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#369273 - 10/23/08 02:55 PM
mike barbella
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Stormy's Lawyer
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According to Gene Ross Mike Barbella has been arrested on child porn charges.
Perhaps he can get Lou Sirkin to defend him.
Lou Sirkin, the beloved first ammendment attorney is currently defending the operators of "WEBE WEB'.
Webe Web is a group of websites under the banner CHILDSUPERMODELS.COM. These pay sites feature gils as young as seven and eight years old, dressed in lingere, stockings, high heels, bikinis,etc., in provacative poses. While these sites do not contain nudity there is no doubt that this is the sexual expoloitation of children. Lou Sirkin says..."The images are open to interpetation."
Is it good for this industry to have one of its most well known attorneys defending the sexual exploitation of children?
And why has NO other adult "newsite' ever mentioned that the beloved Mr. Sirkin is defending these scumbags who sexually expoit CHILDREN. I thought this industry was all against the sexual expoitaion of children.
Good luck Mr. Barbella. If youre guilty may you rot in hell.
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#369275 - 10/23/08 03:07 PM
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According to Gene Ross Mike Barbella has been arrested on child porn charges.
Who? 
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Is it good for this industry to have one of its most well known attorneys defending the sexual exploitation of children?
Lou Sirkin gotta eat.
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#369276 - 10/23/08 03:15 PM
Re: mike barbella
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Stormy's Lawyer
Registered: 10/23/08
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Pornlaw,
Yours was the response I was hoping to see. Glad to hear that you had the "wisdom," for lack of a better term, to turn down that client. Yes, everyone has the right to an attorney,but like you stated, that doesn not mean that any attorney has to take any case.
In my opinion it is a travestry that one of the ADULT industies best known attorneys decided to defend the sexual exploitation of children.
How many adult companies will refuse to work with Mr. Sirkin in the future? Would you, as a producer of ADULT content, want someone known for defending the sexual expoitation of children as your attorney?
And again, why has no other newsite reported this? No need to answer. It is because ther are NO real journalists in porn, andnone of you even knew about this. Now that you do know, will anyone step forward and call out Mr. Sirkin regarding the client HE CHOOSES to defend?
Isnt Mr. Sirkin one of John Staglianos atorneys?
When it comes to the sexual expoitation of children, actions speak much more loudly than words. Will the adult industry take ACTION, and blackball this attorney who defends the sexual exploitation of children?
Edited by bingoo (10/23/08 03:24 PM)
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#369278 - 10/23/08 03:22 PM
Re: mike barbella
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"In my opinion it is a travestry that one of the ADULT industies best known attorneys decided to defend the sexual exploitation of children."
You really have no idea what you are talking about, have you? I'm still having burned retinas from being confronted with this much stupidity.
Sirkin is NOT defending 'the sexual exploitation of children'. He's defending an accused person, not a set of ideas or behaviour or a system.
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#369279 - 10/23/08 03:22 PM
Re: mike barbella
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Okay. Here's the story Gene posted:
Mike Barbella Arrested on Kiddie Porn Charges
--Gene Ross
Porn Valley- Because it's the story making the rounds in the adult business today, it's got to be reported. Former adult industry salesman Mike Barbella was arrested by LAPD this week on kiddie porn charges.
Whether Barbella was operating sites, taking pictures with underage children or communicating with law enforcement posing as minors is not clear. But Barbella was taken into custody earlier this week. More as the story develops.
Throughout his controversial career Barbella has worked for at least a dozen adult studios at one time or another in a sales capacity.
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First of all, not even Gene knows what exactly this guy's been charged with. Nor is there any mention of Sirkin, Michael, Sonny Probono or any other attorney in that post. Which leads me to ask:
Who is this "bingoo" dude, and why does he hate the other schmuck (pictured) so much that he's trying to scare off the consel of his choice?
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#369280 - 10/23/08 03:32 PM
Re: mike barbella
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Stormy's Lawyer
Registered: 10/23/08
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Jim,
I was merely using the related topic of Mr. Barbellas arrest on child porn charges to bring to light the fact that Mr. Sirkin is defending someone accused of the sexual expoitation of children.. Yes everyone has the right to an attorney, but I find it appalling that one of the best known ADULT industry attorneys would CHOOSE to take a case defending someone who sexually expoits children.
