Adult Talent Managers, and TJ DiReda and Kevin Applebaum of IT Models.

According to the AEATA statement, agencies that have obtained a license create "a more responsible, professional and legal adult entertainment industry." The AEATA stands ready to encourage and assist all unlicensed agents in their desire to become licensed.

The AEATA invites any unlicensed agent to an AEATA meeting at noon at Dec. 13 to provide proof of a submitted application to the state to demonstrate their desire to become licensed. Arrangements to attend this meeting can be made by calling any member agency. All those who attend and produce their submitted application will be given associate member status. Upon receiving their license from the state an associate member will be awarded full membership of the AEATA.

A website will be unveiled for the purpose of clarity and communication with regard to the association's members, rules and agenda. Members will be encouraged to privately post and communicate with regard to trouble they are incurring within the industry. This may include but is not limited to discussions on talent and producers suspected of booking around agency contracts, talent that moonlight at unlicensed agencies, and producers that don't follow through on payment for services rendered.

The licensed agents have agreed to respect each others contracts and feel it is imperative that their contracts be respected by the community. The AEATA will take great interest in the enforcement and long term viability of the licensed agent's contracts.

The AEATA looks forward to being a substantial and long-term contributor to the adult entertainment community.

yea sure ATM is professional and legal how they work

Maybe East LA

What do they say about escorting, the illegal kind?

But how can a a trade association get around privates?

trade association = legal

privates = illegal

Where does this leave Foxxx Modeling, and other firms?

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they just need to form the international sex workers guild...i am sure that the AFL-CIO would be interested in that racket.

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Of course they would. After all, those annual conventions tend to get rather lonely without the company of a good whore!

...always a money-grubbing whore.

As if any of the people involved in this "trade association" have the business sense or knowledge to form a real trade association. This is the funniest thing I've heard since Jill Kelly stated that she "didnt know what the 'non-compete' portion" of her contract meant. These guys couldnt run a lemondade stand on a street corner let alone a trade association based on the notion that they can sign exclusive contracts for people to perform sex acts. (without condoms or any other protection.) Only in porn.

more complaints from whiny content producers bastards....god just shut up and pay already.....contribute to an impoverished economy.....their suitcase pimps need their fix.....and if she want a little its double anal in the future, babe...my magic 8 ball has spoken!


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La Direct Talking About a "Porn Union"

Posted on www.ladirectnews.com: Now that we are fast approaching 2009, the adult entertainment industry is starting to show possible signs of faultier. We already know that the industry in general is shrinking and consumers are tightening the purse strings around their little money bags. Reports that various agencies have been slow maybe some what over exaggerated. Yes it is slower but no slower that it normally is this time of year.

The problem the industry is facing is a decline in production. Costs have gone up forcing many newer companies to shoot less. Of course many other factors are involved with the ever increasing number of girls into the business and other issues such as cancellations (which incidentally cost production companies money) or fees increasing to above $1000.

But the truth is, has the golden age of porn ended? Since the departure of Jenna Jamerson, many do not realize that she kept the industry in the lime light. But now with her back to the industry and the negativity felt towards the business in general, the public simply are not longer interested. You may sit and think that how can one person impact the industry and what has it got to do with anything? Well, look back at when she became the biggest thing in porn 2-3 years ago when every company was booming away.

The key now to success largely draws down to quality. No longer can random Joe and or Joesphine (have to be PC) just build a porno site and expect millions. We now have to work for our money. As history shows in any genre, the weak perish will the strong survive. Evident only in today’s stock market alone.

We need to start getting picky with what we are doing and who we are trying to impress. Remember, it’s not raving reviews or a popularity contest in the porn biz that makes you money. It’s the public’s perception that chooses what works and what doesn’t work. Just cause someone says it is the greatest movie ever made does not make it the best selling.

The adult industry needs to pull together to survive this. The industry, at its current point, is too disorganized and separated into too many pieces with everyone fighting for the same piece of pie. Mainstream films have never done so well this year celebrating some of the biggest box office takings world wide. Are they affected by the shrinkage or the economical down turn? The box office would certainly disagree. A lesson to some extent to be learnt here is that movie business is unified in some way. Could their ever be a Porn Union of some description one day? It’s not impossible.

So as we move into 2009, don’t just sit there are wait for the next big thing and ride off that wave. It may never come unless WE do something.

