thinz still fucke'd

Posted by: MR WHIP

thinz still fucke'd - 12/29/08 03:22 PM

da'belladonna now wit'h troll

http://www.speiglergirls.com/html/belladonna.html

what'z "mainstream" means?? hollywood'?

her' dvd'z aren't selling? she shoul'd be hire top'h talent like cristian three ex and tone capon'e
Posted by: LouCypher

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/29/08 03:24 PM

^ New Rules test...
Posted by: TonyMalice

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/29/08 03:29 PM

Um, excuse me Belladonna, if you're trying to get mainstream work only, wouldn't it be best to be repped by a mainstream agency- not a porn agency?
Posted by: steveb

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 04:27 AM

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Um, excuse me Belladonna, if you're trying to get mainstream work only, wouldn't it be best to be repped by a mainstream agency- not a porn agency?


If she gets enough mainstream work then one will sign her.

If.

Someone's really going to break through and be both porn and mainstream one day. Might be her?
Posted by: Bon Vivant

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 05:53 AM

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Someone's really going to break through and be both porn and mainstream one day. Might be her?


No.

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Sasha Grey has broken through to the mainstream. Between a Steven Soderbergh movie, another Hollywood film (starring role) after that, American Apparel ads she is the most successful mainstream porn person in decades. She may not be household name now, but will be once the Soderbergh flick is released.
Posted by: backdoorman

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 06:00 AM

I'd much rather a mainstream to porn incident would happen. Say Sharon Stone loses her mainstream appeal and starts doing MILF dp vids. Now that would be entertaiment. I have no desire whatsoever for any pw to go mainstream. Destroys their appeal to me.
Posted by: Darrah

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 07:16 AM

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she is the most successful mainstream porn person in decades


You've got to be kidding? You've never heard of Traci Lords or Ginger Lynn? Traci Lords won a best actress award for her movie Chump Change, had a top selling techno album where her songs were featured in movies and commercials, was up for the role Sharon Stone had in Casino, was a Guess Jeans model, and worked along side many of the biggest actors in Hollywood. I don't know why so many in porn look down on Traci. It's because of her that the Sasha Grey's of porn can get their foot in the door in mainstream Hollywood. She's been a successful working mainstream actress for 22 years.



Posted by: Fiend

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 07:48 AM

I thought people in porn had some resentment towards traci lords because he set them up. She worked underage then went public with it after she turned 18 and shot one legal porn flick for a big payday while hanging out the people involved in her underage body of works to twist with the authorities.
Posted by: Charlie Malloy

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 08:11 AM

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Sasha Grey has broken through to the mainstream. Between a Steven Soderbergh movie, another Hollywood film (starring role) after that, American Apparel ads she is the most successful mainstream porn person in decades. She may not be household name now, but will be once the Soderbergh flick is released.



I agree. I'd say that based on the Soderbergh project alone she has now trumped all other crossover claimants and leaves them in the dust.

Traci Lords' role in "Cry Baby" was indie underground, particularly at the time though it looks influential now, and that's about as close as anyone else has come. In my opinion, crossover status should be based on actual major JOBS rather than the highly dubious "name recognition" factor, which leaves the other claimants with some film/tv roles as extras (read "streetwalkers") and their marriages to minor celebrities.

BTW, Traci's award was an HBO/Comedy Arts Festival award. While still an award, no one really knows or cares what it is. Her 1000 Fires cd was critically acclaimed, but didn't sell all that well. Andrea True was the first crossover disco star anyway, and she had legitimate hits, along with a porn career that lasted as long as Traci's.
Posted by: Darrah

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 08:16 AM

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I thought people in porn had some resentment towards traci lords because he set them up. She worked underage then went public with it after she turned 18 and shot one legal porn flick for a big payday while hanging out the people involved in her underage body of works to twist with the authorities.



Set them up? She lied about her age but so did many back then and even today. She wasn't the first. She was just the most famous underage star.

She never went public. Porners say she went to the FBI herself. But what do you expect them to say? She says the FBI had a file on her for three years. She was in porn for three years! The FBI don't arrest anyone right away after finding out information. They sometimes take years. Many people knew she was underage. Her family for starters. And a few others.

The scandal broke after that one movie of hers was done after she turned 18. But many in porn think it was this grande scheme of hers so she can sell it. She did sell it but was suppose to get back the master copy after I think 5 years. She never got it back. She spent many years and about a million dollars going to court trying to get back that master copy so she says she could burn and put her past behind her.

Many theories have floated around as to who tipped off the FBI. Traci, her family, the stepfather who brought her into Jim South's studio when she was 14, the boys at school who brought a porn magazine to school and asked her (Nora) if Traci Lords is really her, a rival porn star, a rival porn company, or MAYBE it was just the FBI all along.

