Posted by: Gunker
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At no point, did the Enron traders ask themselves "is what I'm doing ethical?"
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Coke is fucking pathetic defending these douchebags because of his 'libertarian' politics.
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"'pennies' in loses", "loses we've hads under reganomics"
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it's self
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white color crime
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military budget, bailouts, every rightwing quagmire we've slowly been sinking into since start of the eighties
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eroded freedom
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freedom as the right to demand the right to work 16 hours a day for poverty wages and to call anyone that was opposed to such a thing as a communist
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kick a libertarian's fucking teeth out today, it's the only thing we can do to retrieve a tiny fraction of the freedom that's been eroded today...
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^^^ Before the governments attempt to monopolize charity in this country, there were plenty of mutual aid societies that helped people. There are still are a lot of privately run food banks and other charities despite the governments best efforts to run them out of business.
Just because you're a liberal progressive Chuck, should I assume you would take that to the extreme of full blown communism? Then why must you assume that every Libertarian wants full blown anarchy?
I don't go far enough down the Libertarian line for anarchy. What I would like to see are those things you mentioned run by private industry (again) with government oversight only. Let private enterprise make these things less expensive to operate and reduce our need for a bloated federal bureaucracy that costs tax payers more and more every year as fewer and fewer people are paying in.
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Socialism is not the aim of the progressive movement
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Ha! Coke thinks it takes an unobtainable utopia to manage to let everyone live a decent life in a capitalistic society. Is this the basis of all the hate, a fear that there isn't enough material wealth to go around?
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@ Chuck
And just how well has the government run Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid so far? Are they all not facing financial trouble? You're right it is societies responsibility to help people, but not the governments. I'm not saying we should necessarily defund these things, only allow private enterprise to lower the costs of operating them.
I can't see why anyone would be against making something operate more efficiently and cost less money. Go to reason.tv and check out the videos of how charter schools are making a real difference to Oakland and Cleavland inner city students, it's amazing.
Liberal Progressivism leads to socialism/communism, while Conservative Progressivism leads to fascism. Both communism and fascism lead to totalitarianism. Libertarianism leads to anarchy (no government at all). As I said Chuck, these are not absolutes only the slippery slopes on which these ideologies sit. If you think Libertarianism is about uncontrolled greed, then you don't really know anything about it.
For me it's about transparency / accountability of government, shouldering your own responsibilities, and allowing the private sector to generate enough wealth to pay for the costs of government. Without that wealth you have nothing at all. The more rules and regulations you pile on, the less these private enterprises make, the less money people who work for them make, and the less revenue the government receives as a result.
Although what is fueling our budget crisis is not a revenue problem but a spending problem. It didn't cut it's way into this crisis it spent it's way into this crisis. I noticed they had to steal from Social Security to help pay for Obamacare too. Do you still think politicians should be running it? No, entitlements themselves are not breaking the bank, yet, the waste in them, and all sectors of government, are. The problem is this waste is a systemic part of being run by the government. If you want to remove the waste you have to remove government control.
Every time I have to go to Malaysia I have to bring a bribe in order to do business there. Whether it's money or gifts, that's just the way it is. In America you just need to give the right candidate enough of a campaign contribution to get what you want. Is it the businesses fault for offering the money or the politicians fault for accepting?
Is a bigger more complicated and intrusive government, really better for our economy and our personal freedoms? The evidence so far says no and I'm not really willing to let us slip further down that rabbit hole to find out if it gets better, the bigger it gets. As far as I'm concerned big government has had it's shot at running things and has failed miserably. It's time for some real change.
What it comes down to is this, vote Democrat, if you want a bigger more intrusive government, vote Republican, if you want a bigger more intrusive government, or vote Libertarian if you want a smaller less intrusive government. As always the choice is yours and just that simple.
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Is it possible that we just start a Douche Bags Arguing Politics forum here? Separate from AWOP.
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yeah, let's destroy social security, let you southern boys work till you drop fucking dead...its what it's come to in this country where everythings been skewed so far to the right that you have been brain washed so bad that you literally SCREEEEEEAM for the right to work your self to death....all the while with all your capitalist masters who's ass you endlessly felch will use you until you're burned up and bled dry and then just ship your job to some country with people desperate enough to do the same work for 2 cents an hour at the age of 9 while inhaling lead fumes...... "rugged individualism, pull your selves up by your bootstraps, manifest destiny" horse shit it's the southern states that are literally propped up with federal money piped in non stop to keep your worthless shitstain states from dissolving into dystopian mad max-esque hell holes. If the south was given the right to succeed from the union it would deteriorate into a third world country in less than a year. you're actually sighting milton? bwahahaha, that's like a parody of a parody.....I'll be gladly sitting on my fat fucking ass in 5 years cashing a wellfare check while you can enjoy getting sand and shrapnel shoved up your ass in iraq war phase 4 for $16000 a year, enjoy your cardboard box under a bridge when you get home, cause amerika supp0rts it's trupes!!! ....But at least you got to kill some brown people and that makes it all worthwhile.