I think Mr. Sirkin should have done the same thing 'pornlaw' did, and refuse to take the case.
I am merely asking the question, do you think it is good for the adult industry to have one of its most famous attorneys defending someone charged with the sexual exloitaion of childreN? And if you've ever seen these sites there is NO DOUBT that these childre(7,8,9 years old) are being sexually expoited for PROFIT.
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#369281 - 10/23/08 03:41 PM
Who The Fuck Is "Bingoo???"
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Jim,
I was merely using the related topic of Mr. Barbellas arrest on child porn charges to bring to light the fact that Mr. Sirkin is defending someone accused of the sexual expoitation of children...
I see.
So Sirkin isn't defending this guy, despite what you've led half the board (and, apparantly Gene Himself) to believe?
Okay, then let me rephrase the question: Who the fuck are you, and why the Sirkin witch hunt?
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#369282 - 10/23/08 03:49 PM
Re: Who The Fuck Is "Bingoo???"
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Stormy's Lawyer
Registered: 10/23/08
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Jimb., whoever you are.
What the fuck are you talking about.I merely bought up the fact that Lou Sirkin is defending the operators of a site called CHILDSUPERMODELS.com. NOWHERE did I ever say that Sirkin is defending Barbella.
Dont you think that in the future, the fact that a famous ADULT industry lawyer is defending someone accused of child expoitation, will come back to bite the industry?
Do you think it will help John Stagliano that one of his attorneys is defending the operators of CHILDSUPERMODLES.com?
If Mr. Sirkin is NOT one of staglianos attorneys i offer my aplogies to bothe John and Trish. If he is, I would suggest you dump him.
And Jim, WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?
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#369283 - 10/23/08 03:55 PM
Re: Who The Fuck Is "Bingoo???"
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Stormy's Lawyer
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To answer your questions
1. I am just an average porn fan like you
2. NO witch hunt going on here. Just stating the FACT that Mr. Sirkin is defending this guy. It is nothing more than a true statement. Why does the truth bother you so much?
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#369284 - 10/23/08 03:58 PM
Re: Who The Fuck Is "Bingoo???"
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Stormy's Lawyer
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Jim,
I was merely using the related topic of Mr. Barbellas arrest on child porn charges to bring to light the fact that Mr. Sirkin is defending someone accused of the sexual expoitation of children...
I see.
So Sirkin isn't defending this guy, despite what you've led half the board (and, apparantly Gene Himself) to believe?
Okay, then let me rephrase the question: Who the fuck are you, and why the Sirkin witch hunt?
Please show me where i ever made any reference to Sirkin representing barbella. And how did I lead Gene to believe anything. I made this post after reading the article on Adultfyi. You make very little sense Jim, and your attacks are very suspicious. What is your agenda?
Edited by bingoo (10/23/08 04:03 PM)
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#369285 - 10/23/08 04:14 PM
Re: Who The Fuck Is "Bingoo???"
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Stormy's Lawyer
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To whom it may concern,
Before this gets out of hand I wish to state for the record that Lou Sirkin is a very acomplished and respected attorney. His defense of the first ammendment is nothing to make light of.
It is my opinion that he sould have not taken this client. It does the adult industry no favors to have one of its most famous attorney defend someone who creates this type of content and sells it for profit. And I would like tho think that Mr. Sirkin himself would defend my right to voice my opinion on this subject.
Mr. Sirkin is a great attorney, I think he made an error in judgement by taking this case. I think, in the court of public opinion, this will be used by those who fight the legit ADULT industry in the future.
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#369286 - 10/23/08 04:26 PM
Re: mike barbella
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#369287 - 10/23/08 04:36 PM
Re: Who The Fuck Is "Bingoo???"
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Wow. EPIC FAIL.
Indeed.
"Agenda?" I think "Bingoo" doeth protest too much. He can't even get his story straight within two consecutive posts, just six minutes apart:
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NOWHERE did I ever say that Sirkin is defending Barbella.