Posted by: Darrah

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 08:22 AM

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In my opinion, crossover status should be based on actual major JOBS rather than the highly dubious "name recognition" factor


22 years of mainstream work in Hollywood on television, feature films, and behind the camera like directing doesn't count? And there is so much to Traci Lords than just Cry Baby. You people obviously don't watch much television or movies, do you.

Jenna Jameson is more mainstream than Sasha. I do see Sasha as possibly achieving stardom in Hollywood. But it's just wait and see.




Posted by: cqd

traci lords as director. - 12/30/08 08:36 AM

I was only able to find one instance of Traci Lords being credited as "director" of anything:

"Sweet Pea" (2005)

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You people obviously don't watch much television or movies, do you.



What television station aired her 11 minute directing effort?

EDIT: You can supposedly watch "Sweet Pea" here if anyone is interested.

I couldn't get it to work but that is not unusual for me when trying to access US based video services (like watching NBC or South Park online).
Posted by: Charlie Malloy

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 08:37 AM

Jenna now has ZERO chance of mainstream success, just like Victoria Beckham realized she wasn't going to be a Hollywood star after six short months in L.A. No one cares. Well, unless we can bring Wayland Flowers back from the dead.

Traci did her best. Sasha just trumped her.

Don't drink the Jenna-Aid.



Posted by: intheno

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 08:39 AM

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Someone's really going to break through and be both porn and mainstream one day. Might be her?


No.

Brought to you by Simple Answers to Simple Questions, Inc.

Sasha Grey has broken through to the mainstream. Between a Steven Soderbergh movie, another Hollywood film (starring role) after that, American Apparel ads she is the most successful mainstream porn person in decades. She may not be household name now, but will be once the Soderbergh flick is released.



I will wait for the reviews to come in before I jump on this bandwagon.
Posted by: Charlie Malloy

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 08:48 AM

This is definitely a smaller Soderbergh production, but one with major cache. Good reviews or not, it's a bigtime job. But I see your point.
Posted by: RenfieldGyps

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 09:02 AM

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Andrea True was the first crossover disco star anyway, and she had legitimate hits, along with a porn career that lasted as long as Traci's.

Wow talkabout a throwback, More, More More. Good call.
Posted by: Charlie Malloy

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 09:11 AM

Yep, a forgotten crossover "star" for sure.

Porn shots:
http://www.kayparker.net/product.php?menuid=&productid=760



Posted by: Darrah

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 09:47 AM

I'm not going to say anymore on this or else I'll get banned again due to the new rules. But I will say ask your mothers which porn stars they know of today that are active in Hollywood today by name and face. My mother knows by name and face, currently working in Hollywood, Traci Lords, Ginger Lynn, Mary Carey, and Ron Jeremy.



Posted by: Charlie Malloy

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 09:53 AM

We are discussing a topic, Darrah, so it is fine.

I mentioned above that, in my opinion, "name recognition" means nothing. Ron Jeremy, albeit a known personality, has the same name recognition factor as a serial killer. Despite all the "porn crossover" hype, virtually no one has made it out of the porn industry. They're all still known as whores, former whores, man whores, and worse. And that's the truth.
Posted by: cqd

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 10:02 AM

This doesn't fit into this discussion in a major way but I still think it'll be amusing for those who don't already know.

Ron Jeremy was in "Ghostbusters".
Posted by: Darrah

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 10:04 AM

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Despite all the "porn crossover" hype, virtually no one has made it out of the porn industry. They're all still known as whores, former whores, man whores, and worse. And that's the truth.


I've said in the past that I spent many years being active on many mainstream celebrity blogs and forums. Yes the porn stars that do make it on are called "whores" and they all have AIDS and worse things about Jenna Jameson's twins. She took down her Myspace pictures because of a couple Hollywood blogs were making fun of her and the twins. But the only porn star that gets treated nicely is Traci. Even when they announced she was pregnant, I was expecting the worst but the bloggers and even the comments section were 99% nice to Traci.


Posted by: *L*G*

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 11:30 AM

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she is the most successful mainstream porn person in decades


You've got to be kidding? You've never heard of Traci Lords or Ginger Lynn?








Sure... Ginger Lynn is drinking her own piss on wankus tv, That is definitely mainstream
Posted by: Uomo Grassissimo!!

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 11:57 AM

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But I will say ask your mothers which porn stars they know of today that are active in Hollywood today by name and face.



My mom wouldn't know any of them. She only knows Paris Hilton. The only pornstars she even possibly knows the name of are Linda Lovelace and Marilyn Chambers. She isn't much of a porn person but she's seen "Deep Throat" and "Devil in Miss Jones".



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But the only porn star that gets treated nicely is Traci.



Because she's considered an under-aged victim of the porn industry.





btw, I had no idea that the Andrea True of disco was the porn star. That is COOL!