The armed forces get the gullible 18 yr old boys. Porn recruits the 18 yr old female "ground pounders". How could you not realize this?.

4 letters for both of you. GTFO

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I've often wondered if lifting the age to do porn to 21 would actually be a blessing for the industry.

fewer girls = more money for those who remain.

Fewer girls might mean fewer companies and less content, which might reduce the glut of adult product out there.

Everyone would hate such a rule or law, but I think it would actually increase profitability.

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I've always thought it should be 21. You don't see droves of 18 year old boys going out there. It's usually the girls. And many leave in a matter of months. The industry should stick with the veterans and the ones who know for sure what they want in their career. Not a girl who just wants quick cash and leaves. There are plenty of 20+ year olds that can fill in for the barely legal titles that still look like teens.

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I love this. The girls are the only ones not covered or protected in this Biz and everyone else needs a union. Yeah right!!

I'm all for unionizing the girls. Hey, I'm from Detroit, what can I say!!

If the agents would stop the high school stuff and really work for their clients . . . ummmmm that is the girls, ya know!! We always hear the same new talent talk. "We're here to work for you blah, blah, blah." All the girls laugh about it once they've been here and see the truth. There's no such thing as real career planning and management of these girls. Most agents stick your pics on a website, wait for a company to see them and pick you and they call that working for you.

Jim's straight up, no politics and no suck/fuck policy. That's the best girls can hope to get from their agents here. Sad but true.

I thought this was for agents to fix the whole pay thing that got fucked up with agency and referral fees. That's what everyone but agents will tell you started the rate issues.

That and getting the producers who are not paying to pay up or don't get anymore girls to shoot. I mean, if a company ain't paying when and what they agreed to, why do agents still send girls to them. They should be blacklisted until they can pay.

Girls wouldn't go around agents if they were getting them work fair and square. Stick to the real problems and this could do some good. The problem ain't the girls trying to pay their bills since their agents ain't getting them booked. It might have more to do with the underbelly deals of trading girls/sex for work that skews the scales against the good agents and good talent.

Desi, don't blame the agents for not getting girls enough work. A lot of it has to do with the girl's looks, marketability, length of time in the industry, reputation, etc. A girl's expiration date come up quicker these days due to the expanding talent pool and market's desire for for fresh faces to compete with other companies. But let's face it, looks and newness are key.

I just realized...

Only on XPT can one discuss the finer points of a mother making the world a better place so her daughter can lead a fruitful life fucking on film.

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...Jim's straight up, no politics and no suck/fuck policy. That's the best girls can hope to get from their agents here. Sad but true.

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What's up with kissing Jim's ass so shamelessly in two seperate threads? Elli needed a father figure?

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She's trying to switch agencies, but allegedly is being held to her 2-year contract by said agent; and her legal advisor doesn't seem inclined to assist because the agent is also a client of his.

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Eric, if you are going to post something like this, at least get your facts correct...

(1) Your "local girl" has been in the industry for more than a year so she isnt a newbie fresh off the bus.

(2) She tried before to get out of her contract and apparently she was told no.

(3) She isnt a client of mine, she hasnt even called me to ask for my help.

(4) No one is working right now..

If any 'contract' requires either party to do sonething illegal, that contract in NOT VALID. Any 'agent' who procures work that he knows requires eihter party to violate ANY law will lose in any court if the performer want to void the contract with the agent who is procuring 'illegal' work for the performer.(when an agent books a non condom scene in violation of OSHA blood borne pathogen standards.....(See the brooke ashley case)

And if the lawyer youre getting your info from also represents agents and producers, do yourself a favor and get a new lawyer. The VAST majority of agent/performer contracts(in the adult biz) are not worth the paper they are printed on, and if any industry lawyer tries to tell you otherwise, do yourself a favor and get another lawyer. If an agent or producer recommends a lawyer, do yourself a favor and get another lawyer.

Industry lawyer example...Don Hollywood recommends that talent NOT report unsafe work conditions becuase it would "most probably" result in fines being levied against those being reported. He admiths that what the producers are doing is illegal, but you the stupiid talent should keep your mouth shut if you want to get work.
Question for Pornlaw...Should this be reported to the ethics committee or the bar association?(Adultfyi article..."ron miller weighs in on cal osha la county health investigation of an std complaint)

And no, I am not alwayer, but i do own a holiday inn resort.