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Just stating the FACT that Mr. Sirkin is defending this guy.
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#369288 - 10/23/08 04:44 PM
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#369289 - 10/23/08 04:58 PM
Re: Who The Fuck Is "Bingoo???"
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Stormy's Lawyer
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Wow. EPIC FAIL.
Indeed.
"Agenda?" I think "Bingoo" doeth protest too much. He can't even get his story straight within two consecutive posts, just six minutes apart:
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NOWHERE did I ever say that Sirkin is defending Barbella.
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Just stating the FACT that Mr. Sirkin is defending this guy.
Mr. Jim
Youre really grasping at straws.. Anyone who reads the line you quoted above knows that I was referring to the owneres of Childsupermodels, NOT barbella.(or coudnt you figure that out without someone having to walk you through it step by step) Why are you trying to make this personal? Why cant you just debate the topic?
My story is perfectly straight. LousSirkin is defending the owners of CHILDSUPERMODELS.com.
WHO IS JIMB? WHY IS HE SUCH A DIPSHIT? WHY CANT HE ACCEPT THE FACT THAT OHTER PEOPLE KNOW MORE THAN HE DOES? WHY DOES IT UPSET HIM SO MUCH?
Why did Jim take two lines form seperate posts and try to put them together to in a feeble attempt to make his point?
And just to let you know Jim, this is just the beginning. Theres much more to come!!!!!!!!!!!
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#369291 - 10/23/08 05:01 PM
Re: Who The Fuck Is "Bingoo???"
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Stormy's Lawyer
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To answer my own question, I think "Bingoo" is a Gay Phlebotomist.
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#369292 - 10/23/08 05:04 PM
Re: Who The Fuck Is "Bingoo???"
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Come on, Scottie: The shrill tone. The hysterical screaming in ALL CAPS. The "I'm smarter than you and everybody else on this site" attitude.
Does "Mitch" know what you're up to?
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#369293 - 10/23/08 05:17 PM
Re: Who The Fuck Is "Bingoo???"
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Stormy's Lawyer
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Come on, Scottie: The shrill tone. The hysterical screaming in ALL CAPS. The "I'm smarter than you and everybody else on this site" attitude.
Does "Mitch" know what you're up to?
What are you babbling about now? I am not the person you have identified me as being. Why the personal attacks? Can there ever be a rational discussion here without it turning into a personal battle?
Again, I am not 'Scottie.'
p.s. I just called AIM. Scottie has been at work all day drawing blood during the entire time that this exchange has taken place.
Even though it is not my fault, I aplogize to anybody that is mistakenly identified as being 'me.'
thank you Jim for hijacking what could have been a very insightful discussion about the politics of the adult industry, and turned it into a personal grudge match.
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#369295 - 10/23/08 05:27 PM
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I am just an average porn fan like you
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I just called AIM. Scottie has been at work all day drawing blood during the entire time that this exchange has taken place.
And how many "average porn fans" not only have the number to AIM, but have the kind of clout where they can call up out of the blue and obtain someone's work schedule?
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#369296 - 10/23/08 05:38 PM
Re: mike barbella
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 01/01/06
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When it comes to the sexual expoitation of children, actions speak much more loudly than words. Will the adult industry take ACTION, and blackball this attorney who defends the sexual exploitation of children?
Whom an attorney takes or doesnt take on as a client is a personal/business decision, not a political one, absent a legal conflict of interest.
I would never fault Mr. Sirkin for choosing to defend anyone, even an accused producer of CP. And in no way should anyone blackball him or refuse to hire him. Lou Sirkin is one of this century's foremost First Amendment constitutional attorneys. He should be afforded the utmost respect. He has earned it.
I chose not to take the case based upon the fear of exactly what you are doing now -- villifying a member of the Bar for a difficult choice he made in defending someone that for the most part society abhors.
The case that was presented to me already made national news. I was about to cast my firm, on a national level, in its first high profile case, as one that defends CP. That was a business decision that did not make sense.
It was not a personal one. I will never moralize my clients.
Sorry I cannot support your position.
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#369297 - 10/23/08 05:40 PM
Re: Who The Fuck Is "Bingoo???"