Posted by: Charlie Malloy

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 12:05 PM

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My mom wouldn't know any of them. She only knows Paris Hilton. The only pornstars she even possibly knows the name of are Linda Lovelace and Marilyn Chambers. She isn't much of a porn person but she's seen "Deep Throat" and "Devil in Miss Jones"



Yeah, moms over 55 or 60 would generally only know Lovelace. And Chambers, if they can even recall the name. The younger moms would know many, many more, which is why we have more PWs today than ever. Yes, blame the moms.




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Because she's considered an under-aged victim of the porn industry.



Bullseye!



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btw, I had no idea that the Andrea True of disco was the porn star. That is COOL!





She seems to have been cut from the same cloth as Robin Byrd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTsTIS-8III


Posted by: superloads

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/30/08 11:52 PM

Katie Morgan was shooting an Indie down here in Palm Springs.

They even shot with Red ONE cameras.
Posted by: Uomo Grassissimo!!

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 07:04 AM

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Katie Morgan



::cough::washedup::cough::
Posted by: Darrah

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 03:17 PM

Wankus recently proclaimed: Katie Morgan is One of the ONLY REAL Crossover Stars in this Biz

Nothing against Katie. But she has not crossed over. And her being in Zack and Miri doesn't mean much when Traci Lords is the one who got most of the press. When Katie can carry a movie on her own and actually gets billing on the movie's poster, then maybe we'll talk.



Posted by: Uomo Grassissimo!!

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 04:07 PM

Fatman proclaims: Wankus seriously delusional.
Posted by: Darrah

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 04:17 PM

I have nothing against Katie or Sasha. I wish them the best in Hollywood and with all their new found fame. But you have to look at the past in your industry and give credit where credit is due. Traci Lords did a lot to make porn stars be accepted more in Hollywood. She took acting lessons, dance & vocal lessons and showed up on time and went to all the auditions. She said for years she got many call backs but quickly found out that many of those call backs were not real jobs and they just wanted to meet Traci Lords. But she still persisted. While the director of Jenna Jameson's movie Zombie Strippers said Jenna would not show up at all for readings, run-throughs, and rehearsals. She only showed up on the day of filming. Jenna is suppose to be the "Queen of Porn" but she is shining a bad light on porn stars who want to work in mainstream Hollywood.

Here is the rest of what Wankus said: www.adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=30851

Here is the director of Zombie Strippers talking about Jenna. He praises her but he had to because he was promoting the DVD release: www.mrskin.com

Posted by: Uomo Grassissimo!!

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 04:38 PM

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Traci Lords did a lot to make porn stars be accepted more in Hollywood.



No, SD. Every time Traci is anywhere they say, "She's the under-aged girl the porn industry abused." She helps no porn star. She's used an example of porn's worst.

There is no direct path from Traci to any porn person getting a mainstream chance.

More likely, Sasha owes more of her breaks to the likes of Jenna and, IMO, to Howard Stern and the internet mainstreaming porn. The price may be overcoming Jenna baggage. But, who knows? Little Sasha might create a bit of her own for the next flavor of the month to overcome.
Posted by: Darrah

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 04:56 PM

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Traci Lords did a lot to make porn stars be accepted more in Hollywood.



No, SD. Every time Traci is anywhere they say, "She's the under-aged girl the porn industry abused." She helps no porn star. She's used an example of porn's worst.

There is no direct path from Traci to any porn person getting a mainstream chance.

More likely, Sasha owes more of her breaks to the likes of Jenna and, IMO, to Howard Stern and the internet mainstreaming porn. The price may be overcoming Jenna baggage. But, who knows? Little Sasha might create a bit of her own for the next flavor of the month to overcome.


I don't think I have ever heard Traci say the industry abused her. People before she got into porn, yes they abused her. But I have seen interviews with Traci saying no one ever put a gun to her head when she started doing porn. That she hated being poor, needed the money, was young, and was a drug addict. That's pretty much a large percentage of the women in porn today.

Unlike Jenna who does pity-party interviews and how she was forced to get implants and everything else that went wrong for her in porn. I saw this anti-porn Myspace page and they had a blog in it and it said how Jenna Jameson was the biggest spokesperson against porn. They took many quotes from her book and others from other interviews. But it was about 25 or so things Jenna had said and it's far worse than anything Traci Lords has ever said against porn. Sasha's two movies aren't even out yet and you guys think she's more mainstream than Traci who has a 22 year long mainstream Hollywood career. You're comparing Sasha's American Apparel ad while Traci was in a Guess Jeans print and national television campaign with actress Juliette Lewis. Guess Jeans trumps American Apparel any day.

As I said before, I have nothing against Sasha or Katie. But it's all you guys putting down Traci's accomplishments when she is by far the most successful former/porn star in Hollywood. The woman won an acting award and you guys think it's no big deal. A FORMER/PORN STAR won an ACTING award. Name anyone else who has?? She's had her songs featured in major motion pictures and television commercials. For fucks sake!! What does a woman have to do around here to get noticed??