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As posted on XBiz.com on Saturday, January 24, 2009
by: Michael Fattorosi

There has been much debate recently as to the role talent agents play in the adult entertainment industry.

In November 2008, seven California-based licensed and bonded talent agencies came together and formed the Adult Entertainment Agents Trade Association. The mere fact that the “legal” talent agents have joined to form a trade association has caused a stir amongst numerous producers and performers alike. There has been much discussion as to talent rates and fear that the association will result in price fixing. This article will address the legal ramifications of what role an agent has and what this means to producers and performers.

First off, one must define what a talent agent is. Many in the industry try to blur the line between agents and managers. An agent is a person that secures employment for a performer. A manager is just that — he or she manages a performer’s career — but cannot legally secure employment for their client.

In order for an agent to be “legal” that agent must be licensed and bonded by the state of California. Labor Code section 1700 et al., is the pertinent law in regards to the licensing of talent agents. If an agent is not licensed and bonded, he or she is operating illegally and cannot collect fees from the performers they represent. Moreover, any performer that has paid fees to an unlicensed agent can file a claim with the Division of Labor Standards and Enforcement and receive a complete refund on fees paid to that agent.

A licensed and bonded agent can collect up to a 20 percent fee of the work secured by their agent. An agent cannot collect more than 20 percent as the California Labor Code legally caps this.

What about talent rates? Talent should determine their own rates. Rates cannot be set across the industry by the agents. Doing so can appear to be collusion and price fixing. Rate fixing can result in legal action by producers and can violate antitrust as well as unfair competition laws. Free market conditions should also help determine talent rates.

TALENT AGENCY CONTRACTS: WHAT DO THEY MEAN?
Often performers want to change agents and try to further their careers. What can a performer do in case they want to break their contract with their agent? The best answer is to have a lawyer review the contract before signing it so that the performer can understand what the contract means. All licensed and bonded agents in California use the same contract. Also, all agent contracts in California must be approved by the Division of Labor Standards and Enforcement (DLSE). If an agent is not using an approved contract, that contract cannot be enforced and can be voided by the performer.

Also, if an agent alters the DLSE-approved contract in any way and does not have their new version approved by the DLSE, again it usually can be legally challenged by the performer and determined to be unenforceable. If a performer wants to challenge the legal sufficiency of an agent’s contract, that performer would have to file a Petition to Determine Controversy with the Labor Commissioner’s Office. If declared void, not only will that performer be able to get out of their contract, they will also be awarded a refund of any fees paid to the agent for the year prior to the filing of the petition.

CAN A PERFORMER HAVE TWO AGENTS?
There is an exclusivity clause in the standard contract that states that the performer must remain exclusive to that agent for up to one year if that agent is indeed booking the performer work. If an agent books a performer at least once every four months, then that performer has to be exclusive to that agent. If the agent is not securing work for their client, then a performer can get out of their contract and switch agencies. Obviously, one scene every four months is certainly not enough work to earn a living on. What to do then?

There is no case law on point, but there is nothing that indicates that a performer cannot secure her own employment. California is a right to work state and case law in regards to non-compete clauses state that restrictions on employment are usually not enforceable in California courts. Therefore, it would make sense that if a performer wants, they could seek out their own scenes. However, that performer may still owe a fee to the agent that is representing with him or her.

However, what if a producer tries to hire a performer directly without the first contact being initiated by the performer? In that case the performer should honor their contract with their agent and request that producer book the scene through her agent. If a producer tries to “book around an agent” and knowingly does so, that can be actionable by the agent. It is something referred to as tortuous interference with a business relation. That can result in a civil lawsuit being filed by the agent against the producer.

In short, if an agent is not finding a performer enough work, he or she can find it on his or her own. However, it is recommended that the performer pay the agent no matter how they find the work. If a producer contacts a performer in order to book a scene directly, that performer should refer the producer to her agent to book the scene.

Producers are regularly charging performers kill fees in case the performer does not perform as required by the producer. Kill fees are a legally confusing situation. If a performer flakes on a shoot, the producer will suffer damages. A kill fee is a contract term between the producer and the performer, not between the agent and the performer.

Kill fees cannot be used by an agent to punish a performer for not performing the scene. Also, a kill fee cannot be charged to a performer unless they understood before accepting the job offer that a kill fee is part of the contract for taking the job. A performer can instruct their agent not to book them for any producers that require kill fees. Also, a performer should request all information pertaining to kill fees prior to accepting any scene and that information should be in writing.