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Stormy's Lawyer
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I am just an average porn fan like you
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I just called AIM. Scottie has been at work all day drawing blood during the entire time that this exchange has taken place.
I, like many other 'average porn fans" know how to use a phonebook. AIMs number is also on their website. I merely called and asked if sc.... was there today. When the girl said "hold on, i'll get him' I came to the conclusion that he was there.
Now can we get back to the subject at hand?
And how many "average porn fans" not only have the number to AIM, but have the kind of clout where they can call up out of the blue and obtain someone's work schedule?
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#369298 - 10/23/08 05:53 PM
Re: Who The Fuck Is "Bingoo???"
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I came to the conclusion...
Just like you wanted others to come to the conclusion that Sirkin was defending Barbarella by starting this thread (which really has nothing to do with the guy, does it?) saying "Perhaps he can get Lou Sirkin to defend him" in the second sentence and not correcting the record until you got called on it.
Sorry. I don't buy it. You simply protest too much.
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#369299 - 10/23/08 05:56 PM
Re: mike barbella
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Stormy's Lawyer
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When it comes to the sexual expoitation of children, actions speak much more loudly than words. Will the adult industry take ACTION, and blackball this attorney who defends the sexual exploitation of children?
Whom an attorney takes or doesnt take on as a client is a personal/business decision, not a political one, absent a legal conflict of interest.
I would never fault Mr. Sirkin for choosing to defend anyone, even an accused producer of CP. And in no way should anyone blackball him or refuse to hire him. Lou Sirkin is one of this century's foremost First Amendment constitutional attorneys. He should be afforded the utmost respect. He has earned it.
I chose not to take the case based upon the fear of exactly what you are doing now -- villifying a member of the Bar for a difficult choice he made in defending someone that for the most part society abhors.
The case that was presented to me already made national news. I was about to cast my firm, on a national level, in its first high profile case, as one that defends CP. That was a business decision that did not make sense.
It was not a personal one. I will never moralize my clients.
Sorry I cannot support your position.
Points well taken, thank you for your insight.
As I pointed out earlier, Mr. Sirkins decision to defend this case will, in my opinion, cast as shadow over future cases. There are some things that are just wrong and CP and the sexual expoitation of children is one of them.
Mr. Sirkin is a great attorney, but as any attorney knows you have to ;ick your battles. I do not think this is a battle for one of the most noted ADULT biz attorneys. I think it will lessen his effectiveness, especially in the court of public opinion, which as we all know is very powerful. Then next time he has a high profile ADULT industry case I can see the news reports about the attorney who defended CHILDSUPERMODELS. It does the industry no favors for him to have taken this case. It gives the anti-porn whackos a good piece of ammunition to use against the industry.
And i agree with you about it being a buisness decision regarding which clients to take. In my opinion, this was a bad buisiness decision, that will come back to haunt not only Mr. Sirkin, but the entire industry as well.
Thank you for your insight pornlaw.
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#369300 - 10/23/08 06:01 PM
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Stormy's Lawyer
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I came to the conclusion...
Just like you wanted others to come to the conclusion that Sirkin was defending Barbarella by starting this thread (which really has nothing to do with the guy, does it?) saying "Perhaps he can get Lou Sirkin to defend him" in the second sentence and not correcting the record until you got called on it.
Sorry. I don't buy it. You simply protest too much.
I see your point Jim.... I was going to post this yesterday when I read the Wankus article on genes site regarding CP. Like they do on news programs, I was just trying to use the Barbella story as a "lead in" to my post about Mr. Sirkin.
So, now that we have cleared that up, what do you think of Sirkins ecision to take the CHILDSUPERMODELS case?
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#369301 - 10/23/08 06:04 PM
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Why would anyone give a shit about the fact it is possible to pay a lawyer to defend a scumbag? Were you born yesterday?
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#369302 - 10/23/08 06:04 PM
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So, now that we have cleared that up, what do you think of Sirkins ecision to take the CHILDSUPERMODELS case?
Lou Sirkin gotta eat.
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#369303 - 10/23/08 06:12 PM
Re: Who The Fuck Is "Bingoo???"