Posted by: cqd

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 05:11 PM

I think you might not be taking into account that if she does want to get noticed it isn't as a former under age porn star.

Her post-porn career has been cultivated in a way that does not draw attention to her porn past.

Also I think the fact that nearly all of her movies are illegal makes it difficult for most folks to equate her current career with when she was a porn star. Nobody has seen it so she doesn't get recognition for it.

She is famous for doing under age porn which nobody in North America is allowed to own.

Being an underage porn star makes you noteworthy but clearly doesn't catapult you to fame stardom and success.

I hope you see my point.



Posted by: Uomo Grassissimo!!

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 05:25 PM

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I don't think I have ever heard Traci say the industry abused her.



Darrah. Sit down. Listen.

IT'S NOT TRACI WHO SAYS IT, IT'S EVERYBODY ELSE!!! Some with a grudge against porn. Some because it makes it titillating. Some because it's interesting trivia. But, most because that was the government's stance when they were going after the porn producers, so that's what the media reported.

You seem to be the only one not to get it. Many people don't like porn and pornstars. The ONLY reason Traci is accepted to any degree she's accepted by those people at that time is that she was [AND is] the postergirl for porn victimhood.

She's not an ex-porn star. Her porn days were "annulled" by her being "tricked by the porn industry". The fact that that might not be fact doesn't matter. It's been accepted as fact. QED.

I am NOT saying that Traci asked for this, wanted it or condones it. But, it exists and she has benefited from it.



Bottomline, I see no evidence of Traci Lords opening any doors for anyone.

Credit Ginger Lynn and Veronica Hart for things like "Cleo/Leo". Hell, even Lil Cinderella for her druggie role in "Boogie Nights". The softcore actresses of the early 90s going lezzie hardcore, like Jacqueline Lovell and Lorissa McComas, which made it easier for real hardcore actors and actresses to get Cinemax roles in this century, and thus make a path to some kind of mainstream. There are many examples.



But, not Traci. Her path was unique. And, god bless her, she made the most of it.
Posted by: pretty

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 05:31 PM

please
what sashas done already surpasses anything anyone else has as far as mainstream goes- i dont care that jennas way richer or traci was on a tv show
its a fuckin academy award winning directors film fer chrissakes
thats a big fucking deal
shes the shit
and the girl with the most cake
fer sure

Posted by: Darrah

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 05:32 PM

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I think you might not be taking into account that if she does want to get noticed it isn't as a former under age porn star.

Her post-porn career has been cultivated in a way that does not draw attention to her porn past.

Also I think the fact that nearly all of her movies are illegal makes it difficult for most folks to equate her current career with when she was a porn star. Nobody has seen it so she doesn't get recognition for it.

She is famous for doing under age porn which nobody in North America is allowed to own.

Being an underage porn star makes you noteworthy but clearly doesn't catapult you to fame stardom and success.

I hope you see my point.







I saw her in an interview and she said something bigger has to happen in her life for the tag "former porn star" to no longer attributed to her. After porn she was getting modeling gigs but was almost sued by one when they found out who she really was. She was using a different name. They were going to sue her for fraud. So she kept the name Traci Lords, now her legal name, and said she's not hiding from her past.

I read an interview of hers and she said she and her husband, at the time, were literally run out of their neighborhood after the neighbors found out she had done porn before. Probably a bunch of jelous housewives. But porn will always follow her. She had to leave her home because people hated her for doing porn. Though she was 14 when she first started in the adult industry.

She was one of the top porn stars back then. So she was popular in her own right. If now the only reason why she is popular and still gets work is because she was an underage porn star, that novelty would have worn out 20 years ago. And if Cry Baby is the only reason why she is still getting work today, that novelty would have worn out 15 years ago. She must have something to still be getting work .... like talent. She's not Meryl Streep but so aren't 99% of the rest of Hollywood.

SHE WAS 14. Can any of you not see that?? Why such hate for a woman who was brought into porn by her stepfather? Jim South, who was put on trial because of Traci, says her stepfather brought her in to his studio and told Jim I'll get her into porn movies soon. Have you no compasion? She's didn't kill anyone or abuse anyone. Max fucking Hardcore gets more love on this board than a former porn star who was brought in when she was 14. She wasn't the only underage girl in porn and isn't the last. She was just the most famous underage star.

Posted by: Darrah

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 05:36 PM

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is that she was [AND is] the postergirl for porn victimhood.



Isn't that Linda Lovelace?



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She's not an ex-porn star.



Then why is she still named as one of the best performers in porn and listed in the top 5 of top porn stars in history?