If an agent attempts to charge a performer a kill fee without having the performer accept the kill fee as a term of that employment, the agent would be violating their duty to the performer and that performer could file a Petition to Determine Controversy to have any charged kill fees refunded as well as possibly challenging the underlying contract with the agent. Thus, agents charge a kill fee at their own peril.

In conclusion, it should be noted that an agent works for the performer and should be conducting business in a way that is in the best interest of his client. Often this is forgotten and at times it seems like the talent is working for the agent. Producers need to realize that the contracts used by talent agents are valid and do carry weight in court since they are approved by the state of California.

Lastly, talent, agents and producers should work together in determining how content will be produced and for what rate. No one’s interests are served if there is an ongoing dispute regarding the creation of content in the industry.

Michael Fattorosi is the founder and managing partner of Fattorosi & Associates, a full service boutique law firm in Woodland Hills, Calif. Areas of practice include adult entertainment law, music law, business litigation, employment litigation and intellectual property.

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Now this only applies to legal CALIFORNIA Agencies...


What about the pseudo agencies operating in FLORIDA?

Wow, thanks for the great info. Clarifies a lot and does show us girls have a few rights already in place.

And Gia, I'm so sick of hearing about looks being a big part of who gets the work here. Yes, you need a decent canvas to start with. But the rest is all smoke and mirrors. This forum alone is full of girl's good pics and bad pics. Many times they don't even look like the same person. They pick the girls they can control and use. The rest is in the makeup, lighting and editing. They can portray you any way they want. They promote the girls they can control and get the most out of. The girl gets more work but at what cost. The agents and girls that don't subscribe to that, lose out. Competition's one thing but what some do here is illegal and hurts the industry as a whole.

This is a real business now. It's time the porn world started living by the same rules the rest of the world has to and this group should be working toward that. You can't hand work out based on who will suck and fuck to get it. It's 2009, that's sexual discrimination and harrassment. That's part of why the Biz suffers.

The day of the dark side of porn is over. Porn is out in the open and people know behind the scenes. They want it done right and they want the girls treated fairly. The customers are here for the girls, they don't give a shit about the companies that provides them for their enjoyment. Or the agents for that matter. If the rights of the girls were handled here, the rest would automatically have to follow suit.

You know, it's the old adage, one bad apple can spoil the whole bushel. The actions of a few can and do cost us all!!!

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Guess who that rotten apple is?

Sorry, one last thing Gia, not trying to pick on you but you do know the ropes.

The reason why they move onto new, fresh faces is the newbies, the 18-19 year olds who are easy to manipulate and don't know the ropes. Again, they can market whatever they want, there's pix everywhere that prove it every day. They build them up and they can knock them down!!

http://www.latata.org/


Big Money!!!

So, does anyone know how far along the union plans are? Sounds like a pretty good scam for Joel and Derek. Make the pw's also pay union dues along with their percentage for booking the talent.

Why is nobody talking about the union they are trying to form, and make themselves the president, vice president, and other LATATA memebers as the Board of Directors?

Just for laughs....VIVID donated 2500.oo dollars at their first fundraise. If VIVID was a ONE million dollar company that would be a donation of 1/4 of one percent. Kind of shows how much they really care about the current situation. What is the percentage if theyare a 100million dollar company. And the porn industry considers this fundraiser a success.(lol) Grade schools earn more selling chocolate bars. All these multimillion dollar companies and they come up with a total of about 24,000dollars. What a fucking joke!!

Youre going to need alot more than that to form your union derek. Does this mean Latata will only book perfromers with other perfromers represented by LATATA memebers, oops, or are we not supposed to talk about that yet?

So why not....create a-

International Brotherhood of Teamsters

Or

AFL-CIO

then they can have a "pension plan"...make their own casino in Vegas.....provide the high rollers with comp pw's.....and host the AVN's there.....with that in mind they could let the fanbois in for a 90 minute tour....then lock it down to whoever has passes.....it the easiest play in the world.....give 'em a taste and they will sell their ass to see more!


now totally in reality it could be the start of a good thing being if they could ever find someone to be the accountant of such an endeavor you could actually come up with some sort of war chest....and create a PAC...imagine lobbyists on capitol hill pushing through pro porn legislation.


it naturally is a great pipe dream....