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Stormy's Lawyer
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So, now that we have cleared that up, what do you think of Sirkins ecision to take the CHILDSUPERMODELS case?
Lou Sirkin gotta eat.
Jim, thanks for the pm.
And now I will officially agree with Jim..Lou Sirkin's gotta eat. guess it always boils down the the lowest common denominator...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I hope youre not mad that I agree with you on that Jim, I'd hate to damage your reputaion...Just kidding, again thanks for the pm.
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#369304 - 10/23/08 06:18 PM
Re: Who The Fuck Is "Bingoo???"
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Well, you PMed me. It would be rude to leave you hanging. (Not that I've never been rude on this board.)
I do think you're making too much of this, though. No judge is going to allow the Government to make the inference to a jury that because one of Sirkin's clients was an alleged Child Pornographer that they're all Child Pornographers. That would practically guarantee reversal.
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#369305 - 10/23/08 06:34 PM
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Stormy's Lawyer
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Well, you PMed me. It would be rude to leave you hanging. (Not that I've never been rude on this board.)
I do think you're making too much of this, though. No judge is going to allow the Government to make the inference to a jury that because one of Sirkin's clients was an alleged Child Pornographer that they're all Child Pornographers. That would practically guarantee reversal.
I AGREE....But I think the real damage will be done in the 'court of public opinion." Right or wrong, the ammunition that this gives that anti-porn whackos cant be denied.
It makes the adult industy's battle to be SEPERATED form CP that much more difficult. When the same lawyer who defends MaxHardocre's content, or staglianos content, turns around and defends the content of Childsupermodels........It just aint right.
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#369306 - 10/23/08 06:43 PM
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See, that's the thing. The only people who are going to pay attention are the wackos: The Lubbens; the Dobsons, et al. Any venireperson who actually followed Sirkin's clientelle that closely would almost certainly be challenged, and for good cause. And, in the end, it's really only the jury's opinion that matters.
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#369307 - 10/23/08 07:04 PM
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Bing, PLEASE stop SWITCHING from CAPS to REGULAR. You ARE making ME sea-SICK....
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#369308 - 10/23/08 07:09 PM
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I want to make one point clear......Childsupermodels.com has no nudity, and has not been called "child porn." It has individual 'Model Sites' with sets of the models in provocative clothing and poses. It would not take any sane person more than five seconds to come to the conclusion that these sites are sexually exploiting these children, even though they have 'parental consent.' The photos speak for themselves and their message is crystal clear. they also offer 'videos' of the "modleing" sessions, and some of the sites make the offer to 'hire' the models for private sessions.
There is the old obscenity line...."I dont know how to define it but i know it when I see it." Take one look at these sites and you will know that you are looking at the sexual exploitation of children. I just have a bad feeling that Mr. Sirkins decision to defend this content will come back to bite the adult industry. Yes, everyone is entitled to legal representation, but Mr. Sirkin should have used better judgement than to take on this case.
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#369309 - 10/23/08 07:14 PM
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Stormy's Lawyer
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Bing, PLEASE stop SWITCHING from CAPS to REGULAR. You ARE making ME sea-SICK....
Hey tatty,
It appears to me that in the max defense fund thread that you will be donating to max;s defense. How does it feel to give money to a lawyer who is defending CHILDSUPERMODELS.com? Hope you sleep well tonight.
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#369310 - 10/23/08 07:18 PM
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I want to make one point clear......Childsupermodels.com has no nudity, and has not been called "child porn." It has individual 'Model Sites' with sets of the models in provocative clothing and poses. It would not take any sane person more than five seconds to come to the conclusion that these sites are sexually exploiting these children, even though they have 'parental consent.' The photos speak for themselves and their message is crystal clear. they also offer 'videos' of the "modleing" sessions, and some of the sites make the offer to 'hire' the models for private sessions.
So which statutes are they alleged to have violated?
And before we fall into the perennial trap of misquoting Potter Stuart, the exact quote is "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that. " Jacobellis v. Ohio, 378 U.S. 184
And, FWIW, the "motion picture involved" wasn't even a porno.