Posted by: Darrah

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 05:40 PM

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please
what sashas done already surpasses anything anyone else has as far as mainstream goes- i dont care that jennas way richer or traci was on a tv show
its a fuckin academy award winning directors film fer chrissakes
thats a big fucking deal
shes the shit
and the girl with the most cake
fer sure





Steven Soderbergh hasn't been relevant in years. For all we know, this movie might go straight to DVD. While Traci has worked alongside some of the biggest names in Hollywood history on television and feature films. Sasha's two movies aren't even out yet and you guys think a 22 year long Hollywood mainstream career means nothing that includes an acting award, top selling album, and best selling book.




Posted by: Fiend

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 05:40 PM

Traci Lords porn movies are still in circulation on the net. Clips constantly show up on the porn tube sites and most of movies are almost always up on usenet binary groups and out on the P2P networks. I never looked but I bet they are also out on the torrent sites. So people are still seeing them and know her for porn. Some people might not realize her age in those films but they are still out there if not exactly in the mainstream but the teenaged and early 20s bracket of porn hounds are finding the stuff.
Posted by: Uomo Grassissimo!!

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 05:45 PM

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Why such hate for a woman who was brought into porn by her stepfather?



What I see here is not HATE. It's honesty about her lack of impact on getting porn actresses mainstream.

There just isn't a path from her. She did NOTHING to blaze the way for any of the stars. NOTHING.

I'm sure there are those in porn who might be angry at Traci. Her lying, whether or not she was put up to it by her stepfather, caused many of them to lose money and to be imperiled by the Justice System. I'm sure most did not willfully, intentionally employ an under-aged actress. There is too much to lose and NOTHING to gain.

If I were say, Suze Randall, I'd be pissed. But, knowing the Randalls, they have nice-nice things to say the whole thing. Hell, they might even have had nice-nice things to say about if filming Traci, who she had every reason to think was legal, had put Holly's mom in jail.
Posted by: Darrah

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 05:51 PM

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I'm sure there are those in porn who might be angry at Traci. Her lying, whether or not she was put up to it by her stepfather, caused many of them to lose money and to be imperiled by the Justice System. I'm sure most did not willfully, intentionally employ an under-aged actress. There is too much to lose and NOTHING to gain.


Blame the government for that, not her. They were hell bent on destroying the industry. Traci didn't get into porn wanting to destroy it. The FBI found out that one of porn's biggest stars is underage and they went in. That's not really Traci. That's the government's witch hunt. The ones who were arrested were all acquitted because the point used was if she could lie to the government about her age by having a passport, then how would the porn industry know how old she really was. The only one convicted was someone who knowingly sold now labeled "child porn" and repackaged it and sold it after the scandal broke.



Posted by: Charlie Malloy

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 05:56 PM

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Steven Soderbergh hasn't been relevant in years. For all we know, this movie might go straight to DVD.




WHAT?! Seriously, you are in way over your head on this subject. Even Harvey Levin and his roving army of ex-Santa Monica Blvd. male hustlers know that isn't true.

And now, thank the Lord, off to land.

Posted by: Uomo Grassissimo!!

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 05:57 PM

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is that she was [AND is] the postergirl for porn victimhood.


Isn't that Linda Lovelace?



No. Few people believed Linda's crap. And, less remember her porn denial phase. She's been dead forever, and she doesn't have the cachet of the underaged victim



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She's not an ex-porn star.


Then why is she still named as one of the best performers in porn and listed in the top 5 of top porn stars in history?



In the mainstream, when people talk about her, she's a victim, not a pornstar. They don't watch films. They don't rate pornos. Porn STILL isn't that mainstream.

I doubt my brother, who's two years younger and doesn't watch porn, even knows who Jenna Jameson IS. Forget Sasha Grey.

I find that rating interesting ...

Either it's guys over 45 voting or someone got a lot of explaining to do. Except for "Traci, I Love You" - which SUCKED, btw - her films have been off the shelves for 20 years.


I never even got to see her in "New Wave Hookers".

Posted by: Darrah

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 06:11 PM

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I doubt my brother, who's two years younger and doesn't watch porn, even knows who Jenna Jameson IS. Forget Sasha Grey.


I've always said Jenna is highly overrated. She's not as famous as she thinks she is. She just had great handlers around her and Jay's money which made a mountain out of a molehill.

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I never even got to see her in "New Wave Hookers".





Traci dated Slash but they never had sex. He said she broke up with him after going to his place and he and his friend were wasted and his friend waved a copy of that movie in her face saying "That's you isn't it?". She left and he never saw her again. www.starpulse.com

I'm going to make something to eat now and check out who is on tonight's New Year's shows and which channels will air it. So don't think me not replying back means you've won. It means I'm hungry.


Posted by: Uomo Grassissimo!!

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 06:14 PM

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Blame the government for that, not her.



I'm not blaming her. I don't care. I'm telling you honestly what the perception is and you're trying to change public opinion by arguing with me.

People get blamed for things they didn't do. Porn producers are still believed by many to be the people who duped her into porn. YOU don't seem to find that a problem, though you are 100% sure it's her stepdad's doing.

But the government only went after the porn guys ... so it leaves an lasting impression.

And, as Devil's Advocate, I don't recall her saying "I'm sorry about lying about my age, porn people. It's not your fault I was in your movie" at the time they were hounded by the government. So, people who were in the industry might just have it in their heads that she sold out her interests at their expense. Could you blame them?

They are closer to it and were the ones imperiled. She was with them every day, being nice-nice and friendly and came close to having her secret landing all of them in jail for a mighty long time.

Right now, had there been convictions, Suze Randall would be a registered sex offender, IF she were allowed to even stay in this country.

So, I can see why porn people might hate her.

Honestly, if I were she, I likely would have done no different. BUT, I would have understood why some people might find that problematic.

I can't see why you don't.

Posted by: Uomo Grassissimo!!

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 06:16 PM

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So don't think me not replying back means you've won.



As long as your response isn't just "the finger", there are no winners. The Discussion goes on and on ....



Posted by: the unknown pervert

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 06:36 PM

Well if an authority on making it in Hollywood like Wankus says it, that's good enough for me.
Posted by: Uomo Grassissimo!!

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 07:10 PM

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I am just making a nice, polite point, and I do not want to be banned. But, this whole thread is the Darrah Thread.



Your point being, what?

She's not allowed an opinion or we're not allowed to disagree with it?

No one is fighting with Stinky Dicks just to be difficult. Which is the pronouncement to which I think you might be referring.

She's having several arguments with several of us. [but, today mostly with me] Don't like it, there are many other sections and threads.



Panzer's got info some 8Gb card that a steal in "AWOP".

Enjoy!

Posted by: Fiend

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 07:57 PM

The point of the new rules is that we don't argue with darrah about her presence here on the forums and turn every thread into a name calling mess directed at her specifically. We can still argue/debate with her on the topics at hand. We should still be able to put down her opinions as long as we back it up with a reason and not for the sole purpose of personally attacking her. Believe me I know that is very hard to do. We can all still spit venom in the cage, at least to my interpretation of things, as long as we keep the rest of the forums relatively orderly. Then again I might be wrong and I could get banned....big whoop. If thats the case then Darrah, Gia, Brandon/alts, and Gia's little cadre of sycophants can wax intellectual over unicorns and rainbow's all by themselves. I'll just spend more time on the other boards I frequent.
Posted by: Uomo Grassissimo!!

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 08:02 PM

And you want ME to cry for you when you have Hamels calling my "Stem-s" names in your sig?





I'm sorry people picked on you.

I don't see why Stinky Dicks should get banned.

But, then again, I'm not a moderator here. In all honesty, I'd be a poor one. I don't ban. It would takes a lot more than the stuff that bothers Gia, etc., to get me to ban someone.

Short of just being a plain unrepentant nuance or spammer [or unwarranted attacks the owner, PHLOG! If you're lurking on your "anniversary"], I cannot support bans. Any bans.

It was about a year ago, I guess when my protests against a ban Monstar made helped bring Monkey out from wherever he hides [Ceara's hamper is my guess, or maybe that's where I go].

Monkey threw his feces everywhere. The end result, not one but two mods bit the dust, which was sad because I like Monstar. [Chico, not so much].



So, you're not going to get any support from me on a "banning".



Now ... if you're lobbying about putting a certain someone in the Phlog Box .. well that's
Posted by: superloads

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 12/31/08 11:17 PM

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please
what sashas done already surpasses anything anyone else has as far as mainstream goes- i dont care that jennas way richer or traci was on a tv show
its a fuckin academy award winning directors film fer chrissakes
thats a big fucking deal
shes the shit
and the girl with the most cake
fer sure





Steven Soderbergh hasn't been relevant in years. For all we know, this movie might go straight to DVD. While Traci has worked alongside some of the biggest names in Hollywood history on television and feature films. Sasha's two movies aren't even out yet and you guys think a 22 year long Hollywood mainstream career means nothing that includes an acting award, top selling album, and best selling book.








Wienstien thinks he is relevant enough to greenlight those "Ocean's" flix, which, combined with Mega A-List talent, still gross way more than they party with.

You're a dumbfuck of epic proportions, and I'm being generous with that.
Posted by: Uomo Grassissimo!!

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/01/09 03:22 PM

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I have touched up my signature, but just fucking hate the Mets.



No need to change the sig. My Stem-s have choked the past two years. That a fact.
Posted by: Dean Wormer

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/01/09 03:35 PM

Mets didn't choke. They just never had the relief pitching to become a champion of any sort.
Posted by: Darrah

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/02/09 05:15 AM

Disregard Jenna Jameson as number two because that's a fucking load of horse shit. How the fucking hell can that overrated cow be better than John Holmes? Fucking psychos! What has she ever done for porn?? Religious groups credit Jenna Jameson as the biggest spokesperson against porn. And disregard Ron Jeremy as number one because fuck anyone that thinks he's better and did more for porn than John fucking Holmes!