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#369311 - 10/23/08 08:07 PM
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Stormy's Lawyer
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So which statutes are they alleged to have violated?
Type "webe web prosecution" in your google search. You will get tons of articles about the case.
One article states....A federal grand jury in Birmingham,Ala. has indicted two Florida men and a Web site corporation of charges of conspiring to use minors to engage in sexually explicit conduct for the purpose of producing visual depitctions and with knowingly transporting in interstate commmerce visual depictions of minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct......
the 80 count indictment charges Marc Evan Greenberg, jeffry robert Libman and Webe Web Corp......
A third person,a photogapher named Pierson was charged seperately with conspiracy to transport child pornography across state lines using a computer...He is also charged with using the mail to send the photos.
These are descriptions of the charges, I do not know the exact penal codes they are charged with.
If you feel the need to see any of the material in question you can go to piratebay.org and put "webe" in the search box. You can see samples of the material there. And the samples are not the most explicit of the material that was on the websites but even these "tame' samples go way beyond the line of sexual exploitaion.
I would also think that the torrent sites that have these galleries would be very wise to get rid of this content.
Now I realize that I just suggested you look at material that has been classified as child exploitation...I see how this is wrong, but it is there if you want to see what all the fuss is about, and make up your own mind. Also, if you have a problem with me posting these directions just remember, Lou Sirkin thinks that this material is perfectly legal.
If anyone has a problem with me giving details on how to view this content all I can say is I deserve any shit you give me. but if you got a problem with me giving these details, I only assume you would also be upset that our noted adult biz attorney Mr. Sirkin is DEFENDING this content as perfectly legal.
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#369312 - 10/23/08 08:58 PM
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Or you could have just Linked to the DOJ press release. They don't state which statutes were violated, either. While the Third Circuit has ruled that depictions clothed children violate federal law if they constitute "lascivious exhibitions of the genitalia or pubic area," the question is whether or not the Webe Web pictures are "lascivious." Sounds to me this is exactly the kind of case a First Amendment lawyer should be taking. I also find it funny as fuck that the Webe Web case inspired legislation banning child modeling web sites from that noted protector of children, Mark Foley.
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#369313 - 10/23/08 09:20 PM
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The Mark Foley connection is classic political bullshit.
And yes, this is exactly a case for a first amendment lawyer, but not one with such a high profile defending legit adult porn. The ADULT biz has a hard enough time seperating itself from the underground world of CP.
Lousirkin defends max hardcore.
Lou Sirkin defends john stagliano
Lou Sirkin defends CHILDSUPERMODELS .com
For the adult biz to be associated with sites like this is not good for the legit adult industry.
As a voice for the adult biz, which Sirkin certainly is, it does the legit adult biz no favors for him to say that this exploitaion of children should be protected in the same way that ADULT content is protected. Mr. Sirkin is a "voice" of this industry, and when he says this content should be legal it is not good for the industry. He should have refused to take this case. There are plenty of lawyers who could defend these guys who do not have connections to the legit adult biz.
What does it say about the adult biz whern one of its most high profile attorneys defends the sexual exploitaion of children. I think it sends a very bad message, and it makes me question whether or not the legit adult industry is really that interested in stopping the exploitaion of children.
oops, Mr. Sirkin is not defending the exploitaion of children, he is defending someone accused of sexually exploiting children.
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#369314 - 10/23/08 09:49 PM
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The ADULT biz has a hard enough time seperating itself from the underground world of CP.
But, You yourself said that "Childsupermodels.com has no nudity, and has NOT been called "child porn."
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Lou Sirkin defends max hardcore.
Lou Sirkin defends john stagliano
Lou Sirkin defends CHILDSUPERMODELS .com
For the adult biz to be associated with sites like this is not good for the legit adult industry.
Lou Sirkin is a First Amendment lawyer. Who do you want them to call, Anita Cannibal?
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As a voice for the adult biz, which Sirkin certainly is, it does the legit adult biz no favors for him to say that this exploitaion of children should be protected in the same way that ADULT content is protected. Mr. Sirkin is a "voice" of this industry, and when he says this content should be legal it is not good for the industry. He should have refused to take this case. There are plenty of lawyers who could defend these guys who do not have connections to the legit adult biz.