AVN's editorial staff:

www.pornstaremart.com/-/avn_top_porn_stars.html


Posted by: tattypatty

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/02/09 10:53 AM

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I never even got to see her in "New Wave Hookers".




Your loss, good sir. Even without her scene, it's still a must-watch for any porn fan. The Dark Brothers were the real fucking deal. BTW, i 'heard' that all of her films are easy to find via file-sharing sites. I mean, that's what I heard...
Posted by: Smokey

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/02/09 11:21 AM

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Disregard Jenna Jameson as number two because that's a fucking load of horse shit. How the fucking hell can that overrated cow be better than John Holmes? Fucking psychos! What has she ever done for porn?? Religious groups credit Jenna Jameson as the biggest spokesperson against porn. And disregard Ron Jeremy as number one because fuck anyone that thinks he's better and did more for porn than John fucking Holmes!

AVN's editorial staff:

www.pornstaremart.com/-/avn_top_porn_stars.html






OH MY FUCKING GOD PLEASE JUST KILL YOURSELF!!!

How can you say Jenna J. isn't among the top 5 whores? I'm not a big fan of hers, but to say she is/was not relevant is just fucking stupid.

John Holmes? Yeah, he was great. Him and his huge AIDS dick did lots for porn, right.

Disregard the hedgehog? You mean, one of the only actual pornstars to cross over into "mainstream"? Granted, it is on cheesy shows an VH1, but it's far more than some whores who claim to be mainstream crossovers can say.

God damn, new rules or not, you suck Dargamel. I dont want you to be banned because banning people on a message board is uber gay. I just want you to catch some of what Mr. Holmes had.
Posted by: Dick Dastardly

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/02/09 11:58 AM

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The scandal broke after that one movie of hers was done after she turned 18. But many in porn think it was this grande scheme of hers so she can sell it. She did sell it but was suppose to get back the master copy after I think 5 years. She never got it back. She spent many years and about a million dollars going to court trying to get back that master copy so she says she could burn and put her past behind her.



Karma is a deceiptful cunt, isn't it?

For what she did, and the secrets she withheld, she doesn't deserve to have any of it back. I'm glad she spent her "bukkake money" on court costs, fuck her.

If the production companies were willfully filming her, that's their burden.
Posted by: Dick Dastardly

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/02/09 12:09 PM

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What does a woman have to do around here to get noticed??



I will counter your question with an equally chauvinist answer:

Shut her mouth, get in bed, and spread her legs.

Thank you.

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I saw her in an interview and she said something bigger has to happen in her life for the tag "former porn star" to no longer attributed to her.



Once a porn whore, always a porn whore. The sooner you realize that, the better off you'll be. That is why many of them are making the best of it by adopting sugar daddies to ensure their financial status down the road.
Posted by: Uomo Grassissimo!!

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/02/09 12:10 PM

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How can you say Jenna J. isn't among the top 5 whores?



Impact, sure. But, she's not on my top porn lists. I avoid her titles. I have very few of her scenes - only those on full movies I collected for other.

I can't stand her.



Top plastic skank? Yes.
Posted by: Smokey

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/02/09 12:40 PM

Fatty, I dont disagree. As I said, I'm not a fan. But if you are looking at an unbiased list of top earning or top known porn whores, JJ is top 5.
Posted by: Uomo Grassissimo!!

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/02/09 01:06 PM

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top earning or top known porn whores, JJ is top 5



Most def.
Posted by: Donny 4 gay privates

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/02/09 03:03 PM

It's Weintraub.

And this will be watched by as many people as Full Frontal and Bubble. Soderbergh hasn't been worth a pinch of shit for years. Since Traffic, he's stinking it up as bad as he did after Sex Lies and Videotape.
Posted by: Charlie Malloy

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/02/09 03:36 PM

The Soderbergh film, THE GIRLFRIEND EXPERIENCE, is intended from the get-go to not be seen by many--it's a low-budget art film, not OCEANS ELEVEN or even TRAFFIC. It's not going to bomb because it's not going to be shown in malls in New Jersey on date night. This kind of role is a very smart way to break into serious film work, but it's not going to get you in THE MUMMY. If she can carry her weight and gets some decent reviews, it's more of a plus.
Posted by: Darrah

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/03/09 01:37 AM

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Fatty, I dont disagree. As I said, I'm not a fan. But if you are looking at an unbiased list of top earning or top known porn whores, JJ is top 5.


The list is not about top earning. And she made most of her money after meeting Jay when he spent his own money starting and running ClubJenna. It's top porn stars of all time.

Posted by: superloads

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/03/09 01:52 AM

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It's Weintraub.

And this will be watched by as many people as Full Frontal and Bubble. Soderbergh hasn't been worth a pinch of shit for years. Since Traffic, he's stinking it up as bad as he did after Sex Lies and Videotape.



Correct that it's Weintraub. The "Oceans" flix keep all 7 of his pools heated here in Palm Springs.

"The GFE Experience" has a list of nobody's on the cast, outside of Grey. This is pure art house, straight to video shit. Marc Cuban will have spent more money paying fines to the NBA about the refs during Laker games than he will on this dog. But that doesn't make Soderbergh irrelevant. The guy directed Julia Roberts to an Oscar. He has his name attached to all kinds of projects as a producer in Hollywood. He has enough juice to at least convince a neophyte like Cuban that he can cast Grey in this flick.

This flick isn't "Titanic". Soderbergh sandwiched this flick between his A-List projects, with Matt Damon as his lead in one, and his other "passion projects" like "Che", with Del Toro.

I guess somebody is gonna tell me that John Sayles hasn't done shit since "Matewan".

Posted by: The Ghost Is Toast

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/03/09 07:35 AM

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This kind of role is a very smart way to break into serious film work, but it's not going to get you in THE MUMMY.



You say that like it's a bad thing...Sommers is another director who came out the gate strong and then tailed off hard with the help of an over-reliance on substandard CGI. May God save him from the fanboy rage if he fucks up that G.I. Joe movie...
Posted by: Uomo Grassissimo!!

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/03/09 12:56 PM

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It's top porn stars of all time.



No. You seem to be saying that it's the TOP EARNING porn stars of all-time.

While McDonald's may be the best selling hamburger and Pizza Hut or Papa John's or Domino's may sell the most 'zas, NEITHER is the best of their genre. Just, the one that earned the most cash.

And, just as a pizza connoisseur would VOMIT at the slightest taste of a Papa John pizza, so a true porn aficionado VOMITS at the mere mention of Jenna Jameson.



<< Me, when Jenna Jameson is mentioned.
Posted by: tattypatty

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/03/09 03:43 PM

I don't know why y'all hate on Jenna so much. While she's far from my fave, she's was still pretty attractive in her heyday. You gotta remember that she was just coming in to the biz post Savannah etc. Gonzo wasn't in full swing yet. Jenna was taking loads in the face and getting banged hard in a time when you had girls like Janine making vids that were barely hardcore. Nikki Tyler? Sexy, yes; over-the-top dirty, no. Women of Jenna's calibre weren't doing double-anal at the time. Lots of my faves as a young man (Christy Canyon et al.) were doing the same kind of stuff sexually that Jenna was, if not less.
Posted by: Charlie Malloy

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/03/09 07:42 PM

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You say that like it's a bad thing...Sommers is another director who came out the gate strong and then tailed off hard with the help of an over-reliance on substandard CGI. May God save him from the fanboy rage if he fucks up that G.I. Joe movie...



Actually, I just used THE MUMMY as an example of a big-budget, mainstream blockbuster film that could make a newcomer a "movie star." And, yes, I admit it is snobbish of me, but I have no interest in that stuff, but I didn't mean to disparage it.

THE GIRLFRIEND EXPERIENCE, on the other hand, is the kind of project that ANY serious actor or aspiring movie star would be very, very fortunate to get a major role in. (THE MUMMY is also the sort of movie any serious actor would be happy to collect a paycheck to be in.) The Soderbergh project could be a real career builder in an area of film acting that I think Sasha is interested in. My only real point is that the trend to play it down by saying no one will see it, or no other names are in it, or it will go straight to video is really unfair, particularly considering where she is coming from.

I think the deal Soderbergh has with Cuban is for a bunch of indie projects that will debut simultaneously in limited theatrical release, on the web and on cable. Regardless where this film goes, she should be rightfully proud to have been chosen for it.
Posted by: k1ng

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/03/09 11:37 PM

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I don't know why y'all hate on Jenna so much.



hate is what we do. is this a surprise for you?
Posted by: Smokey

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/03/09 11:50 PM

What's this we shit G? Who you speaking fo'??

Haha got you back bitch!
Posted by: k1ng

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/04/09 12:24 AM

it's cute that you were so butthurt by my post that you've been lurking and waiting for the first time I used the word "we" so you could respond. it's a shame your ebonics was a complete fail though, "G". I'll give you a second chance, a 20 sec TO, change your depends and corral the neighboring hoveround crew for backup. ok? go!
Posted by: The Ghost Is Toast

Re: thinz still fucke'd - 01/04/09 03:30 AM

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Regardless where this film goes, she should be rightfully proud to have been chosen for it.



Agreed in principle, but I'm going to wait until I've seen it before I make my mind up one way or the other. Isn't Sasha in some low budget indie horror film as well?