See Michael's post HERE.
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What does it say about the adult biz whern one of its most high profile attorneys defends the sexual exploitaion of children.
See Freestylah's post HERE.
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#369315 - 10/23/08 10:03 PM
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Jim, you of al people here certainly must see the what I am trying to get at here. Of course anyone accused of a crime has the right to counsel. But, as pornlaw stated, an attorney is not required to take a case.
When Sirkin took this case the line between adult content and content containing the sexual exploitaion of children is blurred, if not comppletely erased. The same high profile lawyer defending the content of max and stagliano is saying that content with children should be protected in the same way. It is just not good for the adult industry to have our most famous attorney argue to the courts and to the public that content with children is no different than content with adults.
How can anyone in this biz say that they oppose the exploitation of children, when the top industry lawyer says this content should be protected. It just doesnt pass the smell test. You are either for this or against it. There is no middle ground.
Of course they have the right to counsel. Mr. Sirkin should have used better judgement and disct
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#369316 - 10/23/08 10:19 PM
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But, as pornlaw stated, an attorney is not required to take a case.
As he also stated:
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I will never moralize my clients.
Sorry I cannot support your position.
I would also remind you that John Adams defended the British Soldiers indicted for murder after the Boston Massacre, knowing full well that an acquittal might set back the Patriot cause (not to mention his own standing therein.) Mostly, he took the case because he felt they hadn't committed a crime. Mostly, the jury agreed with him.
But, clearly, you have your own agenda, and no amount of reasoning by anyone on this board is going to dissuade you from your crusade. I'm not sure what that crusade is, but I suspect it has nothing to do with child porn and everything to do with Sirkin personally.
Good luck.
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#369319 - 10/24/08 01:54 AM
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Well, if there's no nudity, and they all have parental consent, then I don't really see there being much of a case. Are the children being exploited? Absolutely, but anyone who owns a pair of sneakers or sportswear can hardly get on their high horse about child exploitation. Is it 'creepy'? Again, yes...but then so is Anne Geddes stuff if you ask me, and that's about as mainstream as you can get. I've no doubt that the FBI woud love to get their hands on the memberlist for a site like this, simply because it is probably made up of the same creepy fucks who attend/promote these child beauty paegents and it would be an invaluable reference when the next 'JonBenet' case rolls around. I was fortunate enough to be present at a lecture from a titled member of the aristocracy who also practices law over here, and there is one line that has stuck with me ever since: 'There is what is right, there is what is just, there is what is proper, fair, and moral...and then there is what is legal'. Even though there is no nudity or sexual content on this site, it's a fair bet that someone is sat at home jerking/jilling off to it. But that doesn't make it illegal. Should we ban Power Rangers or High School Musical because someone knocked one off the wrist while looking at it? And if yes, where do we stop? Whilst it's not my cup of tea, I see very little grounds to ban it...nobody is going to see anything they wouldn't see if they went to one of these paegents or to the beach or whatever other paedo hotspot. Indeed, it would appear to me that any offence or obscenity is purely in your own mind...it's like this 'Childsupermodel' site is a giant Rorschach test, and you failed it. 
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#369320 - 10/24/08 04:27 AM
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"....it's like this 'Childsupermodel' site is a giant Rorschach test, and you failed it." - Dan G.
Great stuff, Dan!
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#369321 - 10/24/08 06:32 AM
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It's certainly (small o) "obscene" in the moral, Jon Benet Ramsey sense of the term. But whether or not the statutes in question, or the Third Circuit's holding in the case above, have any constitutional merit is a question that rightly belongs before the Supreme Court. And for that, you need an attorney of Sirkin's caliber.
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#369322 - 10/24/08 07:39 AM
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I would also remind you that John Adams defended the British Soldiers indicted for murder after the Boston Massacre, knowing full well that an acquittal might set back the Patriot cause (not to mention his own standing therein.) Mostly, he took the case because he felt they hadn't committed a crime. Mostly, the jury agreed with him.
Excellent point, well played...
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